Are you ducking serious?! - Bizarre Intelligent Design Argument from Phil Robertson | Reacteria

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

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[@WetDoggo]

you are not supposed to apply logic to the bible 😂😂

[@skateboardingjesus4006]

Damned Atheists and their seawater beliefs. I wonder if marine life had their own tower of Babel, or did they always not understand each other?

[@michaelthomas7898]

Very religious family, his son is a pastor. He's not really that bright, he went to college on a sports scholarship. Supposed to have been a pretty good quarterback.

[@HisZotness]

Please get some sleep, Forrest. I'm concerned.

[@graffic13]

Listen the duck dynasty show was the direct onset of the downfall of American society. They dumbed our country down so much and honey booboo too.

[@jaaaspokenjay5778]

The thing I always hate about the design argument is that it only assumes that WE were the goal. No evidence of that.

[@FutureWorldX]

"God did it" - Discovery Institute members like Stephen Meyer and James Tour. Professor Dave's debunks on the DI are very fun and educational to watch.

[@fohrum4757]

​@@FutureWorldXI love professor Dave's debunks. Although it's really frustrating when I refer creationists to these videos and they refuse to watch them because the know their beliefs will be shattered

[@weirdnessincarnate]

Because they're full of themselves also an argument I see to disprove mythoses (idk if that's how it's spelled) is if horses could have gods their gods would look like horses yet in the bible Jesus is a human and God looks like one

[@idle_speculation]

Pretty sure in at least some of the Abrahamic traditions God is described as formless and ethereal.

[@SignificantNumberOfBeavers]

The problem I have is when people try to use science to prove religion or religion to prove science. There is no problem with believing in evolution and a creator, the problem arises when you say science proves there is a creator. Faith and reason are both important for different things.

[@DavidTaylor-ki2ir]

Fine tuning argument: isn’t it amazing how our founding fathers made the Mississippi river align perfectly with the borders of the states?!

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Almost as amazing as the fact that the almighty creator designed human retinas to literally be upside down and inside out. Kind of weird for a perfect all powerful being to make such a boo boo but I'm sure he has his reasons 😂😂😂.

[@liam2386]

​@@jackwhitbread4583we all cut corners at work hahaha

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

Another one I like: There is a hole in the ground. It starts to rain. The hole fills up with water, filling it to the top. Suddenly the puddle gains sentience. The puddle comments on how perfect this hole is. “It fits me perfectly! It must have been made to suit me!”

[@Petperson17]

@@jackwhitbread4583or like the ARTERY that stretches down and away from the heart just to boomerang back to the heart anyway in the process twisting around another part of the body for no reason 💀😭

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

The river moves, the borders stay the same.

[@setojurai]

Any time a Young Earth Creationist says "My Atheist Friends" I know immediately everything he's saying is 100% bullshit

[@naruarthur]

"my atheist friend that have no name, no personality, is incapable of showing themselves and nobody agrees with"

[@rembrandt972ify]

I just go with the old test, how do you tell if a creationist is lying? Look at his lips, if they moving, he's lying.

[@spaceghost8995]

"My hot girlfriend who lives in another town!" 😂

[@FlyingFox86]

My atheist friends go to another school.

[@denverarnold6210]

​@@naruarthurfunny how their atheist strawman sounds exactly like god.

[@diemwing]

"This hole in the ground sure perfectly fits me. It must be designed to fit me!" --- A puddle

[@iamthemouse4483]

"It's my hole! It was made for me!"

[@c.guydubois8270]

B puddle agrees...

[@turtlemine4613]

Th-this is my hole! It was made for me!

[@EmissaryOfStuff]

What People think Scientists are like: stoic, always logical What Scientists are actually like: nerding out over how awesome Gravity is

[@The-one-and-only-Fruitcake]

As a biology student, I actually nerd out about how pretty praying mantises are

[@ASH-su6nb]

​@@The-one-and-only-Fruitcakethey way they dismantle flies is kind of disturbing tbh

[@CaptPeon]

As an ecologist... scientists are also often socially awkward

[@The-one-and-only-Fruitcake]

@@ASH-su6nb yeah, that’s why i love them. They are brutal

[@sharimeline3077]

As an art historian, I completely geek out over art all the time. Like how can you not get excited about 30,000-year-old cave art? I think we go into our fields because we’re so nerdy over it 😊

[@_negentropy_]

As a kid I assumed The Tower of Babel story confirmed “god” was really aliens with brain scrambling and transporter technology, so I told all the kids in Sunday school. The other kids thought that was also a reasonable explanation. I got in loads of trouble that probably traumatized me for decades but right now in this moment I hope my nonsense saved at least one kid that day from the rest of the nonsense.

[@Llortnerof]

For what it's worth, that *is* at least as reasonable as the biblical claim.

[@Brynnthebookworm]

Haha, that's a hilarious take! My pseudo science take was after I heard about the idea of alternate dimensions. I knew that heaven was obviously not literally up in the sky, so I assumed it must be in an alternate sky dimension. 😄

[@dracocrusher]

Child in Church: "Is it possible that the tower of Babil was actually a long-term space expedition project made using alien technology? And, is it also possible that Ancient Aliens came down to destroy their building project to interfere with the efforts of early humans?"

[@angelikaopland7880]

The Babylonians recorded when the "Tower" was built, who ordered it built & what it was used for. They were building a ziggurat upon which to put a shrine & altar where their sky god Marduk could conveniently step down from Heaven to attend rituals worshipping him. It was called "Etemenanki", which means "Stepping Stone of the God". They also recorded that it was finished, & then used for it's intended purpose for about 900 years. By the time King Hammurabi ordered it built, the old cuneiform alphabet that the Sumerians had been writing their Semitic Language in had already been replaced in the archaeological record with the Indo-European Babylonian tongue. The Chinese language was also already well developed. So the Bible is factually challenged in any number of ways by this story alone. Alexander the Great had the crumbling ruin taken down with the intention of having it rebuilt as a gift for the people of Babylon, but died before that project could be taken further. The bitumen-lined drainage system had long since failed & the clay bricks were slowly eroding away.

[@angelikaopland7880]

I need to clarify that the old Sumerian alphabet was being used to write the Babylonian language. This change happened long before the tower was built.

[@HavartiCamembert]

We had a mold problem with our bathroom floor a while back. Apparently, our bathroom was a perfect environment for the mold to grow there. In fact, we found no other mold in the house. The only obvious conclusion is that Phil put it there and owes us a new floor.

[@SorenPenrose]

No, the architect who built your house put it there. Sue him. He shouldn’t have created an environment perfect for the mold. He created an entire room specifically for the mold to grow in. Kinda reckless.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

@@SorenPenrose You can make a religion out of this.

[@HavartiCamembert]

@@SorenPenrose but the mold was intelligently designed by Phil. I have a book that says so.

[@TheAngryAtheist]

We await the coming of the Moldsiah!

[@LogicAndFur]

According to Leviticus 14:34-35, God put the mold in your house and wants you to go to the priest to cleanse it.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

I find it unbelievable that almost a quarter of the way through the 21st century there are still people working from 2000 year old collections of iron age and Roman era collections of myths and legends.

[@mike5556]

Well, Mike Johnson *did* just get elected speaker so be prepared to see goat herder's fables influencing politics!

[@Temulon]

@@mike5556 Goat herder fables have always influenced politics.

[@qwadratix]

People have been expressing that same despair forever. I'm prepared to bet that at the time of the Roman Empire there were people who viewed it all as utter nonsense. We have to accept that a major fraction of humans are just too dumb to be allowed matches if not for the efforts of the minority in putting out the fires.

[@deandicristofaro6763]

Yes. It is kind of unbelievable Miranda

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@deandicristofaro6763 What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence - to become a fool for god, in other words. To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.

[@giovannipiacen85]

As a physics teacher, I am impressed by the fact that you took the time to point out the distinction between deceleration and negative acceleration. Well done!

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

Thank you! It was a sticking point for me when I learned it, so I figured it would one be for other people too. I thought it was worth the 3 minutes to clear the fog.

