Are Ulster-Scots & Loyalism the same thing?

Are Ulster-Scots and Loyalism the same thing in Northern Ireland? Ethno-musicologist and loyalist band member Gordon Ramsey answers the question for an Irish TV documentary. You can watch the full documentary here... • Video
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[@LOGOS422]

Scots Irish fought against British rule in America.

[@GreenCocanix]

Scot irish and ulster scots are different

[@LOGOS422]

@@GreenCocanix Scotch Irish are Ulster Scots.

[@LOGOS422]

@James F The point is they have history for rebelling against the British crown. 1798 in Ireland too, they rebelled!

[@gordonhull7342]

@@LOGOS422 The point is, they have history for rebelling against TYRANNY. They fought Charles 1st, James 2nd, Louis 14th and Bonnie prince Charlie who were all tyrannical kings, or wished to be. Also while the Presbyterian United Irishmen in Ulster were organising and fighting in Antrim and Down, catholic militia from Monaghan were burning their homes, interning them without trial, and murdering them. Meanwhile in Scullabogue Co Wexford catholic United Irishmen were burning Protestant Irish in a barn. Isn't it a pity Mel Gibson couldn't have made truthful movies????????????

[@meyou-gi8xq]

@@gordonhull7342 you made that up

[@briandoherty245]

Wow! I wish there were more people as knowledgeable as this guy!

[@IrishRepublicanpatriot]

United Irishmen would have nothing to do with today's Ulster Presbyterians/Protestant Unionists/Loyalists or Sinn Féin IRA they where non sectarian wanted a full 32 county Irish Republic outside British control would be sceptical of EU too.

[@johnm2558]

Fun fact: during the 1641 rebellion in Ireland the rebels (initially at least) attempted to reassure the Ulster Scots that they would not be harmed on the basis that at least some of them (the MacDonalds clan for one) had a couple of things going for them : 1) they were gaelic speakers & 2) they were pre-reformation Catholic.

[@RobertEmmet1803]

The rebellion got out of hand Con O'Neill lost control of his rebel l army.

[@Denver_Risley]

I don't speak for everyone but most Scots Irish in America are most definitely not loyal to any monarch. It was the whole reason for leaving Ulster.

[@richardrich1384]

Warrior Homestead but then the Westminster confession of faith came in and Presbyterians were seen as Protestant

[@robertemmet6343]

Only the bigoted fools in Northern Ireland are and Unionist distrust and hatred of Roman Catholics.

[@TKDragon75]

My family wasn't loyalists even back then. They were Roman Catholic Ulster-Scots, who's ancestors fought the English way back when.

[@robertemmet6343]

The Real TK-Dragon! Roman Catholic Ulster Scots that is rare I thought they were mostly Protestant particularly Presbyterian.

[@robertemmet6343]

Richard Rich Still they were penalized in Ireland until the Act of Union.

[@noneoftheabove6425]

Talk about confusing

[@KimPhilby203]

Irish Catholic and love the marching bands , especially the drums...

[@robertemmet7769]

Ulster Scots Presbyterians weren't all Irish Republicans many in County Armagh tend to side Church of Ireland Protestant Ascendancy and land gentry due to sectarian violence during 1780s 90s in County Armagh involving Catholic Defenders and Protestant Peep O Day boys

[@GreenCocanix]

Ulster-Welsh are similar it's on the rise in the south of wales

[@robertkelly6849]

They are the same.

[@isotonic9002]

Ulster Scots are from Northern Ireland. There ancestors were almost always Scottish sometimes Northern English not welsh

[@adambrown1654]

Ulster Scots doesn’t mean people in Scotland who are supporters of ulster being British hahaha, your confused Ulster Scots is an ethnic identity forged through a history of 400 years in the making , an Ulster Scots person is a person who primarily comes from lowland Scotland ancestry but also northern England and Scottish highlands who’s ancestors settled ulster during the time of the plantation of ulster and together have build a unique identity through Scottish , Irish cultures and English to a certain extent. Someone from Scotland who moves to Northern Ireland now wouldn’t fit the criteria of being Ulster Scots even tho genetically and culturally would be the Similar if not the same. You could be from England and be an orange loyalist but you can’t be Ulster Scots because that’s an ethnic identity not a political identity. Some people who are of Ulster Scots Protestant ancestry are politically in favour of a United Ireland , even tho the term ulster Scot’s as parallels to orange loyalists they are not the same as this man correctly points out, your a Welsh loyalist who supports ulster being apart of the uk but you arnt Ulster Scots unless your family and ancestry settled in ulster during the plantation, and for ulster Welsh that isn’t even a term used because it’s not a thing, however Welsh loyalist is a term that could be used 🇮🇪🇬🇧👌

[@IrishRepublicanpatriot]

@@adambrown1654 Ulster Scots helped Irish patriot Wolfe Tone set up Irish Republican organisation United Irishmen in 1790s quickly how Ulster Scots Presbyterians forget that now as well many Irish Roman Catholics

[@mrtbf6664]

its been wondefull talking to the loyalists and unionists on this site, i'm a republican,im working class scottish with irish ancistory and i identifie with being irish and scottisish and working class ,thats why i joined sinn feinns sister group in scotland,i also understand now how important protestanism is to loyalism as scotland is the birth place of the covvannantore and i suppose oragism itself,like most scotts catholics ireland is the land of my faith, or why,i'm catholic now a non beleiver! in religion but never in my irish anciestors of my identity....we are all so alike in ulster and scotland...its a celtic trible thing but i cant understand is why be loyal to the un-elected monarchs who divided us and oppressed the covvanantors?

