Are These Signs Dangerous?

[@cardsofkoi]

I did not expect that ending 💀

[@AkravHistory]

Sometimes I like to throw stuff in there to see which Gigachad is still watching! ;)

[@johnsarkissian5519]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@qpdb840]

@@AkravHistoryplease do more

[@Dwalin1989]

The ending was actually hilarious 😂

[@the_feedle]

"I am a fascist but not a racist" Bruh

[@AkravHistory]

He also said that Mussolini was "deeply misunderstood" in the same article!

[@FenolftaleinRE]

I mean... Understanding nuance is good. Authoritarianism is distinct from what they now call "identitarianism" (aka racism).

[@rayaanfederation3915]

Fascism and Racism are two distinct things what is your point

[@babytronsson]

Thank you Akrav for a finally critical video in a ocean of Turkish nationalism and propaganda. Hope you know we all enjoy your content!

[@AkravHistory]

It's a pleasure, thank you for being here!

[@babytronsson]

@@MetroSancaktepeCountryball Bragging about how your teacher critized Turkey really goes to show what the standards are like for that to be a big deal huh.

[@PhillMac]

Amazing depth of research and great storytelling as always, my friend! 🙌🏻 @3:27 had me rolling 😂

[@AkravHistory]

Haha, I wasn't trying to be cheeky there. Glad you enjoyed it, cheers!

[@PhillMac]

@@AkravHistory 🙌🏻👏🏼😊

[@NavrajS962]

🇮🇳❤🇦🇲

[@AkravHistory]

Welcome!

[@CaptainMarvelousGokaiRed]

Not so fun fact: That wolf salute sign is also considered to be a satanic sign.

[@AkravHistory]

Isn't that the "sign of the horns" 🤘? Similar but different!

[@armen4ok280]

Makes sense

[@GodsStrength617]

Correct.

[@CrimeanKhan_112]

@@AkravHistory the meaning of the hand gesture probably varies around the world, in the Americas most people will assume the gesture refers to satanism or rock music culture

[@RoupenNahabedian]

Slightly different rigth? Satan salute is with 3 fingers together folded l into the palm. The wolf salute has the 3 fingers together pointing out - I always thought to resemble a canine snout 🐽

[@ananmuadi31]

muslim Greeks (and secret Armenians) using a mongol hand gesture is ironic to say the least.

[@AkravHistory]

They wish it was Mongolian

[@tunahan4418]

It's kinda scary seeing how far into normalisation the symbol has become in turkey. I mean I did notice it slowly become normalised but not to this degree. Merih knew exactly what he was doing. It's always been associated with the far right nationalist mhp and other such parties. Just like the Turkish nationalist moustache is.

[@AkravHistory]

Interesting. Maybe he didn't think he would get penalized for it, but I've no idea what goes in the mind of something like that, different culture entirely. Nationalist moustache? Now I'm intrigued.

[@tunahan4418]

@@AkravHistory in turkey there's a history of communist and nationalist moustaches just look it up 😭 the nationalist one has an n shape around the mouth. The commie one is just a very thick moustache but I can't explain either so you have to Google it😭.

[@AkravHistory]

I did! Man that's hilarious.

[@C6Fever]

One of the best made videos I've seen on KZbin!, 10/10!

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you so much!!

[@Peachy1621]

this channel is a hidden gem

[@C6Fever]

@@Peachy1621 100%

[@FightForArmenia]

Very good Work. ❤️‍🔥 From Germany 🇩🇪

[@AkravHistory]

Danke!

[@ruslankazimov622]

Ohhh.... The irony. A turkic nationalist with blonde white wife pulling turanist signs in thr heart of Europe and Armenian nationalist or very least patriot sending love emoji from Germany... Meanwhile Germans are encouraged to not wave their flags anywhere.... The only thing missing is Pakistani from his flat in Berlin joining to party with Turkey Zindabad...

[@Peachy1621]

Amazing watch 🤩as always Akrav jan. Ill be waiting for the POW video and as always amazing content, keep it up

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you very much! I was brainstorming for another video and got sidetracked when a friend asked me about the wolf salute. The POW video is also in the brainstorming phase but I think I finally have an idea on how to do it to have the most impact. Sorry for being slow! Thanks again, so glad you're enjoying it!

[@Peachy1621]

@@AkravHistory No problem - i'll be waiting

[@Peachy1621]

​@@AkravHistory Also , might be too much to ask, but, can you make a video debunking the official tukish government affairs page on the Armenian genocide? after the poll's videos are made?

