Are there really NO forms in JKD?

[@Lyrisius]

Damn, your Japanese was on point brother. Respect. I'm an old Kali and JKD practitioner under Guru Rick Tucci (under Inosanto). I would totally cast my vote to see more of this in detail. Keep up the good and honest content.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you so much! I will do a formal breakdown

[@gmkgoat]

I think there's one thing you didn't mention that provides a bit of value to forms. You mentioned that they're great for teaching beginners to move but I've also seen them be great for elders as well. When a martial artist reaches the point where it's no longer safe to be sparring with contact, practicing forms gives them an opportunity to keep their mind and body in motion while maintaining a connection to the hobby that's been with them for years.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's a valid point.

[@blockmasterscott]

Forms are also great for cardio, flexibility, shadow boxing, mental discipline, and they can take the boredom out of endless drills.

[@BlackMartialArtsSociety]

8:30 I WAS LITERALLY DOING THAT SAME MOVE RIGHT BEFORE YOU DID IT.

[@JKDVIPER]

8:38 I like your show. I stop by n I listen. When it comes to SIL LIM TAO. It’s not just a form. WING CHUN is an integral part of JKD. It’s the mother and core essence. Although we changed the structure a bit. It’s still has a trapping base. With that said. If you’re practicing JKD .. then you should know your WING CHUN in my opinion. This will help you to understand, that all the attacks all the deflections you see in that UNG MOON just about all of them, come from one or more of the WING CHUN forms. SIL LIM TAO is the tool base of the art. CHUM KIU brings in movement. BUI GEE is a counter attack strategy. It has escapes and more detailed deflections. 🤛💯great video!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'd say it has a base of wing Chun but not reliant upon it 🤜💥🤛

[@martialartsunlimited01]

Wow the first add was timed just right. It came up right after your animae plug in

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'm getting better at this lol

[@martialartsunlimited01]

@@metrolinamartialarts how would you know where the add would be

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@martialartsunlimited01 I thought you were talking about the xmartial ad lol

[@martialartsunlimited01]

@@metrolinamartialarts no the youtube add. It was timed just right

[@kennethchapin8722]

Selem Dao(spelled wrong) is just to teach muscle memory, learn it then abandon it, recall all the parts with both hands independently responding to touch sensitivity. Wang Chung needs development of the rists so you can strike with palm, blade, and brut of the back of the rists, and to role through all the hand positions for traping. It's expands the mind to learn to be forceful and deliberate. But yes I know there are holes in Wang Chung.

[@DatSuKid]

Sil nim tao; Sifu Gary Lam formally trained me in that form for about a year now. I'd say it isn't there as a literal form to use as combo segments, but more of a dictionary of techniques and concepts to review when alone. The second form of WC "Chum Kiu" teaches more dynamic relationships to imaginary opponents (lots of re-facing). Fun drill: do Ung Moon with your hands as your legs do pistol squats for your calisthenic workouts! I only do 5 versions of it since I do 10 reps for my last set of pistol squats [2 reps each kind]: wu da (hand in center), tan da, gan da, ha wang da, biu da. Looking forward from more you learned from Sensei Yori, great Japanese! An interview with him would be godly. Love from fellow JKD bro, JSu

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@simoneriksson8329]

Intresting stuff! I am sure a breakdown of this form from you would be very useful:)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks! Got it

[@martialartsunlimited01]

Alol, love the alternate or online voices.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks! Lol I had fun with this one too.

[@lionmartialartsacademy4014]

I’m going to incorporate some of this in our wing chun class, some of the stuff we already do, there’s just more stuff but might be stuff that was loss from the Ip Man days over the years of different instructors

[@moneyfornothing3264]

Great video, however I clicked the link and went down the KZbin rabbit hole for a bit before returning to finally finish this video!! Nice 👍🏽

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you for watching 🙏

[@danplasma]

your JKD is legit and high level, wow, those 2 person traps were amazing, badass. A good friend of Sijo's talked just like you to me about centerline and rotating, Wing Chun JKD science!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Woo!! Thank you!

[@LotharTChips]

Definitely move by move breakdown would be great.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's coming

[@LotharTChips]

@@metrolinamartialarts it often seems to me that traditional martial arts have forms do to said tradition then have find reasons to keep them while you look at it the other way around.

