Are They Christian?

[@Liminalplace1]

Great program today guys. It's a good push back to those many "heresy hunters" online. Unity in essentials diversity in non-essentials.

[@lilmisspeace]

I believe diversity is actually essential. The Godhead three persons express to us that diversity is part of who our God is, therefore diversity is valuable... otherwise we might as well prescribe to Unitarianism...🤔 but I think context is key.

[@jeandutoit7127]

Wow guys amazing video. Discerning of christian faith is so important and so neglected by the church. I just want to thank you Josh and Michael for how you have renewed my interest in scripture and how you have made me realised why it is important to always educate yourself about your faith and the scripture. There's so much things I have never realised about myself and my faith before I discovered your channel.

[@lrlasvegas6427]

Remnant Radio is such a blessing!

[@TheCuzClan]

Brilliant discussion 👍🏻

[@timothytrudgen8881]

Doctrine and gospel is not the same. Doctrine can tie us in theological knots, but Gospel gives life.

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

Amen. It's the Gospel proves Christianity. Did Jesus die for your sins, and is He the ONLY WAY to Eternal Life. Simple.

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Love this, thank you brothers.

[@brookeslikes]

YES!! Sound Doctorine! Thank you!

[@Highfivechurch]

The quality of the video is getting better each week. Especially The color in the background and lighting. The Audio is way better in this video!! Less compressed and it sounds more authentic👏

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Caleb Gibson - High Five Church: glad you like it.

[@TheNathanMac]

I think the majority of people's problems with the Todd White interview was it was clear he didn't actually know what he believed. So much so that you seemed to be spoon feeding him. It's great what you guys are doing :)

[@michelhaineault6654]

peoples believes in lies because they are born at night.They cannot love the true Jesus or the true Father.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

And with that it’s clear he should be teaching no one. He needs to have a saving faith

[@lilmisspeace]

I am a 10+ year old Christian and just started bible college. I was shocked - SHOCKED! - at how much I didn't know or understand about what I was professing to believe!! I am called to teach and a leader wants me to "stop relying on myself and studying and trust the spirit" which I feel is a spiritual manipulation and at its core an abuse and an attempt to lead me astray! Our churches are so littered with dangerous ideas practices and teachings these days, it is mindblowing!!

[@alexvolosin3562]

You guys should invite Steve Gregg to your show. That humble man has insane knowledge of scriptures. He can have a great talk on any subject.

[@chrisriniosu7353]

Great video guys !

[@AllThingsArePossible]

You should try and interview Scott Hahn a great catholic scholar !

[@Lillaloppan]

Thank you so very much 😊🙏

[@orderofeden8599]

Great episode! I think I prefer it when it’s just you two discussing things- Skype interviews get tough especially when the other person has a bad setup, lol. Curious though- you said you consider most Catholic soteriology outside the camp because it adds works: how do you separate that from Eastern Orthodox beliefs? I know you’ve had that EO woman on a couple times (awesome episodes!) but they hold the James view of faith as “if there are no works then it isn’t real faith” so then a man is saved by faith and works. How does that differ from the Catholic teaching in your opinion- also keeping in mind that the language used in the council of Trent would have been highly charged and reactionary against the Reformation. My struggle with it is that someone who believes in Sola Fide would typically agree that if faith doesn’t produce works (a changed life) than it likely isn’t real faith, but EO and RC churches, who hold to faith and works (or faith that produces works) would consider the thief on the cross saved even he had no works to speak of. So I guess I’m curious as to 1) is the debate splitting hairs in your opinion (especially knowing that the East never had issue with seeing faith and works as intimately connected) and 2) why do you consider EO in the camp enough to have them on the show, but not RC? I’m baptist-ish btw so I have no dog in this fight, lol, just curious.