[@AkravHistory]

@Peachy1621 that's actually on my list! Too many videos on there but I will get to them both. Thanks as always!

[@Peachy1621]

@@AkravHistory okay . Thanks!

[@basedfinger]

i'm glad i could help with this video. one thing i forgot to mention was, during the time the football player made the salute, there was a pogrom against refugees going on in kayseri which was a hot-button issue going on in the country with many people supporting it or making excuses for it, and nationalist sentiment was particularly strong.

[@AkravHistory]

Pogroms? That's the type of thing I'd like to be aware of but not a peep from the news here, damn. Thanks for your input btw!

[@basedfinger]

@@AkravHistory yeah, in kayseri, houses of refugees were looted. during the wake of the events, a 17 year old syrian child worker in another city was stabbed to death. the most effed up part is how so many people support it or try to justify/rationalize it by saying stuff like "this is what happens if you don't send them back". i spoke out about it myself on social media and had a lot of colleauges and people i thought were friends call me a traitor and threaten me in some cases. it just showed how normalized racism was in the country.

[@AkravHistory]

@basedfinger man that is crazy, I will try to find more. A few Turks have been criticizing the video with something along the lines of "racism" as we know it in Europe doesn't exist in Turkey. Not sure what they call this then.

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

@@basedfingeryea we should send them back if you keep incompatible cultures this is what happens

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

⁠@@basedfingeraha bulduk sjwyi ya adamlar gitmeli daha çok olur böyle olaylardan gitmezlerse bizim kültürler úyuşmuyor

[@nazaretnalbandian3619]

The end is gold. 😂😂😂

[@AkravHistory]

Was a lucky find!

[@AykhanChess13]

As an Azerbaijani, it is hilarious to see Turks ultra giga mega nationalistic roots. Also, it is funny to see that this wolf salute has lots of background while it is a sign showing the wolf crazy!

[@AkravHistory]

Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@nostro1940]

Ultra giga mega nationalists Migrate to Germany Turks are at this point the personification of hypocrisy

[@ԱրենՆուրջանյան]

Agrav, barev! Are you planning to make a video about relations between the EU and Armenia?

[@AkravHistory]

Barev! Perhaps not directly but the next video I'm working on right now is somewhat related.

[@hi_arav]

Excellent video, as usual axper. Your work is much appreciated.

[@AkravHistory]

It's a pleasure, thank you very much!

[@nicklostable]

I didn’t know if you were being sarcastic, sincere or a mixture of both at the end 🤣🤣🤣

[@AkravHistory]

Good ;)

[@nicklostable]

@@AkravHistory I’m glad you uploaded again. I’m hoping there’s more to come 👍

[@AkravHistory]

@nicklostable of course there is. I'm enjoying the process too much!

[@Kateryna.iscool]

Nice deep dive. Crazy (and scary) how signs can be twisted

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you very much!

[@ningen8719]

The wolf salute is actually the modern name given to the "Simhamukha mudra" hand gesture by the tribes who settled in Afghanistan and Pakistan and founded the Turk Shahis after they adopted Buddhism. Henna night is another appropriated tradition from this period. Just like Nazis appropriated Swastika and Roman salute, Turks appropriated nearly every surface level culture of buddhists. According to some sources Alparslan Türkeş was a hidden armenian by the way kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4q0pmeoip11gcU

[@AkravHistory]

Thanks for sharing! The Simhamukha looks very similar and could actually be what inspired it. Just trying to figure out when... There's also this: www.odatv.com/spor/merih-demiralin-bozkurt-isareti-prof-dr-hanim-halilova-turkese-bunu-ben-ogrettim-120051648

[@astrodomain]

@@AkravHistorythe signs originate from göktürk times, its associated with turks and being turkish.

[@vachikdarbinyan-of4um]

Akrav, I really like your videos. Please make a video on how you make your videos. Especially the map animations.

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you so much! I can tell you map animations are the most tedious part of the work and I haven't found a single software that focuses on maps, at least not in a way that I use them. I have no idea how the other channels do it. I would guess there's some templates on Blender. But I use Photoshop & After Effects and do everything manually point by point. It would be a very boring video to watch, but I'm glad to know somebody appreciates it, haha!

[@ChiangKaiShek-qj5zg]

I was in an armenia discord server and one guy was talking about how in artzakh the resistance crumbled because of military corruption. how much did that effect things on the battlefield in 2020? Being in the CSTO, this wouldnt really surprise me one bit. are there any good videos about this?

