Are YOU Being Exploited? | GTA 5 Online Playlist

[@greyforge27]

How do these guys spend practically every waking moment together for their entire lives and still have things to talk about?

[@greyforge27]

you make a very valid point

[@alexs1640]

farfangled they're just talking about current events. Current events happen all the time. What's more impressive is how their view points all align

[@djm6683]

Its cuz they spend most of that time fucking each other

[@andrewcushen8379]

Best friends, man

[@danielmarais6216]

Alex S almost like they have a hive mind

[@Shanemain1991]

You boiks can exploit me whenever you want.

[@CLBellamey]

I tell everyone at my school that I'm not subscribed to Hat Films to fit in.

[@trippingsage5008]

I love how they think we all have friends.

[@TheBassHeavy]

My dad's career was building with stone so he did a lot of very posh grand hotels in London and other big cities. He always recalls that the hotel owners would come in looking homeless and were majoritively very kind and friendly, but the hotel customers, the ones trying to look successful, were dressed in very expensive clothes and pretty unapproachable and/or arrogant. Makes you think.

[@videogamer596]

So was your dad like officially a stonemason? Because that's really cool.

[@TheBassHeavy]

That's the one mate. I didn't say that in case people didn't know what that was haha.

[@Doomcraftian]

I feel like I want you to have been underestimating people by assuming they didn't know what stonemason was, but you probably weren't underestimating the majority of youtube

[@lewis6590]

Rich people buy investments, poor people buy liabilities so they can look rich.

[@TheBassHeavy]

Yeah, he was a stonemason. I never used the term because I assumed most people wouldn't know what it was. I've never met another stonemason in 28 years of my life, so I don't think it's a very common job. Perhaps I'm wrong and everyone in the world knows about them. Anyway, the title of his job really isn't the important part of the comment.

[@nikolaynedorezov1493]

Do you guys ever watch hat films almost like a podcast?

[@QuinteX_]

Nikolay Nedorezov almost?

[@harryelliott4363]

I think you meant always

[@toxictortuga]

I wish the had some sort of podcast series where they chat. Something like a... hat chat

[@OodldoodlNoodlesocks]

At this point it feels like they play GTA as little more than a back drop to their podcast. They rarely talk about what is going on in the game any more.

[@Sandul666]

Nikolay Nedorezov yup pretty much once they stopped caring about the games they played, they became immensely more interesting because we're learning who they are as people and are relating on a more natural level. And they aren't pushing their opinions but still having them at the same time. Great to listen to stoned.

[@TheSillyPiglet]

I love it when they talk about people I've never even heard of.

[@phantompizza]

ThaBadayuss like who

[@frydsaman6857]

yh u should have heard of everyone mentioned in the video

[@tordenflesk2322]

I only "know" Cardi B, Gucci Gang etc from Yogscast videos.

[@frydsaman6857]

Wow you guys don't get out much x))

[@daemon5583]

frydsaman Go out too much

[@greyforge27]

Guten Tag und willkommen in einer anderen GTA Playlist mit einigen deiner Lieblingsmenschen Hat Films

[@gregorywhatley9659]

You are some of my favourite people, you're role models for me

[@ItsAce44]

You boys should get back to Hatchat, you're very good at talking

[@giannanarsolis7994]

It'sAce They're planning something like that in the future. In a video they said that their studio setup is still in progress. They have heard us.

[@nakenmil]

4:49 It's called "conspicuous consumption", and is a pretty well-researched phenomenon in sociology whereby people consume (buy, and/or use stuff) in order to display to others and themselves that they have a certain level of social and economic standing.

[@thereddevils091]

This is amazing I love these chats- you get more distracted by the doomsday stuff and it kinda stops these chats from happening, and these chats are some of my favourite things from you

At my school, shoes are everything and if you have velcros, may God have mercy on your soul, I think it's like that because we have to wear school uniform so our shoes are the only thing that makes us stand out and is our identity.

[@jamesbazely5487]

Trott looking good in the thumbnail.

