Are these the Freakiest MTB's Ever?

[@keirfarnum6811]

I used to race XC in Alaska in the early 90s and worked in a bike shop that sold Kleins. More than a few of the people I raced against rode those things. I rode a Fat Chance Yo Eddy, and I always felt like I had the best XC race bike around. The Kleins looked beautiful, but they were too stiff and too harsh to ride; while my Yo Eddy rode like a dream and was an incredible bike. I was fortunate too in that I got an early one designed for the original welded, straight blade fork; and when I put a suspension fork on it, it raised the front end and neutralized the steering to about 69 degrees, and made it descend much closer to a modern geo bike. It was much more stable when going fast downhill, yet didn’t compromise the steering for technical riding. I got the bonus of being able to use larger tires up to 2.6 wide; which was unheard of back then. It was great for winter riding; I had 2.6 Fisher Beartrack tires studded up with sheet metal screws that I ground down the tips, and I could ride on ice that couldn’t be stood upon. If I had the money and were still riding off road, I would buy a modern Yo Eddy 29er for a hardtail backcountry bike (I would have a full sus too, but for most non-backcountry riding). Fat Chances are amazing bicycles. While the Kleins were amazingly engineered bikes that were beautiful, I never liked how they rode. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@joehoeper4648]

Doddy always delivers! Great video

[@billderas3420]

Went to Interbike in Las Vegas in the mid-ninties where designer John Castallano introduced his patented Sweet Spot suspension to Klein, Ibis, Schwinn and other manufacturers. Klein came out with the Manta which raised the pivot point above what was specified in John's patent and never paid John a dime for his design. Fortunately, both Ibis and Schwinn did use John's advanced design for their first full-suspension bikes. The Ibis Szazbo and Bow-Ti were exceptional futuristic bikes in their times.

[@madtownangler]

I got into mountain biking in 1992. I lived on a golf course and worked there so i had the trails to ride on all summer. I didnt get a full-suspension bike until maybe 2003 or so 😊

[@Tre7we88]

Another great video. Have to admit I did like the look of the Klein Mantra! Top 3 awesome bikes 1. Millyard Racing MR002. 2. Yeti C-26. 3. OG Cannondale Scalpel Just outside the top 3… so a top 10 then! 4. Look 989 5. Shaun Palmers original Intense DH bike 6. Richard Cunningham’s Nishiki Alien 7. Tom Pidcock’s Pinarello race weapon! 8. Stoll M3 9. 2012 Yeti ASR… Not the cut down seat mast though! 10. S-Bike mtb from the 90s Definitely worth a video on these and other forgotten brands… Formula Carbon mtb, Kestrel bikes, S-Bike. It would great to see something on the El Camos 00 ‘Super bike’.

[@DoddyMTBtech]

Great bikes in there! The Millyard was incredible. One of the coolest things I saw in my time at MBUK. That guy is a genius.

[@Tre7we88]

P.S. Forgot to add the Pace RC100!

[@samblenkharn8099]

Just gone down a Millyard DH bikes wormhole on KZbin because of this comment! Fascinating...

[@blairrighton6270]

that black Adroit is just gorgeous

[@DoddyMTBtech]

Yep, and it has a very cool story. It used to belong to William Nealy. Writer and cartoonist that wrote a brilliant MTB book in the 90’s. Has his graphics on the headtube. I have lots of shots!

[@blairrighton6270]

@@DoddyMTBtech lol, no way have owned a copy of his hilarious book 'Mountain Bike!' since 92/93?. however I was more of a fan what Jo Burt would dream up in mbuk every month

[@floydblandston108]

Kleins look really good hung on a wall, like in 'Seinfeld'.

[@peterwadsworth581]

SO right about Klein. Just gorgeous.

[@PeterDUDO]

Love this! I still have the dimond back poster on my wall!!!

[@edmundhodgson2572]

Love these Videos. Love that "the man" (Mondraker) let you make them. More please Doddy.

[@durden.tyler537]

Coolest old bikes - the ‘94 Manitou FS and Mountain Cycle San Andreas. Pure magic in aluminum form given the tech available at the time.

