Are Youtube Critics Toxic for Society

[@a.i.privilege1233]

Was it Red Letter Media that said "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product".

[@bZman]

they also said " arent you glad to have lived something you love die in flames"

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

@@bZman Damn, they get a lot done.

[@bZman]

@ Legends for a reason

[@JohnMBlue1992]

@@bZmanbest to ever do it and i thank God we have Rich Evans!

[@insensitive919]

Too bad they developed Stockholm's syndrome after all that.

[@cheehee808_]

Toxic positivity is toxic to society. When something is shit, it should be called out as shit. That’s how you improve your product

[@unlimitedrabbit]

It's also how you hurt wokie feefees.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Amen I couldn't agree more...I hate rage bait and people using films to sell their idiot politics, racism, and misogyny but people ALSO need to be able to call a spade a spade...Grifters like Nerdrotic and his type of conman occasionally make great points but it doesn't change who they are either and both the haters and shills are two sides of different cons.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

​@@unlimitedrabbitHuh? You sound like an idiot.

[@daviddiggens8841]

Exactly

[@animezilla4486]

I agree if something is bad it should be called out but there is a thing of being too negative

[@deandre6559]

The failing box office shows that even the average person agrees when things are bad

[@DarkepyonX]

The few fails and alot of wins and studios and their investors making bank . Most of these tools get the box office very wrong 8 in 10 times and thanks to one of them debating Act Man we know there is an entire segment of bogus critics to farm hate as a grift .

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT AITEORI HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS TERRIFYING OF KZbinRS.

[@tjroelsma]

Yeah, there's this strange correspondence between the (lack of) quality of movies and series and the rise of critics......... I can't really put my finger on it. LOL The really funny thing is that Hollywood is really fluffing critics who are nothing but positive about their output (the not at all suspicious amount of 10/10 comments that strangely all use the exact same wording), but is instantly butt-hurt when a critic points out problems with storylines, plot-holes, characters, etc, calling it all hate-comments......... riiiiight.

[@insensitive919]

They tried blaming the UNSPECIFIED VlRUS OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN but clearly that was a lie. They know.

[@XWBgaming]

Well, not always. Transformers one is hailed by most fans as one of the best transformers movies out there. But marketing is what caused the downfall in the box office

[@Hollyclown]

Censorship is what is truly toxic to society.

[@ianswinford5570]

Exactly! Companies forcing Japan to censor anime and manga to fit their own agenda is basically imperialism wearing a new suit! This needs more discussion than KZbin critics

[@J4zzhandss]

amen

[@InvaderMedia420]

yep

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Yep couldn't agree more

Oh thank God! You have no idea how many times I’ve been censored for saying BiGNose smallhats are in charge!

[@lordsinister707]

The problem is that KZbin critics are not beholden to any master. They simply give their take on whatever comes out and people tend to agree. That's why the media hates them so much. They can't push the idea of be quiet and consume product

[@deathsdoor07]

When did they get a tank?

[@lordsinister707]

@@deathsdoor07 I meant take not tank. Text to speak is so bad nowadays

[@skylandersfan6954]

I think the media hates them because a lot of them are grifters who are extremely bigoted and uninformed on topics related to people outside of themselves

[@piegineer9130]

In true is most peoples listen to KZbin critics not to change their opinion but to reinforce it. Many critics became popular because their opinion align with most of the consumer, Peoples stop listen to the Mainstream critics because they no longer have the same opinion as the masses.

[@danielwright3929]

That’s bullshit! They are beholden to their advertisers and to the fans who watch their content. Hate and anger gets the most eyeballs on KZbin. Even if an Influencer likes something they have to act like they hate it because 90% of their viewers are hardcore haters and they have to appease them, or lose their audience. Try using your brain for once

[@lifting_weab]

You know what's toxic? Censorship. Critics are just engaging in free speech. People don't have to listen to them. Lol

[@noneya3635]

You are yet another clueless twat who doesn’t know what freedom of speech means. Try reading something for yourself and not regurgitating studio Twitter shit.

[@key-s6507]

True 🙂‍↕️

[@insensitive919]

I think they might be a bit insecure about the quality of TV and films they happen to like. 🤔

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

True

[@daviddiggens8841]

What pisses me off is now that we are told ( what we already knew but was called a conspiracy theory ) the overwhelming amount of censorship that occurred over the last few years to protect a certain political alignment is that now that the zeitgeist has shifted to the center that suddenly the censors are calling "free speech" dangerous and censorship at the same time. Biden's GTFO speech complaining about tech giants controlling information after years of exactly that infuriated me to no end

[@The6thMessenger]

They wouldn't have anything to criticize, if the shits that were coming out weren't toxic to begin with.

[@kostaspassias3815]

Pretty much. There's a reason why this type of channel gained prominence after TLJ. Most of these guys were just normal audiece members not long ago.

[@5olveForX]

​@@kostaspassias3815 And the latter seasons of GOT

[@BeckyPlz]

Yup! ❤

[@kostaspassias3815]

@ Still waiting on Mauler to release the GoT video.

[@KeeperProtector]

Pretty much. If all the bad content were actually bangers, then they wouldn't have lots of videos critiquing badly on the content. Sure, they go a little overboard sometimes, but their criticism is quite true on modern media being slop.

[@punishedcranky]

I never understood how game devs expected people to buy something made as a declaration of hate for the people they make their games for

[@Jackdaw_404]

I think it's because they know there is going to be a group of people that will buy it and defend them when they get criticized

[@MrDezokokotar]

They thought "gamers", as in hardcore gamers, are a small segment of the customers and losing them is fine if they gain more customers elsewhere as a result. They overestimated how big the "modern audience" is. They thought the bulk of the sales are normies who dont consider themselves gamers, and they thought the people on "their side" who also hate gamers are far more numerous than they really are. Well, clearly that was not the case.