[@ThatGuy-mu8hq]

Honestly, These GTA playlists are my favorite series from my favorite Hatlads. I enjoy these so much more than other series, because of the more complex and interesting content you guys are talking and discussing about. Keep those Playlists coming BOYKZ!

[@keeganpeachey7164]

God, I forgot how much I love these guy. Keep doing what you're doing Hats.

[@JoeSmith-pp6uy]

I hope these videos become more frequent, they're probably my favorite on the channel.

[@ashleighcollins8207]

What I love about KZbin (hellhole that it is) is that it gives the smaller people a voice. On the TV, they only really show people that live rich and popular, making people believe they'll only be successful if they are like them. KZbin's rising popularity allows us who aren't as well off to have role-models and people we look up to. They don't have to sacrifice their personalities and lifestyles for their wage and I'm living for it. You guys doing these kind of podcasts videos really make you think and I adore it. Keep it up guys.

[@Sheriff_Ochs]

It's really important not to downplay how much consumerism and consumer culture ingrains itself in each of us from such a young age. We all grow up watching tv and being bombarded with ads, many of which are aimed directly at us, from as early as we can remember. Ads for mcdonalds and happy meals, ads for the latest toys, etc, all designed to get you to run to mommy and daddy and get them to spend money on you. Sure, we are all in control of our own decisions, and any purchase we make, as adults, is a voluntary decision in most senses. However, lets not give massive corporations and advertising firms any slack, what they do is incredibly insidious and affects and shapes us from the time of our earliest memories.

[@dailymass4924]

Maybe its just me, but coming from an overwhelmingly working class area, i don't think I've ever even in schools, seen someone un-ironically brag about having something expensive. If anything people would take the piss out of you for wasting your money on unnecessarily expensive stuff.

[@frydsaman6857]

I live in north london and my school is plagued with people who use every non-uniform day as a way to flaunt their yeezys and gucci-wear. Luckily those kind of kids aren't the "popular" ones and instead its really more the skater kids, and skate fashion is known for being accessible (except the poser brands like supreme and palace)

[@apimyfriend]

I'm 17 and when I was in primary school no one boasted about their appearance of garments. If you did, you'd be considered selfish and a show-off. I'm from the Nordics.

[@dermonater1]

I’m from Yorkshire England, and when I was in school, people wearing cheaper clothing would be targeted more negatively than expensive clothes would be seen as positive

[@rong-jiechew1565]

Im from south east asia, and i must say its down to which social circle youre a part of. Some glorify such fashion to ridiculous extents, whilst others hate such mentality. What im saying is the issue might not be about economic standing.

[@dailymass4924]

Yeah I suppose it does vary highly on what social circle you're part of. For me, I was just with the people who had similar interests to me. Ie: those who played video games. And certainly in that circle no one cared what you wore. Though in saying that I also used to bother with the more sporty kids quite a lot too as I played for the local football team and hence knew them all from that, and honestly it wasn't much of a difference. Sure there were a few kids who'd be wearing some fancy watch or something, but in my experience, as long as you didn't look homeless, it didn't really matter.

[@kaributler7377]

I really enjoyed listening to you guys speak on this topic as it's something I am constantly pondering myself! I agree with Smith's suggested claim that brands do indeed try to target and capitalize off of those who are not considered wealthy. Using celebrities that are plastered all over social media cites is great exposure for a brand, especially since SO many people are constantly plugged into various social media daily. Social media essentially (namely Snapchat and Instagram, the most utilized media cites currently) is solely used by people in order to display their own "public image." When your account is floating amongst celebrities and those who are wearing the same brands and styles as famous people (and these are the most followed and ones with the most "likes"), it elicits a competitiveness. Brands know that the mindset is this: If someone wishes to gain more attention/status, then they will start acting and dressing like those with the status they desire. I think then this causes a divide between not only classes, but between those who feed into this capitalist game and those who are free from brand manipulation (like the homeless-looking wealthy people you mentioned). I wonder how successful Kylie's cosmetic line would be if social media didn't exist and marketing was solely by word of mouth? Hmm...