[@harindergill7221]

The Tandem (last one) was the best!🍻

[@bigbird2451]

My first ever DH race was the Leaping Lizard back in '96 or so. There was a tandem team there consisting of a GT engineer and his brave wife riding a one off tandem with a DHO with 800 lb motorcycle sourced springs. They had a loop of rope tied around the fork arch and the lower triple clamp just in case those JUDY circlips of course failed. They might have been the only contestants In the class. They won in my heart. Oh, and I rode a 22" polished Heckler with an OG Z1 and 7" GT BMX bars.

[@makingtolearn]

As someone who worked in the MTB industry in the 90's I've definitely seen my share of crazy designs. Bikes I'd love to have: 1) Sunn Radical Plus 2), RockShox LTD (designed by Trevor Lee Harris), 3) Superco Silencer 4) Appalache Real 5) Ancillotti Scarab Philippe Perakis ATZ DH bike is pretty up there for a crazy bike- low pivot URT, A arm telescopic fork that used the air shock as a structural member. ATZ built some wild bikes.

[@themike2738]

I love Klein Matras to look, never had chance to ride one. The green one from video have stunning paint.

[@AmvC]

Cemeteries are beautiful. Thanks for sharing your pictures :)

[@markk527]

hey I love my Mantra. it's still my favorite XC bike. With a modern rear shok and the lockout option descents arn't as scarry anymore.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

My dad still had his, until he passed away in 2018, we sold it to a delighted collector apparently people really liked the looks of them 😊

[@markk527]

@LaurentiusTriarius they are actually very good XC/Marathon bikes. While you are seated the suspension is great and they climb like a goat. Descents on the other hand are terrifying with the original setup. If you use your front brake, the high pivot point makes the bike fold together. The wheelbase is reduced and you have to be very careful that you don't go over the bars. If you see a Mantra, that is used today, the chances are high, that it has a 165mm rear shock instead of the original 170mm and a lockout. Both make the descents a lot less terrifying, even though blocking the suspension downhill seems counter intuitive.

[@francisdee9955]

thanx for the vid! miss you on gmbn!

[@FirestormAA]

Been a while Doddy! Love ur show! cheers mate!!!

[@amc_sounds]

First gen Bomber Z1's were released to the public in 1996. Total game changer ❤‍🔥

[@floydblandston108]

I love to see old DVD's of guys like Richie Schley riding the NW on hardtails sporting Zokes.😁

[@jokermtb]

Had a Z-2 BAM (and also a Z1 on a later bike), and it felt like you could plow into almost anything back then.....I miss the easy oil changes and drop in bushing replacement.....I bet these would still rate high even today.

[@jokermtb]

Slingshot bikes were wildly popular in Michigan (where they were invented originally) for XC racers and riders. Like anything else, it just was too weird to catch on, but they did ride great. I did have the pleasure (?) of riding Trek's 1992 full suspension, the 9000, and it was literally the worst kinematic I've ever experienced with a bike. It bobbed just from looking at it. Also pushed a Klein Mantra around Winter Park Colorado in the 1990's, the bike actually climbed really well, but you had to take your feet off the pedals for the downhills or get your legs turned into jelly.....the AMP B-3 that came after was far better looking, and riding........then the Turner Burner, another quantum leap forward....and.......come to think about it, all those bikes were kinda weird!

[@keirfarnum6811]

That’s exactly why I didn’t care for Kleins. Too stiff! They rattled the rider going downhill. I was a Fat Chance Yo Eddy rider when I raced XC in Alaska in the early 90s and I always felt like I had the superior bike.

[@Emz_Jhaye]

The Balfa BB7 is sick! 😍🔥🔥🔥

[@ballunix]

if we're including fun frame builders making frankensteins, Dan Hannebrink had his all terrain bike which used shaved down ATV tires and a wild drivetrain , but ultimately was, i think, basically the old manitou forks-on-both-ends style. of course, compared to almost any URT it was still a work of art

[@yuri_on_youtube]

I agree, the Klein hardtails are beautiful and definitely the nicest welds even today. I live in near Chehalis, Washington (where Kleins were made pre-Trek) and ride with some of the original employees from time to time.

[@samblenkharn8099]

Nice one Doddy. Top content as ever. My top ten would include a Giant ATX1 DH like Warner used to ride, and blue white and red GT DHi. The nineties Marin hardtails with zolitone paint job, and matching day-glo forks and bar/stem were also fab. I liked the Kona Stab with the big coil shock for its beefy look. Ditto the Orange patriot/222 for its swingarm that looked like a girder 😅. Got a soft spot for the Whyte Prst1 too, just because of how it was marketed and received at the time. People thought it was the future lol.