[@rocirish76]

Siu Lim Tao isn't supposed "to work" so much as it is a catalogue of the hand techniques that are used in Wing Chun. Just a catalogue, of just the hand techniques, while learning the concepts of structure and forward pressure. Which is why there are no movements of the feet or turns of the body, like you would see in the two other long forms.

[@SodaPopin5ki]

Wow. I had no idea the sequence had a name. We did this every warm up in Sifu Yori's class. I never thought of it as a form, though. We'd do a footwork sequence and a evasion sequence before this. I suppose those could also be considered forms. He also specifically taught a kicking set. That definitely was a form.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That sounds awesome

[@SodaPopin5ki]

@@metrolinamartialarts I should specify, the kicking set wasn't an every day thing. The footwork involved step and slide, push off, curving steps, heel and toe sway, and something never quite got through his accent ("jang step?"), where the rear foot stays stationary, and we'd step forward and back to the left, center and front. Evasion sequence involved slips, bob and wave, duck, sway back. Interestingly, I just found the kicking set on KZbin, though I don't recall that last part of the footwork he went over. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6KYfWOPhKx4ors

[@TheKungFuKitty]

Awesome video! i've been studying through the mars program so to have someone under SiFu Ron to show a more in depth look into ung moon would be amazing! can't wait to see that video! oh and make sure to bring that outfit from the beginning of this vid! You look sharp! like you're ready for your first day of middle school!

[@darthwolfX2]

Good stuff

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks!!

[@shadowfighter6445]

That looks like a fun form. I gotta try it out. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you for watching!!

[@animeroxperiod123]

I'm 3rd generation Japanese & Black and learned some while growing up but not fluent but can tell your pronunciation is good! Yoku dekimashita~ Awesome video as well! I love the progression of the teaching!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you so much!

[@animeroxperiod123]

@@metrolinamartialarts You're welcome and thank you for your videos!

[@ScubaSouth]

Bro the Kenshin scene oh my god Ed ily my man 😭 kenshins top tier

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Damn right ✅️ lol

[@xxthatoneguyxx2602]

Ed deserves waaayyyyymore subs the jeet kune do is just on point 🙌🙌🙌

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!!

[@RevMazz64]

Yes break it down by movement for a non jkd concepts guy please!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Ok! Got it

[@paulmonahawk4921]

Love a breakdown of this!!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I gotchu!

[@FightingEdgeUK]

The best video yet dude 🙏👊

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Appreciate it!

[@AztecUnshaven]

Would be very intriguing to see you seek out an instructor in the lesser known branch of Bruce's teachings, "Non Classical Gungfu", established by the late, great Jesse Glover. Im my opinion it would be a fantastic addition to your JKD toolset, and it'd take your trapping/forward pressure to the next level. Finding a quality instructor in this system is tricky though, as they don't really openly advertise or promote, and it seems you often have to know someone that knows someone for that "door" to even be opened to you.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Then they would probably not want to teach that "youtube" guy

[@gw1357]

I am not formally trained in Wing Chun (no lineage!), so take everything I say with a grain of salt. But my understanding is that Siu Lim Tao should be thought of as a list or catalogue of core movements. Ung Moon is the same way. Its meant to build muscle memory and conceptual understanding. Its not meant to be practically applicable, its meant to build things that become practically applicable. In a sense its like weight lifting. When you push a guy you're not doing perfect bench press form, but you're relying on strength and muscle memory that you built by bench pressing. I think the issue comes when people think of these WC/JKD forms in the same way they think of Wu Shu forms or Japanese katas. Wu Shu forms are meant for the observer as a presentation of beauty and skill and that's the actually the ultimate point of Wu Shu. Its like gymnastics. Japanese kata are meant to be guides for practical application (look at Sensei Enkamp's or Sensei Abernathy's extensive videos on "bunkai" meaning kata application). They're meant to practice actual scenario-based combinations. In this sense they're sort of like complex drills in basketball -- receive pass, dribble around cone to the wing, throw a fake, stepback jumper -- in that they're the bridge between individual skill building and live opponents. Also, Bruce Lee never said he didn't like forms. What he said was he didn't like when people focused on forms as the most important thing. He thought it was an inversion of ends and means. He was known to say “The lesser expression can be found in the greater, but the greater is not found in the lesser.” Meaning you can see the relevance of forms in fighting, but you can't see the totality of fighting in the forms.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Great take 👌 👏

[@enby_kensei]

Like you said, siu nim tao a dictionary of the fundamental parries and teaches you the mother stance. But the most important aspect of it, unlike ung moon or even chum kiu is that the primary emphasis is muscle memory and measurement. The whole point of SMT is to make sure that, when you spar, you throw those parries out at the correct distance; make sure you don't disrupt your structure by overreaching or collapsing. The theory is, if you do the form the exact same way every single time, you can build correct muscle memory so you can apply the techniques correctly. Also I'd LOVE an ung moon tutorial. I love my wing chun forms but ung moon just looks so much sexier; way more tiktok worthy lmao

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Makes sense!

