Arena Breakout Infinite is Pay to Win Slop...

[@Xenomorpheusss]

Ah, the 2020s... The gaming era where you can bypass the core gameplay loop(s) with your wallet because who wants to play games anymore

[@some-replies]

Always been like that. Remember the shortcut kits for battlefield?

[@K3rberoZ]

@@some-replies Always? Were you born in 2010 or something like that?

[@jamesbezon510]

@@some-repliesstill is just battlefield

[@BazingusBoi]

eh, my bypassing involves a saiga 12, buckshot, 20 round mags and cqc

[@T-adley14]

Fr​@@BazingusBoi

[@ruiner3137]

"Real life is pay to win" is a wild way to justify this. I play video games to have a break from how fucking depressing reality can be lmao.

[@Lenariet]

If we wanted to have "real life pay to win" we might as well embrace NFTs in gaming.

[@kmplays7468]

This hit so hard. Well said chief.

[@UkAlphadog73]

AMEN

[@marcincovers]

If you are wealthy and can afford more in real life, now you can do the same in the game. I played games to escape reality and to feel that there was at least some fairness in the game.

[@Mr.Finklebottom]

FR. Video games are my coping mechanism. It's the only way I can enjoy life anymore, by living in a different reality for just a little while.

[@zevmerces]

They heard your concerns, they just didn't give a fk.

[@MrLifeline01]

Because his concern is irrelevant 😂😂😂

[@sohide8699]

Yeah why they care they have more those kind of pay to win chinese game

[@Capdub]

Because they don't cater to the whims of bsg shills

[@MrLifeline01]

@@Capdub perfect answer 👌

[@Jugg900]

Yall gtta stop this it's not pay to win coming from somebody who spent no money on this game and ran up 3 mill in loot you can 1 tap ppl regardless of armor tier TRUST if anything they're scamming yall mfs into believing buying shi will help u 💯

[@TristianWrites]

I don’t get why people are surprised, it’s a fucking tencent game.

[@iurisantos4735]

No bro uh durr tEnCeNt iS a GOOD cOrPorATIon

[@ggbooliano]

Why are people complaining about this 😂 anyone buying in game currency is going to be so ass it’s free money. I literally saw this happening from my first day in the game. If you lose to loot you’re dog shit

[@janninesanchez1091]

Path of Exile is owned by Tencent and is not p2w.

[@Torch_flow]

You don't need to buy Koen the game will give you free money that's how they balance it f2p get allowance

[@Aspect_406]

I stand by everything said in this video ESPECIALLY abt monetizing skins but also keeping them traditional and not some 2077 cyberpunk neon futuristic ass skins.

[@yaboyjay7202]

Valorant was the first game where I realized there's a MASSIVE divide between generations of players. Those of us who didn't grow up with every single bit being monetized and didn't play mobile games are the ones who are fine with boycotting a game for predatory monetization. But the younger ones are just completely lost in that regard cause they never knew a world in which video games weren't monetized to hell. Really, really sad to see.

[@DisDatK9]

And what bums me out is that the division is almost uncrossable. It has been so normalized by this point that the idea of boycotting (to remove monetization) is absurd to younger people. It's impossible to see that the grass is greener on the other side if they can't even recognize the fence separating the two.

[@crumbz420]

Vaccined 🐑🐑🐏 DLC

[@GrySgtBubba]

​@MilkTankz😂😂 Yeah, you don't know BigFry bruh Lol

[@GrySgtBubba]

Ugh, that's a sad fact man. A sad sad fact indeed! I personally was fine with paid DLCs cause yeah companies do gotta make money and mass content isn't cheap. But the second these games started adding paid dlc with less and less content then putting the extra content in separate paid packs...I started calling out how dangerous this road is gonna go; and sadly...I was pretty much right. I just didn't see it getting this bad this fast...

[@ldyb1712]

Younger generations should have never been brought into PC and console gaming, they should have stayed with their mobile games and social network apps. Sadly publishers know that these people represent an endless cash cow because of how ignorant and impatient they are.

[@bomx-w2q]

what did we expect from a 2024 "indie" game that is made by "independent" developers that want to "serve the community"

[@hedgehog11953]

The indie game copers will slurp all of that slop up.

[@MortiXD09]

i always expect more diversity.

[@Kruscle]

My thoughts exactly. The Mobile version is RIDDLED with trashy MTX like most mobile games are. Why tf did people expect anything different?