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Great question! Tbh, there is some internal debate between us about this issue. When I read Frederica Mathewes Greene’s articulation of justification by faith in EO, it sounded Protestant. The same goes for Hank Hanagraaf’s response to John MacArthur, which you can find on KZbin. On the other hand, I spoke with a former EO this week who says that their Gospel includes works within EO. What both Josh and I lack are firsthand readings of EO church dogma. We are going off what EO folks have told us about their doctrine. I asked the former EO to send me what he can find regarding official EO doctrine on the subject. If it seems to conflict with Scripture, I would like to then pass it along to Frederica and see what she says. I think sometimes, for both RCC and EO, its hrs to honestly find out what they believe. I have read entire books on the subject, and still walked away not knowing for sure. I will say, tho, that there are both saved and unsaved people in every tradition-RCC, EO, and Protestant. Not everyone believes their precise church dogma. We are trying to find out more! We treasure your prayers as we seek discernment on this and many things. God bless

[@orderofeden8599]

@@michaelrowntree2005 thanks for the thoughtful answer brother. And it's interesting that you see hank's answer as sounding protestant- because it's his answer to the question of faith and works where I saw, "oh it's a james definition of faith that requires works" and made me think there might be hairsplitting going on in both camps. Thanks for what you guys are doing!

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Order of Eden haha yea... well most Protestants will agree with Martin Luther who said, “Faith alone saves, but not faith that is alone.” I do think James’ use of “justified” is different from Paul’s. It more takes the sense of “vindicated” in James, as in, “faith plus works vindicate that our faith was real.” So I don’t see contradiction between James and Paul.... But to your point, it’s really hard to know what Hank precisely meant, or anyone, without really talking it through, which can lead to hair splitting for sure. I am eagerly seeking to understand EO and RCC better, and it has been quite hard. Great thoughts!

[@VeryBasicBible]

Just to clear it up and maybe add some more thoughts on this. First the context: Josh named the Nicene Creed, then named Catholics, Protestant, Orthodox. Michael went on to say “...Catholics?” because y’all don’t interview Catholics. In then explaining why he (Josh) could say Catholics, he first encouraged us to read widely in the Christian Faith and named some names of divergent but generally agreed upon Christian people. Then went on to explain how yes, some Catholics are saved but Catholicism denies a central Christian tenant. Ok, I typed “you said the names of many Christians that are generally agreed upon, but you didn’t name Todd White or Greg Boyd” (or something very close). When y’all read it it seemed as though y’all misunderstood- I don’t fault anyone for misunderstanding stuff typed over live chat while doing a KZbin video, that context is ripe for miscommunication. So here’s what I meant: Instead of just naming two (Todd White and Greg Boyd, prominent open theist) I should’ve named more, and not named Todd at all as it was distracting. For instance, Josh didn’t say “Be read widely, read Greg Boyd, Fred Phelps, Sunny Hernandez, Steven Anderson.” Instead he named names that most will all agree are Christians, names that won’t get automatically called out. “Uhm... so what’s your point B.J.” Oh yeah, my point. Here it is: In explaining why Catholics aren’t under orthodoxy, you prefaced it by naming some orthodox theologians from different stripes. But by naming those who most already agree with and not super controversial ones (like the ones I named), that presupposes “we already know who the real Christians are”, before we went on to talk about discerning who the real Christian are. So it’s like we’ve already decided beforehand. Or something like that. Later y’all had to say who y’all agreed we’re orthodox, named Church of Christ and others. But before all this, before saying “How can we discern who a real Christian is?” we were already naming a bunch of real Christians and leaving others out. If we really want to be fair and logical we’d not have named any at all beforehand, especially in the context of “Why aren’t these guys orthodox?” Sorry for the extra long and probably confusing explanation, I just wanted to explain myself. You guys really are great 🙂 Keep fighting the good fight.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

B.J. Allen thanks for the clarity BJ. Man that makes perfect sense. I only mention those guys because they’re orthodox but are definitely in different tribes. But I can see what you mean I was trying to decipher those of the fridge.

[@nathanweisser]

I will say, my dad is actually one who says Jesus came back in 70 AD in spirit to judge Israel, but he also looks forward to a third coming of Jesus where there will be a future resurrection. So, he's not full preterist but he's definitely more preterist than some, and he's definitely still a part of Christian communion, according to my reformed baptist pastor at least ;)

[@holmeselectric9]

Man I sure hope I make the cut!

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

LOL! Their theological studies make many things more difficult for every day Christians than God intended. IT'S SIMPLE. Jesus said MY YOKE IS EASY. If a person believes that Jesus sacrificed HIMSELF FOR THEIR SINS, and ROSE in the flesh. That he is the ONLY WAY to eternal life. . . THEY are a Christian. I quit watching after sloshing through 23 minutes and wrote what I just said to you.

[@robinq5511]

Hymenaeus was not a preterist in that day because he said the resurrection was past, although he was a heretic. His heresy about the resurrection was probably gnostic but more than that counted as blasphemy because he was denying the judgment that was coming soon that was to accompany the resurrection of the dead.