[@raya.p.l5919]

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[@gb213]

Wow, It seems nuanced but significant in application. Deceleration is always acceleration of a body in the opposite direction of its velocity, resulting in a loss of velocity in that direction. But deceleration cannot entirely account for when an external force acts and accelerates the body in the opposite direction causing it to slow down to rest and then reversing its vector of velocity in the opposite direction and further increasing its magnitude in that direction. It would then be accelerating, not decelerating by definition. For deceleration to still apply, the body upon changing its velocity in the opposite direction, must be acted upon by a force causing acceleration opposite to its new vector of velocity resulting in a decrease until it switched directions once again and so on..therefore endlessly oscillating the body in its current respective coordinate system of motion. This is where I assume the term negative acceleration is needed as it refers to the coordinate system of motion moreover the physical body.

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Deceleration is something loosing inertia while negative acceleration is more like reverse thrust?

[@landsgevaer]

@@bigkirbyhj666 You mean "losing momentum", presumably. Inertia is resistance to change in velocity, which is mass.

[@clarkkl100]

I'm a linguist and am qualified to explain the origin of language and the diversity of languages. Language does, indeed, come from the ocean. There was once a single language given to us by the ocean. Then some people said 'we don't want this language' so they went back to the ocean with a cup, scooped up some water and got themselves a new language. Every linguist knows (and we thought every biologist knew) that every cup of water scooped up from the ocean that doesn't contain a whale contains a language. Thank you.

[@crazydicelady6117]

*whale song intensifies*

[@angelikaopland7880]

As a linguist, you must already know that the "family tree" of languages & of human genetic descent overlay almost exactly. As languages change over time, it's usually generations of the same families speaking them while they do so.

[@clarkkl100]

@@angelikaopland7880 As a linguist, of course I know that.

[@HowToTrainYourDuncan]

There are not enough words to convey how much I love that penultimate sentence. Beautiful use of language.

[@clarkkl100]

@@HowToTrainYourDuncan Thank you.

[@Simon-fg8iz]

The planet was not fine-tuned to us... but we were fine-tuned by evolution to be suited to this planet.

[@Finckelstein]

Not really. Evolution doesn't do "fine tuning", it does "Eh, it works, I guess...." - we're all held together by the evolutionary duct tape.

[@denverarnold6210]

"Fine" might be a bit strong a word. Maybe "roughly tuned?"

[@pansepot1490]

Come on! Don’t diss on evolution: it does the best it can with what it’s got. As far as I am concerned the tuning is fine. 😁

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

@@pansepot1490 As a giraffe's laryngeal nerve, I strongly disagree.

[@Blahaj_Gaming847]

@@denverarnold6210 i think the idea's still there though

[@timhallas4275]

Phil is a good example of Dunning-Kruger. He knows just enough to think he's right, but not enough to know he's wrong.

[@VinnieG-]

from my personal experience, the less people know, the more they think they know.

[@timhallas4275]

@@VinnieG- "Knowing" that "God" exists is the perfect example of this.

[@tylergodefroy8713]

no this guy went to university

[@waukivorycopse2402]

​@@VinnieG- so you've met my boss...

[@Colgruv]

It's really upsetting sometimes to realize how much of our media is devoted to people speaking very confidently on things they know less than nothing about.

[@Coastal_Cruzer]

I know!

[@miritallstag336]

yeah unfortunately the dunning-kruger effect is fun to watch in action

[@MRCATWRENCH]

You’re making a false assumption that television is a benevolent disseminator of useful knowledge for mass consumption, when in fact it is a business disseminating what sells.

[@theatheistcowboy4227]

@@MRCATWRENCHThey made precisely zero assumptions with their comment…

[@MRCATWRENCH]

@@theatheistcowboy4227 lol, I don’t think you understood my comment 🤷‍♂️

[@greatercandle5920]

"God must have been more afraid of their legs than their language." made me spit out my coffee, thanks Forrest!

[@ReiperX]

It really was an amazing line

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

The embodiment of human -spirit- muscles

[@notarobot1494]

29:16

[@RusTsea196T]

Evidence Forrest appreciates a great set of legs! Something we would have in common! 😃

[@jacobdad2742]

It's so ironic when theists tell me I need to "read the Bible" that if I do, I'll understand. The ironic part is that I have read it, and all it did was make me more confident that it's all horse s**t.

[@Llortnerof]

If nothing else, reading (as in, actually going cover to cover, not just those random lines they use) it is a good way of confirming that most of them never did so.

[@adrianmetzler2523]

I can’t stand the way fuck hunter guy reads a few of the beginning parts (that we’ve all read thousands of times over and heard thousands of times over) like no ones heard it before and he’s just now discovering it. Look, it says right here, god said let there be light, guys, I just found some ground breaking discovery no ones heard yet.

[@irenafarm]

I learned Koine greek and hebrew to read it, hoping to find coherence that way….but…nope.

[@patobrien235]

Creationists must have great Rose's with all that Horse S%@t??

[@denverarnold6210]

It's not ENTIRELY horse s**t. There's some horse c**ks in there too. Literally.

[@charlesmiller3114]

Phil is basically saying “If things were different, things would be different”. Imagine thinking a puddle is specifically designed for the hole it’s in and using that as evidence for a deity

[@cl34ve]

1. Life everywhere: God's love has let life flourish throughout the universe. 2. Life here: truely we are blessed, God's love has allowed us to survive in a hostile universe, in a perfect cradle built for us. 3. Life on only some planets: God's plan is so precise that he has allowed life to thrive where he deemed it would be best. 4. No life: Go- Auugh! *poof* edit: weird phone capitalization.

[@hiroshiyitama2888]

didn’t we design cameras better than this supposed all knowing being of infinite intelligence designed our own eyes?

[@dustypartition]

Debunking Phil Robertson is just low hanging fruit, he's like a sitting duck if you will.

[@Strype13]

It's not like he just decided to randomly pick on Phil on a whim. His viewers make requests and point him toward content they want him to react to, aka dismantle.

[@Therian13]

If Phil is willing to put themselves out there for live TV, then they should be willing to recieve a rebuttal.

[@LinktotheFuture-zs9km]

Ah, I see what you did there

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

i do wonder what is high hanging fruit? i have heard from theists its william lane craig or j. warner wallace. but they arent much better. i would still regard those as low hanging fruit. because thats how logical apologetics get. there is a reason there havent been new theistic arguments in decades

[@DoctorX101]

You imply that Phil is not all he is quacked up to be?

[@katiebarber407]

i really hate the stereotype of "stupid ignorant hillbilly" but goddamn, is phil robertson doing his best to uphold that shit

[@colbyboucher6391]

I wouldn't say he's stupid, he's just trapped in a mode of thinking where he uses fact to confirm his own biases rather than considering what the facts themselves actually suggest, which everyone's guilty of at times. A lot of religious people are just... far more guily of it than most.

[@engelostermann7203]

Phil Robertson is not even a real hillbilly.

[@hubguy]

⁠@@colbyboucher6391Usually stems from the supposed infallibility of their religious work, or anything people treat like figurative gospel. They’re conditioned to not question it because they’re taught it’s infallible because the text itself says it’s infallible (circular reasoning). It’s why, for example, young earth creationists still exist. They were told the Earth is 6000 years old so all the evidence they find has to fit that or it’s fake/incorrectly measured

[@thekwjiboo]

Forrest, you're truly an inspiration. The way you dismantle pseudoscience with such manic optimism, and the obvious passion you have for both learning and sharing what you've learned makes you a great level of fellow human to aspire towards. And I'm probably twice your age, yet I sincerely look up to you.

[@analogalien651]

Well said

[@Lux7355]

Agree 100%, well put.

[@angelikaopland7880]

All of this applies to me as well. -Angelika's Husband (to be clear)

[@idontwantahandlethough]

"manic optimism" lol you nailed it

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@angelikaopland7880 it was _not_ previously clear, so thank you.. Phillip. (I'm just assuming your name is Phillip)

[@nonbrynary]

Phil: I have a book so i know everything so i don't need to know anything else. Forrest: i have so many books and I've only scratched the surface. Learning is awesome!