[@wcubbin]

I lusted after a Klein Mantra back in the day! I've since seen reviews that say they were terrifying to ride 😬. Not as handsome as a modern full susser, but compared to what else was on the market in the mid 90s it looked amazing.

[@PaDaZ83]

That Klein bikes still look amazing today. The ridged ones of course.

[@marksandoval5361]

I had a Schwinn Unified Rear Triangle bike for about two weeks. At that time, Schwinn was a serious mountain bike maker. The bike bobbed so much that I took it back. It was my first full-sus bike. It was many years later before I bought another full-sus bike.

[@cspower7259]

Came for the BMW pic, now going away looking for a Tora. So many bikes I'd forgotten about.

[@dbohnsai1011]

The bike I absolutely drooled over in early 2000s would have to be Kona Stab Primo. Later that got usurped by the V10, back when the 10 meant 10 inches😂

[@MachuDidgeridoo]

1: Cannondale Super V, the bike that changed my life in 1999 2: Raleigh XXIX belt drive, early 29er singlespeed 3: 2020 Trek Fuel, cuz it got me imto the modern era

[@francisyockey8225]

Sintesi always get mentioned for the bromont/verlichi, but the sintessi bazooka 3 was one of the nicest looking downhill bikes ever made

[@KieranGraves]

My all time favourite bikes , intense m1 (second version ) the 2011 foxy rr (the green one with the gold link) the summum you mentioned azonic steelhead and the green scott voltage fr20

[@mcmarshallcluhan6884]

Realized I hadn't been subscribed, fixed that! Love these, would 100% watch you do your own tech segments like hackbodge & bike vault if you wanted to solicit user submittals too!

[@zethjugos1250]

Mondrakers are def the pioneers with the long low and slack bikes...the first real departure from RB based geometry...and the MTB world is all the better for it❤

[@AlFrEDo-EllIs]

I know it's a weird bike, and it gets a lot of hate, but I love Trek's Y22. Purely iconic!

[@brew62]

Growing up in Manhattan during the birth of mountain biking, we had a really nice bike shop, known as TOGA (now know as GOTHAM which always had great inventory. I recall always had Top notch inventory. one day a customer test riding a SLING SHOT, gorgeous, but very odd mountain bike. Potential customer client on the bike and sped off around the block. Minutes later, he returned the bike and said to the shop salesman “ this thing not be sold to the general public!! 😅

[@allanbuchan6947]

Doddys face at 12:10 , pure disgust . Brilliant .

[@GIFD]

There was a bike called the Chic Shock or similar, maybe made by Balfa, it used rubber bands mounted externally for the suspension. I'm not sure if it was only the fork on a hardtail or if it had also rear suspension. I live near Bromont and started biking in that period, I remember that bridge, it was scary. I never jumped it.

[@sylvaindrapeau6984]

Bromont ?? There's a bike called Bromont ... I can't believe that ! That's my local mountain, an hour travel from home. Had season pass like 20 years ago for many years. We never tried to gap the whole wooden thing, but I know exactly what it is ;) Was not even aware that some bike was called after that mountain, so funny ! For those who don't know, that moutain is like 3-4 hours travel from this year's DH cup (mont Sainte-Anne).

[@Bertie..]

I was a sponsored rider for Bianchi in the 90's. I got to test pre production models. Check out the Super G with its double pivot rear end.

[@Piperb7]

Nicolai Nucleon gearbox bikes have to be some of the most horrific looking of all time, though respect to them for trying. And you can't talk crazy Balfa without mentioning the nouveau riche ! Superco Silencer also tried to bring back the BMW designs

[@daz_the_cyclist8961]

Top 3 1 Yeti C26 2 Fat chance shock-a-billy mark 2 3 Yeti ARC

[@floydblandston108]

Any Lawill Schwinn beats all three.

[@daz_the_cyclist8961]

@floydblandston108 but I already have a Yeti Lawwill DH6

[@Stussy787]

Dave Cullinan used to ride for Kuwahara during his BMX racing days.

