Are There Really a Thousand Needles? | World of Warcraft

[@n1kryb_914]

According to lore, it would take weeks to cross that location (such as was described in Traveller), so what we see in game is probably irrelevant)) But I love the dedication

[@TOXINZ2]

Yeah I would think the ingame rendering of the world, each Zone is like 1/1000th the size they truly mean it to be especially if they are trying to match the size of Azeroth in comparison to Earth.

[@Owl_Knight98]

Yeah. I got my DnD groups in a realistic scaled Azeroth. It's a lot of fun

[@kreaturekie6753]

You missed the part where he said in the gameYou missed the part where he said in the game MM o's don't give a c*** about your Lore they throw it out the window

[@Neizwiestny]

@@Owl_Knight98sounds so fun

[@TOXINZ2]

@@Owl_Knight98dude I would LOVE to do a DnD campaign set in WoW with that size scale!!! Really for me any DnD set in WoW would be awesome!

[@АндрейСеребряков-р7ы]

Count how many mushrooms in zangramash next

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, there would be a lot!

[@CoNteMpTone]

Its 13.702 mushroom doodads in the code for that area.

[@DIEGhostfish]

I have always considered that the game is scaled down, and there are indeed at LEAST a thousand in the "real" place.

[@Quick-Silver206]

SAME. In my headcanon, Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdom are like the size of North America.

[@NostraDavid2]

Warcraft always played fast and loose with scale - units being 1/4th the size of a building is not exactly accurate in Warcraft 1.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@Frayfeather Dragonriding means that the dragonnisles are the least scaled-down part of WoW.

[@el.chill.4]

I mean this becomes immediately apparnt when you watch any kind of cinematic media of WoW, be it the movie or expansion trailers. Nagrand is a huge expanse where you can spot a tree every thousand miles, Stormwind is a colossal city with hundreds of houses and Dranosh Pass (Orgrimmar's gate) is at least twice the size of what we see in-game

[@davidmartensson273]

@@FrayfeatherOn the other hand, especially the early zones when you first play the game feels a lot bigger than they are, at least if you focus on the quests and such as it takes quite a while to map the full zone, in vanilla, classic and BC that is, in the later expansions they shrink very fast with more gryphons and horses earlier and also much faster leveling so that you rush through zones like they are mere bumps in the road.

[@WaxPaper]

The pre-Cataclysm zone felt more immersive to me, for some reason. I remember running around there one night with a buddy, leveling my first character. It seemed darker in that zone, almost like the rock formations were realistically blocking the moonlight. I suppose everything feels like magic your first time through, though.

[@Jediwarlock]

It's true! The shadow tracing is actually super high quality in WoW so I can totally see it being darker compared to a more flat zone. :)

[@IgorEngelen1974]

That's exactly why i keep going back to wow classic. The best weird zones and the best ambient sound.

[@Jediwarlock]

So true! :D

[@davemustang8173]

People forget in game wow isn't even half the size of lore wow

[@Jediwarlock]

This is a good point :)

[@a.f.7650]

True. They scaled everything down to be fit for the players and right after alpha they actually nerfed everything down by at least half, so monsters weren't that deadly for the new game. 😢 There are some enthusiastic fans who want to bring the lore accurate scale of the game back, alas, this will take a very long while I presume.

[@General12th]

Hi Jedi! I propose we rename the zone to Some Number of Needles Greater Than One But Probably Less Than Infinity

[@n1kryb_914]

Or just "N of Needles, 1≤N≪∞"

[@General12th]

@@n1kryb_914N Needles, N ∈ ℤ⁺

[@Jediwarlock]

Agreed! XD

[@pingz2454]

please more of this random content, it's sooo good😂

[@Jediwarlock]

Coming right up! :D

[@Wayclarke]

This is the content we demand. Was thinking that if this zone existed as geodata it would have gone very quickly to count the needles, and had a brief moment thinking I should make a GIS map. But knowing the WoW community, someone already did that decades ago.

[@Jediwarlock]

Ooh, that would be super cool! :)

[@ChadofJudgement]

200 needles indeed is one of the most memorable zones in wow!

[@Jediwarlock]

I agree!