[@5226-p1e]

@@MrDezokokotar i think part of that mentality was due to twitter prior to Elon owning it, the site was rampant with bot accounts that would often give the perception that the majority of ppl were for all these stupid causes and because idiots thought ppl lived on twitter and some folks did, but when Elon purged out all those bot accounts and there were hundreds of thousands of these accounts all pushing a narrative. a lot of these bot accounts were found in other social media as well, and that could trick a lot of perception of any of these companies either in gaming and or movies and shows. but every time these moves or games came out the masses weren't purchasing them, that Modern Audience was one in the same as the Majority Audience, but they thought it was the same Audience on twitter before Elon owned the platform so that's why they kept attempting to push the message even when their movies or games were always being rejected. and personally i feel that was apart of the plan from the beginning in order to sway power into their direction politically in media as well in politics, which would explain why everyone went crazy so damn quickly.

[@tomigun5180]

@@MrDezokokotar It's funny when a decades old industry doesn't know its own target audience.

[@MrDezokokotar]

@ Yeah well, it doesnt matter how old it is if people in it are being replaced by new blood and the old are strongarmed and gaslit into towing the line. Its a combination of an ideological bubble , gaslighting and laws. Studios are in big cities which are overwhelmingly more progressive, so theyre biased to think most people believe the same as them. Hheir HR, market research, and various other groups have incentive to lie to them and convince them that dei is great and will make them money. Part of it may be incompetence, part false assumptions, and part just deliberate lies. And then the laws make it very easy to sue for discrimination when public companies dont do dei, so they essentially must do it. Title VII of the Civil Right Act is one of the biggest enablers of dei in the US for example.

[@Q19484]

Well i mean at least the drinker dosen't call me a racist for not likeing star wars 🤷

[@craigavoncheddzone1174]

Exactly but we are humans in the end.

[@crapreact5989]

@@Q19484 you get triggered black people in movies you snowflake

[@AhmedMohammed-mg3wz]

@@craigavoncheddzone1174 talk about yourself, bruh

[@remixandkaraoke]

@@craigavoncheddzone1174 What are you trying to say?

[@5226-p1e]

@@craigavoncheddzone1174 i don't understand your excuse here?

[@bZman]

KZbin critics also get bashed for no reason way too often. AVGN was torn apart for saying he wasnt gonna see Ghostbusters 2016 or review it. (he made the right choice, garbage film) but he said it as he is just a fan of the original and was not interested in a remake and got raked over the coals in how he was sexist POS for not wanting to waste his time or money on what was a POS cashgrab virtue signal of nonstop dancing moments and bad ad libbing by a cast who apparently either cannot be funny without a script or had only the WORST takes make it to film.

[@RunyaEithelNar]

And some of his haters attacked his wife. Because he didn't want to watch the movie. I never saw a letter to paper magazine where writer was attacking family member of critic/journalist, it's like being on internet gave them feeling they have to do everything to hurt the critic.

[@animezilla4486]

The problem is no one likes too respect others opinions. Take me for example I've got called every horrible name because I didn't really hate Ghostbusters 2016

[@skillcoiler]

But he reviewed the one after that..... So that "cash grab remake" was fine but the 2016 one was not even worth watching? I mean had he watched the 2016 one and not liked it or also not watched the other remake.... you would be on more solid ground in your defense..... But given he only skipped the 2016 remake "because he is just a fan of the original and was not interested in a remake" and watched the others..... kind of proves you are weak ground here.

[@bZman]

NO. KZbin critics are good because anyone can have a voice and not be held to the standard of the "journalist" or the "oscar nominated" approved garbage. Rotten tomatoes shows a lot of how the audience and viewers disagree. That is not always a correct analysis but before RT and KZbin critics give better and more impartial personal reviews of movies about if they are good or if they are preachy garbage the paid for reviewers HAVE to love. Everyone knows what Oscar bait is and the reviewers always cream their pants over it and most of the time now it SUCKS. Women Talking could be used as a "humane" torture method in Guantanamo.

[@Achieme]

Exactly KZbin critics are consumers ppl watch them because they not only someone they trust but they are the average like the rest of us. they're not gonna trust journalist like IGN who have hidden agendas and biases for or against something

[@RepellentJeff]

“And not be held to the standard of the ‘journalist-‘“ I’m sorry, but _standard?_ That’s not what I would call it regarding today’s ‘journalists.’ 😂

[@nobodyshome6792]

Don't forget the misuse of labels like "blockbuster" for films that flopped at the box office or didn't even release to theaters.......

[@DrakeIsSerious]

@@bZman the thing about rotten Tomatoes reviews by public people is that those are not even accurate either why you may ask? Here is why people who go to see something or buy a game are far more likely to upvote it because they have heard the news of it seen clips and don't care if the MEDIAS where free the negative/positive reception would be even HIGHER it depends the way i know something is good or bad is... Genre hype sales public reviews in combination granted tomatoes scores are not completely inaccurate just by a good margin

[@5226-p1e]

@@RepellentJeff todays journalists are nothing but payed activists for the mainstream narrative machine, they are not trust worthy in any way.

[@puddintaim261]

“People are more critical of media than they have ever been.” Praise God, not all hope is lost!

[@linusgustafsson2629]

It is like every time media is caught lying, less people think they speak truth. If only they hadn't spent 20 years lying, maybe not so many would have caught on over time.

[@Segadrome]

People will criticize Drinker for hating everything yet suck off Roger Ebert despite him doing the same thing.

[@tyrannozilla]

At least Ebert would apologize for some of his past behaviors later in his life, such as he and Siskel trying to dox Betsy Palmer because of her involvement with Friday The 13th.