[@chriscasperson5927]

Phil gives an excellent example of Brandolini's Law. So much BS, so little time.

[@undrwatropium3724]

I thought you just made that up. It turns out:Brandolini's law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle, is an internet adage coined in 2013 that emphasizes the effort of debunking misinformation, in comparison to the relative ease of creating it in the first place.

[@daver.]

Forrest should do a show called “refracteria” so we understand why Phil’s bottle of water doesn’t appear colorless.

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@undrwatropium3724 Which is why Creationists invented the Gish Gallop, exploiting that law. (That term was coined in 1994.)

[@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS]

And Dunning Kruger Effect. These people with no scientific education literally just assume they know better than people like Hawkings, Einstein, Dawkins etc. who systemically dedicated their lives to studying what they only pretend to care about for their obsolete, bronze age agenda.

[@chriscasperson5927]

@@undrwatropium3724 Brandolini's Law is why I admire debunkers like Mr. Valkai, Professor Dave, Gutsick Gibbon, et al. It's a Sisyphean task

[@jurkspurror4908]

It really sucks that most Christians I've talked to are never able to have a conversation about things like this without it devolving into insults or threats. Then again people are molded by their environment so it's somewhat understandable. An environment that doesn't allow you to be curious isn't one worth staying in. Also

[@paullanoue5228]

They were groomed from childhood to believe in absurdities. They have established religion as a major part of their identity. So an assault on their religion is seen as a personal attack on them. Basically they are psychological prisoners. You as the interloper is viewed as a demon, devil, or witch. It always amazes me that mankind has made it this far. Carrying religious baggage as we’ve seen throughout history can crush curiosity.

[@thepalegalilean]

*It really sucks that most Christians I've talked to are never able to have a conversation about things like this without it devolving into insults or threats.* As a Christian, I typically find it the other way around, but I suppose it's equally the crowd I hang around with. *Then again people are molded by their environment so it's somewhat understandable. An environment that doesn't allow you to be curious isn't one worth staying in.* This is especially true in fundie circles.

[@thepalegalilean]

@@paullanoue5228 *They were groomed from childhood to believe in absurdities.* This is cognitive dissonance at its finest. You just responded to a gentleman that had said that the Christians he debates with devolve into insults and threats. And here you are, doing the same thing. In your case, the insults are probably warranted, because you don't understand absurdity and basic metaphysics you would be taught about in an entry level undergraduate class. *They have established religion as a major part of their identity. So an assault on their religion is seen as a personal attack on them.* There's certainly some truth to that, especially as you go into more socio-cultural contexts. But what you aren't considering is the fact that these ideologies that have been adopted as identities (I am of this population) have been done so for very good reasons. But, you've also broke your own ankles to know what those reasons are in that respect due to your untempered bias as clearly demonstrated above. *Basically they are psychological prisoners. You as the interloper is viewed as a demon, devil, or witch.* And you honestly think that you are somehow better? Do you think there's anything about you that doesn't do the same? If ideology held for good reason makes you a prisoner, then you are no less incarcerated than they. You're no less the dumb ape that everybody else is that occasionally throws his own scat. Humble yourself. *It always amazes me that mankind has made it this far.* Quite a lofty opinion you have of yourself. I think mankind is now, where he has always been. We simply unfold upon ourselves. Even when (and if) we explore the stars, we will still just be dumb apes with an ego more overinflated than is healthy. We've just migrated from the cave to the condo. *Carrying religious baggage as we’ve seen throughout history can crush curiosity.* My friend, casting aside an entire metaphysic on the ground that you don't like it is just as damaging. Be better.

[@jurkspurror4908]

​@@thepalegalileanwell said, it's unfortunate that good conversations or even debates are hard to find yourself taking part of. Whether it be on the topic of evolution, religion, or even just interests. It seems as though many take it as a personal attack rather than objective criticisms or simply flaws in logic etc. I'll be the first to admit I've unintentionally done it as I'd stand to wager most have, it's an easy thing to do. If I may ask, why are you a Christian? I don't mean how or when. I mean why, what is the reason you have to believe?

[@jurkspurror4908]

​@@paullanoue5228unfortunately I'm all too familiar with that. I grew up christian, so when I became an atheist most of my friends were obviously christian. Made for more than a few interesting conversations.

[@jimmygravitt1048]

"Once they discovered all of the scientific inaccuracies, logical inconsistencies, and moral atrocities contained within this book, they simply couldn't make excuses for them anymore." This is the most concise way I have ever heard biblical deconversion explained. Eventually, there are no excuses left to give and the apologetics seem silly.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

The duck man's argument would be like saying - Gosh, The army corps. of engineers Sure was clever to pull the Mississippi river to match the borders of the state of missouri. It's amazing!

[@jimmygravitt1048]

@@uncleanunicorn4571 LMAO. This is perfect.

[@graysonschoonover1109]

Please name some of these inconsistencies, and I will try to clarify them. Much of the confusion comes from a lack of context and misunderstanding of th ancient cultures that existed when the Bible was written. Shoot

[@jimmygravitt1048]

​@@graysonschoonover1109 I haven't gone through all of these, just the first couple pages. (www.cs.umd.edu/users/mvz/bible/bible-inconsistencies.pdf) But, I think this document does a good job at shooting down your insistence that you could simply explain away all of the inconsistencies in the Bible. As if we have the time in a comment thread for you to address the MOUNTAINS, or rather MOUNTAIN RANGES of problems found within the Bible. I have been reading and listening to people like Bart Ehrman, Josh McDowell and his son Sean, Dale Allison, Joshua Bowen, and other scholars of the ancient near east AND religion now for several years, so I am confident it is not my misunderstandings of the Ancient World that leads to these issues in the Bible. Besides, if you look at this all from the Christian viewpoint, that an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God is guiding everything, it all falls apart even more. Why would this "all-good" God order his believers to murder every man, woman, and boy and take the virgin girls for themselves? Do God's morals change after so long? Does God no longer call for adulterers to be stoned? Has this omni-everything God changed his mind? How come Christian nations don't invade Thailand and murder all of the Buddhists for praying to gold statues? Deuteronomy 13:12-16 commands God's followers to slaughter idolaters in their midst. How come now we just allow people to worship however they want? Why don't we kill witches anymore? Has god changed his mind about that? I blaspheme the Christian God all the time, and see it happen ALL the time, yet no one kills us, despite the fact that we live in a Christian-majority country. Or how about this, which always confused me, why the hell did God punish Adam and Eve for eating the fruit when GOD HIMSELF ADMITS they did NOT know right from wrong? We would NEVER punish our children for doing something wrong if they didn't know it was wrong in the first place. So, God is kind of a dick here. Also, in the book of Job, is God the evil character, because everything he does, I would categorize as evil, and despite literally decades of searching for answers to the Job question, I have only found ridiculous answers to the question. Something is not made moral SIMPLY because God does it. Here's another, why does God require a blood sacrifice in the first place? He's omnipotent, he can do literally anything. Why doesn't he just forgive? Or, why do the very first two chapters of the Bible contradict each other? Genesis 1 and 2 provide two mutually exclusive accounts for how the Universe began, both of which contradict known science. Why does the Jesus represented in the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John change from gospel to gospel, if these books are divine? Why are books that were written decades after the death of Christ held as absolutely authoritative? Or, I always wondered about in 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah is taken up into heaven and later Jehoram begins ruling as king. Yet, somehow, in 2 Chronicles 21:12-15, Elijah sends Jehoram a letter. Was God the deliverer? Or, why does the Bible clearly endorse slavery? And why does it never explicitly denounce it? Or, why are there so many devout Christians who go hungry when Psalm 34:10 says "...they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing." Is it really saying that all of these incredibly devout people just aren't devout enough, while a mega-rich pastor like Joel Osteen who exploits his parishioners to live a lavish lifestyle IS devout enough? Or, something that has always puzzled me, does Revelation say that only 144,000 people will make it to heaven? And why the hell is Revelation so cryptic in the first place? I mean, in my book, if i am determining whether a book has divine origins, it's clarity is one of the things I am going to judge it by. Don't worry, though, God knows this, so I imagine they will take care if ever sending a divine work. Or, what's with the story of the Tower of Babble? So, humans were able to fully cooperate without language barriers, so God sees this and thinks "Fuck no." Also, why does God always seem surprised by things INSTEAD of preventing them when he is omniscient and omnipotent? Or, in Matthew 19:18, Jesus only gives 6 commandments to live by, and the 6th commandment is not on the original 10 given by God to Moses. So, does God not care about who one worships, so long as they keep the 6 commandments Jesus specified? Or, why do Christians think they have free will, when God has a plan for every individual person and straying from that plan lands you in hell for eternity? I mean, if a gun is held to a rape victim's head, is the rape victim really "free" to refuse? These are just off the top of my head (I admit I have to look up the specific Bible verses, as I never remember these, but I remember enough to easily find the verses). And, to be clear, I am not saying that there are no answers to these questions. The problem is that there are usually SO MANY different answers to these questions, all of which I have found leave me wanting more. Maybe you will be the one to change my mind, and make it all make sense. I just find it weird how people can find a book with so many (again to quote the video, because of its conciseness) "scientific inaccuracies, logical inconsistencies, and moral atrocities" divine, is peculiar to say the least.