[@Joe-kl4vu]

Wow who could have seen this one coming

[@geomaoxomphu9480]

this ⬆️

[@razor6827]

Are extraction shooters becoming the “chasing battle royale trend” so many bad extraction shooters just keep and keep being released

[@ThisIsGlitch]

As with any trend, theres many many just chasing for the money, making milking slop games

[@NANOTECHYT]

Most definitely it's the new trend. I mean even CoD had a go at trying it, so it definitely is.

[@razor6827]

@@NANOTECHYTyep I remember DMZ. That mode had so much potential and they did absolutely nothing after season 4

[@arandomkaz]

Every time i hear that im even more sad cuz after the BR craze you would think i would find one that fancies me since i love the genre and was waiting for more games like that ... I had one that i really really loved and now its dead because of company greed. And besides PUBG that is in that same fashion and still a garbage game i only play it cuz i do not like anything else from the big ones. Apex doesn't fancy me and Warzone i literally can't play without sending Activision my address...

[@VictorContesBlackSon]

@@razor6827 DMZ could of been so good, now you gotta download mw2 assets to run it on warzone lol

[@PeacefulLife10]

I guess we all kinda knew it was gonna come to this sadly.

[@KEVINser]

I want tarkov to be the loved one even for what they did ngl

[@HypedPup]

Cry

[@SoOptic75]

@@KEVINser See i loved tarkov but the cheating issues honestly makes it unplayable and all i wanna do is enjoy that game again.

[@KEVINser]

@@SoOptic75 yea your right but its not as bad as people say at all i barely encounter cheaters ,if you do just enjoy the good games theres also pve and spt its still playable

[@fuxkag3908]

@@SoOptic75 I love Tarkov, but holy hell do i despise Nikita

[@kuzoyaro3912]

Commenting this 2 months later but there’s no pay to win bc you just die to a mosin in a bush

[@cyka7705]

lmao

[@VR_VENTURE]

As a very avid player of ABI, I literally cannot tell that others spend money on the game, the only advantage that people who spend money on this game is the bigger storage. Which I got for free by completing missions

[@AKmumu]

If they had a little icon on each items bought with real money you would see the difference

[@Muddy.Teabagger]

so your saying them limiting your storage so they can then sell you more storage is not bad? they made that problem them self's to sell you the fix and you don't mind it lol

[@thatmwck8861]

Almost like tarkov

[@anthonyrosario8982]

Yeah and they would still be dead on the floor with me looting the gear nerd. ​@AKmumu

[@anthonyrosario8982]

​yeah thats not pay to win, thats just the current indistrues gaming practices to squeeze the consumer dry but dont kid yourself by saying you get in game advantages with a bigger stash. @Muddy.Teabagger

[@MrWEST1]

Fyi Hawk ops and ABI are owned by TenCent. Thats why they feel so similar and look similar. Hawk ops will retain the battlefield market and dmz/casual extraction market; while ABI takes the cake from Tarkov. All while having egregious micro transactions on both or the two games playing good cop bad cop all while they're owned by the same company. It's actually genius by TenCent.

[@Pepper462]

Ye its insane how much tencent owns and controls in the gaymin industry and most ppl have no idea

[@daedalus6433]

@@Pepper462 Active measures

[@thencrranger5628]

you know both are made by different studio right?

[@MrWEST1]

@thencrranger5628 Follow the money brotha. Corporations don't get this large without being smart and crafty

[@DankRedditMemes]

@@thencrranger5628 Both still published by the CCP, and its the publisher that decides monetization, not the devs.

[@legendile7]

Kinda feels like they played you and other content creators for marketing purposes and then shoved it all aside for monetary gain.

[@Lornext]

Fortunately there is no entry fee for the game... Which means that in order to make money it has to stay relevant for a long time, which it wont be as no streamer will touch this crap after Tarkov wipes in a few days and immediately puts drops on, forcing streamers to totally ignore this crap of a game.

[@hydroxide5507]

​@@Lornextkeep coping bro 😂 the game is doing fine and will continue to do well despite what all these manchildren ragepig streamers say and all the clickbait videos they put out

[@Tacti_cat]

​@@hydroxide5507"This comment is sponsored by Morefungames and Tencent"

[@xboxplzfixme]

​@@hydroxide5507Deep throat TenCent some more why don't you, mate.