[@montez5150]

it's jaw dropping

[@gups4963]

@@tyrannozilla Has drinker messed up bad enough to need a public apology? Also, you do get Ebert has decades of crticism, give drinker some time

[@CarterChaosdiver-cv5lh]

@@gups4963 I mean the worst he did from what I’ve seen was make a B tier movie.

[@Darek_B52]

@@tyrannozilla I don't think that helps counter what segadrome said...far as I'm aware Drinker hasn't tried doxing anyone over a film.

[@FC-ho9hw]

Yeah, guilt tripping people to like something doesn't work anymore. People are finally starting voting with their wallets more than they ever did. They can't ignore us anymore.

[@tomigun5180]

Marxism failed, Marxism fails, Marxism will always fail.

[@kazekamiha]

Critical Drinker: **Points out the obvious failings in media** Shills & Producers: And I took offense to that.

[@stringer2295]

This is disingenuous because as a minority critical drinker, nerdrodic and others of their ilk are clearly super right wing and hate something because a women or minority is in it before they even watch it

[@animezilla4486]

Critical Drinker is mostly negative about media

[@crapreact5989]

Have u seen the movie he made he knows shit about media

[@kazekamiha]

@@animezilla4486 He's also heavily praised Arcane. Hell, his last video I saw was hopeful of the upcoming Daredevil show. Give him something good and he'll be positive.

[@kazekamiha]

@@crapreact5989 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@annienunyabiz6627]

If critics were bad for society, then why didn't they demonize Siskel and Ebert like they do youtube critics? Maybe, just maybe, the blame for the failing box office is the movies are bad + theaters are expensive.

[@nobodyshome6792]

No one wants to spend 30-40 bucks for something that isn't entertaining

[@josephmorelli3408]

​@nobodyshome6792 Or $60-70 dollars a game either. At worst it could be 90-120 dollars for "ULTIMATE" versions. Especially to have a message shoved down their throat.

[@animezilla4486]

Not every in the box office is the movies are

[@nobodyshome6792]

@@animezilla4486 lots release very limitedly or tickets get bought up by actors, producers, writers or publishers. (Points at Cameron, Larson, Disney, Snyder and Reeves.) Charitable contributions can be quite useful.

[@V4Now]

Not necessarily a 1 to 1. Those too still used old media, back when the journalistic establishment had more credibility than today. They earned it the old fashioned way so most of the industry and public respected them. That's not to say people in the industry didn't try to take them down. Roland Emerick ripped off Jurrasic Park and used Sisckel and Ebert charatures to make them look dumb, or M Night with his stupid Lady in the Water where the critic gets mauled by a beast for no narrative reason other than acting a little arrogant.

[@samparker-o1m]

If the criticism is valid and makes good constructive criticism it’s a good criticism if it’s clearly rage bait or it makes stupid points it’s a bad criticism

[@bZman]

And what is the line between rage bait and stupid points or constructive criticism? if you agree with them?

[@georgebootoo4026]

All criticism is valid. How can people not know this ?

[@nobodyshome6792]

​@@bZmanlogic and objective arguments using a consistent standard of quality. Those "toxic" youtube critics explain themselves, and many are professional and successful writers, artists, filmmakers, musicians and or editors themselves. (Like Drinker or July or savage books.) Something that most of the folks who call them toxic cannot say about themselves.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Basically yes

[@GRIGGINS1]

​@georgebootoo4026 dude some just put out conspiracy theories. Points at Doomcock.

[@gavinmyatt5589]

Th3Birdman sends his regards.

[@JimJones-kj8jk]

He totally exposed Alteori's rightwing grift.

[@GirishManeShine]

​@@JimJones-kj8jk 100%, I knew it was coming a long time back and stopped watching. Just came back to see how things are and yup, I was right. You can even see the way she titles the videos too. lol!!

[@theKingofDragons420]

Call me crazy but I support alteori

[@gavinmyatt5589]

@@theKingofDragons420 Why?

[@theKingofDragons420]

​@@gavinmyatt5589because I do think sometimes that people need to break that biased that CB nerdrotic and all other critics are Maybe not that back I also think that sometimes I should just think for myself And maybe this is what people want I and yes Im pretty sure your gonna hate me for this But i think that sometimes fans just wanted something good or better writing liked the sonic movie They are very loyal to fans and sometimes I do think that Hollywood would just listen to the good fans and maybe that doing what the source material Is what actually matter and why I support alteori although Im pretty sure your gonna hate me for this But I support Her also do you think that the grifter insults Nah I think what Hollywood wants is to make better movies for the fans like treating the source material better without being stinky about it Also If you don't know by now alteori made a video about the grifter insult and I do think she made a point about that too and I think Her matter more So yeah That why i support her Also not evey critic is that toxic

[@VeternovaYT]

MauLer has got an extremely solid metric for why he says things are good and bad. His Critique of The Force Awakens is great.

[@bZman]

Mauler is awesome. His whole EFAP crew is to differing extents, all good people but Mauler has facts behind his reviews and he will go into them for as long as it takes to express. No 2 minute reviews from longman. He will explain why he dislikes every part with examples.

[@DeAngryDan]

His "critique" of the last of us and house of the woke dragon was terrible..oh and the last terrible God of war game,he thinks it's great..😂

[@Darek_B52]

MauLer is tolerable on his own. EFAP can become a circle jerk real fast & start becoming annoying.