[@MarkJones-fw3mo]

​@@graysonschoonover1109don't really care about logical inconsistentinces or contradictions. Just wondering why a book was used to pass the story to people when only a tiny percentage of people could read. Maybe your God needed a priest class to sponge a living off the uninformed or maybe it was the other way round. Just wondering.

[@charchitthakur7364]

What these people tend to forget is we were the results and not the goal

[@ratbaby3107]

To be fair, if somehow humanity did just like walk out of the ocean mostly fully formed, speaking the language of the unknown depths, that'd be some awesome cosmic horror

[@MossMothMyBeloved]

God doesn't stay in heaven because he lives in fear of what he has created He stays in heaven because he doesn't know where we came from.

[@Telephonebill51]

And as likely as any other of a trillion possible things to occur.

[@damianedwards8827]

THAT’S WILD!!!. The Problem Atheists have is, They Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it God is simply the Existence of Love. Everybody Believes Love exists Simple. But infinite in Power and Expression. To ignore the Reality of that Is not only Unfortunate It’s Shameful.

[@MossMothMyBeloved]

@@damianedwards8827 Shoot. Guess I'm a theist now. All those hours arguing against people who thought some magic dude created the entire universe? We were just getting the definitions mixed up. How unfortunate. In reality thats not how the word is used and what "love" is and where it comes from is also an answer that may vary from person to person. I myself believe it was something we evolved, some might argue its a feeling an omnipotent being (a "God") instilled within us. This isn't helpful in the slightest and not a particularly good argument.

[@shawn7779]

@@damianedwards8827Those last 3 lines were correct, but everything before it is false.

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

"Couldn't he have just showed up in the form of some other luminescent plant and told people to stop stacking bricks?" I lost it at that part. 🤣

[@fishyfish1917]

Forrest's enthusiasm is so incredibly contagious and motivating, i have zero doubts he is an amazing teacher

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Let's see: What have you learned? 🤪

[@riseofdarkleela]

Main character syndrome also explains the illusion that everything has been created for us.

[@TheSurrealist.]

The story of The Tower of Babel is basically just god being a Union buster. EDIT: DAMMIT I wrote this as Forrest was talking about it and as soon as I hit the done button he said what I was thinking. 😂 Damn you Forrest! I love you! Lol

[@mattkuhn6634]

As a linguist, one of the things that mystified me about his little diversion into Babel was that he seemed to assume that it is known to be true that everyone spoke one language at some point. We have zero evidence for that - in fact, if one had to make a guess based on what evidence we do have, one would likely guess that language probably emerged independently in more than one location. That said though, no linguist would stake their reputation on that guess, because our evidence is based on writing. Because language changes over time in predictable ways, we can take the earliest writing, and project back from that by a bit to predict what the language looked like just prior to the invention of writing, but even that far back there's no evidence that all the disparate language families were related in any way. I do want to mention a minor qualification: the jury is very much still out on whether Homo erectus was capable of speech. We have found partial skeletal evidence of H. erectus hyoid bones, and they do appear to morphologically resemble the hyoids of us and neanderthals (which are the only other hominin species we have found hyoids for) more than those of non-human African apes. However, as far as I'm aware we've never recovered a full one, and it seems as though their hyoid was not as well supported with musculature as ours is, to the extent that it may not have had much capacity to raise its larynx to modulate the length of the oral cavity, which may be prohibitive for true speech. Or it might not be - we don't know yet. I do think it's perfectly safe to say that Homo erectus definitely had some form of complicated communication, but the origins of spoken language are super murky. It's why one of the first things I would do with a time machine is head to the Great Rift Valley c. 200kya with an audio recorder and go looking for our ancestors.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Phil suffers from religious myopia and can only view the world, and hypotheticals about the world, through the lens of his religion being unquestionably true. Thus he starts from the garden of Eden, ignores the @#$%ing CITIES mentioned existing around the garden, and concludes everyone spoke the same language and we all agree to that.

[@zuraorokamono204]

...and a gun, they might not appreciate your approach

[@Herschel1738]

@@BaronVonQuiply I like the phrase "religious myopia".

[@TheScotsalan]

Not a linguist at all, but it strikes me with the babel story, is who recorded what happened before it ? Surely, if everyone started speaking new languages, then the stories of the past would have been in a different language nobody understood ? Of course, my logic is flawed, cos one group could have been left with the original language, but the bible dont say that 😂.

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

​@@TheScotsalanSee, that would make sense. So it wouldn't fit in the Bible.

[@Balthazar228]

I guess Phil Robertson isn’t all he’s “quacked up to be”

[@tonyrundstrom9574]

The word I use to say "cry" is used to say "laugh" in the most southern county in my country. So the sentence: "jag grinade som fan när min hund dog" means where I live: "I cried like hell when my dog died" but in Skåne it means: "I laughed like hell when my dog died". Same language, same sentence, different locations in the same country.

[@shanewilson7994]

When I was in the Phillipines one of my friends there was telling me of a story, where a woman from the northern area of it (I forget the actual spot) came into a grocery store and was like "where can I find such and such?" And the teller was confused and asked "what do you need it for" and she was like "oh to you know, cut up, dice, and cook." In the northern area its a veggie, but in Manila it was the word they use for nipple. And like your area, same country just different area, vastly different usage of the same word.

[@Lux7355]

My Bible is filled with hilighter marks and notes too 😂, I _genuinely_ thought it made me a wackadoodle before atheist videos on KZbin existed. It kind of makes you think about how isolating it can be in America to not be "a believer", especially "small town America", thankfully, due in large part, to this type of content, that is changing, so truly, thank you.

[@SorenPenrose]

You are my friend now and there’s nothing you can do about that. 😊

[@TimTrOn3000]

Forrest has to be one of my favorite logical people of all time. Wish I could refute bad ideas as well as he could. Dude is top tier

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

The story of Babel reads like one of the crazy stories my dad used to tell me, when he didn’t have an answer. Hey dad, how come people don’t all speak the same language? Well, see, once upon a time, the whole world did speak the same language, but then… When I think about it, much of Genesis reads that way, as stories made up to quiet a curious child.