[@Metal-Possum]

My 1996 Santa Cruz Heckler is still my favourite bike. It looks like the prototype for a modern trail bike, with the right setup it rides surprisingly modern compared to other bikes of its era, mine measures in around 66 degrees up front with a 100mm Z1 Bomber, Rock Shox Super Deluxe in the back, coil sprung, oil dampened. It's just a really really great bike, yet when I overtake slowpokes on the climbs, or park it in the rack outside the cafe at the local bike park nobody even bats an eyelid... I do have a Trek-era 1999 Klein Attitude Race though, 1.5kg for the frame, internal cable routing, blue fade paint. People definitely stop to look at it. I had a 1997 GT LTS that was horrendous, I hated the way it behaved under braking, and it felt like I was sitting on top of the bike, rather than in the bike like my Heckler. I sold it very shortly after acquiring it.

[@davidpinnington213]

Finally sold my BMW TMX earlier this year - with 26/4x3.0's siesmic hubs and avy our back and super monster t up front - weighed 36kg and had its own gravity well too - a beast and may well reappear online next year with new owner - fancied a Balfa back when but BMW came along at right price

[@DoddyMTBtech]

BMW bikes are a thing of obscure beauty. Quite legendary now too!

[@durden.tyler537]

Yellow Dee Max wheels. Way cool!

[@norbertglummercz1406]

open bath marzocchis..agh no coating on inner bits, 2 rides after the fresh oil change everything was the pretty same gray oily sludge

[@carymcreynolds]

You forgot to mention the Mantra design would force all the weight forward going downhill. A lot of people became lawn darts.

[@DoddyMTBtech]

Haha, thanks for that! Also, I’m borrowing lawn darts 🎯 😂

[@GregLanz]

Way back in the 90's when I got my first decent job and was able to buy my first new mountain bike I was tempted by the Klein but the Trek was similarly equipped but cheaper and I cheaped out. I still regret it as I agree Klein made the best looking bikes around

[@floydblandston108]

The Klein Mantra (and the URT design generally) get a lot of flak they don't deserve, usually from those who don't understand how they work. Firstly, low pivot URT's *are* junk. High ones- like the Klein- were meant to be used WITHOUT a sprung fork, and *with* a rider capable of understanding and using the changing effects of actively loading and unloading to effect ride and handling to the terrain. They were never meant to be big travel DH bikes, but a means of bringing suspension to lightweight XC frames.

[@StephenOconnor-c4t]

Hi great channel i do recall a bike it had square tubing forgot the name think it was in the 90s think forks were ridged had a metal brushed finish really big welds on it 🎉

[@hannahtaylor8996]

it was made by pace cycles,

[@koosb8162]

That tandem is the Quasimodo of bikes

[@DoddyMTBtech]

😂

[@myrants5836]

When I look at that Mondraker it still makes me so angry that this industry forced us off 26" wheels. They were the best wheel size. As soon as I went to the bigger sizes the fun factor became far less. They should have left the choice there. I bet if you got on board that Mondraker it will still ride amazing now. Smiles for miles!

[@Stussy787]

The first Slingshot production bikes were actually BMX race bikes back in the early 80's.

[@PhyRexia.]

TOP TEN. YES please!

[@JamiedoesWildBikepacking]

Three bikes for me, well 4- Manitou HT Klein Adroit Chas Robert’s DOGS BOLX Pace RC200

[@jacobusdegroot7557]

Happy Halloween!

[@JamiedoesWildBikepacking]

Hey Doddy, wasn’t there an Adroit years ago in MBUK with the design of Mint Sauce completely covering it? I can’t find a pic of it anywhere though

[@charlesholland6851]

I kinda want a Mantra for city rides. One honorable,enrion should be the Proflex. I have a 95 855. An absolute beauty in my opinion. But it feels like you’re riding on the handlebars! So awkward!

[@EdFormer]

Bright pink Cove Peeler

[@jeffreyhoops3611]

I have a Klein Attitude with the night storm paint and a GT STS 200 carbon fiber with aluminum joints and a RS DHO and a Jamis Diablo carbon monocoque with a Manitou triple clamp fork all bikes that were not cookie cutter bikes.

[@jeffreyhoops3611]

The last bike looks like it was on the roof rack when they tried to get in the garage!

[@markpeterson8978]

Yes you should do a top ten show, and bye the way this show was wicked good. What do you think of a modernized Sling-shot concept using modern materials and perhaps a pivot where the flex plate was on the old version? Well done Sir. and have a great Halloween. Cheers - M

[@skinheadjc]

Surely some of the scariest and 'best' bikes must be some of the 90's Cannondale concept bikes - made in colab with Alex Pong

[@DoddyMTBtech]

Yes! The roller skate bike 😂

[@skinheadjc]

@@DoddyMTBtech that one would be the scariest to ride!! 😱😂

[@AnnaOnTheBike]

Cool old tat 😉

[@chrisarnold462]

9:02 - why does that bike have a brake disc AND Magura HS33 rim brakes?