[@AkravHistory]

I remember even some officials were diverting blame. But it's too opaque, I don't know where the truth lies. Something for the history books I guess.

[@ChiangKaiShek-qj5zg]

@@AkravHistory so you mean its hard to prove anything.. how much of it was proven? are there any good sources for this topic?

[@AkravHistory]

@ChiangKaiShek-qj5zg I think there's too much noise right now, it's always someone who knows someone who knows someone. But honestly I haven't tried to research it too deeply myself.

[@ChiangKaiShek-qj5zg]

@@AkravHistory damn. well i sure hope they improve the army to ukraine standards soon

[@AkravHistory]

Oh there have been reforms since then for sure

[@somerandomduud4086]

I only recently heard about what the salute was actually about and it shocked me to my core that so many people use it because it literally aligns with Nazism. What was most shocking though is that most Turks at my school didn't even know what it meant. They were literally fed information without ever questioning it and now they are expressing nazist ideology without even knowing it. I really love the video because it gave me more insight on the issue and it's history, thanks for reporting on it. U did an amazing job filming the video and ur channel is getting better and better every day. Keep up the good work, u have my support 🔥 I am worried about the future of turkey and its neighbours aswell as western Europe because we all know what comes next after rising nationalism...

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you for your kind words, especially coming from personal experience, your support means a lot!

[@astrodomain]

“Expressing nazi ideology without knowing”, omg its just like they didnt know where the symbol came from and somehow got told by you guys that its racist and know thats what they believe

[@sarscov_3covid-214]

Amazing well researched video!

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you very much!

[@osumatrix.]

Quality content 🤌🫴

[@AkravHistory]

Cheers!!

[@blackleaf600blackleaf60-m]

Hey Akrav. There are 2024 Summer olympics. Can you do a video on how most of their Azeri medalists are not even Azerbaijani?

[@AkravHistory]

Haha, that's a fun idea. I'm in the middle of two scripts, but will check it out. Thanks!

[@BijiKurdistan2121]

Great video Akrav

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you very much

[@GodsStrength617]

Akrav is always cooking!!! 💯☝🏼

[@AkravHistory]

Gotta sizzle!

[@ViktorNeshaniyan]

Thanks for video

[@AkravHistory]

Thanks for being here!

[@Darrk_77]

another great video as usual

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you very much!

[@onatdeveci5502]

Great video and great research. I congratulate you as a Turk. What's funny to me is that prior to Demirel's use of the symbol, everybody knew what doing a wolf gesture meant. After he did it, it suddenly became a "national" symbol. Just shows how reactionary Turkish society can be smh. Anyways, you earned a subscriber.

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you for the kind words and sub, looking forward to future discussions!

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

Knk her zaman öyleydi Türk mitolojisi ne bak Türkler kurtlardan geldi deniliyor

[@onatdeveci5502]

@@SoWhy-hk8rg olay Türk mitolojisi değil, el sembolü.

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

@@onatdeveci5502 Knk işaret zaten mitolojisinden geliyor eski zamanlarda yapılmaktaydı bu westren insanları anlamıyor

[@onatdeveci5502]

@@SoWhy-hk8rg Modern Türk devletinde bu el işareti asla Türklüğü temsil etmedi. Bu işaret gayet de Ülkücülüğün sembolüdür. Nasıl barış sembolü eskiden barış sembolüydüyse şimdi de PKK'lıların sembolüdür. Lütfen cahil gibi davranmayınız, Bozkurt el işaretinin ne olduğunu ve kim tarafından popülarize edildiğini herkes biliyor bu ülkede, kendimizi kandırmamıza gerek yok.

[@Healthytruth]

Yea an expression of Turkish pride is the devils horns. Another priceless video 🇦🇲❤️💙🧡🇦🇲

[@AkravHistory]

They ruined an otherwise cool looking gesture 😭

[@Healthytruth]

@@AkravHistory you are amazing axperus thank you for all your hard work. You are leaving an imprint that will last forever with truth and love .

[@RoupenNahabedian]

Someone else beat me to it. I. Was. Not. Expecting. The. Ending and I’m still RoFL-ing hard 😂 Please find the person in that final clip and get his take on the salute! On a more serious note, yes, either both salutes are Ok or not-ok. Well said!