[@joshuaowens3611]

What??!!!!! Ed teaches a Kata? The world is ending! I am going to make it my mission to teach you Naihanchi Shodan! Every time I have watched you teach JKD, the exact movements and concepts that you were teaching were in that Kata

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Good luck lol

[@martialartsunlimited01]

Come on sensei Judo Josh, you can do it

[@shml5093]

I love the demon slayer and dbgt music in the begining, its amazing that you can get some of the best content and background music in the martial arts youtube community in the same place

[@metrolinamartialarts]

We just have good taste 🤣 🤜💥🤛

[@marvelousdefenders8825]

I typically use Siu Lim Tao more as breathing exercise or even a pseudo meditation than anything else. I could see it being used to get used to hand positioning.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's fair

[@scottvangasbeck9431]

Great video

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!

[@scottvangasbeck9431]

@@metrolinamartialarts your welcome

[@darthwolfX2]

Just wanted to let you know the video is up

[@ives3572]

"Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Does formless here mean no forms or no form?

[@j.murphy4884]

@@metrolinamartialarts The argument for forms (practicing routines of movement that supposedly mimic fighting motions) relies implicitly on form (the idea that fist fights are a problem that can be solved theoretically)

[@JKDVIPER]

1. FIST FROM THE HEART 2. TAN SAO WUSAO FOOK SAO PAK SAO JAANG JEUNG (both sides) SIL LIM TAO snd CHUM KIU BUI GEE and UNG MOON are required at my sites.

[@jayve4433]

Yes, that’s what I want

[@timbecherer4242]

Ung Moon is Sifu Yori’s creation created from a long term lesson plan given to him by Sifu Inosanto. Nothing rumored there, fact right from the source.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

Someone saw the Bob Barker letters

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I mean, they were pretty telling

[@FreestyleMartialArtist]

@@metrolinamartialarts I was pretty disappointed but not surprised. as to your video - great work as usual. I definitely thing “forms” have their place in a martial artist’s formative (pun intended) years.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@FreestyleMartialArtist same

[@luisloaiza0425]

I would love a breakdown on ung moon

[@metrolinamartialarts]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKq2h4yflrqWoJo

[@lionmartialartsacademy4014]

Eh there’s some direct application from slt, more so in 2nd section, none if you’re thinking of being in triangle stance and doing it, but it is more so about learning how to generate power from a weaker stance in order to generate more power in a stronger stance, that and having almost all of the tools of wing chun which shows up more in chi sao than in sparring so it depends on your goal when it comes to slt but not being taught it properly is definitely a good reason to not formerly teach it 😂

[@royalecrafts6252]

you can implement fairbairn style combat as well into JKD and irl fight in general

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Oh neat

[@AztecUnshaven]

Fun fact is that Fairbairn's combat methods were greatly influenced by Jigoro Kano Judo and Chinese Gongfu, as he spent 10 plus years in Shanghai teaching SWAT tactics, back when Shanghai was crazy dangerous. In many of his writings, he called his tactics "the Shanghai method", and it has many similarities to Bagua/Xingyi. Fairbairn and Sykes history was fascinating stuff. Everything comes full circle.

[@royalecrafts6252]

@@AztecUnshaven is brutal as well, it is implemented for war so you can rest assure it works pretty well

[@coopergarland1965]

What type of injuries or limitations do your students have or develope while performing Ung Moon.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Most of the time they're ok. Maybe they're timing takes a hit for a bit.