[@McDiesel27]

I love this zone so damn much. I feel like a lot of the horde zones are underrated because people usually don’t find “desert” zones aesthetically appealing, but I love that look. The music is 10/10 and it has consistently good quests (except for the water elemental one I always hated that quest lol)

[@Jediwarlock]

I agree! It has its own unique type of charm. :)

[@metermaide1726]

the fact that there is mystery to this zone and the mesa platforms that are not accessible to players by normal means, holds a special place in my heart.

[@Jediwarlock]

Yes!! I love that too :)

[@OrandomPerson]

Thanks for the exploration. I honestly expected around 100 needles !

[@Jediwarlock]

Not a bad guess! :)

[@taranbrat]

I mostly play retail and thousand needles is one of the saddest zones hit by the cataclysm, I miss them

[@Jediwarlock]

Yes! I don't play Cata or retail but it was sad to hear about what happened to them D:

[@ItmeTummy]

More indepth niche bangers from Jediwarlock

[@Jediwarlock]

Glad you liked it! :D

[@marz_mitzi]

suggestion for your next vid :) count the enterity of human farms ingame. abandoned & occupied ones included - westfall has like 5-6 farms, i think elwynn has 4-5 including unmarked farms. i consider farms being human houses located in any countryside/outside of a capital or village. Tirion fordring even had a farm near a river~

[@Jediwarlock]

I like that idea! I'm grouping this in my list of future videos that has to deal with counting, exploring, researching a single "type" of place :) Thank you for that!

[@NorthstriderGaming]

Asking the question nobody asks and finding answers nobody was looking for :D I love these kind of investigations :D

[@Jediwarlock]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@TreesPlease42]

Loving your channel, thanks for all your work! 🎉

[@Jediwarlock]

You're welcome! I'm glad you're enjoying it. :)

[@themadhanna]

No, the needles don't refer to those stone formations and stuff... The centaurs are actually meth-heads, so if you look inside their huts, you'll find piles and piles of needles.

[@Jediwarlock]

Ah yes, my mistake! XD

[@themadhanna]

@Jediwarlock haha, great video, regardless xoxo.

[@geneabrego9759]

I've always liked to think of the name as not completely literal but something like, maybe when Tauren's were first discovering that land one of the youngers looked out at the needles and said "WOOOW There must be a thousand of them" and the elders liked it and over time it became a nickname of the land and then over more time it became the actual name of the land. I have no idea if there is any actual lore behind the name, this is just what has always existed in my head.

[@Jediwarlock]

I think that is probably the case. I like your comment! :D

[@davy8128]

Now that's the kind of scientific work I subbed for. 👍 Keep it up!

[@Jediwarlock]

Thank you! :)

[@alyssaapoc]

After realizing we should just call it "Hundred Needles", @ 2:12 when you said there were EIGHT MORE NEEDLES in Feralas I lost my shit😂

[@Jediwarlock]

XD ...The Land of 208 Needles, final answer lol

[@maxhaly1612]

Even though the in game version of TN doesn't actually have 1k needles, a lot of the zones in the game are way more scaled down in size than they are in lore, so we can only assume the lore accurate Thousand Needles does indeed have a thousand needles

[@Jediwarlock]

That is true! :)

[@nathaliemlromer]

Before the Sundering this zone was a deep river. I've always assumed that the zone was named for a now-extinct plant that resembles a "needle" and there are some plants in rivers that grow tall and slender. Maybe they have an ancient "cousin" that was a plant growing in this river, later Thousand Needles. The old quest "Akiris by the Bundle" could be a clue. The quest text did mention "stalks" and a stalk is the stem of a plant. They're an ocean plant, but what if in the ancient river, now Thousand Needles, a similar plant grew. Taller, tougher (to withstand the fast-flowing water) and it looked like a needle. Maybe there were thousands of them, but the Taurens who called this part of their tribal lands might have made it a game to send their younglings out to collect a thousand of these stalks. Thus a name was born and the region (while a river and later as a dry bed and even later as a flooded plane) became known as Thousand Needles... Welcome to my head cannon btw. I now live rent free in your mind. LOL ...oh the days when a Carrot on a Stick was a necessity. 🙂

[@ivarisalie8759]

It's literally explained in the game that its because of the stone pillars.