[@LucasBuilds]

I feel like GTA has become the new trials-- fun gameplay and interesting conversations that usually don't have a whole lot to do with it. Always well worth watching.

[@judechauhan6715]

when you were talking about how smith feels women are more pressured to buy stuff via instagram i feel like that is their version of marketing now as is youtube and twitch to mainly male audiences on gaming videos.

[@TheMbaude]

YOU'RE MY FAVORITE CHANNEL. DON'T JUDGE ME. BEEN LOYALLY WATCHING ALL YOUR VIDS FOR THE LAST 3+ YEARS. SO VOILA.

[@lukehudson7848]

these are great to watch while playing games, love the chats and topics they cover

[@Char42]

I mean, it's kinda like the Cultivated Identity stuff that Peter Coffin talks about. Companies will do what they can to build up and/or define an identity, and and then sell things that are needed to satisfy entry into (or even just signal) that identity..

[@EmmaHelmuth]

I think all complex discussions and debates need to be done while racing in GTA. This has been wicked to listen to.

[@pastasam4069]

Love these chats over the gameplay recently. Don't really care to watch the GTA race, but these chats are worthy of a podcast...

[@vampiric13]

Regarding personal responsibility, it's worth checking out pychology and cognitive science studies regarding decision-making. A lot of it is determined by external factors, and raises many questions about responsibility, especially for morality and justice.

[@cerperalpurpose]

The entire conversation on buying things you don’t need reminds me of a certain guitarist from a certain band that rhymes with “Stasis”.

[@gregorywhatley9659]

I love this format of videos, because it's so cognitively engaging

[@XiJakke]

ahhhh another episode of my favourite Podcast

[@The_Chandster]

I love the playlists and discussion, there are times I really wish I could join in on it

[@TheBaron701]

Hat Films are the only people who do GTA vids that can bring on an existentialist crisis.

[@RJ1J]

"Only if you're educated". Exactly. And how many are properly educated??? Corporations know.

[@aas4788]

Super interesting topic! Also Smith saying “those who identify as women” rly made me happy lol

[@Pawg_Alf]

Its talks like this that I really love watching Hat Films over other youtube boyes. Like, I don't think they go very deep in these issues but you can tell they're honestly trying to work out some complicated issues.

[@jennifernabrahamable]

nothing hotter than Hat Films having an intelligent conversation

[@reeeeeeee8392]

As a teenager at school, I see people around me doing all of these things, and everything you said is completely true.

[@Pappasalt]

I think in most situations it's the consumers fault. Example being why people like the Paul's are famous or Kardashians is because people are buying into it.

[@scr3aming3agle83]

You guys are my favorite youtubers, therefore my favorite people.

[@pipcba]

BRING BACK HAT CHAT PODCAST, I need these kind of discussions in podcast format

[@That-No-Moon]

I was not expecting them to go into such a deep topic. I am used to them talking about random crap that is kind of funny, but this is deep. I suddenly feel sad, but then I guess I was sad before. Hat films is successful and semi rich, I am guessing, because they managed to get their foot into the youtube door back at the beginning of the 2010's when KZbinrs were becoming famous for their shows. Now a days, you hear kids and teens saying that they want to be a youtube when they grow-up out of high school, but how much harder is it now adays to get eople to subscribe to you as it was in the early 2010's.

[@not_tem]

Love these conversations, keep up the good stuff boikyss

[@silmarildust]

As part of the 6% I think I might chip in. I am somebody who enjoys occasionally buying things from big brands. I have expensive handbags, shoes and clothes etc. I have them because I like them and I see it as more of an investment in some cases as the things I buy are well made and will last and look good in years time. What else is the point of working if you can't buy things for yourself every so often? It just depends what you spend on, some people buy tech, some buy sports gear, some buy designer clothes, some cars.. and you could say the same about any of those things. I love the things I buy, they make me happy and as long as it's not over spending I don't see any issue in any of it

[@awesomeaartvark]

That's a good point actually, sometimes things that are more expensive have better quality and durability since better materials tend to be more expensive. That's not the case every time, of course, but it is another thing to consider. I think there are probably too many factors to consider when discussing why people buy things. I mean, in order to make a profit, companies have to convince people to buy it, or else it's pointless, but then, people don't necessarily buy things just because of popularity, but quality, performance, reputation, or style can still affect someone's choice. I'm rambling now though, haha! But I do agree, as long as it makes someone happy and it's not affecting them in a negative way, I think it's probably okay

[@timeworn_object8755]

These GTA videos have been subtly replacing Hat Chat for a while. Great video boiks.