[@philosopherboy]

Cool. Lot going on in this one! I was pretty triggered by the assertion in the previous video too, haha. Calling combos (or even pad drills) "forms" stretches the notion to the breaking point and past the point of linguistic usefulness. Definitions are fluid abstractions, but there's a cut off when we lose helpful differentiations. Words are defined by shared use and context. These things are functionally different enough that having separate words is essential. *puts his philosophy degree back in the box* I think some of this is just rationalization and equivocation. It makes the case for "forms" easier to justify if it's somehow fundamentally the same thing in arts with consistent live resistance. We've internalized the "kata bad" criticism, but still do kata, so if it's all kata maybe it can't all be bad? haha. It's like saying shadow boxing is kata, because it's in the air. Conveniently forgetting that it's flexible and improvised - and that kata are static and predefined. *notices philosophy escaped again, stuffs it back in vigorously* All that being said, forms aren't inherently bad. They exist as a product of their history and can still be helpful, especially for beginners or folks with a variety of special needs. Or just generally as moving meditation. It's just that many learners are better suited by other instructional methods - and that forms cease to be as useful as we achieve more advanced levels of practice.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Very well said. 👏 I completely agree

[@merlin5420]

‘A style should never be the gospel truth, the laws and principles of which can never be violated. man, the live, creative being, is always more important than any established, set style. -Artist of life Bruce Lee

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Shit. -Bruce Lee

[@francoismorin8721]

I was impressed by the use of Japanese language at the end. Which I did not understand by the way, but still I like to see people that speak more than one language. What started it... Anime or Martial Arts?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Anime 💯

[@francoismorin8721]

@@metrolinamartialarts Ha ha . I had a feeling. it was. Anime got many teenagers interested in Japanese language. 👍

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@francoismorin8721 yeah especially in 2000 when I started in high school

[@travisito8546]

I believe there’s nothing wrong with forms at all and I think they should be practiced. I also don’t believe in there being a martial art or aspect of martial art that is useless. I just think think every art and aspect has its place and everything needs to be done with balance. Like no aspect should be more important than the other. I truly believe that even if you don’t necessarily care for a certain aspect there is still something to gain from it and if you can just gain one positive thing out of it. It’s effective for you.

[@MonkeyFist]

About "you dont have to do what B.Lee did" it is something what i dont like about jkd... I mean i think that it is a little disresoectful to him... He did not want to do it as a style... But people teach jkd as a fighting system/style... copy him in everything what it making it arledy a "style" i mean... If you have some basic you do... Some unique training methods...system of moves and tactics... This arledy making it to style heh. (In my opinion) But i understand that "B.Lee fighting style JKD" can get more costumers than "fight club" or "selfdefense school" hehehe And to be honest... A lot of jkd guys coping his moves like "Bruce Lee wanna be" thing... (I was thete too... When i was15years younger) "Be shapeless"...buuuut when you coping somebody and want to be like him then you are not shapeless at all: p Be like a water...not like a cup. : ) But i like you because you are not blind for other things around... (Some people see only Lee and nobody/nothing else)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Excellent take on the video and Bruce's paradox.

[@darthwolfX2]

I would like to see that jkd form break down

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Ok!

[@sixstringrevolver6742]

8:03 that accent cracked me up!

[@maddinkn]

I feel you about the forms. To me a form is a stance in which you can (or supossed to) do a specific movement/attack. So a "traditional form" starts in a stance and then follows a sequence. In boxing that would be f.e. the philly shell. Just to name one. You can do certain things really good with it but I'm sure it has some shortcomings. ( Boxing community feel free to explain and correct me. ) But don't feel triggered please I don't know shit. This is just my opinion and how I would explaine it based on how I understood it. Peace

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'm triggered lol 😆 Nah I getcha. Thanks for watching 🙏

[@maddinkn]

@@metrolinamartialarts 😱😱😱 Okay... ^^

[@kalikop]

“Also cocaine” 😲😁🤣🤣🤣

[@Brandon123456magine]

Your soundtrack is from the theme song of Dragonball GT

[@metrolinamartialarts]

One of them, yes!

[@back287nash793]

Sifu I’m confused I remember Bruce Lee being Chinese and speaking Cantonese, hmmm. Great video!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You're right. I'm neither of those things

[@balancebjj1087]

futurama quote 30 seconds in.. oh your god...

[@eugenebrohan-lx6fk]

If you are fortunate to be taught by someone who teaches the different styles then teaches jkd concepts there forms taught in the separate styles that you would study but jkd is almost purely applications and I love siu nim Tao

[@stevoz748]

Since youre so fluent in the language, can you break down each position of Siu Lim Tao but say it in English? I understand when passing on techniques we say them in the language presented to preserve the culture as much as possible, but i feel like when we do that in English or Spanish speaking communities, were just making it significantly harder for ourselves to really understand the actions and maneuvers were doing. Like, we dont teach the Pythagorean theorem in Greek!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's an amazing point. 👏 I'll put that in the queue!

