Are we all one consciousness? Will Neuralink force mystical experiences?

[@user-kj2gf1cn1p]

thought provoking. thank you for talking on these subjects my friend! i'll be around for more.

[@goodtothinkwith]

Thank you - I’m glad that you enjoyed it!

[@RemainedAnonymous]

2:20 I have been thinking about this alot. It's crazy that we became concious here one day after a couple few billion years and didn't notice. This whole scenario is mind blowing wild and I hope it's figured out one day. I contemplate and think about it every day but I've had trouble reaching a conclusion on what life is anyway.

[@DdudeSnake13]

who says we weren't conscious? just as we barely remember our childhood, we can barely remember what it was like to be a single nucleous. I bet the feeling that manifested from there was lonliness lol. The. the part got stsrted once we reached an atom

[@RemainedAnonymous]

@DdudeSnake13 Right, but it mustn't be a memory as such that we can think about, that might be cellular memory. It's like when organ transplants change the way the recipient behaves, maybe? It's crazy and cool all at the same time!

[@thebaryonacousticoscillati5679]

My conjecture is that even if this occurs we will discover that it is no more profound than two brains being connected by a telephone: the essential nature of an individual mind perceiving the input won't change in some fundamental way about its own sense of identity, it will merely integrate any new information that comes to it that it judges worthy. My worry is the majority of these "transhumanists" and afficionado's of such technology appear to at least steer very close to the wind of fascism in their political/social views. Since a machine will be devoid of compassion this is probably not surprising. And the problem with the example of Phineas Gage is that it has always been assumed to be a material problem rather than a psychological adaptation to trauma, which merely emphasizes the tendency of modern times to explain things in terms of material causes (even qua Aristotle) rather than just causes per se (several of which are now "denied" as "real" by modernity in contrast to Aristotelian causation, for instance - and I'm not here defending his notions against modern conceptions as such, merely pointing out that there has been a sea change due to an overall change in world view ie no teleology is believed in now, for instance, which ultimately seems to be self-referential: there is no evidence for it (but no evidence against it either). But another thought provoking video. I can't help but muse pointlessly on what Eckhart and Aquinas' position might have been on neural implants... :)

[@BlackbodyEconomics]

I've never liked that retort about brain damage indicating that the material is the generator of mind either; often delivered by the very same people who love spouting the ultimate canned response, "correlation does not imply causation". Yet they don't seem to pick up on the disconnect there. I can think of five hypothetical scenarios off the top of my head which could explain the odd behavioral changes in cases like Gage, split-brain patients, certain epileptic cases, frontal lobe damage cases, etc. (spiritual reality/matrix-like reality/higher-dimensions/actual materialism/brain is a non-spiritual 'antenna'/Orch OR theory/etc.) I mean, you could probably come up with a pretty long list of different reality configurations that would fit that bill. They just want it to be 100% mechanical/material so badly that it's impossible to get them to even entertain alternative possibilities. Anyway :P

[@DdudeSnake13]

there is an animated film called Ghost in the Shell (1995) that plays on this topic so well. Absolutely one of my favorite films of all time.

[@Hoseaistheone]

The electronic step into the Noosphere? Somebody has to mentioned it...a term coined by Teilhard in his Cosmogenesis and developed by Vernadsky, who pushed Teilhard’s Law of Complexity/Consciousness to another level, which is an explanation of the nature of evolution of thought/consciousness in humans. This evolution, which Teilhard believed was inevitable, would result in some form of a super-consciousness. It is difficult for me to imagine this happening “naturally” before humanity destroys itself. It takes a lot of time to create a suitable vessel to hold and manage such a change. As someone once said you can’t put New Wine into Old Wine Skins. So, how would an electronic device affect humanity? I tend toward the view of the comment below by which the psyche would integrate what it found useful and move on. The ego developed to insure human survival in an unfriendly environment. As individuals who meditate realize, setting aside the ego is not an easy task. It begs the question, “Just what would it (consciousness) move on to?”

[@BlackbodyEconomics]

Meta-consciousness? Or simply nothingness? If you read my response - I've started leaning toward the idea that consciousness is equivalent to a sort of "active" nothingness. I've arrived at this from personal experiences, others' personal experiences, and just trying to hammer it all out in my own mind. I do accept that I could be completely wrong though :P hah

[@stevegabrielle126]

I either have a lot of experience with the metaphysical since childhood as well as meditation, during my discovery I found a lot of identies/personhoods or conscious agents were living in another realm or reality in my head. I have looked into schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder, however they are instant as to how real they are. So I have to wonder if at some point did we not already create neurolink type technology and due to people's mental fitness, they were not able to deal with their multiple identifies so they just blocked them out? I've not read the work of the theories you have mentioned but I'm certainly going to look into it as I search for answers. I'm not sure I'm not crazy either, I guess with neurolink coming online, time will tell, but I have these experiences all day every day and in the dream state as well. It is overwhelming.