[@joshi1707-q2j]

Love it when you lads play GTA, keep the nonsensical gameplay up!

[@Robinski000]

Love that the boys are discussing the plot of Devil Wears Prada

[@AUweaverzone]

I want more of this and discussions like this. I feel like I’m back in college.

[@janetlapham3919]

tribalism is a strong part of human behaviour. people desire to be part of a group, and people naturally try to war against people, not in the group. 'them, and us'.

[@JimiPain]

Smiffy constantly going "Hmhm" drives me nuts :D

[@Wolfencreek]

15:40 Trott certainly hasn't been near any schools, not since the courts got hold of him.

[@stanleybarkson758]

I love how the GTA is basically B roll film to there conversations

[@smoothcaramel8177]

I adore episodes like this. More please!

[@deadlyknights1]

The Hatfilms are correct about kids in schools wanting to fit in, cause in my high school a bunch almost all the kids talk about getting special edition yeezy's and supreme merch. My opinion about supreme merch is that its just a red sticker you slap on a piece of clothing to add a few hundred to the cost. Some people including me don't give 2 shits about what they look like, wearing the same jacket throughout the year. so in general its just whether or not you want to waste money on some shit logo to be in the majority or just wear not as expensive clothing cause it looks fine to you. for instance you can get amazing Hat merch for only 25 dollars/pounds and jackets for 30 dollars/pounds

[@nakenmil]

I hope you play more with other racers someday. It can be fun every now and then.

[@haleme9244]

I am in school, I have never heard someone used a twitch subscription as a symbol of reputation.

[@trippingsage5008]

Elementary kids probably

[@mrl2h2]

I hear it all the time

[@chrism45]

Subs not dubs is unrelated.

[@ruashua]

I know a couple kids who do it

[@christiankrarup6501]

Well the people who would perform that type of action are probably much younger than you

[@mistriousfrog]

what it comes down to is not so much expense but rather exclusivity. The goal of most of these brands isn't to establish that you are 'better' than others for having this expensive thing, but rather that you are part of an exclusive circle.

[@gotgame4059]

I love these GTA podcasts!!! more please!!

[@Maxbooze]

Funhaus is my favourite people, Hat Film are definitely in my top 50.

[@bebw1999]

GTA playlists are my fave podcast

[@JohnSmith-hm3ce]

My god the whole exclusivity thing is seriously visible at school, whenever we have a non uniform day everybody is in school wearing supreme or some designer clothes, whenever theres a new release of supreme or some shoes people bring in laptops to get the release and skip class in order to buy this stuff

[@owentreadgold8658]

Tbh you are some of my favourite people, mainly because I hate myself and my life

[@dannydamage4403]

I think it comes down to if you genuinely would enjoy what you are buying if no one else saw it. For example I would buy some more expensive shoes because I like their style however I wouldn't buy things just because of their reputation, I will never buy supreme or yeezys just because of the reception of others :)

[@frydsaman6857]

That's the difference between you and the majority of my anxiety-ridden consumerist generation :P

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

That’s a really good way of looking at it, especially when it’s about looking good, you have to work out who you’re looking good for

[@johnlandon8741]

ah the understanding of minds the Hat films edition, not much need of a social councilor when you can listen to the boixs

[@cavecastscorch]

I think the exploitative part comes in when companies try to convince people that either a: they will be better off/have good things happen/earn the respect of others if they buy abc product when that isn't necessarily an effect of the product. b: they will be worse off/unhappy/made fun of/etc. if they don't buy abc product. Especially b, but negative advertising works. Guy is sad because he's lonely and has no friends: tension and discomfort. Suddenly, he opens a Bud Light and everyone comes around to party and he is super popular: release and solution. Opening a Bud Light will very rarely grant friends and beautiful women, and not having a Bud Light is not the reason you have no friends. That's probably because you spend all day watching Hat Films.