[@manuelzapata1192]

👍

[@AlfonzoCarson]

Break it down move for more. Also I do see element of Wing Chun in that. Ung *** come first?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

There are! I think Ung is from the 80s

[@oddmanout7755]

Accoutrement!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I can't say it normally lol

[@oddmanout7755]

@@metrolinamartialarts I just like when people use words.

[@robertb8673]

Jeet Kune Do is Formless, shapeless. When you fill it into a cup, it become the cup. It's like water. Become Water my friend. Bruce Lee

[@CoachCoebryCombat]

There are no forms in the jkd but most guys are under the inosanto branch or they add wing chun into their system and their are forms in the wing chun so jkd does have forms by proxy, my teacher sifu major walker is under the francis fong lineage and he only teaches sil lim Tao

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That's probably because Sifu Fong is a wing Chun guy and has different tools for teaching the basics than ung moon. Sifu Fong is legit, so I'm sure he has some good tools. 👍

[@CoachCoebryCombat]

@@metrolinamartialarts he is very good and honestly my teacher doesn't like to call it jkd cause it's so wing chun influenced but the curriculum he teaches really is under the jkd structure and idea of absorb what's useful and reject what's useless great video man

[@martialartsunlimited01]

And spats, you live your spats too

[@martialartsunlimited01]

Look at that handsome bald guy in glasses. Doing my best Bruce Lee wearing sunglasses 🕶

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Very handsome

[@maxhensley1685]

The way I see it is, forms are training methods. If you want to practice some ancient traditional form because it's a part of your style's history and you think that's worth preserving, that's fine, but it should be with the understanding that it probably has some limitations as a practical training method given that it was developed in a very different training environment than you're in today. Maybe some of the techniques are based on the idea of defending yourself against an armed opponent, but the weapons people would have used back then are completely different than today. Maybe the techniques are based on countering what are presumed to be likely tactics from your opponents, but your opponents are presumed to be tiny 18th century Okinawan townspeople, and you'd see completely different tactics in a culture where people's physiques and athletic backgrounds are different. Maybe some of the techniques are predicated on the assumption that you're doing hardcore finger conditioning so you can stab people through the trachea with your bare hands, but you're not and you can't, and those techniques would be useless to you in a real fight. Maybe every single movement has some meaning that perfectly applies to the sorts of confrontations you'd be likely to get into in your modern environment, but you don't know the meanings of those movements because they got lost a hundred years back in your lineage. In any of those cases, you could get training more optimized for your purposes in actually learning to fight effectively by doing something other than traditional forms. And on a finer-grained level, you could probably get better training for your purposes by doing something different from your fellow students, who have different natural abilities, body types and training priorities than you do. At some point, if your training methods are individualized enough, you're not really doing forms anymore, because they're not forms if there's no uniformity. But if you reject the whole idea of practicing pre-set patterns of movement as a training method, you're probably not doing your training any favors either.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Confused by your last sentence.

[@maxhensley1685]

@@metrolinamartialarts Basically, practicing traditional forms probably isn't the single best thing you could possibly do with your time if you're optimizing your training for real fighting, but committing to not practicing anything form-like probably won't help you come up with the best training regimen either.

[@mazsax999]

@@maxhensley1685 "You have to learn the rules before you can break them"

[@ajw9975]

More Ung Moon!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Got it! 🤜💥🤛

[@AjaychinuShah]

14:30 Muk Jong is dummy, Fake Dummy, or Tree, or You ?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

One of those lol

[@thedojodjsx9605]

Ron "The Swinger" Balicki trained wing chun under Randy Williams so no need 2 be modest dude lol U definitely have wing chun lineage to your name. Anyway Randy's teacher was George Yau but the actual connection to Ip Man I have no idea seems 2 b a controversy probably u can shed more light on it. Never heard of hung moon before very interesting

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I know I do but I don't want my bad performance to reflect on Sifu Ron's behalf lol

[@1individeo]

All martial arts including boxing have forms. Some call it katas,, others call it shadow work.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Agreed

[@darthwolfX2]

I can make sli lim Tao form work in a fight

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Please elaborate 🙏

[@darthwolfX2]

@@metrolinamartialarts sure would like a wall of text or a video showing?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@darthwolfX2 either is fine lol. Video might be easier to digest

[@darthwolfX2]

@@metrolinamartialarts video it is it will be up Wednesday of next week

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@darthwolfX2 tag me in it so I don't miss it!