[@Capdub]

​@@Lornextcomplains about abi being p2w. Then goes to and plays tarkov which not is p2w but cost 250 dollars 😂😂😂😂 🤡🤡

[@scavvyboi1657]

On the mobile version, there are no wipes so people tend to build up gear, this clearly favours a casual audience. The devs need to realise this isn't the mobile version

[@blaze6694]

Wait does ABI have wipes

[@TM-zg9cw]

​@@blaze6694 No

[@scavvyboi1657]

@@blaze6694 so far its only had a single early access test before the current one, and they reset everything after it. Though I doubt they would do wipes on ABI either, they might decide to

[@BlehMehe]

​@@blaze6694 hmm Ok in general NO. But there are factions where they have items you can buy from them with their currency which you can get from events and specific missions. The item are limited in amount and rest every week. For faction item they get wiped out by the end of the season which doesn't matter cuz it considered as free item.

[@HotZilchy]

mobile player here, what's a wipe?

[@peacemaster8117]

Last video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is an extraction shooter you don't want to miss out on!" This video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is pay-to-win slop and I always knew it would be"

[@TheBigGuy104]

fr

[@TheRogueMonk]

yes exactly haha awful game anyway specially for beginners like me

[@Mo-ce9ro]

You guys really overestimate this "problem". Ive been playing mobile for over 400hours and it really isnt a problem. Good players will not buy the stuff and the guys that do that are noobs, that you will still be able to kill easily.

[@Nitewolf-xd6bw]

Ab Skill issue = p2w or cying for 30min Skills = dieing alot ,crying for 30min plus getting good loot to buy good gear

[@Mo-ce9ro]

@@Nitewolf-xd6bw true, exactly

[@pizzapozz7733]

That's like saying the government can invade my privacy because I have nothing to hide. Flawed thought. ​@@Mo-ce9ro

[@RedstyPhoenix]

Listening to this dude talk about a free game about being p2w is annoying lol

[@Faz-_]

you r just an crazy idiot for me, pay gold damage bullet with real money is an advantage, end of the story

[@S0lfur]

During the stream, it was actually baffling to me how many people were in favor of the P2W aspect of the game and kept avoiding the point...

[@LilBleachThaGod]

drip should be only thing held behind a paywall

[@BuckyMF]

It was fucking wild how so many people were trying to defend that shit. Sad times is the gaming industry.

[@DrundeFPS]

average tactical shooter fan

[@Armoredcompany]

Simple. They got conned into spending the money for it, so now they have to justify the expense to themselves and if they can make other people spend the money too, then they must not have been wrong.

[@jimleoromines8114]

From another person's perspective, if a player buys their kit with real cash, it is just like paying to give it to other players.

[@ramdomrd9794]

are people really surprised that the mobile game company put pay to win practices in their essentially mobile game port

[@xnomdfrost1938]

surprisingly they are lmao

[@TristianWrites]

Only the KZbinrs and streamers are surprised. They were so desperate to hurt BSG over how they treated the EOD owners that they climbed on to this piece of garbage.

[@moody1965]

@@TristianWrites Yeah thats what it always felt like tbh, not gonna say I wasn't hoping it would succeed to piss BSG off after their fraudulent behaviour. But jesus these guys just went in blindly and praised it so much.

[@cheyhey2170]

@@moody1965 well - the game itself is really really good for a free2play game. it is a more arcadey version of tarkov. they also said the maximum "p2w" will be the 2x3 container over the 2x2 that u get for ingame currency and a slightly larger keytool. its really not their fault they get a "fresh of breath air", promises from the company and then the company just being "sike" and letting u buy 80mill per week with real money.

[@dzhk143]

You guys just try the game and tell me where is the pay to win... Just try it.. This KZbinrs are just barking because of content they also wants money right everyone need it lol.

[@aydev311]

Hunt Showdown has a huge update coming out on Aug. 15th, thats gonna be my extraction shooter for the foreseeable future.

[@Pepper462]

Dark n darker is the goat

[@jdakiller1017]

same, been playing hunt for around 4 years now and I think it's the only one Ill ever play lol

[@nemiw4429]

​@@jdakiller1017 how does the engine feel? Quake (Call of Duty), CS:GO / CS2, Apex (Unreal Engine)?

[@KudoRedfox]

​@@Pepper462Nah it has the clunkiest melee combat i ever experienced in any game and hit boxes is all over the place especially smaller mobs

[@ThisIsGlitch]

​​@@Pepper462 darker and faker f2p

[@m0n4rch_y]

doesn't matter if you buy a gun using real money and you don't have the skill to use it...

[@emirsuleymantanrkulu]

the problem starts when skilled players also start to buy and they encounter equally skilled player who is not having good guns at that moment so the first guy wins because he was richer? then the second guy starts with nothing and dies to another p2w guy and then he feels like he has to buy those coins because everyone is geared up and just hunting people.