[@laurens8623]

hi from norway. hope youre all well. is it every wednesday you post content.

[@bridgitmorris740]

Good stuff.

[@lindapb6529]

What is up, Guys, I didn't get my notification! Bell on and everything...good sound this time though, ;^) Good show; loved the subject matter(s). Couple questions about the fellowship issue -- Do you -- either of you -- believe that having friendships with people from other religions is wrong? If so, do you break off these friendships? I realize "fellowship" may not include "friendships"; but this what I'm trying to understand here, as "fellowship" has a connotation of "religiosity" or spiritual sisterhood; while friendship may or may not ??

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Do you remember my example about the guy who gets saved in “First Baptist Church,” in an altar call? Do you remember Josh’s response about the difference between denying these doctrines and not yet knowing them? How did you understand that part?

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Lol, ignore my last response I intended that for someone else 😂

[@michaelrowntree2005]

And thanks for the question! I think we must build friendships with people of other religions to “make disciples of all nations.” The Greek Word for fellowship essentially/generally means “the sharing of life,” and in the Bible it is always among Christians. So the Bible distinguished between friendship and fellowship. Fellowship always includes friendship, but friendship does not always include fellowship.

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Not sure about the notification! I’ll check on that. I’ve heard someone else mention the same thing about Tuesday shows.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

1 John 2:23; 4:15 The only thing we can boast about is our belief that Christ is the Son of God who died and rose. We cannot earn salvation through our good deeds, baptism, fully understanding of the Trinity not even repentance because it is Christ who brings us to repentance and understanding. Christ has (All) the glory for our salvation (All). Only Christ knows the root/heart of (every) believer. Romans 10:9 Matthew 5:8 John 6:37-47 Ephesians 2:8-9 Isaiah 12:2 Revelation 3:16-17 2 Timothy 2:24-25

[@stevensonrf]

So do you guys ever interview Roman Catholics are orthodox Christians?

[@jordanleemumm6553]

They have a couple great interviews with Orthodox author Frederick Matthewes-Green but I haven’t seen them interview any Catholic Christians

[@hiddetjevanderwaal2827]

Thank you for the program. I have a question regarding your comments on 1 John, that anyone who acknowledges that Jesus has come into the flesh is of God. But Roman Catholic doctrine asserts this too, so are genuine Roman Catholics saved then in your view, despite their wrong view of justification?

[@justinsmitley7619]

I heard that in the original text instead of the word begotten son it's actually unique son.. God so ever love the world that he gave his unique sun. Have you heard this as well?

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Hi Justin! Correct. Check out John 3:16 in the NIV versus the NKJV. NIV says “one and only” and NKJV says “only begotten”. It’s the same Greek word, translated differently. A good cross reference is Heb 11:17, which refers to Isaac as Abraham’s “only begotten son” (NKJV) or “one and only son” (NIV). Isaac was not the only son. Ishmael was also “begotten” of Abraham. But Isaac was unique bc he was the son of the covenant.

[@justinsmitley7619]

@@michaelrowntree2005 Wow, thanks brotha! God bless

[@michaelrowntree2005]

Justin Smitley 👍👍👍

[@keckiebooks]

Based on the discussion at around 55:00 - 58:00 or so--applying this to the president-how can Christians accept him. I like Josh's statement: paraphrase: "No one is going to think You are Me." I don't want anyone thinking that Donald Trump as a Christian is remotely like a true Christian...just a side thought that popped into my mind. This was a good session today.

[@laurens8623]

maybe you can interview" the chosens" actor playing Jesus. he is roman catholic i believe. also dallas jenkins would be a great interview

[@laurens8623]

did you ask Todd White about inner healing. I thought I heard him say once he wasnt allowing that to be taught at his school.

[@emmamawhirter2822]

I agree. Would love to have y’all interview Dallas Jenkins. His ministry is amazing!

[@Leese1801]

Oh my gosh yes!!!! Dallas does a great interview with Johnathan Roumie on The Chosen app.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

It seems to me if someone believes that baptism causes regeneration -- that's "a different gospel." In other words, their gospel is 'getting baptized will save you' rather than placing trust & faith in Jesus for salvation.