[@astrodomain]

You seem to like comparing the wolf hand gesture with nazi signs. Just because an extremist group used the hand gesture since it had linked with being Turkish, Its really funny how everyone here says the symbol is not about racism but somehow you guys interpret it as racist, how could the symbol stop being linked with racism? I dont think it was racist at the first place. Also, banning one of our best player for two rounds, definetly not because of the symbol. Its obvious from Turkey that he did that gesture to show a Turkish salute, since the Turkish team won and its a turkic symbol.

[@AkravHistory]

Cool. By that logic the roman salute should be allowed too. "Just because an extremist group used the salute", it shouldn't be interpreted as racist. Goes both ways :)

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

@@AkravHistoryyea it should be you can’t stop people form doing a hand gesture

[@astrodomain]

⁠@@AkravHistoryits not seen racist by people here who dont link it to MHP. Just because the ultra mega nationalists used it doesnt mean it cant lose its original meaning. Obviously its common knowledge that MHP uses it but for gods sake its not a terror symbol. The Roman symbol was probably not that popular at the time and interpreted like the grey wolf symbol.

[@А49087]

приятно смотреть на то, что ктото говорит о данной теме и настолько подробно. Спасибо вам за ваш вклад в распостранение информации, жаль, что ее просматривают довольно узкий круг людей. Кстати, а кто вы по национальности?

[@AkravHistory]

Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad it is appreciated!

[@eriksargis1998]

Man u are the best

[@AkravHistory]

You're too kind!

[@lehmejoun]

Super nice, please use something else for the title, something that related to the football incident so that those of interest have it suggested to them.

[@AkravHistory]

Thanks! Got any ideas that won't make the title too long?

[@lehmejoun]

@@AkravHistory Unfortunately i'm no football fan, maybe football fans can help with specific keywords to make it more attractive.

[@AkravHistory]

@lehmejoun same here, hehe. I'll give it some thought

[@AristotleOfChi]

@@AkravHistory It will also make your videos easier to find which helps spread the message and grow your channel

[@Paul-vq6jk]

Das ist der Leisefuchs!

[@AkravHistory]

Naturlicht 😂

[@RyanG0899]

Since when has nationalism been a bad thing? Or is it only bad when Europeans do it?

[@nostro1940]

It's not nationalistic when they prefer to live in Germany. It's hypocrisy

[@hi_arav]

It's always bad 🤦 Patriotism =/= Nationalism

[@nostro1940]

@@RyanG0899 v

[@degoose2447]

Its a facist symbol

[@GuyFierisShirt]

@@degoose2447 Hurr durr, ebil fascist hurr durr.

[@yorick-fe5vp]

Hey man uh firstly a great video, I would like to congratulate you on that. But this symbol was used by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk as well, founder of the Turkish Republic. Now it must be considered that Turks before the revolutions of Ataturk, was a society highly based on Islamic values, and to change it to state nationalism instead. Some may call this fascist, however one must remember that fascism is highly based on the aftermath of the Industrial Revolution and socially its based on traditionalism, while Ataturk actually brought the first proper industrialization attempts to Turkey which were successful, and even changed many traditions to follow the modern world order. The reason today people of Turkey are this ultra nationalistic, is because they fail to understand Atatürk’s revolutions and their reasons of so. Also I would like to say that MHP became what it is in the 60’s as they transitioned an already existing right wing party into the literal n@zi party. Before that it was known that he was a member of an organization that is named “Nasyonel Aktivite ve Zinde Inkisaf” which mimicked the n@zi way of life, and did the n@zi salute. The wolf hand gesture was used in the 60’s, but there really isn’t that much evidence of that except some really old photos and cartoons.

[@AkravHistory]

Hey, thanks so much for watching and the comment. Let's see. One person mentioned Ataturk doing the sign, but the only photo I found turned out to be doctored (teyit.org/analiz/fotografin-ataturku-bozkurt-isareti-yaparken-gosterdigi-iddiasi). If you have any more info on Ataturk doing the sign or any of those photos/comics, please pass it along, I'm very curious!

[@astrodomain]

⁠@@AkravHistory Atatürk was a person who wrote a letter to ANZAC troopers mothers emphasizing their loss, did not step on the Greek flag as a response to the Greek king who did the same thing to the Turkish flag and expressed sadness after seeing a Greek soldier dead on the floor, welcomed a high ranking Greek military person with respect, if you think this person is somehow racist I leave it up to you. (It would have been easier to exploit the anger of the turkish people at that time)

[@Godlylight99]

Turkish pride ? 😂 More like Turkish embarrassment.