[@revsin1886]

+Robert Kelly How do propose to liquidate loyalists, then what will you do with the unionists, who don't want a untied Ireland?

[@revsin1886]

The GFA is not really usable for a democratic parliament model, a there is no room in it for a leading and an opposition party. That is its main downfall, it is set up for failing because of its both side need to agree for any thing to happen ruling. as has been seen with the austerity vote, which no agreement can be found on, can you imagine Westminster or the House to Representatives working to that model?

[@revsin1886]

Robert Kelly You misunderstand, that for the GFA to go forward we need to implement true democratic process in the assembly, as it is at the minute we will have another 20 years of non-movement, with no due political process in operation, what we have is a papering over of the cracks.

[@revsin1886]

Robert Kelly What coalition? You really don't have a Scooby do you?

[@revsin1886]

Robert Kelly You did on another video reply thread you dafty. Im all for direct rule, would it see a return to violence, I don't know, but it would effect SF/IRA as they don't sit in Westminster, or maybe this would push them into doing that...

[@kasimsultonfan]

One of the great historical mysteries is how the radical , educated & politically literate Presbyterian farmers and urban merchants & artisans of Ulster were converted from radical republicans inspired by their brethren in North America and the revolutionaries in France , to die-hard sectarian conservatives in the space of a few decades between c1790 and 1820.

[@tsar1547]

@Sean MacCartan Very unfortunate situation, the distrust and hatred between the Ulster-Scots and the native Irish. Nothing wrong with conservatism though, in fact I admire them for there opposition to abortion and immigration.

[@raleighburner1589]

I think in hindsight the Scots who were offered free land in Ireland would probably say ...fuck that

[@gustavmarie]

@@raleighburner1589 The smart ones went to Canada

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Northern ireland needs to be it's own country. Separated from both Ireland and the UK as well as not being part of EU. It needs its own currency backed by Gold and the currency should be called Dannie (as in that will be 10 Dannies please) and even establish its own mint called the ulster mint. Its own constitution (modeled after the US CONSTITUTION and Oliver Cromwell) Only Godly men should be allowed to be members of their government. Their own military which should be modeled after Cromwell's new model army. It should be historicist protestant in terms of religion. the country should rename its self to Ulster. And the first minister should be called Lord Protector instead. Of course Im only dreaming since there is zero chance that this would actually happen.

[@Driver2616]

@@Mr-pn2eh: Spoken by a person who has no idea of reality. Fact is, what we presently refer to as “Northern Ireland” was stolen from people whose descendants want it back again. They always have wanted it back. And they’ll not stop till they get it back. Stolen property always remains stolen property until it’s retrieved by its rightful owner.

[@jameslarkin8494]

What a pile of complete nonsence. You can't use the phrase Ulster/Scots as a language,it's a mixture of different dialects from different areas in Scotland. Ballymena is night and day different from South Armagh,which forces the issue,that Ulster/Scots is defunct,I.E. No-more,Never was.Irish Gaelic was on this Island before you Planters,had babies. deas bualadh leat The plantation is over,why don't you go home.

[@gustavmarie]

Per your logic, maybe the American Irish should leave Boston and New York then, give it back the Massachusett and the Lanape. Naw...didn't think so. Whenever I see the bigoted sectarian ethnonationalist horseshit between both sides online, I thank my stars my family decided to emmigrate from that gloomy, tribalistic, insignificant backwater a generation ago. Get over yourselves.

[@paulenglish7500]

@@gustavmarie yes they should

[@bpd1111]

English for those who struggle to speak it

[@Zombie_Acrobat]

Does "Ethno-musicologist" mean he can read music but hear only slogans?

[@MarkLowrie-jn2hw]

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[@bernardmolloy4463]

very true x

[@amwartwork]

Too many "isms". Thats the problem

[@garrychalmers67]

no

[@steviewisdom484]

are they BOLLOCKS

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Northern ireland needs to be it's own country. Separated from both Ireland and the UK as well as not being part of EU. It needs its own currency backed by Gold and the currency should be called Dannie (as in that will be 10 Dannies please) and even establish its own mint called the ulster mint. Its own constitution (modeled after the US CONSTITUTION and Oliver Cromwell) Only Godly men should be allowed to be members of their government. Their own military which should be modeled after Cromwell's new model army. It should be historicist protestant in terms of religion. the country should rename its self to Ulster. And the first minister should be called Lord Protector instead. Of course Im only dreaming since there is zero chance that this would actually happen.

[@fayesf9628]

Are you on crack?

[@RobertEmmet1803]

United Irishmen wanted a 32 county Irish Republic ruled by Dublin Irish Government that will be secular and non sectarian

[@conormclaughlin6971]

Kkkulture. Laughable.

[@bpd1111]

Its hilarious the dressing up in pretend military uniforms. Like over in Govan when it mattered in ww2 they hid in the shipyards.