[@bZman]

@ God of War Ragnarok was well well written, the gameplay was fun, I enjoyed it myself. Last of Us was meh, and I dont touch anything GOT anymore after they killed the whole series

[@bZman]

That is kinda the point, its a group of many different people and personalities debating what they like or dont and why

[@anthonysmurthwaite6258]

Putting the Critical Drinker along side Friendly Space Ninja is wild

[@bZman]

She Hulk, the character was once a super sexy super strong lawyer. Then Marvel made her into a big ugly HULK in the comics because the male gaze is bad, then made a show about her twerking with some rapper because that wud get them the newest of clout points for their garbage show about a LAWYER where the script writers said they had no idea about the law or being a lawyer despite it being her most defining trait. They also neglected the fact she was always she hulk and made her transform so they could show her being mansplained so they can have their girl boss agenda of she so great without ever once showing her good at her job but she will twerk with some celebrity so clap sheeple. IGN gave it an 8 outta 10. This is why we need youtube critics and not paid for hollywood cucks

[@laisphinto6372]

Dont forget they we're so butthurt about KZbin critics they Made the ultimate Bad Guy incels and WE got doomcock in the MCU before actual doctor Doom. Instead of a real Titania she hulk cannot Fight her in an Epic Battle where the City gets leveled she Beats incels its so pathetic but also """strong"""" female Characters.

[@skylandersfan6954]

Regardless of any time else said, the male gaze IS bad and dehumanising to women. That's a valid thing to try and rectify

[@High_Gamer191]

@@skylandersfan6954 😂

[@skylandersfan6954]

@@High_Gamer191 Found the misogynistic

[@sikax13]

​@@skylandersfan6954as long as you believe that the female gaze is equally bad and also something we need to rectify

[@Tallacus]

They are too nice first of all, if I met Alex Kurtzman and the two bozos who run Rings of Power. I would be arrested by those snowflakes for my harshwords.

[@tapiolautavaara9532]

I found this video just lame boring, way unlike her usual content: Alteori just stood on business without exploding on some BS, so the funniest part turned out to be that animated kitten chomping down rice like there's no tomorrow.

[@ThatGuyOnFireKnownAsAndrew]

You wouldn’t say shit you pathetic little baby 😂😂😂

[@BenjiM514]

No way you actually compared Critical Drinker to Alex Meyers…

[@OrangeHatReviews]

KZbin Critics like you and me are not bound by a company and restricted in how we express what we feel. Therefore, we are able to give a more genuine and authentic view of the product. We are also the target audience for the products. So we can provide a more direct critique instead of those who are PAID and not only paid, but PAID TO LIE about movies in order to keep their perk of Early Access. For those who don't know, Rotten Tomatoes was outed by one of the critics back in 2019. Telling people how they are paid to give positive reviews even if the movie was not good. They were told to be bias or they do not get early viewing access to movies.

[@oMassiveattacKo]

Calling the CriticalDrinker an honest reviewer is a joke right?

[@paranoyd70]

Weird how people who criticize the critics seem to neglect the fact that they DON'T have to listen to critics. Also, its really weird how some people have the mindset that they get to criticize others & the things they like...but get angry when they are criticized or the things they like are criticized. F'n hypocrites!

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT AITEORI WORK. 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Underworlddream]

I seen people criticizing the critics and accused them of giving good movie bad reviews when they in reality gave it a good review but they completely ignored it so they could try to discredit them as grifters. I seen plenty of people say "Don't watch his review! He a Trump supporters " as if it effect his ability to see if a movie, show, game is actually good.

[@CasualREDACTED]

​@Underworlddream and listening to his podcast, you can tell everyone has different opinions on movies and what makes a movie "good." Then they have a conversation about what has been said. Like adults with different opinions. What happened to just being adults with different opinions?

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@CasualREDACTED they have the wrong opinions and/or make safe edgy jokes, ehich are downright slurs and calls for hate crimes to the hypersensitive, so they call them the word of the week (like grifter) to discredit them.

[@wolfbane7497]

Well we can't give our opinion on their sights because a lot of the artists and directors have multiple people blocked and want to live in their own Echo chamber and bubble so we have to vent somehow it's just like when Fallout 76 first came out people hated the game and they couldn't tell Bethesda how much they screwed up because they didn't want to hear it or didn't want to give out refunds so our rage had to come out somehow

[@AnAmericanMusician]

I feel like the toxic positivity crowd is far more detrimental for society. At least the "toxic critics" are criticizing for the sake of having something better, whereas the toxic positivity crowd simply wants to browbeat people into accepting the status quo even if it's terrible.

[@rhedosaurus2251]

Funny you say this. As somebody who's a long time JP fan, I've noticed that toxic positivity has largely taken over the fanbase and that guys like me who want a better product are called toxic.

[@animezilla4486]

Being negative most of the time isn't good either

[@callmeej8399]

@@animezilla4486I disagree

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

The fact there are people legit think Hollywood is better than youtube critics are beyond delusional have they seen the amount of mess up things that happen in Hollywood.

[@animezilla4486]

Disagree no one is better than the other. Besides you act KZbin critics never make mistakes

[@keyki9832]

One the best things about the drinker is that he’ll criticize movies and media, but he’ll also talk about things that he likes or things that are good. A few of his peers only produce “hate” videos and while I generally agree with the assessments I also want to hear about positive stuff too.

[@Riseofziggy]

Very good point. I myself favor Nerdrotic, especially his podcasts, because he and I have the same taste and he’s introduced me to landman, Tulsa king, Clarksons farm and a lot of others. Most of his videos are targeted to make fun of Hollywood but his live shows has great guests like the director of boondock saints and brings up actual good stuff coming out as well as more in-depth criticism.

[@kitothekito915]

@@Riseofziggy nerdrotic thumbnails are crazy 😂

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Drinker is the one guy who's not a straight grifter just extremely critical...Guys like nerdrotic on the other hand just rage bait con artists

[@daudimasinde6280]

Moved away from CD when his content went from being balanced between positive/negative reviews to being mostly negative. He realized his negative reviews generated more views aka money and switched up.

[@animezilla4486]

​@@ChrisSmith-tu9bumaybe

[@neilstone3583]

I will wait for your response to Th3birdman

[@half-bakedpotato1078]

00:20 This clip might just be lacking context, but is he really saying that hanging out with people who aren’t film critics reflects on one’s ability to critique film?