[@VeryBasicBible]

@The Remnant Radio Did you guys say y'all where gonna be in Houston on the 5th? I looked at the FB page, the website, and all over youtube but couldn't find any details. I have a friend in who'd love to attend this with me. Thx for the info :)

[@TheRemnantRadio]

B.J. Allen you live in Huston?

[@VeryBasicBible]

@@TheRemnantRadio I live in Round Rock, which is basically north Austin. I used to live in Houston, my grandma lives in Houston. I'm willing to drive to Houston and bring my friend (who does live in Houston) along. fyi, I just found the FB post.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

B.J. Allen: bro I’ll get the address and we will make this happen I’d be stoked to meet up with you.

[@VeryBasicBible]

@@TheRemnantRadio Sweet.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

B.J. Allen: 3cfcfa0e4f3646def55e-cbab9c3bb9d1f9a28fb9d8117b78b2e9.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/j/0e10953708_1600698313_jack-deere-slide.png

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

Please invite Alisa Childers about her new book, about progressive christianity

[@joseesparza2345]

Where does the word Christian come from and what does it mean? Who were the first ones that came up with this title, (Christian)? And why? What makes me a Christian and who decides if am or not a Christian and why? And who gave him or them the authority to make me a christian? Personally, I think that there's two kind of Christians or believers in the world, the Christian of the world and the one who follows CHRIST. Who knows which one am I? For sure JESUS knows who I belong to. And I know that THE FATHER loves me and I THE FATHER. Without JESUS in my heart, my love for THE FATHER would not be possible. Did CHRIST came into the world and went the cross to make Christians? Does CHRIST wants me to be a Christian? What is the will of THE FATHER? GOD BLESSS

[@rosstemple7617]

Hello new to this channel and have a question. I recently had a run in with a KJV only group who I agree with that it’s the closest to the original Greek text. But then was blasted because I believe in the original language Greek and Hebrew Textus Receptus. I told them you can’t translate some words properly to English. I even brought up obey and submit; hupoarkuo and hupotasso. Children obey and wives submit. There’s a difference in the Greek. My question is in scripture alone how do you deal with translation inaccuracies. Not that they’re way off. But still translation matters. I totally see where the original language protects the doctrine. P.S. so many false beliefs come about because of not having the understanding of the original language. How say you?

[@armandodeking]

I know of a book by James White called the King James controversy, I haven’t read it but hear it’s well reviewed

[@rosstemple7617]

@@armandodeking I know he knows a bit of the Greek. Not sure original uses. James White is a Calvinist and shows a willful ignorance to scripture based out of his ideology. Sad really. I’d probably read it if someone loaned it to me, but I would never buy his stuff. It’s all going to be skewed.

[@uriahocean6968]

Sad. Well, I guess I'm a heretic because I'm a oneness pentecostal. What should I do?

[@thegracecast40]

Repent and believe in the Trinity. That’s not secondary

[@sarahkokura6349]

I would recommend dr Rob Reimer for someone to read and interview. He does great “soul care” ministry.

[@arcticfox2639]

Church of Christ believes scripture is sufficient and the indwelling Spirit is not possible. Help!!

[@TheRemnantRadio]

I am not sure I understand.

[@arcticfox2639]

@@TheRemnantRadio They teach that since the Holy Spirit inspired scripture, then you do not need any supernatural help in your Christian walk. You must get your "help" from the Word. They teach that this is "how" the Spirit dwells within. They reject anything supernatural.

[@josevelarde8589]

What about the belief that Jesus went to hell to be tortured by Satan? According to E.W. Kenyon in his book "From the Cross to the Grave," Jesus had a die a spiritual death--as his body became mortal. He then had to be born again--the firstborn among many brothers. Is this a damnable heresy, or would you just consider it error? I recently separated fellowship with a pastor who believed this--do you think this was an appropriate separation?

[@robbinsnest6163]

"It is the poo poo.... we just lost 3 viewers right there." 😂😂😂

[@timlaws2452]

I believe love will be the obvious marker for what Christians "look like. Doctrine can be relative and subjective although I would agree in fundamental doctrine. Creeds are only as good as the understanding of those making such creeds. Matthew 13:26-30 KJVS But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

[@skylercutsforth8595]

True, love is the marker of true christians. But Love does not change truth. True love is in line with the truth. Creeds attempt to give base principles of essential truths, any contradictory claim going against a true creed, even “in love”, can not be truth and also is not true love and should be rejected. Like a simple creed, “jesus is God.” Any claim or creed contradicting that truth is not based on love or truth. But yes, creeds are not all encompassing and are not meant to be, they are meant to be short statements in answer to the question, “what do you believe”. For the gray areas the bible tells us what is right and what to believe. So, no, doctrine is not relative, right? because the bible is our doctrine and is never changing and “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16-17‬ and has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness.