[@whatabouttheearth]

The Mesopotamians did have a WRITING system that could be read by people of different languages, and I think it's a combination of that and that some Jews were still post that the Babylonians oppressed them so when a major infrastructure project failed they shit talked the fuck out of the Babylonians. 😂 We atheists can say what we want about the story but that is some grade AAA shit talk if it's still repeated more than 2000 years later

[@EskChan19]

​@eduardmedrea1930 Except the people do NOT gain wisdom from it. They just do what the text says because "God said so". In your example: Yes they got the guy to slow down, but the guy isn't any smarter. He didn't gain any wisdom from this. He wa sjust lied to because someone thought that telling him some lie about magical healing stones was easier than telling him to slow the fuck down. So no you are wrong. You are made to believe and act accordingly, so that you reach the intended effect WITHOUT gaining wisdom. It is a tool used to raise people into obedience because "If I do what god says, it seems to work out" instead of actually learning how to solve these issues themselves. And you are also wrong again about how only "creative and highly intelligent types" would understand it. That's wrong, they just understand it faster. The bible was written by some lazy dad who just made up some stories to get his kids to shut up so he wouldn'thave to explain stuff. You could absolutely explain stuff to people if you wanted to. Telling them "because god said so, so shut up" is just way faster. So no OP is actually right and you're actually wrong. This is exacly what the old testament is, stories made up to shut up curious children because whoever wrote it up either didn't know the answer, or didn't want to give it away, either because they wanted to stay in power or because they didn't want to put the effort in.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

@eduardmedrea1930 So making up a lie, that a stone will heal you, is justified if the end result is that the person is saved. Are you saying that the Bible authors made up untrue stories that would lead people to be saved by god? And that justifies the lies in the scripture, lies that huge numbers of people will assume are literal and therefore end up with the completely wrong assumptions? Not a ringing endorsement for the Bible! I think it’s more accurate to say that people have had vastly different interpretations of the biblical stories, especially the first couple hundreds years AD, and in the last couple hundred years. Resulting in thousands of different denominations and religions, including Islam & the Mormon, all based on the Bible and assuming that their group alone has the right interpretation. How lucky would it be, among all the religions ever, if I were born into a culture that practiced the exact right religion with the exact right interpretation of the only scripture! The odds of that are astronomical that my local church would be the one and only only true one!

[@michaelbean2478]

@eduardmedrea1930 Oh...Do you mean like that story in the Wholly Babble where god has the Israelites wandering all over the desert for forty years on their way to the "promised land" when he could of just had them follow the coastline, which would have gotten them there in a few months at most. That kind of guidance?

[@mirandahotspring4019]

makes you wonder why god didn't intervene when they built the Burj Khalifa.

[@unclecarl5406]

Thank you Forrest. Just, thank you. In a world that has gone mad, and seems to be getting more insane by the day, you are a voice of sanity.

[@morlath4767]

Once again I'm grateful my secondary school science teacher was as passionate as you, and then saddened as I remember my college ones weren't. Also, I always love your "questions that need answering" section.

[@jonathanpicket124]

"God must have been more afraid of their legs than their language!" 😂😂😂 Priceless!

[@Sableagle]

I tried working out the Tower of Babel specs once. It gets a bit crazy when you start worrying about the crush strength of rocks and how wide the base has to be to deal with the weight of the tower. That's before you start on the logistics of feeding enough draft animals and labourers to shift the rock and enough draft animals and labourers to shift the food for the draft animals and labourers shifting the rock ... ... and earthquakes, of course. Earthquakes happen.

[@necrosunderground]

I wish I could remember what the video was, but I was watching one about the Tower specs, with specific regards to building materials. They broke it down by the crush strength of the possible bricks that could have been available at the time and location (clay, kiln-fired, sun-dried, etc), and *at most* the tallest they could have made it would have been a decent fraction of the Empire State building before the bricks would have just imploded from pressure. And the base to get it that high was huge. Again, sorry I can't slap a link down for that video, as it was pretty in-depth and quite interesting. I wouldn't even remember where to start looking for it, as it's been a while.

[@chrisholend6463]

You’re forgetting the tower was probably 40 feet tall, and it never existed

[@BurmaJ]

I assume it was an attempt to explain the abandoned megalithic pyramids they found.

[@stephenconnolly3018]

It was made from mud bricks that why we can't find it's ruins.

[@merkel2750]

@@stephenconnolly3018it was made in the imagination of some crackhead thousands of years ago, that’s why you can’t find it’s ruins.

[@whatsupinspace854]

The Tower of Babel story makes Noah's flood seem grounded and level headed. They want us to believe that thousands of years ago, using the best technology at the time - bronze and baked mud-clay straw bricks, they built a building that was 80 miles in circumference, and 4 miles high (the tallest building in the world we are able to build today using carbon steel, plastics and laser measurement tools, is about 0.5 miles high).

[@whispersmith]

Built different

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

That's what happens when you read a few ancient myths as literal history, which was probably never the intention of the compilers of the Old Testament in the first place. Adam&Eve, The Flood and The Tower of Babel were most likely Mesapotamian myths that people told each other generation after generation, and the people who wrote Genesis, most of which was written during the Babylonian exile, already fully understood they were myths and not history. But since the rise of Christianity, suddenly these stories were treated as if they were, bc "it's the word of God, so somehow everything happened literrally". It would be as if now people started treating the Arabian Nights/1001 nights as real history

[@miaomiaochan]

And people lived to over 900 years of age. It beggars belief.

[@colinthomson5358]

Then why do nearly all ancient people have "myths" of long aged people? Why does it keep popping up? Oh I forgot science has made it so we live longer than our ancestors even though our life exp sucks and going down as our health span decreases. Thank you science! 90% of our population is sick! Thank you!

[@s.eckert2682]

Forrest, I love you! Don't ever lose your enthusiasm, your passion for teaching facts and your ability to pun!! I admire your patience with the people of the halfbaked ideas!

[@tamadesthi156]

"god must have been more afraid of their legs than their language" I am dying of laughter, thank you for this video

[@menamo745]

Fuckers must have come straight out of a Caravaggio painting.

[@jenericG]

My takeaway from the tower of Babylon is that humans can defeat God if we team up

[@ReallyBadJuJu]

Right? How badass is that?

[@jackunknown1692]

I more took it as gods a pussy who is scared of us but that works too.

[@SandroZabakhidze]

Get a life

[@emailvonsour]

tower of what

[@pythondrink]

​@@SandroZabakhidze Awwn. Feeling triggered?

[@grabble7605]

"The Earth is set up so perfectly for life like ours..." The Earth began as a mass of like...Space dust and gas and such. And then it was crazy hot for a while. And then it was frozen for a long time. Yes. Very designed for us...

[@roberth721]

When I'm crying, listening to Phil, I realize that my tears are just my connection to my Creator, whose name is Salt Water. Also, just got my More Sci, Less Fi shirt!

[@defenderoftheadverb]

For the "we don't feel the motion" argument it helps to mention Galileo's principle of relativity. You can juggle on a boat or a train or a plane just as well as you can juggle in your living room. All inertial frames can be considered stationary compared to all others from the point of view of anyone in those frames.

[@Herschel1738]

Or to put it in common lingo - you, the balls & everything else on or attached to the train are moving together at the same speed as the train, so they are all stationary from your point of view. It always amazes me how people driving at 60 mph in a car, holding a cup of coffee, don't see the parallel. And, BTW, the balls, you, your living room & the Earth are all rotating together at approx 1,000 mph (near the equator), which is why we don't feel the rotation. Flat Earthers have a problem with this concept.

[@wolvie1618]

Heck you don't even need to bring up the juggling. If you're on a plane, you don't feel the movement even though you're going at terrific speed (you know aside from turbulence). Because you can't feel the speed, are you therefore hanging still in the sky? No, you're still moving, you're just moving along with the plane at the same speed

[@wolvie1618]

Heck you don't even need to bring up the juggling. If you're on a plane, you don't feel the movement even though you're going at terrific speed. Because you can't feel the speed, are you therefore hanging still in the sky? No, you're still moving, you're just moving along with the plane at the same speed

[@melissareohorn7436]

No device that humans have made can determine its own velocity without taking into effect changes, like the inertial nagivation systems spacecraft use, or the outside speeds like the pitot tube on aircradt

[@Cloudii_999]

That guy effectively implied that atheists see the ocean as a god which is really funny to me

[@melissareohorn7436]

poseidon makes more sense than the christain god

[@themilkman6969]

watching him get excited for the first 7 minutes was so heartwarming and then the rest of the video happened

[@AlyH89]

Thank you for all your hard work! I was born into a fundamental strict religion so I used to use some of the “reasoning” he did in this video but all your videos and especially the reacteria have been amazing on helping me learn actual science and helped expand my thinking!