[@vhsmemories504]

What a world we live in where people speak the truth and they're labeled as "toxic"

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@vhsmemories504 The toxicity is that SO SO SSSOOOO MANY of these people lace tiny bits of truth into their hate...They hate great things out of their own inferiority...They use film to interject their own twisted political viewpoints as well as their racism, misogyny, and homophobia... THAT'S why they get called Toxic

[@voidcowboy4327]

What truth? KZbinrs are toxic, the amount of doxing that goes around he’ll even Alteroi is guilty of toxicity against another KZbinr

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@voidcowboy4327 Except Hollywood has MOST DEFINITELY brought us joy for MANY MANY DECADES and they do make Masterpieces all the time which in and of itself os crazy hard/impressive...use your own mind and quit copying a stupid narrative and Im calling these Grifters like a Nerdrotic who's a BAD wannabe copy of Critical Drinker and all his even worse copies Grifters because they're ALMOST ALWAYS scamming dumb impressionable gullible minds AND they're ONLY occasionally called racist, sexist, homophobic, ect etc etc....BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS SAYING RACIST ,SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIA BS.... DDUUUHHHH... Hollywood is ALWAYS trying to make hood films that think will either send a great message that critics will like and be regarded for all time like a masterpiece work of art...which they again OFTEN DO.... OR they try and make something that puts butts in seats which again THEY OFTEN DO...and these people spent their WHOLE LIVES... trying to bring EVERYONE joy and entertainment...even people who have different skin colors...and they often use people who arent white just like Captain America, JUST LIKE THE COMICS, and its driving there racist grifters crazy...its there EveryDay on KZbin... You realize some movies take FIVE YEARS to complete...thats THOUSANDS of people working to do something they HOPE will give you a huge smile and often something that'll make you open your brain just a little or put you in touch with your emotions and soul....Thats NEVER something you should OPENLY ATTACK people for trying to do... even if they fail..and these grifters definitely shouldn't use film to try and sell me on their shady political opinions either... especially when their main opinion is EVERYTHING has to PANDER to the middle aged white straight man to be good.

[@Halfort57]

​@@voidcowboy4327proof?

[@Helmutlozzi]

Only thing toxic is people defending corporations for feeding us bare minimum effort slop and trying to force their social engineering down our throats. It's good that we have healthy minded people out there calling out their garbage.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@Helmutlozzi I honestly completely agree BUT the issue is THIS: 1.)A shill is a con artist that hypes things up in an effort to get people excited about entertainment in an effort to hopefully bring them joy when they see something that hopefully they'll like...even something bad...so yeah they suck 2.)A Rage Baiting Con artist Grifter Hater is a BIGGER con artist because theyre not only trying to convince you you to DESPISE everything you used to love but people who have been bringing the world joy and entertainment for YEARS...they want you to be as miserable as them and for artistic creators to have to struggle...theyre whole purposely is to create hate and misery while spreading hatred of race, women, and gay people as well as their crap garbage politics that encourage people to hate other people...They REALLY REALLY SUCK...its good to be critical of bad things...but theres also people who cross the lines...thats VERY toxic

[@SuperMurray2009]

Wrong. You're literally implying that no KZbinrs have any reason to be dishonest about their reviews to generate outrage click bait content. You by very definitely are being toxic by implying that it's not possible

[@thedragon133]

"Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product."

[@biguy617]

Heaven forbid you listen to a critic that isn’t a shill for the movie industry

[@Garoslol]

Accepting that an industry can exist that openly hates their own audience is toxic for society

[@ZachSeineVideos]

Literally every Critical Drinker video: "BlahblahblahblahblahblahTHE_MESSAGE!blahblahblahblahblah"

[@carbootstudios2459]

People can just not give attention to such stuff they don’t want to, nobody’s forcing them to.

[@5olveForX]

They convinced themselves that they hold the right opinion and that is why they are jealous of those people they don't like getting a lot of views or magnitudes more views than they do.😂

[@carbootstudios2459]

@ Fair enough

[@Bag-Of-Hammers]

I love movie and gamer critics. I also watch critics of other stuff too. KZbin critics provide a fantastic service while often doing it in incredibly entertaining ways. It's great content.

[@bZman]

I agree, I especially love the long form stuff where they really break it down so i can comment on what i do and do not agree with. I think that is vital for entertainment criticism, your own biases will always be a part but to break it down really well makes sure that you can make ur own decisions based off ur own experiences and see where they were coming from

[@Riseofziggy]

@@bZman I’m the same, I especially love maulers video essays and when I can’t get that I love efap and little platoon. They get into the details of a film.

[@JDWalker495]

It would be one thing if the criticism was baseless or completely personal. But if so many people share a similar negative opinion on your product and media while constructing logical arguments on why that's the case. I think that should invite some introspection. Film critics shot themselves in the foot by forfeiting credibility for company bribes

[@Virtualblueart]

I'd think attacking your customers and fans for having their own opinions and claiming they are all kinds of evil is actually toxic.

[@Zymemaru]

People used to actually throw rotten food at bad performances. That's nothing compared to some guys complaining about bad media on the internet

[@TropicaIJay]

The thing that annoys me most is when people just blindly call drinker Homophobic. He literally loved arcane, and his favorite episode of last of us is episode 3. No "Phobe" likes that

[@skylandersfan6954]

"Oh, you see, he's not homophobic because he doesn't hate these two things. Please ignore the fact he makes a huge bigoted point of any movie he negatively reviews," lmao

[@TropicaIJay]

@skylandersfan6954 no wonder you guys lost the election

[@skylandersfan6954]

@TropicaIJay I'm not American lol Americans when they realise they aren't the only place on Earth

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

@@skylandersfan6954Citation please?