[@bensdad8343]

I think it boils down to the underlying reason why people get happiness from exploitative purchases. I was lucky enough to have an amazing group of friends in secondary school, none of us really cared about labels and fashion and I've never considered these types of things. I also think marketing campaigns have ingrained so deep into culture the mere act of growing up slowly drip feeds you into pressures and innate marketing tactics that you might not even be aware is happening. I honestly thought as a society we might of been progressing away from designer bullshit but we may not be.

[@Futuristic271]

Jack Woodhead I think it really depends on your social circle, me and my fellows have no money because we are University students and we don't really care for materialism. But an analogy is I thought that humanity as a society is moving past racism, but I go back to my rural backwater hometown and everyone there is racist to the point they don't even consider their casual racist acts racist. So all that matters is your social circle

[@bensdad8343]

Yeah Yeah definitely. I'm at Uni now as well and there's a lot more foreign people from outside of Europe, but it still surprises me how they may not come from the wealthiest nations but still know of these designer brands, but they don't normally care. However all of what I'm seeing is from quite a nerdy group of friends who don't think about that as much.

[@the1asianpersuasion]

See the thing is, (at least in The States) international students from other countries are typically from a wealthy background (even among "our standards" of wealth), so they'll definitely know of designer brands if not indulge in them. I will say, now that I'm out of school (and am still a single bachelor), I'm starting to be conscious of my outward appearance whereas before I only cared about being healthy (as in fitting clothes and being visibly well groomed). Also to be fair, I really do need to update my wardrobe, but I still feel that there's more overall social pressure to appear "better" for everyone.

[@ryantrafton2085]

Ross: *Rubs right eye* Smith:*Rubs right eye* Me: I think there is some hive mind going on here...

[@typhooni8]

I think a lot of the marketing and exploitative tactics are generally very subtle, so what we might not see as exploitative or what not might actually be part of a larger picture. We might think it's a free choice, but in reality the choices are either very limited or someone's been influencing what we choose so the actuality of free choice is missing Or I'm crazy and everyone's out to get me

[@mattypoohs]

Please can you guys do like an hour podcast just sat talking, camera on you guys talking about modern day and the ups and downs that would be incredible!!!!

[@Keklan572]

I had a really weird dream last night. Where I killed Trott and wore his skin so I could become him and Hatfilms kept making videos with me as Trott but nobody ever realised.

[@eoinmckennawalsh6362]

for real.... this was a DAMN GOOD VIDEO

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

Nothing like a 20min GTA Playlist video with the boiks LEGO talking

[@InevitableMayo]

Sorry guys but you are my favourite people. I have been a follower since the forsaken lands. You can never get rid of me!

[@chrism45]

The equivalent of the makeup for women is tech channels and fashion for men. I really don't understand who subscribes to tech channels, how often do you buy a phone or a pc that some have 10m subs?

[@TheSillyPiglet]

Personally for me it's to keep up to date with everything so I know there is something to buy or so I know what to buy when the time comes.

[@chrism45]

I upgrade phone and pc about once per 4 years so I just check then. They're so popular though.

[@TheSillyPiglet]

Just about anything is interesting to someone I suppose.

[@Creamcups]

I like tech channels because I like tech, I don't have to buy everything they feature, I like staying up to date with latest technology even though I can't afford it.

[@tinglydingle]

Because my interest in technology goes beyond my desire to own it. I can enjoy learning about stuff that I have no intention of buying, and I don't think that's an unusual notion.

[@nathanhitchen6464]

Car are made in a production line, this means that to change the product line in any way cost millions this is why expensive cars are so expensive because they make so little witch then pushes up the price

[@ozzoforest]

I'd like to know why Smith thinks car tax and MOTs are a trap.