[@nathaliemlromer]

@@ivarisalie8759 When looking up Thousand Needles it lists on Warcraft Wiki that it was a river. I was just playing with that bit of information and using old quest content to do other options, okay. In this game with most backstory not really known to players one can "make up" stuff, okay.

[@Jediwarlock]

Love that idea! Thanks for the effort you put into this head canon, I enjoyed reading it. :) I have a WoW Rocks video on the river system of Thousand Needles you should check out! :D

[@CarlosCanelaCinn]

"Two hundred and eight needles" also has certain flavor to it as a name which I'm sure would have had more people trying to verify the number of needles to be correct instead of just overlooking the "Thousand" name as just an allegory of "a bunch of rocks on phallic formations"

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, true!

[@simonjacksons]

I thought that at one time it was covered in thorn bushes this getting the name of many needles

[@Jediwarlock]

Ah, that could be!

[@kamantariq2513]

So if it did have 1000 needles, it would be roughly 5 times bigger. Which applies to the whole of kalimdor. Imagine a wowol classic +++ where the game is to scale of the lore

[@Clara-wi3nh]

Thousand Needles being as big as Kalimdor would be absolutely epic

[@Jediwarlock]

That would be amazing! :D

[@starkite123]

There are some needles located to the west in Feralas as well!

[@Jediwarlock]

Yeah! :D

[@Digital-Scriptorium]

As always. Keep up the good work!

[@Jediwarlock]

Thank you! :)

[@skreelthebarbarian]

This is the kind of pedantic shitposting I come to this website to enjoy. Thanks Jediwarlock!

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, always a pleasure XD

[@rhinocus]

It wasn't meant to be metaphorical. An ancient Tauren Named Hammerhoof actually journeyed to Orgrimmar when he was young, to purchase a large case of needles for his Grandmother. On the way back, his Kodo was spooked and threw him off. It was then that he lost the thousand needles in the dirt. Now you know.

[@Jediwarlock]

The truth is finally revealed! XD

[@Ren3gaid]

0:38 Woah the rocks are moving Never noticed that

[@tenkowal]

One could even say they are

[@tenkowal]

rocking. This was supposed to be one comment, but youtube is having a youtube moment.

[@Jediwarlock]

It's a cool detail :D

[@elgar7252]

WoW maps and even cities are always scaled down for gameplay and design purposes. If we were playing in the world scaled properly... Either the entire game would be taking place in 3 zones per continent (at most, probably closer to 1 or 2), or we'd basically have to give up our real lives to spend predominantly traveling. I mean, Stormwind and Elwynn are great examples of how scaled down the game is. A city with a zone where Goldshire is 2 buildings, and there are like 3-4 houses in the zone with a Lumbermill to the east. Pretty sure the Human capital is more than maybe 150-200 people at best.

[@Jediwarlock]

That's a good point :)

[@AnjaKestrel]

The name is a final fantasy easter egg, referencing the iconic attack of the cactaur monster "1000 Needles".

[@Jediwarlock]

Ooh that is very cool! I never knew that :D

[@madmansdog]

Dude did you ever looked into how much bloodelfs there are left in silvermoon or tauren, orcs etc? There number is very small in the lore

[@Jediwarlock]

This is true! The population numbers in game are definitely smaller than in the lore, just a consequence of the zone scaling and whatnot I suppose. :)

[@roundninja]

I think the idea is that in the novel world, there were actually over 1,000 of the big needles, but the game world is scaled down drastically.

[@Jediwarlock]

Yes, the scaling is definitely a factor :)

[@roundninja]

@@Jediwarlock I would honestly love to play world of warcraft at the scale of an actual world. It's so small sometimes it feels more like a theme park, it's hard to get immersed

[@MycketTuff]

It's supposed to be more like grand canyon and not the minor ditch depicted in the game

[@Jediwarlock]

This is true, it probably is supposed to be larger in the "true" version of Azeroth. :)

[@storrentMC]

this is the quality content I sign up for

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, I'm glad you liked it! :)

[@mitchtheronin1469]

At 3:08 the dry bush also has tons of needles. at 1:24 there are man made spikes in the ground which could count as needles. if you consider those in your calculation, you might get to 1000

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, I guess I missed a few ;)

[@MycketTuff]

The maps in the beta were actual images of the terrain

[@Jediwarlock]

Good to know! :)

[@Gtvoao]

Count tiles in Ironforge? I did, and decided after ~1000 of them that I can do other things with my life :D

[@Jediwarlock]

Oh man XD

[@Neehize]

> Are There Really a Thousand Needles? No. Just a name. You're welcome

[@paulos9900]

Maybe it was around 1000 when it was named but some of them fully eroded away.