[@1individeo]

*it's pronounced "Mashado" not "Machado". Portuguese does not have "ch" sound.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

............ok? Carlos always says it like "ch" but ok bud 🤷‍♂️

[@1individeo]

@@metrolinamartialarts that is because he wants it to be easier to those who speak English 😉

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@1individeo ok, so if he says it a certain way I'm gonna say it the way he does. 🤷‍♂️

[@1individeo]

@@metrolinamartialarts Yes, you say it the way you want to... But I am sure if you pronounce it the right way he'll smile at you with admiration and surprise. By the way I am portuguese*... Also you can just put it in google translate to read it for you and see how its pronounced.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@1individeo I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just not trying to suck up to people like that. Especially considering I don't speak the language

[@johnpauldaily]

Bruce later threw wing chun away in jkd Would be more productive to train lead punch, groin kicks, kicks to the knee. Instead of teaching forms, you could just have folks throw straight round punches and kicks from diff distances and work 3 diff timings. Get him early, he’s started, or you’re late. Because if you want to use this stuff for real, you should get to practicing the fundamentals right away. Using mechanics, (feet, hips, gravity) moving in every direction. No need to practice wing chun. Fencing footwork and boxing mobility negates static stuff.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I hear what you saying but I disagree. Bruce threw away a lot of Wing Chun but not the core principles of interception.

[@johnpauldaily]

@@metrolinamartialarts you don’t need wc for intercepting. Just awareness, judgement of distance and a sharp tool. Progressive weapons chart fits here. If you miss one, you go to the next.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@johnpauldaily sure - but you can use the wing Chun model to vary your options. JKD works real well against JKD & Wing Chun, but if you don't have a variety of moves you'll be on the losing end of other styles.

[@johnpauldaily]

@@metrolinamartialarts variety is in the tools already. Lead punch isn’t always vertical. Sometimes palm up, sometimes down, sometimes vertical. You vary your hand and foot positions to fit the hole. Think of them as numbers on a clock. Then you don’t need new tech. You just have to use the right mechanics by either moving hand or hip first depending distance. This can be applied to long and short tools. Same with depth of penetration, levels, angles etc.. You just have to get to the target with enough timing, speed and power. Which is where reps come into play. “I do not believe in styles anymore.” -Bruce

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@johnpauldaily quoting bruce lee doesn't help here when you crystallize his teaching like you are and regurgitating them like the gospel truth.

[@lawrencecrayton9844]

Will leave the Coke to Guru Vunak lol

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Dang lol

[@JasonPhillipsXeariaN]

SIl Lum Tao taught without understanding of how to develop the Wing Chun internal structure is empty and practically useless. It would just be mimicking the external movements and not building on your internal structure. From what I've learned from Wing Chun and other systems that focus on developing your internal structure. Is if don't have an understanding of proper movement, relaxation, and alignment to build your muscles and tendons properly. You are just relying on un-linked muscle movements without the proper foundation to transfer or generate the power. For more reference for the mechanics of it. I would check out Tony Psaila and Mike Sigman. They both have some information floating around KZbin. Also I can't believe you let Seth make a clickbait video saying he learned all of Bruce Lee's moves in a week when he barely showed a fraction of the Jun Fan Gung Fu techniques. You should have him back to show him more of the system.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Hence why I don't teach or do Sil Lum Tao. Also, I am in no control of Seth 😅🤣 He wanted a crash course, I gave him one. He did well!

[@JasonPhillipsXeariaN]

@@metrolinamartialarts Lol I will admit that. He did a good job with what he learned and showed. Especially for the limited amount of time he practiced it.

[@MiamiJeetKuneDo]

If JKD ever had forms then they would've been taught by Bruce Lee to at least one of his students, right? But Taky Kimura wasn't taught Siu Lum Tao and Dan Inosanto wasn't taught Ng Moon, so whence cometh this idea of JKD forms? If we're being honest then we admit that it is a later concoction, inserted into JKD's historical lore (for whatever reason) and used by some to appear to have more "insider" JKD information than others Do western boxers practise forms? Do Thai boxers? Was Bruce Lee more aligned with the "aliveness" aspect of boxing? Isn't that why he eschewed the use of forms in his actual teaching, no matter how many forms he himself might have known?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I mean, ultimately we weren't there. There is video of Bruce doing Sil Lum Tao - chances are high he showed it to someone. Ung Moon was most likely a creation of someone else - and that's ok. It still helps beginners with the hand movements. It's like a boxer on a heavy bag before they can spar. Is it as useful? Different topic. Aliveness in the art is definitely in question here - but killing it to make it useful is what we went back and forth on. The creativity and whatnot you can add having been exposed to ung Moon can't be undersold in my opinion. As is the cross counter series and Jab hook series.