[@TropicaIJay]

@@skylandersfan6954 right

[@Xx17xX-p7j]

Imagine what the Sonic movie would’ve been without audience feedback 💀💀

[@dreammaster1018]

The KZbin community are the voices of the American citizens of the public. the journalist and critics are the voices of the corporate media and investors. not the public, which is why they're against conservatism and the KZbin community that would speak up against there products In political beliefs that vast majority of the people don't enjoy that they don't like seeing in Western entertainment and tokenization of identity politics of oppression for financial gain of there company over meritocracy, passion, and creativity.

[@joimumu]

I would say even step further they are the voices of the people world wide

[@MaximumPayine]

You guys are proof as to why people say that the American people can't see outside of their own fart bubble.

[@jodsvelis9819]

So sad, you turned into a grifter. Toxic positivity and toxic negativity are both toxic.

[@gregpeacock5497]

Well, one thing to note about The Critical Drinker is that he IS a published author of non-fiction. Plus, the lowest rated book he has on Amazon is 4 out of 5. He has at least 9 published books. So, yeah, I'm nore inclined to listen to a reivew by him than most modern "critics".

[@GeovaneSanciniSR]

@@gregpeacock5497 he also made a movie

[@transformersrevenge9]

@@GeovaneSanciniSR And that movie was terrible.

[@joshuamelton9148]

Better than most things that Hollywood put out these days Now what does that say about Hollywood.​@@transformersrevenge9

[@alsmith9853]

​@@transformersrevenge9So? I doubt he had $100 million budget. Besides do I have to be a trained chef in order to be allowed to criticize a meal at a restaurant?

[@transformersrevenge9]

@@alsmith9853 Budget does not not make a movie. Especially your first one. He had a budget of 300k. You know what other movies were made for around 330k? Halloween, Mad Max, Evil Dead. All career making movies. But that grifter hack critical drinker never had it in him to either be a good novelist or to make a movie. All he knows is to do a drunk voice, and to complain about the talking points that get him views.

[@Knight-d2l]

Last time I was this early Movies were half-decent...

[@Darek_B52]

underrated comment hahaha!

[@jebediahrage8273]

Sheesh. How long ago was that!?

[@Knight-d2l]

@ Too long...

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

I mean, you can hate them, but Critical Drinker, Tyrone Magnus, Nerdiotic, and Jeremy Jahns are some of the biggest reviewers on KZbin, with the Drinker the biggest. And box office numbers prove that most people agree with the KZbin critics. Movies just suck and are trying to pander to the woke audience that doesn't exist. I like the Drinker, he keeps it real.

[@skylandersfan6954]

They're grifters, my guy. They don't care about 'keeping it real' they're sheep following reception to movies while also being hilariously uninformed and racist

[@moonknight4053]

I like those guys too but the drinker literally made a trash movie and yet he expects us to go along w his views. Yes we agree w him but check out his shite film

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@rocksreviewsreactions337 Nerdrotic doesn't belong with those guys...hes the toxic rage baiting grifter type that people hate...he tried to copy and be the redneck critical drinker and somewhere along the way I think Tyrone Magnus started thinking hey I could be the black critical drinker...one guy is overly critical, the drinker... who's embraced this persona which in and of itself is a small con but moreso his legitimate self...Jeremy Jahns is just a great reviewer and then theres a TON of guys like Nerdrotic are just rage baiting wannabes who youd never really know their opinions because they're doing ONLY schtick... theyre the polar opposite to the shill... pretending that everything is awful all the time.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

@@moonknight4053 I didn't know he made a movie. I need to check that out.

[@skylandersfan6954]

@rocksreviewsreactions337 Have you ever thought the reason why he agrees with the general audience is that he goes along with it? People like the Drinker don't keep it real. His videos are safe, takes with a bit of 'woke pandering bad' sprinkled in. His videos are exactly the thing that the movies he critiques are: slop without an ounce of soul or passion

[@milestrombley1466]

Because there are so much content, people want to look for sharks before they step into the water.

[@listenkids]

"nuance" lol

[@rodddxlprime3153]

The people that are derogatory of KZbin critics are the established media critics that are losing their monopoly on opinions and reviews. They took their monopoly for granted and lied to people. Well, nobody likes to be lied to. So the audience went in search of alternate opinions that were more credible.

[@VileGlory]

KZbin critics are just saying what many of us are thinking

[@amandajean7738]

It's not the critics, It's the product itself.

[@OroborosEternalLife]

Interesting that I made a response to a commenter about how Rotten Tomatoes works, contained nothing offensive, and it gets deleted 🤔🤔 let’s see if this one gets deleted too

[@HaleTheFreeVoice]

Yes depending on how toxic they are being. Critical can be fair but on a very rare occassion. Heelzvsbabyface is the very definition of a toxic youtube “critic”. I used to listen them all the time and avoided shit they told everyone to avoid. A year or two later i go back and watch these movies or play these games and they are 1/500th as bad as they made it seem if at all.

[@iennefaLsh]

8:33 Which he apparently isn't immune to, if the "review" for The Boys S4 and a notable chunk of the public opinion on his short film says anything. And he doesn't even bother silencing the feedback (at most, some comments on his videos get unfairly filtered by KZbin's comment filter).

[@natto4now]

Imo i think its not much of the individual being toxic but the fact that people can see someone who they disagree with have a large voice In all honesty for every KZbinr like drinker or alex theres probably 100 of thousand of people who have the same idea but just bother to voice it beyond leaving a comment Where before the standard that you could only have the opinion that goes with the stream, now that theres so many avenues to express different opinions i think thats what makes some mad

[@orbboom6119]

Most ytbers are left leaning i feel

[@hi-xf1iy]

What the hell is she talking about 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@garypfeiffer3489]

My mom wants to see Mufasa. I promise, as soon as she sees it, she'll never want to again.