[@Jediwarlock]

It is definitely possible! :)

[@SBBBurney]

Very cool to see Noggit popularized all these years (over a decade!) later. :D

[@Jediwarlock]

Yeah! It's a great tool I've been using for a couple months now. I don't usually like featuring it so I don't break the "immersion" of the WoW game world but for this vid it was especially necessary. :)

[@StaysafeTV]

Excellent video.

[@Jediwarlock]

Wow, thanks so much! Love your channel and it's an honor to read a comment from you! :)

[@JohnSmith-rr3jt]

The needles are the 1000s of ally ganking people leveling in SOD

[@Jediwarlock]

XD

[@beaujones5124]

Jediwarlock quality content as always

[@Jediwarlock]

Thank you! :)

[@_d_h_]

so random. me and my gf was playing SoD yesterday and she asked why it's called Thousand Needles and I said "prob cuz it's thousand of these things?"! now count how many "needles" in Blades Edge Mountains :>

[@Jediwarlock]

It was meant to be! :D Counting Blade's Edge Mountains T_T oh boy.... XD

[@iseeyou695]

This is the video I needed!

[@Jediwarlock]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@Cadmus_of_the_Knight_Seekers]

God I love that you did this

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, thanks! :)

[@grafspe807]

I never really thought about the pillars as needles i guess in my head i always thought about cactus needles , but i dont think any cactus are in the zone i guess

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, I used to think that as well! Blade's Edge Mountains look a lot more like Needles :o

[@lhfirex]

I actually liked this zone's rework in Cataclysm... except for yet another abandoned plot that could've at least led to a good dungeon, with Magatha Grimtotem's escape at the end of the horde quests.

[@Jediwarlock]

I'm glad you enjoyed the update! It actually ended up making the zone even more unique with all the little platforms and deep waterways. :)

[@xaulted1]

The zones in the Warcraft game are meant to "represent" vast areas of the planet in a realistic, playable way.

[@Jediwarlock]

This is true! :)

[@xevarin1960]

when they update the old world, they better put that thousand in

[@Jediwarlock]

Maybe give each big Needle a little crown of little ones XD

[@Awesomeuserdude]

I never really thought about the amount of needles in the zone to be honest, lol. Still, the fact that there's over 200 is actually pretty impressive considering how small the zone really is in the grand scheme of things.

[@Jediwarlock]

I agree! :)

[@Karnaerkki]

Finland is called "the land of thousand lakes" even though there are almost 190 000 lakes in Finland.

[@Jediwarlock]

That's awesome! :D

[@meltingatom]

The pillars are called Hoodoos

[@Jediwarlock]

YES! Thank you for reminding me, I knew they had another name but I forgot! :D

[@meltingatom]

@@Jediwarlock shout out to the TF2 map called hoodoo that has a graph and a big arrow pointing to the hoodoo saying "this is a hoodoo!"

[@spaceboy5293]

Great video, it's so nice to see your channel grow day by day, keep it up :D

[@Jediwarlock]

Thanks so much! :D I appreciate that.

[@unclvinny]

Spires of A-Rock!

[@unclvinny]

Baker's Dozen of a Dozen Needles!

[@Jediwarlock]

Love that! XD

[@dziku2222]

Odd but interesting experiment.

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, thanks! :)

[@jameschristophercirujano6650]

How about art in world of Warcraft? It's such an essential part of world building since it's usually tied to culture.

[@Jediwarlock]

That would be cool to investigate! :D

[@EggeFett]

Have you by chance noticed Harb Foulmountain while counting the needles? I wonder why he's staring at the great lift so much, standing at the edge of the mountain and observing players while they take a ride up or down...