[@Shventastic]

The opening scene from Good Omens season 2 is an apt tongue-in-cheek response to Phil's ideas.

[@jrojala]

I agree. Also, am I the only one who feels like the second (child actor free) season is far superior to the first season?

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@jrojala Probably. No offense to the immensely talented Mr. Gaiman, but without Terry Pratchett's hand in it, it comes off wanting.

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

As usual Forrest explains things with clarity and logically. Debunking these religious creationist big time using the evidence of science and logic.

[@ForgedinPrint]

and sometimes their own book.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Forrest gives me hope in humanity. It's painfully obvious that Duckphill either did a quick Google search, or got one of his minions to search, about astronomy and tried to shoehorn it into language and an argument from ignorance and incredulity. As Forrest said, it's just a half assed attempt to impress his followers who are already deluded. A complete waste of Forrest's time but he thoroughly debunks every inch of it anyway and that's why we love him. 😊

[@Aroniyahu]

Why would mocking religion give you hope? Does it bolster your faith in atheism?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@Aroniyahu Because humanity would be much better off without religions. People killing each other for their beliefs and deluding themselves into thinking they're immortal. It's absurd. We exist in a natural universe, not a magical one. I don't have "faith" in atheism. One could have faith that magical pixies created the universe or that we are living in the matrix therefore faith alone is not a good pathway to truth. The universe and life most likely originated naturally and wasn't poofed into existence by some omnipotent entity from another dimension.

[@bvm3925]

Duckphill 😂😂😂😂😂

[@beverly719]

@@Aroniyahu being an atheist pretty much means “a lack of faith“ in a god...any god. It's interesting how most religious people follow the religion they were raised to believe in 🤔 Coincidence? To me it merely shows just how biased religion (any religion) is. 🤷‍♀️🖖

[@Aroniyahu]

@@beverly719 All I'm hearing is "I don't want to say I have faith in my atheism because I don't want to have to defend myself and my faith." Thats all I heard. I don't buy your argument that atheism is simply the lack of a faith. It is not a lack of faith. Atheism is a faith based belief that God does not exist. The only reason atheists argue your way about definitions is because they want a copout from having to defend themselves.

[@PatrickPaul1203]

11:58 Douglas Adam’s of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy fame said it similar. Imagine a puddle waking up, “interesting world I find my self, it fits me perfectly, so it must have been made to have me in it.” And it clings to the idea as the sun gets higher and the puddle starts to evaporate it’s still desperately clinging on to this belief that this world was built for it.

[@Lux7355]

Love your positive attitude Forrest, I graduated high school in 1980 (to add some context), I _wish_ I had a few more teachers with your enthusiasm, there are just far too few of them. Keep up the good work, pounding facts into these nutters' heads, lord knows they need it. The irony of using that particular colloquial expression is not lost on me, though it is interesting to note how much religion has affected the vernacular over the years, kind of like the "money" expressions, eg, "go for broke", "right on the money" et al....

[@undrwatropium3724]

I graduated in 1990 and I don't think I learned much in small town Arkansas. These videos are great

[@miknwv]

Forrest, I think you and a few of your friends have done more for atheism and reconversion than anyone else in history. You put a happy friendly face to a group of people that many religious people associate with being mean, nasty and immoral. I love watching you on the AE and how you patiently deal with some of the worst religious callers, with a smile on your face and being more humble and kind than I could ever be. You’re a great role model, keep up the great work.

[@Herschel1738]

My old heart sings with joy whenever I find these smart, well educated young'uns promoting science & explaining it to all who will listen on their own time and, often, their own dime. It gives me back my hope for humanity that has taken a severe beating over the last decade.

[@missyoubeth]

Awesome post/ response

[@vimaladevishanmugam5943]

Genetically modified skeptic: Am I a joke to you?

[@Klecksiful]

I hate when people say " we looked on a few planets near us and there is no life. So our earth is the only planet capable of hosting life." We have millions and billions of glaxies with millions and billions of their own stars and planets we arent able to specifically look for life. Why would we assume only we have the privilage to life on such a planet

[@UrbanGardeningDIY]

Imagine if all teachers of the world explain like Forrest. His eloquence make it look so simple.

[@whooll]

Come on man.... You can't be making content this good, this entertaining, this educational, and this funny while not being more frequent lol it's too damn addictive and enjoyable for us not to have more lol I'm mostly kidding of course lol but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more (at your whatever pace you feel like making them though lol) cause you're awesome and so are your videos. Thank You for another one here! Love it !

[@ElRectalo]

lol lol lol lol

[@jdspencr]

"You can't be making content this good, this entertaining, this educational, and this funny without being more frequent" >> I AGREEEEE! "I'm mostly kidding of course" >> and JUST LIKE THAT I disagree.

[@truthfreesusall]

This is what happens when people like Phil believe something and can no longer ignore science, they then attempt to to fit what limited knowledge they have comport with there biblical beliefs. All blown away by a fresh breath of the Forrest 🌳🌳🌳🌬

[@firesofhelel5717]

Yeah, that "if X were slightly different, we would all be wiped out" is a really common Creationist thing. I was taught that growing up. Somethinf common with Christianity and Creationism is not questioning what you're told because it simply MUST be true.

[@TheSurrealist.]

So I’ve seen Phil Robertson in person before. A while before he was doing Duck Dynasty he was just a guy who had a company called Ducks Unlimited where he sold duck calls and vhs cassettes of him hunting ducks. My step dad was super into DU at the time. He took us duck hunting a lot as kids. Well a number of years ago Phil was in Terrell, TX on tour and we went to see him. We thought it was gonna be about duck hunting, if was, until Phil went on a crazy religious rant that made a lot of us uncomfortable. Well, at least my family anyway. There were lots of people on the audience who were like “hell yeah brother!”. A few years later he started the Duck Dynasty shit.

[@undrwatropium3724]

He sounds like a southern Baptist

[@Amish6Stringer]

Bummer! A kid I went to highschool with created Duck Dynasty as a show. He's actually a really cool person and is well aware that he made a monster out of this weirdo.

[@jdspencr]

YSK that Ducks Unlimited is a very old thing. Duck Dynasty fame sprouted from 'Duck Commander' (had to look it up) success.

[@LogicAndFur]

​@undrwatropium3724 he's church of Christ, which is often even worse than Baptist.

[@dennisscott6501]

Duck commander not DU.

[@myah528]

Forrest getting so excited over science things is always the cutest thing

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

Forest: If you want to continue down the physics analysis you were talking about at the beginning, it goes further than that... Position - a single point in a frame of reference Speed - a rate of motion Velocity - a vector representing the change in position with respect to time, which is speed with a direction V = ∆d/∆t Acceleration - a vector representing the change in velocity with respect to time A = ∆V/∆t Jerk - a vector representing the change in acceleration with respect to time J = ∆a/∆t And the derivatives keep going... Next are Snap, Crackle, and Pop. Not even joking here. It sounds like a cereal joke, but it is real. All these vectors can be integrated and derived from one to the other. Physics really is quite amazing, and was one of my favorite series of courses in university.

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

But at the same time, whether you come back to the same place you started from or not depends on the frame of reference you choose to look at it from. Just like it makes sense to describe driving to the store and back as "coming back to the same place I started" in the frame of reference of the earth, it also makes sense to describe the earth as coming back to the same place it started in a year in the frame of reference of the Sun.

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

@@jeffmacdonald9863 - exactly, that's why I made sure to describe position relative to a frame of reference

[@verybigbrain1]

Your assumption that snap, crackle and pop are not a nerdy cereal joke is a serious underestimation of how silly physicists are. Edit: in fact they are en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth,_fifth,_and_sixth_derivatives_of_position

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

@@verybigbrain1 - ok, yes, it is a cereal joke, but my retelling of the units wasn't a joke. I did suspect it was based on a joke, but my physics professor told us about them in class with a completely straight face, so I honestly wasn't sure which came first, the units or the cereal.