[@gOat_GrandMa]

you have my condolences

[@animezilla4486]

I want to see it

[@MikotoShinonome13]

Big brother critics are watching you in your life.

[@jonasketch7495]

2:49 The fact that you think that Korea, China, and Japan don't stifle creativity or have extreme political correctness shows that you don't actually know anything about these countries and how they operate. Conformity and stifling creativity are literally baked into Japanese culture, and the Chinese government is infamous for how much they censor their citizens and companies. For example, if u take Marvel Rivals (the Chinese developed game you're showing on screen) and try to type any political message about China into the chat, it will be censored. Do u think that's by mistake? You are of course entitled to your opinion, but when that opinion isn't based in reality, it won't be taken seriously.

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

What she means is the western culture war infiltrating games media. China has its own censorship problems that are mostly unrelated to it. Japan has some problems with the culture war impacting media but to a very lesser degree than other western media.

[@GirishManeShine]

They are toxic and very much, especially the ones in the video. It's ok to not like something, but that's not enough justification to then say, therefore it's bad.

[@putin_1999]

Watching these guys review stuff is better than spending $20 to watch a terrible movie at the theater.

[@Ed_man_talking9]

never let the band wagon tell you what you can and cant do, figure it out for yourself.

[@hatguy2254]

what if it comes with a price

[@fenrirsrage4609]

Thats ironic knowing Critical Dirnker.

[@Krosstic]

Why’d you have to go down this route…

[@sadiethegreat]

Ayo

[@justiron2999]

The audience has been waiting for actual reviewers and critics who weren't bought out by the mainstream media. Like Nerdotic said, "If I didn't like what they said, then I wouldn't be watching them."

[@ChinoWantan]

This is so no true about the KZbinrs like TCD, He (and all his friends) says everything is woke, everything is white genocide, force inclusion.... is not like he even know much about other countries cinema. He literally said he really enjoys japanese movies, and when they asked them about the last he watched he say "well... Old boy, I know is korean... and hidden dragon crouching tiger..." a movie 20+ years old!!! I understand what u tried to say about "real" critics, but hate mongers like TCD is just saying hatefull stuff for the sake of profit, that's not criticsm I bet he do not believe half of what he says, he just say it bc he knows what his target audience want to hear

[@marksmanof117b]

I unironically would be interested in seeing you on Open bar with them. I think it would be a fun conversation and it would be interesting to see your viewpoints bounce off of each other.

[@thenecrophymm6591]

Anyone that questions what they are told to think will always be vilified. Be quiet, do what you're told, and consume product.

[@prettykittycakes]

Honestly I LOVE different points of view about movies. Being a movie critic must be hard these days because everyone is so freaking sensitive!! Even if I don't agree with the critic, I respect their insight and opinions!! ❤

[@Swandog1343]

There were definitely a few people review bombing The Acolyte based on the fact they didn't like Leslye Headland and Kathleen Kennedy. That still doesn't invalidate legitimate criticism of the poor writing and character development in the series which is exactly what access media tried to do after they received paid trips and free gift bags from Disney in exchange for say nothing but positive things about the show and running damage control.

[@misteroddstuff]

The funny thing is that some people dont even watch critics, my friend who loves modern Star Wars and isn't really online hated The Acolyte, people aren't idiots they know some things are just absolutely terrible

[@cjohn64]

I like Critical Drinker but sometimes Critical Drinker "reviews" are clear he didn't actually see the movie.

[@SuperMurray2009]

Spiderman Across The Spider verse for instance

[@nk_3332]

Roger Ebert was a treasure because he could see movies as both an art form and as entertainment. He legitimately could say a movie was bad, but it will be fun to watch. Current critical in the access media have to suck up to the corporations in order to maintain their access or because those corporations sell ads on the critic's publications. People have decided to ignore the maundering of paid shills and instead go to the digital village square, the internet.

[@darthseagraves]

I love the critical drinker and nerdrotic.

[@joimumu]

Then you might like Overlord DVD sure he talk more about behind the scene and protects that are in making

[@robchuk4136]

Echo trailer drops and gets ratioed. Daredevil trailer drops and everyone loves it. Notably, KZbin critics are never an issue when everybody LIKES something. Nor are there articles from journalists about how their positive word of mouth has actually HELPED some projects gain attention. It's only ever a problem one way...

[@jamescollins2068]

Criticism is just people telling you what they like and what they don't like. The only people who hate that are those who can't handle differing tastes.

[@SuperMurray2009]

That is not true at all. Some people are dishonest in their reviews for clicks

[@ianswinford5570]

Here’s my two cents: I think that KZbin critics are more informed and honest than most professionals in modern Hollywood. I love the Critical Drinker because he’s honest and funny while giving valid criticisms. I don’t understand why they seem to be genuinely hated by some people, but I enjoy them and will continue to do so. Love your POV stories, too, Alteori.

[@1refcortez]

I can’t think off the top of my head disagreeing with the drinker once… in all of these years. I’m sure I have, but can’t think of the time.

[@Hollyclown]

I can think of a few things I disagree with him on, but it never discouraged me from still watching him.

[@JamesF-v4x]

@@HollyclownOutstanding attitude to have and something that many people critical of YT critics, and their fans, seem to miss.

[@1refcortez]

But call me biased because space ice and the drinker are definitely in my top 3-5 KZbin creators.

[@JamesF-v4x]

@ always enjoy hearing about another MEGA blockbuster hit movie that showed the world

[@1refcortez]

@@JamesF-v4x YOU GET IT!!! 🤣🤣🤣 that 💩 gets me every time.

[@MuzcleJinx.]

The Critical Drinker is so anti woke that he made a woke movie. 😂

[@ClockworkGearhead]

I think most people misunderstand. They're not telling us what to think, what a regular critic does. They're _agreeing_ with us.