[@timlaws2452]

@@skylercutsforth8595 a creed is only relevant as in the proportion to what understands scripture to mean. Outside of God dying for the sins of the world, our understanding of the bible and thus creeds must shift to accommodate our evolving understanding of scripture and for that reason I find creeds to be of little significance. The only creed I believe truly matters is the one in which your heart affirms to you in your belief in Jesus Christ 😉

[@timlaws2452]

@@skylercutsforth8595 Truth is a person

[@skylercutsforth8595]

Tim Laws Yes, he is! But so is every word of the bible, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭and essentially there is no difference between the positions of the two. Validity of creeds are reliant on us accurately stating them. But truth does not change by our perception of it. I don’t really put much weight in creeds unless they’re directly in line with the word of God. Our understanding of the bible’s truths should not be ever evolving. And we can not rely on our hearts to tell us what truth is because the bible says that, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?” Jeremiah‬ ‭17:9‬

[@timlaws2452]

@@skylercutsforth8595 that only applies if the creeds are truly representing the "Word" and it's interpretation? Some creeds deny or have different understanding so your point would be???

[@laurens8623]

ulf elkman prior word of life pastor in sweden left pentecost to become catholic

[@BlastHardcheese194]

God has revealed himself in the creeds?

[@curtisw6907]

Does anyone love how these two work together ?

[@lrlasvegas6427]

I do! ☺

[@arcticfox2639]

You didn't cover the Holy Spirit as scripture and not indwelling. Church of Christ

[@twinkle90343]

the Gospel id the Gospel of the Kingdom of God - what was the ist century jewish concept of the KOG? the Torah of Moses! - as it is coined by Jesus in the Gospels! therefore the Gospel of the Kingdom is the whole of the Bible

[@nickholderman4891]

If you define 'christian' as people who embrace the creeds of the 4th century onward, you rule out two centuries of Christians, including the original apostles. Good job.

[@frednobles2485]

The way you are teaching the trinity is kind of confusing to me you say very strongly that you believe in one God and then you speak of God and three persons I thought there was three in one are we going to see three God's walking around in heaven and then you were speaking of baptism I think the question was is baptism for the remission of your sins I haven't really studied what the Bible says about that but when I was 9 years old I was in a apostolic Church and the holy Spirit drawn me down to the altar to repent and receive Jesus and a few days later I was baptized in the name of Jesus I am now 65 years old and I have never forgotten that I had such a feeling of being cleaned on the inside it was like a miracle and I was just a kid

[@williamphelps4552]

24:00 I have heard it explained like this by a Pastor. The Christian faith is like building a house backwards. The conversion/salvation experience is like everything above the ground of the house being built first. You can see it there standing. It is the pastor's job, along with other brothers and sisters in faith, to help build the foundation underneath. The doctrine and theology is the foundation we are helping put in place, along with many other things...

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

Shouldn't be so difficult to understand or explain. Do they believe that Jesus came in the flesh, sacrificed himself in the flesh, and rose in the flesh FOR your sins, as the ONLY WAY to eternal life. Simple.

[@SparkSnr777]

If Jesus was fully man, why was he not born with the same essential (sin) nature as all other men?

[@kirbae101]

Hello Bob Spark, I believe meditation on these and their surrounding scriptures may give clarity to the nature and work of Jesus: 1) Romans 5:12-21 2) Hebrews 2:10-18 3) 2 Corinthians 5:21 I sincerely hope that helps!

[@timothytrudgen8881]

We test people on there moral fruit not on their thought system (doctrines)

[@bridgitmorris740]

You appear to love these Calvin's teachers their view on TULIP is scary

[@timothytrudgen8881]

True salvation does not come from this theological language. Knowing God is relational not theological. Peter and Paul were not Trinitarian. The bible expresses different theological solutions to JC's divinity, to attonement and original sin. Sorry u and the institutional church do not get to define who is Christian. To Christians that dont understand The Trinity, dont let anyone tell you what to believe if you need to know figure it out for yourself, or just get on with living for Christ.