[@DdudeSnake13]

​@@stevegabrielle126consider that the multiple voices are still just you (👁️ i) when boiled down to one consciousness

[@RemainedAnonymous]

This was really good, thank you.

[@pytime8621]

So good. Thank you

[@xerse29]

Forcing mystical experiences can’t happen. Mystical experiences is a realization of the illusion one holds over themselves. And it’s only within that realization where you let yourself go that the mystical experience happens. It can’t happen if the only pre requisite for mystical experiences is the exact opposite of force

[@goodtothinkwith]

To some extent yes, though mysticism is a “seeing.” And we can and do see differently by certain jarring experiences

[@GGTutor1]

Personally, I think a lot of the claims of AI and Neuralink are all hype. They are nowhere near even beginning to understand how to do this. However, you raise interesting questions. I think you can see in the split brain experiments for treatment of epilepsy that there is already more than one mind in the brain. There is only one consciousness though, and these selves were only perceived one at a time and not really aware of each other. This communication between the hemispheres is somewhat like a link of two brains.

[@davidgordon7717]

I wonder what Phillip K Dick would have made of all this-I think C S Lewis would be appalled. It to me had a nightmarish quality about it. I suppose people will say it’s okay between consenting adults!!

[@Livin-In-a-Box]

This would be a good question for cephalopagus twins. Is wind one wind? If a tree falls and two people hear it, did it make a sound? (Yes, it probably made two sounds depending on the relative distance of the observers). I prefer to think that consciousness is one substance held in many containers. Sort of like a cornucopious crock pot full of stew (consciousness), and each person gets a spoonful (limited conscious experience) to imbibe their portion of stew in their own way (unique cognitive experience)... The self is something other than consciousness. There might be two selves, so to speak. The "true/collective" self is all the recorded experiences including early formation of senses and consciousness (onto-genesis+implicit memory, explicit memory) , the "formal" self is the directors cut (Central executive + working memory). In the case of Phineas Gage, parts of his collective self were no longer in the same shape, and some of the resources belonging to the "formal self" might have been affected as well. I imagine some neuralink experiences might affect personality a great deal. TLDR: Share the stew but don't cross spoons... unless you are REALLY into that sort of thing

[@DdudeSnake13]

Unfortunately I think "enlightenment" will flash before our minds eye and briefly remember that "ahh we/I made all this beauty, drama, pain all to keep us entertained in this box of nothingness." I believe this is why Yogis who reach "enlightenment" become jokesters.

[@xerse29]

I think the main reason why they become jokesters is because they understand the big joke of reality and that all the people who follow them don’t understand what he understands and are in constant pursuit to try and achieve enlightenment. The yogis are basically messing with them and going with the joke of it all and it’s only when their “students” realize enlightenment that the jokes the yogis are putting on their students are empty and overflowing at the same time. They are just messing with the egos of the people trying to achieve the thing which can’t be achieved. It’s actually so fucking hilarious if you’ve experienced the fall of the veil that is yourself

[@SolveEtCoagula93]

Just a point of information: we DO use all of our neurons in our brain. If a neuron is not used for any length of time, it will undergo apoptosis, it will die. We may not use all neurons, the time, but it is essential for the health of a neuron that it fires at some point. The concept that we only use a small percentage, or indeed anything less than 100%, of our brain, is a myth and is not supported by any modern brain imaging technique.

[@alcosmic]

Mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. -HP Lovecraft

[@oskarsamsel5903]

what if you take a bunch of acid with neuralink installed? hmmm

[@DdudeSnake13]

lets do it space cadet 😂

[@goodtothinkwith]

That’s actually interesting since the two people could be very different… even if one is awake and the other is tired, it could be interesting… 🤔

[@selleroffog5660]

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[@youareacoward8459]

One answer, NO! It's the same saying that all humans are the same because we all have blood. Equal moronic idea.

[@DdudeSnake13]

oh forgive us, oh superior human 😂

[@youareacoward8459]

@@DdudeSnake13 Meh, you can't see it, can you. The gnostic lords playing with you. Even in their OWN teachings do they teach that Sophia is the main villain in this drama.

[@youareacoward8459]

@@DdudeSnake13 Also, you seem to forget that we all have something called our core spirit. That is you; what you feel around you is not you. I have switched energy a lot, but the core stays the same. Now, I have given you some insight into how it works for real.