[@JTruong3rd]

Censorship protects no one but the interests of those who push it. Anyway, we're not a hivemimd, but if enough of us, say the same feedback. That's when things should be paid attention to, youtubers included in that crowd.

[@rainmorga]

If critics and criticisms are bad, all you will get is toxic positivity.

[@zacksilverstone7642]

I don't always agree with Critical Drinker's opinion. I think he can be a bit extreme/depressing/seeing things where there's nothing, but I kept watching his video because he has a point that I agree with. Stuff SUCKS now! I watch him because despite him leaning towards the extreme at times, all the stuff he covers, like movies and TV series, oftentimes looks like a Watchtower Bonfire being lit aflame. I watched his video, prepared my expectations and "took a peak" at the media myself. While it often ends in disappointment, it didn't turn into CRUSHING disappointment.

[@ZEN_7RZ]

Critics are important. And, of course, there will always be critical opinions for everything, people are different. It's all up to the viewer's discernment. One should have the freedom to do so with products they consume. No entity has the right to censor that. Anyone who finds this toxic or dangerous ARE the reason why we turn to KZbin critics.

[@jaidora]

For me, the answer is “no” but with a little bit of doubt. I watch a few variations videos about the entertainment industry, mostly from ClownfishTV, and one saying I hear a lot is “the pendulum is moving back”. A major factor is the ongoing problem with censorship, localization of foreign content, entitled elitism within the industry, and hearing the same buzzwords about whatever is causing noise. Seriously, how else can you explain why Mufasa was nominated for best animated film when Sonic 3 outclassed it by a large margin?

[@scyris99]

Naw youtube critics just usually tell it how it is, its social media that is truly toxic on the internet.

[@Buzz3092]

Critics aren't toxic. But CD and his ilk are just the equal and opposite version of people like Anita Sarkeesian from 10 years ago. To them, paraphrasing an infamous Anita quote, everything is woke, everything is DEI, and they need to point it all out.

[@AuraHero]

I'd argue that they are even worse, since I feel like Anita's criticisms came from a good place, even if they were somewhat misguided. At the very least, she was saying that we shouldn't use the same stereotypical plots and characters again and again. Meanwhile, CD and those in his sphere are about limiting creativity to fit within a certain box all of the time.

[@johncrocker4209]

Before I listen to a critic's opinion on something new. I listen to their opinion on something I already have an opinion on. If their opinion meshes with mine on a previous piece of entertainment, I have no reason to think their opinion would shift so drastically that it shouldn't be trusted currently. Time is too limited to waste.

[@katemaloney4296]

Critical Drinker led me to Ken Cole, Disparu, George The Giant Slayer, and Alteori, so he isn't all bad.

[@LunamPuer]

I like The Drinker, mostly because he does seem to try to be unbiased in his reviews. I was surprised when he says he liked a movie or leaves a positive review on something that you'd expect a guy that talks like he does to dislike. Now, I do not take every review as Gospel. I can like something even if millions hate it and vice versa, but I think the Drinker does try to stay pretty unbiased. It's kinda sad that we got so used to avoiding criticism and just embraced the "consume slop, peasant" mentality.

[@PChazman1]

I stopped going to movies or watching TV because it was garbage to me. The KZbin critics are entertaining because they mock the garbage that studios churn out. If the studios don't like being mocked, stop producing trash and declaring it to be gold.

[@BlaineCraner]

I just like those KZbin critics that don't bullshit me. And if they do, I leave and stop watching, just as most people that also feel they are being BSed to.

[@Clambamthankyoumam]

None of it is toxic if it’s valid constructive criticism.

[@UnderratedBurnyBadger]

I will always go back to what happened with Disney and Don Bluth. If Disney hadn't pissed off Don and his friends and driven them away, Don would never have created his own studio and made his own films separate from Disney. He would never have handed Disney their entire ass at the box office. And that failure never would have driven Disney to the Disney Renaissance. Bluth criticized them first. They didn't listen. So he made his own movies and SHOWED them he was right. KZbin critics largely don't have the resources to do that second part, but they **are** doing the first part. And that criticism is what these big corporations need. They've all gotten too big for their britches and believe they're too big to fail. But now the critics are showing them otherwise by pulling in more views than their big budget blockbuster films and drawing bigger crowds than most AAA games. So no. The critics aren't toxic. The out-of-touch entitlement and sheer hubris of our entertainment elites is what is toxic. You don't get to be an asshole and then say someone ELSE is the asshole for pointing out that you're being an asshole.

[@David-qk7um]

Never ask car dealerships what cars a garbage. Ask a private mechanic. Same with movies games.

[@jamestaylor2333]

There are some critics who don't seem to like ANYTHING but the juxtaposition is... There isn't much to like. Add alongside that some people's inability to agree to disagree and it just compounds the toxicity. We all are going to align with those we agree with more than those we don't but the key is being able to listen to people we don't agree with to try and at least see what they're saying and where they're coming from. Some people's off switch gets automatically flipped and they tune out. For example, Mauler despised Deadpool and Wolverine while I absolutely loved it. I listened to his criticism and while I think he expected WAY too much from the film, at the end of the day he's entitled to his opinion and his didn't change mine. I think if more people were capable of doing that, this conversation of if critics are toxic wouldn't be a thing. Siskel & Ebert had been doing it for years. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@AndrewSun15]

The narrative of “if you don’t like what we make you’re toxic.” Needs to stop. Drinker is opinionated, and can be divisive. Whenever I disagree with Drinker I just ignore it. It’s really that simple

[@SuperMurray2009]

I can't stand this lazy argument that all critical Drinker takes are just "his opinions". Critical Drinker has been shown countless times to have been dishonest in his reviews to drive home a political talking point when the films he reviewed didn't even have any. That is not just giving your opinion