[@Jediwarlock]

I have taken note of this mysterious watcher and plan on incorporating him into a future vid ;) Thanks for pointing him out!! :)

[@EggeFett]

@@Jediwarlock Always a pleasure! Don't know if you're interested or not, but there are a few interesting NPCs/ Ideas I've discovered that might be of interest. Than again, you may or may not intend to cover them later

[@prokrastinator3759]

You missed out on the stalagmites and stalagtites in the caves. It's actually exactly a thousand, I promise.

[@Jediwarlock]

Ah yes, my mistake! XD

[@marianhorvath1345]

thank you for your servise man

[@Jediwarlock]

You are welcome! :D

[@EdwinHeida]

I love 1k needles, and was never a fan of Blizzard flooding it in Cataclysm.

[@Jediwarlock]

Agreed! It's such an iconic zone. :)

[@P4RC3V4L]

At least the video has a thousand likes.

[@Jediwarlock]

:D

[@xllvivaldi9339]

Wow

[@Jediwarlock]

WoW :D

[@blacksunshine9995]

This is the investigative detective work we demand for this game!

[@Jediwarlock]

:D

[@bengixd]

edging and goonin to dis 1

[@grog159]

control yourself bruuuh

[@Jediwarlock]

sus

[@MrKnightTV96]

It's sad that this zone got destroyed during the cataclysm and now you can no longer walk in the thousand needles ever again. That's sad in retail wow.

[@Jediwarlock]

I agree! :(

[@Snuzzled]

You can walk in thousand needles, as long as you have an underwater breath potion :P

[@6teeth318-w5k]

Fun facts. TU.

[@Jediwarlock]

You're welcome! :)

[@ch34p5h07]

neat

[@Jediwarlock]

Thanks! :)

[@zimattack9994]

What about Tauren horns

[@Jediwarlock]

Hmmm good point! :)

[@BlaXtylE]

I hate when alliance comes to thousand needles, specifically shimmering plates. This is Horde territory!

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

We invade 🤗

[@Jediwarlock]

Even Alliance like to check out the rocket racers every so often ;)

[@ponyote]

Fuzzy math.

[@Jediwarlock]

Pointy math

[@NickHannan]

Boy I sure hope someone got fired for this blunder

[@Jediwarlock]

Truly unforgivable! XD

[@IronBear88]

I don't know what to do with this information

[@villiamkarl-gustavlundberg5422]

Worthless information. I love it.

[@Jediwarlock]

XD

[@apskaa5493]

Such a Based video.

[@Jediwarlock]

Haha, thanks? XD

[@jamesg9468]

The actual appearances in game are always different than the lore descriptions. Eg. Stormwind is said to have a population of 200,000 people. But in the game there's only around 200 or so NPCs there.

[@Jediwarlock]

This is true! :)

[@Jarikraider]

No.

[@xXTheMustXx]

most likely - no

[@Jediwarlock]

Correct XD

[@terrytwotoes8922]

Go to goldshire and razor hill and count how many liveable buildings there are and calculate the civilian population of the “towns” 😂

[@Jediwarlock]

XD

[@lexi1337-r6s]

Sigh... Wow's overworld is just a miniature version of the real Azeroth. Do you think that the real Azeroth has zones you can cross in a few minutes?

[@Jediwarlock]

Good point!

[@6enduro331]

yes?

[@Jediwarlock]

Yes :P

[@Makujah_]

No, but WoW worldspace is not to scale with lore. Here's some baited engagement fer ya mate 😃

[@Jediwarlock]

That is a good point ;) I appreciate it! :)

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

"Hundred Needles" doesn't sound as good.

[@Jediwarlock]

Yes, not quite as impressive huh XD

[@Kafj302]

I am like number 522

[@Jediwarlock]

Pretty early! :)

[@Kafj302]

@@Jediwarlockit's to bad after 1k it just rounds the numbers, so unless you see the number switch to say 1.1k or something like that you don't know what number you are.

[@fancen]

probably not

[@Jediwarlock]

True lol

[@shadyc7044]

I can't *not* Like this type of content.

[@Jediwarlock]

That's good to hear! XD

[@oldundead]

I hate this map so goddamn much, it's like you entered the editor mode of the game and pulled everything up with absolute laziness.

[@Jediwarlock]

It definitely has the wildest ups and downs of all the zones O_O