[@AkravHistory]

The guy at the end is definitely the proudest!

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

Why would he be embarrassed?

[@kurdihouse]

@@SoWhy-hk8rg You wouldn't understand, you're one of the cockroaches

[@ananmuadi31]

More like muslim Greek🙂

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

@@ananmuadi31 Greeks? more like Christian Turks

[@degoose2447]

Yes

[@AkravHistory]

/theend

[@Podcast-Deep-Dive]

Hahaha a channel which can make a difference between Pakistan turkea 11:29 ye & Pakistan.

[@AkravHistory]

Turkey, Palestine and Azerbaijan are the 3 countries that deny the Armenian G-cide

[@nazaretnalbandian3619]

Did you mean Pakistan?​@@AkravHistory

[@johnsarkissian5519]

❤

[@AkravHistory]

❤️!

[@Godlylight99]

💀💀💀

[@AkravHistory]

😎😎😎

[@jl9110-d1s]

So he made a jackass sign

[@AkravHistory]

Pretty much

[@Patronxx95]

Overall it's a nice video. There are a few points that I disagree with and that I'm too tired to talk about. But there is one point that I am definitely against; equating the Nazis and the Gray Wolves towards the end of the video. I guess you didn't do this with a specific agenda, that is, with bad intentions, but you repeated the arguments that Germans use to not feel alone on this issue. I follow the German media a lot on this issue and they are making this propaganda to shake off the label of "the most racist, the only genocidal, the dirtiest history". Don't get me wrong, I am a Turk who recognizes the Armenian genocide, so I am not writing these with clear subjective opinions. I hate MHP and what it represents and I don't give a damn about their salute. Just wanted to point it out. Cheers 🙂.

[@AkravHistory]

Thanks for watching and the insightful comment! That's right, perhaps something should have been said about the scales of these parties being on a different level, but I don't think that means the Grey Wolves get a pass. Their links are there, and their racial supremacy ideologies are similar. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the MHP came to full power in Turkey, what awaits the Kurds? One other minor note, from where I'm standing, it looks like Germany in general is doing a pretty good job taking responsibility and educating themselves about their dark past.

[@Patronxx95]

@@AkravHistory Thank you for your response. I will try to explain as best as I can. It's a bit difficult for people who do not live in Turkey to grasp this, and I hope you won't label what I'm about to write as "Turkish propaganda" because I will provide an answer contrary to the perception on non-Turkish social media. Assuming you don't know, I want to talk about their origins. The organization known as the Grey Wolves was actually established and funded by the US during the Cold War to combat communist structures in NATO member states. There were similar groups in Italy, which you can find by researching "Gladio." Yes, especially in the 60s and 70s, this organization was used by the state as a "silencing" apparatus against minorities (such as the Maraş massacre). The problem in the subsequent period was this: especially after the end of the Cold War, all other states disbanded these paramilitary organizations, except for Turkey. So, how did this happen? Here, we need to understand one point: the MHP and the organization known as the "Grey Wolves" changed significantly, especially after the death of Türkeş. Until 2010, they managed to survive as representatives of nationalist voters, but especially after 2010, they became a monstrous structure representing no political ideology. If you ask someone in Turkey what they think about the MHP, instead of nationalism and racism, concepts like mafia, drug trafficking, and money laundering will come to their mind. Let me tell you something even more interesting: you can find news in Turkish about Kurdish mafias and these MHP-affiliated mafias collaborating in these dirty businesses. Furthermore, as you know, Turkey has been dealing with a refugee/asylum seeker issue for 10 years. And this "racist" party supports these refugees/asylum seekers staying in the country and labels citizens who want them to leave as racist. Is there a radical right-wing party in Europe with such rhetoric? 😄 In the last general elections, those dissatisfied with AKP, Erdoğan's party, "punished" him by voting for MHP, the party in the alliance, not for their ideology or promises (because there is none). Their situation is this pathetic. So, my answer to your question is that nothing will happen to the Kurds within Turkey different than last 20 years or so because they have long ceased to act with any political ideology. Bahçeli recently stated that Kurds and Turks should marry more (😄), which you can find in Turkish sources if you search. The problem is although Germany's responsibility towards its history is admirable, even if it was initially due to the pressure of the occupying Allied forces, I have no objection. But the problem is that a part of the public is no longer that satisfied with it. More precisely, they are very annoyed by not being able to be nationalist even in the slightest because we instantly label them as Nazis. The fact that Demiral's gesture was most talked about in Germany is no coincidence; I saw the question "Why can Turks be nationalists in our country while we can't be nationalists in our own country?" all over German social media and heard it from my German friends. I can talk more about this, especially about the German media channels and their propaganda in Turkey, but it would take too long and is unnecessary. All I will say is that I have enough evidence to doubt the true thoughts of every German and Austrian with this Nazi=Grey Wolves idea.