[@whatsupinspace854]

19:25 Lol!! Been an atheist for an awful long time. Can't say that I've ever scratched my head wondering "where did all these different languages come from?" 😂

[@siobhanmercer9424]

I think the thing we don’t talk about with Phil enough is that, as far as Christian conservative figures go, he is the most talented orator amongst them by a mile. Even when he’s making absurd claims he comes across as knowledgeable and confident, polite and understanding, just condescending enough to trick the brain into thinking he knows what he’s talking about, you WANT to listen to him speak (especially if you’re FROM the south) and that’s how he sneaks in the most batshit statement you’ve ever heard

[@njhoepner]

I don't know. I'm impressed that Forrest was able to hear the guy out - I find him unlistenable.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

He's just Jordie Pedersin with a longer beard and different accent. Same bloviating on topics they know nothign about, and thus assume no one else can either, so it's safe to bullshit on.

[@MrMild-sv7is]

Idk, Phil can’t keep himself from rambling for more than a minute. He comes off as incoherent and unable to stick to one train of thought

[@incanusolorin2607]

I'm not from the US, so maybe I can't get what makes a good orator localy for you guys, but I most definitely DID NOT want to keep listening to this man mumbling inconsistently without even following a line of thought

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

​@@njhoepnerThe duck man's argument would be like saying - Gosh, The army corps. of engineers Sure was clever to pull the Mississippi river to match the borders of the state of missouri. It's amazing!

[@ShadowTalon--83]

Valkai: talks about space Also Valkai: ASTRONOMICALLY COOL

[@tanjamartinsbur9283]

19:30 AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! As a linguist, this hurts so much. We have a pretty good idea where the language he speaks came from and how it developed. We can explain a lot of the really weird aspects of English that annoy children learning to read and write in it and foreign language learners alike. We know why many words in German e.g. are similar to their English equivalents but different in a way that show regularities. We know how languages change over time and can see this change first hand in documents that are hundreds or thousands of years old. Yes, we do not know everything there is to know, that is why there are still people doing research in historical linguistics. Does all human language come from one ancestor language? Or did different groups of humans (and I would not only group our species in here) begin to use their vocal cords to communicate in a complex fashion independently? We may never know conclusively, since nobody wrote it down or made an audio recording, but what we do know is that it took one hell of a lot of time between “coming out of the ocean” and “having the vocal apparatus needed for language in the first place”. I wish people knew more about language evolution (both in the biological and linguistical sense), because we wouldn't need discussions about the heat problem or the hyper-evolution of species after the flood to completely crush YEC's timeline.

[@paulbradbury7166]

May I just say, you communicate both simply and understandably at the same time, with great entertainment. Thank you.

[@mytmouse57]

We haven’t met extraterrestrials yet because they’re ignoring us, because they think we’re dangerous and weird.

[@jrojala]

Well they’re not exactly wrong about that.

[@einienj3281]

We are dangerous to our own, so it's safe to assume we are really dangerous towards beings from other planets.. "they took our joooobss!!".. 😅

[@undrwatropium3724]

We are dangerous. The human race is violent and dangerous to ourselves and dangerous to others. Christians think Jesus is coming back. Why would he? Look what they did to him last time.

[@brucebaker810]

"Formerly Harmless"

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

​@@einienj3281der tuk er duuurbs😂

[@vanory1997]

The whole "questions about biblical stories" segments should be their own series tbh

[@MyRegularNameWasTaken]

Your point at 18:25 is an interesting one. Back when I was a Christian, I told people that finding life on other planets would be one of the biggest blows you could make to my religion. If we found life on Mars, I probably would've rescinded religion the same day. Turns out I ended up rescinding it before that ever happened, but I still maintain that it would completely shatter a lot of religious crutches.

[@cl34ve]

If we ever do find life elsewhere, it'll either be a vague globalist plot as usual, or they'll just find a random passage in psalms or judges that obviously proves God created life on wherever, and it took this long for science to catch up to what we've actually know all along.

[@mghostboy]

It almost sounds like I’m in a pentecostal Sunday school classroom with Hank Hill teaching the class 😂😂😂

[@SilkyLew]

Hank Hill is more reasonable

[@patricknelson]

lol, the duck ending was perfect.

[@Snakyboopface-Tori]

I love how passionate Forrest is about science!!!!!

[@Michael-o8k7g]

We wirship trump because he travels with us in the universe

[@jounisuninen]

... without understanding much of it.

[@jounisuninen]

"I love how passionate Forrest is about science!!!!!" ... and also about evolution that has nothing to do with science!!!!

[@NinaFelwitch]

The Bible says "god made the heavens and the earth" I have a book that says "Conan the Cimmerian became King of Aquilonia" Another that shows Batman fighting crime in Gotham. And one where a town in Japan got invaded by spirals. All equally true and reasonable.

[@ProphetofZod]

If God created us and living here is “one of the most dangerous things you could ever put together,” that’s because he purposefully made us with specific frailties and made the universe in a way that would kill us because of those frailties. It’s amazing that intelligent design advocates miss that.

[@jimmythompson1979]

As a fellow educator I appreciate your work, Forest!

[@TheInvisibleMan-06]

The Earth was not specifically designed to house human beings, human beings evolved in the best way we could to live on the earth The fine tuning argument implies that humans are the end goal which we absolutely are not

[@jounisuninen]

"The fine tuning argument implies that humans are the end goal which we absolutely are not" ... "which we absolutely are not." Is that science?

[@TheInvisibleMan-06]

@@jounisuninen sorry I just had a stroke trying to understand the question. Are you asking if me saying humans aren’t the end goal is science? Because it’s not science, it’s just common sense, there is no “end goal,” there is just the animal best suited for its environment, and come a few more 1000 years that animal will look entirely different than what it does now

[@ByrdieFae]

I, for one, loved your Tower of Babel jokes. The dumber, the better. 😂

[@petrlorenc7230]

Thank you, Mr. Valkai, this is the very thing I really love about your videos: you're literally explaining, how general high school knowledge brings one to a place of awe.

[@Semabachos]

Your tower of babel counter-arguments had me in stitches😂 well done sir

[@jarnalyrkar]

Are we sure these dudes didn't just show up to play some DnD? This could simply be a lore dump from their latest campaign setting..

[@RichWoods23]

"Hey, Phil, are you goin' ter go dressed like a ranger?" "Yup. What 'bout you?" "Yeah. I know exackerly wha' a ranger would dress like." "Ayum. Me too."

[@idle_speculation]

Every insane conspiracy theory I see, I think, "dang, that'd make a fire fantasy setting"

[@stylis666]

As a total physics enthusiast I have never been more happy than when Forrest went hyper excited over how he sees gravity!

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I started to form a joke about how we should all pitch in to buy Forrest a chemistry kit just so we can watch him explore it.. But then I realized that's not a joke, that's good content.

[@stylis666]

@@BaronVonQuiply And you'd just encourage him to set himself on fire and make containers go VHOOM!

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@stylis666 Oh absolutely! 😃

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@stylis666 I was in a study hall one day in the 90s, the room was one of two Science classrooms back to back with a lab in one. The chemistry teacher walked in carrying a small bowl, put it down on the desk, touched it with a match, and a column of smoke and flame shot halfway to the ceiling. He then silently picked up the bowl and walked out, stopping at the door to turn and say _"That was just sugar."_ before going back to his classroom. We then heard him say _".. and one other thing."_ (potassium permanganate, obviously he didn't tell us that part though).