[@jasperkharas6396]

Smith bringing in Mills' Harm Principle

[@jyanin]

On the clothes/homeless person thing. It happened to a friend of mine here in Nottingham. She was collecting clothes for city homeless and going round to hand them out, and they simply refused some of the better stuff because it looked to good/new/clean. And what you said was the very reason. No-one would give them money if they wore it. (Although..from an opinion of someone reasonably comfortable with a small family to look after...wouldn't it make sense to accept this stuff...and be on the look out for a small job..or some volunteer thing you could benefit from in the long run? :\ I don't get it sometimes, sorry)

[@Mech610]

Hat Films: come for the attempts to hijack your Alexa to make it buy tampons, stay for the hard hitting social commentary.

[@robertleitch1050]

And on this episode of Going deep with Hat Films

[@G0bb0ForLife]

I can't tell if Smith has read a lot of Bentham, or just came to the same conclusions.

[@silverfox1129]

The only criticism I have with Trott's debate is to be in the club at school you need to fit in with everything everyone else fits into except just the one.

[@jamestiffin5553]

I think poor education is the route of most of society's problems

[@alejandroreyes9574]

5:15 Don't look into retail if destroying old stuff to maintain brand and price horrifies you.

[@SolstaceWinters]

I don't understand their logic.... Hat Films are some of my favorite people.

[@IceLordCryo]

i love it when they analyze society

[@Obongo742]

some days: ey smith gimme ur juice goop other days: ah yes the influence of branding

[@ImKrushr]

great video lads

[@robclift2449]

But you are my favourite youtubers!

[@MozilloGames]

It's incredibly weird hearing them talk about tweets by Chris Bratt (Ex-Eurogamer worker) without ever mentioning his name. I guess it's two worlds that don't really mix.

[@Doog95]

Listening to this high is very trippy

[@Doog95]

Also believe Trott is high, he looks high

[@RolosReviews]

I love these chats

[@themoland5981]

i remember, in school, i wasn't allowed to hang out with a group because i didn't a windforce in diablo 2 hahah

[@hardcorebinman2373]

This was basically just a podcast but not complaining

[@15thTimeLord]

If I may answer, the social environment of younger school years is mostly made by students in high anxiety and/or developing and learning new ways to communicate, socialize and behave. Through 7-8 grade (which is out of 12 for public school and includes optional pre-school year(s) and a "Kindergarten" year (public school graduates are roughly 18 years old)) I saw this anxious behavior and understood it as stupid, careless, and uncompassionate. Not that I was excluded from this sort of "natural" force/behavior, but I participated in it less and hated those that constantly entertained it, especially for the years to come before graduation. The life of a student seems too small, you do not get to see the world enough or experience enough, especially if you are constantly involved with school outside of the 8 hour 5/7 day a week attendance (often Wednesdays are 1 hour shorter). The experience of a job, meeting other people, traveling, learning detailed history, paying attention to politics (and following up with the sciences around the topics), learning psychology, learning biology, learning other languages AND cultural behaviors to the corresponding country(ies) and their relation. Amongst several other concepts (and particular minds and people develop selfless thinking and conceptual independence will be engaged through slightly different tasks than another or the norm), those are some major common ones for midwestern American folk that get their gears turning and to shut up about the little things or chat about the little things with people without enforcing or desiring their opinions/actions/behaviors/experiences to match others. Though some people just don't grow up. Sorry for so many words. TLDR

[@fishpop]

The only brand i have a "Must have them all!" mentality with is High Grade Gundam model kits. (Also known as Gunpla)

[@gravylookout]

Do these things happen in non-capitalist societies? When I look at old pictures of communist Russia or modern photos from North Korea the thing that stands out to me is the complete lack of brands and advertisements. Is that need for luxury status consumables (however slight) effectively suppressed by societal norms, transferred to a sense of nationalistic pride (i.e. look how strongly I believe in the state), or replaced by the needs of self preservation?

[@Zw285]

I love this podcast.

[@ukzz360king8]

Trotts exactly right about the school