[@Patronxx95]

Thank you for your response. I will try to explain as best as I can. It's a bit difficult for people who do not live in Turkey to grasp this, and I hope you won't label what I'm about to write as "Turkish propaganda" because I will provide an answer contrary to the perception on non-Turkish social media. Assuming you don't know, I want to talk about their origins. The organization known as the Grey Wolves was actually established and funded by the US during the Cold War to combat communist structures in NATO member states. There were similar groups in Italy, which you can find by researching "Gladio." Yes, especially in the 60s and 70s, this organization was used by the state as a "silencing" apparatus against minorities (such as the Maraş massacre). The problem in the subsequent period was this: especially after the end of the Cold War, all other states disbanded these paramilitary organizations, except for Turkey. So, how did this happen? Here, we need to understand one point: the MHP and the organization known as the "Grey Wolves" changed significantly, especially after the death of Türkeş. Until 2010, they managed to survive as representatives of nationalist voters, but especially after 2010, they became a monstrous structure representing no political ideology. If you ask someone in Turkey what they think about the MHP, instead of nationalism and racism, concepts like mafia, drug trafficking, and money laundering will come to mind. Let me tell you something even more interesting: you can find news in Turkish about Kurdish mafias and these MHP-affiliated mafias collaborating in these dirty businesses. Furthermore, as you know, Turkey has been dealing with a refugee/asylum seeker issue for 10 years. And this "racist" party supports these refugees/asylum seekers staying in the country and labels citizens who want them to leave as racist. Is there a radical right-wing party in Europe with such rhetoric?😄 In the last general elections, those dissatisfied with AKP, Erdoğan's party, "punished" him by voting for MHP, the party in the alliance. Thats why their vote seems kinda high. Their situation is this pathetic. So, my answer to your question is that nothing will happen to the Kurds within Turkey different than what is happening to them today because they have long ceased to act with any political ideology. Bahçeli recently stated that Kurds and Turks should marry more (😄), which you can find in Turkish sources if you search. The problem is this; although Germany's responsibility towards its history is admirable, even if it was initially due to the pressure of the occupying Allied forces, I have no objection. But the problem is that a part of the public is no longer that satisfied with it. More precisely, they are very annoyed by not being able to be nationalist even in the slightest because we instantly label them as Nazis. The fact that Demiral's gesture was most talked about in Germany is no coincidence; I saw the question "Why can Turks be nationalists in our country while we can't be nationalists in our own country?" all over German social media and heard it from my German friends. I can talk more about this, especially about the German media channels and their propaganda in Turkey, but it would take too long and is unnecessary. All I will say is that I have enough evidence to doubt the true thoughts of every German and Austrian with this Nazi=Grey Wolves idea.

[@AkravHistory]

@Patronxx95 it's certainly interesting to read a closer perspective on this and I genuinely appreciate your taking the time for the write-up.

[@Patronxx95]

@@AkravHistory You're welcome!

[@premkenneth8939]

I don't think is a dangerous sign is a misunderstanding and ignorance

[@AkravHistory]

Enlighten us? :)

[@SeriouslyIdkforahandle]

Fake team 👇

[@saitaktas4979]

As a Turk who was born in the 50’s I disagree with your claim of wolf sign being popular in the 90s . It’s not true . In the 60s it was common among the Turkish nationalists and it goes centuries before. I don’t know where you get your facts from.

[@AkravHistory]

Can you help us with any kind of photo, video, article, anything? It makes zero difference to the video when it is from. I just want to find out. There's an Azerbaijani professor who claims to have taught it to Alparslan in the 90s: www.odatv.com/spor/merih-demiralin-bozkurt-isareti-prof-dr-hanim-halilova-turkese-bunu-ben-ogrettim-120051648 In any case, surely someone will send something and I will pin the comment and update the references.

[@theoden47]

new game of politicians to turkify Anatolian people..

[@AkravHistory]

Not that new!

[@SoWhy-hk8rg]

I wish this was true the akp government wants to destr0y Turkish pride and Turkish culture they want to make us Arab he literally calls the founders of turkey drūnk I wish this was true