[@hippotek1]

Check: Mantis Flying V Grove Innovations Hardcore Trimble Inverted 4 S'bike Daytona 729 Four of the freakiest hardtail MTBs ever made.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I had purchased my 03 BB7 from a dude from my region named Marc-André he was more of a XC racer than a downhiller, he sold me the bike as "broken" TBH all it needed was gallons of red loctite 😂🤟

[@andrewh7868]

9:05 -- Does that have both rim and disk brakes?

[@digbysirchickentf2315]

I am wondering about the pedal kick-back on that Iron horse bike.

[@jokermtb]

It had ALL the kickback you could ask for...........

[@digbysirchickentf2315]

@@jokermtb Yeah, after I commented, I saw he mentioned it wasn't good.

[@DerekWalmsley-v3h]

Tremendous vid

[@TheJimmy303]

Sometimes I'm a bit disappointed, I think Doddy is old enough to know all the old shit, and No, a Balla BB7 is not over complicated, it's simplicisity on its peak, lBrokkyns too.

[@chrisosborne6957]

Cant believe the Soft ride didn't make the list

[@DoddyMTBtech]

It was in a recent video I made! But yep - terrifying and fugly! Yet kind of cool! 😎

[@bushnut8305]

Still ride a bike with a single crown Shiver.....

[@billderas3420]

Top 10 pleeeeze!

[@mountaincruiser817]

Seth rides a slingshot on his channel and he's not at all disgusted about the ride quality. To each there own I quess.😅

[@norbertglummercz1406]

Banshee bikes,deviate bikes,tomac

[@withneilw9146]

How do all these bikes way £s? Same as a £50 note or £50 in pennies?

[@Lennart.R.LK.Bonsai]

Nicolai 2MXTB

[@あのにます-o1h]

Original Klein bikes. Their sealed BB sucked tho.

[@MikeF814]

I think all the Haibikes are ugly. More so the older versions. Best looking bike in my opinion was my Santa Cruz super 8 with 888s. Absolutely loved that 👌

[@rexwilliamson7583]

Allsop Softride..... The worst MTB of all time!

[@cunning-stunt]

Jordan Boostmaster is still running a Marzochi Monster T on one of his bikes and hitting road gaps with it among other things. He's still tuning it.

[@floydblandston108]

If you can find parts, any old Marzocchi still makes a very good 'set it and forget it', simple, low maintenance fork. We've got one on a DH frame that's been used for everything from an entry level trainer for kids to a full-on race bike; just open 'em up and change the oil, springs, and caps.

[@mranderson3927]

ProFlex...

[@joshkeith9068]

In terms of disgusting bikes it's hard to go past everything Ellsworth ever produced

[@DoddyMTBtech]

😂

[@floydblandston108]

What!? Were you molested by someone on an Ellsworth or something?? 🤔🤯

[@jokermtb]

I miss the old Ellsworth vs Turner thang............

[@bertusbob]

👍👍👍👍

[@drahoslavhorvath]

Most disgusting bike for me is Crussis e-Country

[@thecatsonholiday5932]

The most disgusting bike i have ever seen was the kier starmer.

[@TOPMOSTPOP]