[@stylis666]

@@BaronVonQuiply I wonder why 🤣 Might it be because back then you could just buy potassium permanganate at the local pharmacist? Hahaha! But yeah, that's a smoky classic that always pleases the the class. Chemistry teachers always have an easier time getting the students on their side. Biology teachers not so much. "Class, for your first day you'll be disecting an onion, and looking at the vegetable cell through a microscope." That's just that much less spectacular 😅

[@herlocksholmes-uv5qw]

Hi, Forrest! I'm a 19 brazilian viewer of yours. I'm what I like to call an ex-vangelical, and watching videos deconstructing Christian arguments helps me a lot to put what I believed into scrutiny and show me which parts of the religion I could, potentially, still carry around with me - such as a readiness to not judge those ostracized by society, for example, something I always looked up to J-boy's teachings to base myself upon - and which ones I needed to discard altogether. I also happen to be a wannabe polyglot and already speak 5 languages to different levels of proeficiency. The story of the Tower of Babbel has been bothered me ever since I grew an interest in linguistics and language learning, because I can NOT see similarities between the languages I speak - Portuguese, English, Spanish, German and French - that are not easily explained through a quick search in History and geopolitics from ancient times. It's quite fun, actually, seeing German and finding so many aspects that English has adapted - they have a past that is JUST LIKE Present Perfect and seeing them use it finally made me understand what the hell is the difference between Present Perfect and Simple Past in English! I love seeing that French speaking people and German speaking people make similar mistakes when speaking English, because their languages have (surprisingly) similarities - such as neither having a present continuous and needing expressions to show that they are currently doing an action. Hell, I'm in love with untranslatable words! Schadenfreude is a personal favorite in German, but I also love words like heebie-jeebies. I love that I can't translate saudade, a word from my native language, while keeping the original feeling of nostalgia, bittersweetness in missing something or someone. I love that I need to employ some words from specific languages to feel like I can express myself to the fuelest of my capacity I'm just saying all of these things because I believe attributing this diversity to some creator being mad that we could reach his home - where does he live at, Olympus?? - does our abilities to create something as passionate and beautiful as language a disservice. We came up with this imperfect, abstract way of processing the world around us and passing our impressions to other people and to younger generations. We use this as a way to tell our stories. It's not a curse.

[@mrbones5617]

As a lifelong fan of Duck Dynasty and a bigger fan of Forest Valkai, let me tell you the moment this thumbnail came up my lungs collapsed

[@truerthanyouknow9456]

I love that your criticisms of the bible are sooo understated. You put them in the nicest way possible.

[@colepuleo6809]

Agreed!!! I love these videos.

[@drdave8607]

Who gets orgasmically happy over things like momentum and gravity? Forrest Valkai, that's who! I'm convinced. Forrest has never ever stepped on a Lego. He's just too damn happy!

[@Walleyedwosaik]

This guy is so wholesome man like he thinks the universe is so cool and he isn't a dick to people who don't believe the same things it's really nice to see

[@qtf0x]

Great video!

[@doctorteethomega]

I love the part where you geek out about gravity. I wholeheartedly agree. Gravity is literally the OG.

[@docbauk3643]

Love hearing what a duck call maker has to say. Can’t wait! Notification is turned on.

[@mytmouse57]

Are you saying it’s quackery? (Sorry, couldn’t help it)

[@docbauk3643]

@@mytmouse57 LOL thank for the smile.

[@TheSurrealist.]

@@mytmouse57Go to your room. Think about what you’ve done.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

​@@mytmouse57 😂👍

[@undrwatropium3724]

​@@Rob-fc9wgmother ducker 🦆

[@pvpunderstood]

14:04 In this video is PERFECT. DONT QUOTE A RELIGION TO SOMEONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN YOUR RELIGION. Its like a Buddhist telling a Christian that they how could they possibly be eating fish, when their sect of Buddhism strictly forbids it? And I see people do this so much to atheists or people of other religions and its drives me nuts. I just dont understand how these people can possibly think their argument has an ounce of value.

[@pequenotamandua5712]

I once read the genesis chapter of the Bible out of curiosity. I was actually entertained, my thoughts were "wow, this is actually a pretty cool story, imagine if it was actually true".

[@incanusolorin2607]

If the Greek myths are amazing, I don't see why the Abrahamic ones wouldn't be

[@rinshepard9310]

“God must’ve been more afraid of their legs than their language!” PFFT I DIED

[@CENSORED-001]

The elevator experiment you talked about at the start, I did it in my high school physics class, but we used different masses and calculated the speed of the elevator in our school, it’s so interesting.

[@nathanspark4876]

Every word coming out your mouth is pure gold, everytime u speak about all the aspects of the topic, all, from every critical point, thanx for what u do bro!!! WE LOVE U

[@armyoftinymoas]

I am SO glad someone is finally bringing up the thicc thighs argument to the Tower of Babel debate! 😂 Another great reaction video, thanks Forest for always pairing solid science with solid jokes

[@whispersmith]

I'm trying to defy God, but the thunderous claps of my juicy buttocks keep alerting the Almighty to my heresy

[@Brynnthebookworm]

Even as a fairly young kid, having learned about human migration patterns in school it seemed fairly obvious to me that the Tower of Babel story could not possibly be literal. Like, even before understanding evolution it was obvious that humanity has been spread out far and wide for many thousands of years, long before the events of the bible, and of course separate groups would form separate languages. I figured that the Tower of Babel story was one of the allegories, but I wasn't really sure what the moral of the story was? It was supposed to be something something hubris, but I didn't really get it and no one really gave a better explanation. Even reading the bible as a work of literature as an adult I still don't really get it. Why is working together supposed to be a bad thing when it's one of the defining reasons for our success as a species...

[@jennifergregory9111]

A lot of the mythos of the era shared a theme of deities keeping humans from attaining the same powers as them. Dan McClellan has an excellent explanation of this in one of his videos explaining Genesis and the story of Adam and Eve's expulsion from Eden...I want to say it is Maklelan1588 off the top of my head, but don't quote me on it, he has so many videos on similar subjects, as the people only really seem to focus on the same parts of the texts😅

[@mastermarkus5307]

It's because the moral is just "obey Yahweh, or he'll kill you", which a lot of modern Christians don't like to specifically follow, but it was very in style at the time to write about your gods like that in the ancient world.

[@randomcdude4430]

As someone who just ended up an agnostic athiest due to some combination of sort of neglectful parenting (this is kind of an instance of a broken clock being right, bad generally but yielded one good thing) and ADHD/autism, I heard the fine tuning argument often. Especially as a person interested in biology (you might call it my special interest, the hell with trains I like critters). I usually missed that those bringing it up were trying to proselytize and just thought they really wanted to discuss the conditions necessary for life and how cool evolution is (that's the probablyautism...probablytism?). Even before I had read/heard/watched philosophical responses to/analysis of or even knew the name "Fine Tuning Argument"; every time that fine tuned universe argument came up my first thought always was, "yeah, but if the original conditions were different, life would have evolved to fit those conditions. Life molded to the conditions, not the other way round.". As I got 2 degrees in biology, my confusion at the use of the FT argument just increased. A friend going to seminary even tried to bring up FT and I just refuted it the same way I had since I was a high school kid in TX. Which just goes to show just how weak and absolutely silly the Fine Tuning argument is. If a clueless high-school kid can see thtough the argument, how do grown adults buy into it? I'm not trying to sniff my own fart and brag about how smart I am, quite the opposite. While I'm not a crayon and paste connoisseur (thats why i didn't join the marines), I'm not the smartest person I've met by far so FT must be pretty dumb.

[@pechaa]

Many people believe it just because they want to believe it, at any age.

[@ripvanwinkle2002]

an agnostic atheist? bro " i dont know if there is a god or not"? REALLY? agnostics are cowards. they know there isnt one but they play a game in their mind that if they pretend they arent sure and if it turns out there is one, they think they can maybe backpeddle into heaven.. its ridiculous and im sure the same lack of spine kept you out of the USMC fun fact the USMC has required a higher level of education to join than the other 4 branches so MAYBE if you ate some paste and crayons you could try to be AS SMART as your basic Marine because right now... OOOOH so far off the mark both intellectually and intestinally.. FORMER USMC 87-89 degree in graphic arts 2 welding certifications CNC Machinist certified.. so yea tell me how much of a hero you are for being broken again?