[@dwightwoods5689]

@@metrolinamartialarts I wasn't there but I've spoken at length many times with people who were and with people who were very close to the people who were there, so that's whence I draweth my conclusions Let's stop pretending that Ung Moon was "most likely" someone else's creation when we know it definitely was, which removes any claims of legitimacy as something Bruce Lee did Jab, cross and jab, hook series are to be shadowboxed, focus mitted, heavy bagged and sparred in the same alive manner Find me someone doing the Ung Moon form in an alive manner and I'll cease objections

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@dwightwoods5689 I'm pretty sure Ron has it done in an alive manner on his online training.

[@dwightwoods5689]

@@metrolinamartialarts I'd love to see a clip of that if possible

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@dwightwoods5689 I don't think it's right for me to share what Sifu Ron has behind a pay wall.

[@hotpopcorncake]

Damn, you know Japanese and Chinese.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I know more Japanese than Chinese

[@hotpopcorncake]

@@metrolinamartialarts BTW what do you think about that video of the jkd guy fighting the churner.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@hotpopcorncake I'm not sure what that is. You have a link?

[@hotpopcorncake]

@@metrolinamartialarts This happened a while ago. Also, through years of MA, I keep seeing on youtube. as I mention to you before in another comment. about fake JKD or young kids that pick JKD books from the library all of the sudden, they think their masters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX7SpK1ohc9jjaM

[@hotpopcorncake]

@@metrolinamartialarts In my opinion I didn't like how churner responded to the situation with the young know it all JKD kid. I would have done it without the violence. I would respectfully take him for a fight. if his attention was to fight or spar. idk what you think.

[@tylercreason]

Damn, wish you would actually let a Jeet Kune Do instructor visit your Church as I tried, so many times. Even visited your school. After that, I invited you so, so, so many times to come visit me as we took time off of work to come see you. But, you always refused, as if you knew more than us. Or you didn't want to spar or see something you've never seen, probably never trained. Why?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I do know more than you.

[@bigwavesun]

Doesn't see the applicability of SLT, yet does all the hands present in the form 😂. If anything formal training in the art would fix all the leaning JKD guys do when doing these hands. Bruce saw its value for a reason.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@bigwavesun and threw it away for a reason.

[@bigwavesun]

@@metrolinamartialarts Eh more like dropped teaching it for a reason. Noobs can't sit still and and he had a family to feed before he went into movies.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@bigwavesun I think your timeline is a bit off.

[@neonknight5857]

rike button

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Arigato

[@gel.blaster.j7943]

i have enjoyed a few of your videos. but there is no such thing as multi-tasking. you are just doing two things poorly. I don't think I have ever seen simultaneous block/strike used in a full contact fight. not in sport or the street

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks for watching! But multi-tasking does exist - im doing it now by typing this and listening to music. Simultaneously blocking and striking is why people keep their hands up while striking 🤷‍♂️

[@gel.blaster.j7943]

@@metrolinamartialarts yeah. And I can breathe and sleep at the time. But that's not multi-tasking. Try to shave at the same time read and reply to a message. And to be effective you have to do it better and faster than if you did them one at a time. Keeping your hand up is like fighting with a sword and shield. Simultaneous block and strike is like fighting with two knifes

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@gel.blaster.j7943 that's exactly what multi-tasking is. But GSP vs Thiago Alves has simultaneous attack and defend plus a bunch more examples

[@gel.blaster.j7943]

@@metrolinamartialarts what is. Breathing and sleeping ? Also did shave at the same time as replying

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@gel.blaster.j7943 goal posts fallacy. Simultaneously attacking and defending is 2 things - blocking a hit and hitting g with your own. You adding three things is moving the goal posts. Now I'm walking the dog while replying - that's 2 things at once. 3 if we include breathing. 4 if we include blinking etc etc.

[@BlackMartialArtsSociety]

Bruce did steroids too……

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I need some lol

[@wallyng3630]

JKD is not a system it's a philosophy stop milking ppl $$$$$$$$$$$ DA

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah I said that in a previous video. You should watch it!