When it comes 2bikes Mike just goes round starry eyed hit thbuy button like a dillusional 2year old just based on visual hit&feeling = feeling u way round on god evn knows what maybe crowd appeal? Popularity& #'s count impress thguyz "look good on th hiway" who evn knowz. If everybodyelse does it Sergio can't be right. Bible say "Broad& spacious is thway of cmplete idiot& narrow &cramped& rare as a diamond is that 1person on this earth (actually) KNOWS how 2build a bike& HIS name is Sregio." Mikes nerve endingz is yr God& after that also believing sduff theez satanic a$$holez state is superiour - based on yr relentless faith in a brochure where artwork&curb appeal u king vs sound engineering. That's fine. If u understand all this that u buying feel good collectable vintage sht bike but Mike as a rule perpetually isn't even aware of this have a clue. A 650 1978 Special is thworlds best engine or bike... Really? By their FRUITS u will know them. If Mike in a cabin gets hot all day from only 1fire THATS thmethod is real incredible even = sound mature righteous engineering "made in Thailand" caliber. Thailand Surly brand engineering manufacturing = best frend u have least of 10evils mind u all thoze boyz Thailand put 2gether nowhere even remotely evn near on my level or ever will be (less my input.) All labels lies. Yahweh himself told us this. Mike school perpetually refuse believe this& if Satan's kids tell him a stove pipe must be tilt up 1" per ft he strictly abides by that LAW. Tilting pipe up from horizontal cause water constantly circulate back& 4th pipe clog pipe shut 3 x's a year with sticky wet goo. I am on year 2 haven't cleaned pipe. Oh but u use dry wood. 1fire can drip nearly 1 gallon water sucked in from humid air2 turn chimney insides in 2thick black layers clogging goo. My pipe never clogged or cleaned@all. Know this any rigid bike u buy going 2STILL be shit cmpared 2if u just do what I keep telling u years on end now = let me choose yr components 4u absolutely nobody holds a fading candle 2me. In building a bike I am thking of kings& &the only epicenter that yr finger balance that spinning basketball on just like I am in woodstoves &many other avenues. Mike gonna buy a bike pre made by theez college kids& set in thr wayz lazy old twisted delusional backstab money grabbers. Theez 1/2 a$$ lazy diluted so called engineers hinge on endless perpetually twisted research where thr 1thought = pocket customers money only curb appeal if shithedz want it build it 4them #'s count will fuel my bank. Nobody as exhaustive based on accuracy/reality as I am NOBODY. Nobody gonna research thnet 2get abysmal price components like I wouldv. We already been thru this. In meticulous detail I explained each component exhaustively 2Mike who then juss kept buying@ an absolute steal yet another $50 vintage legend or feel good nostalgia paperboy bike spaghetti flimsy with sht brakes &inferior everything else bike& from top 2bottom. Thday i knew I lost thrace with Mike engineering wise was when Mike sat in thcabin experiencing how 1 fire kept cabin way warmer then sht stoves theez idiots use online then u tell me it doesn't work. It's impossible. Smoke can't travel downhill. "regulations state pipe must tilt 1" per so&so ft upward." Those are demons writing thoze "regulations" it's cmplete bllshit. Nobody would do it = why Satan makes it a LAW. Some people have generational curses yr crowd up in Minnesota = epitome of toxic mentality in that u all hump yr 1936 Indian motorcycle passions or vintage art impress thnext guy 👏 clap meter appeal& bleev on faith& labels vs mature actual mature sound righteous engineering& not profoundly obviously demons demonic law. Dual suspension bikes aren't real they a label looks really cool on paper where $70 made in Thailand spring shocks are cool but $670 air shocks are eye candy 🍬 heaven u only hope 2lust after owning someday. Air shocks dont wrk. They perhaps COULD, but why tell customers if u making an absolute KILLING on smthing u KNOW doesnt wrk& yr rent is due? Thportal thru which u guyz view yr bike universe = thee epitome of demonic satsn school personified thhvery source of infection plagues this entire planet where learning curve non existent. They? don't even list specifications anymore? Oh but it gets bettr... people? Aren't phased by zero specs!!! They wanna click on a video hear a cool sound and see shiny parts sparkling with handsome hired models atop bikes they never learned 2ride. Marketing: 13 paragraphs idiot hired 2 say how great&noble bosses company iz paint a picture. Theez a$$holes don't make bikes they make money they are cmputr controlled by Satan NOT AN ANALOGY &he? DOESNT ALLOW BIKES he HATES bikes & he owns this matrix so u have2 think outside of thdeliberately POISONED box plastered with his labels. In conclusion, Front shocks syndrome. ALL theez absolute shthedz buying bikes Amazon think front suspension 2.7lb heavier anchor that doesn't even wrk is a step 4ward. At what point do u sit on a bike look down yet not able 2c in black& white THOZE FORKS ISNT EVN MOVING. Need fat front tire with 120 TPI ultra supple thread count. Not only on microscopic pavement irregularities it glassy smooth, but your bike is going MUCH MUCH faster & it feels like u have an engine. Trust me u have never ever experienced such a tire. (Old school tubulers) All mainstream engineers controlled by Satan. He hit thdelete button on fast tires in 1990 98.78% tires now are dreadful boat anchors rolling resistance.