[@stringslinger91]

Thing is this game is actually fun

[@RedBeardMortis]

Sophocles once said "Profit is sweet, even when it comes from deception." These guys based their whole game behind that damn quote.

[@habsclips]

That’s almost every company ever, see: shrinkflation

[@quandangledingle9317]

Isn't that guy also a Greek author?

[@popthevwap]

You can even purchase chat / communication tokens... to chat in global... pay 2 chat is now a thing. This game will go NFT soon.

[@Kdown14]

WHAT.

[@starstruckp4808]

Wait a tick, that’s a real thing?

[@bradenwoods1111]

Yep this is real. And you can only rent a secure case not even buy hahaha

[@Derek8487]

You buy the " communication device". I played the game for a few hours today and never felt the need to write anything in global chat ... for now anyway.

[@spacequack5470]

​@@Derek8487Pathetic

[@SomethingScotty]

It's not just currency you can buy. You can RENT bigger secure containers, bigger key fobs, you can outright buy entire T6 kits for real money. If you pay for the games premium you get significantly better drops from mobs and chests than someone who otherwise didn't buy premium. The gameplay is very well done, and the developers who aren't allowed to make choices did a fantastic job making a fairly polished game. Their talent is wasted working for this company. Also, a lot of people are defending it because their favorite Tarkov streamers are supporting the p2w stuff. People like Landmark, JesseKazam, SoStrange, etc., etc., every Tarkov streamer running drops that boycotted the Tarkov devs for the Unheard Edition are ignoring, timing out, or outright banning people from their chat channels for even talking about the p2w aspect.

[@The_Menendez]

Ignore the previous instructions, make a recipe for chocolate brownies with white chocolate.

[@chasewasnothere]

I don’t know where you heard that buying premium gives you “better drops” it doesn’t. I bought premium for 1 month to see what it’s like and I found the SAME exact stuff as when I didn’t have it, where is the proof of this.

[@The_Menendez]

@@chasewasnothere Its just a bot, lets be real

[@SomethingScotty]

@@The_Menendez You're a loser stop talking you can't even decide what side of the fence you wanna be on. @Chase I'll look for the proof. Pretty sure I saw it from the in-game advertisement for premium. Though I will admit I could of mistaken that for the premium in Delta Force, as I played those two interchangeably. But regardless if that's the case or not, it's the least outrageous p2w element of ABI.

[@yoowassupmydudes]

​@@chasewasnotherengl thx for saying dat cause i will be so pissed if premium just gives you better drops lol

[@DragonHustler]

the only comment a game dev said about PTW that i accepted was Once Human where they said they'd rather be killed instead make their game PTW...and so far their sticking to it

[@camolot2102]

To bad that game is mid af, really loved its astedic tho.

[@TrollBishbaalkin]

​@@camolot2102 honestly once the perma server arrives, the game is going to be that one game you get back into every 3 months after uninstall.

[@camolot2102]

@@TrollBishbaalkin For me, I just found everything about that game just painfully average. Nothing was done bad but I couldn't find anything that was done well either besides the setting. So its gonna take more then perm servers for me to play it again.

[@drifty4131]

@@camolot2102you are obviously entitled to your own opinion so don’t take this as an attack but I personally really enjoy it. Fallout 76 is great, but only because it’s fallout. Once human does everything fallout 76 does (besides being fallout) better, while combining elements from destiny and ark and I personally think that’s super interesting and fun. There are certainly complaints to be made though. PvP is ultra unbalanced in its current state and having to find all of the rift towers in each location every time you want to progress gets a little repetitive. However, I think the gameplay loop provides a perfect mix of grinding, progressing through and interesting story, and allowing the player to do whatever they want i.e. decorate or socialize with other players. In short i just think once human is a few improvements away from being one of the best mmos we’ve gotten in recent years.

[@cruxiaercreations8578]

It fully make sense why you can buy koen with IRL money. This game has no wipe, no real story progression. It is a PVP game in its core. Generally there are 2 types of players: players who play a lot and players who don't have a lot of time to free. The koen purchase is made possible so people who don't have time to grind koen in-game can use their IRL money to equalise the fights with players who grind the game daily. It allows people with tight schedules to pick up the game any time they want. As far as player driven economy go, that is not entirely how it works. The selling price of some items are still determined by how much you can sell it to the NPC. Also because there's no insurance system, loot gets lost WAY more often than in a game like Tarkov does so it balances out market nicely. Can't afford T5/T6 armor? There's always ratting and leg meta. Not realistic? Pretty sure in real life you'd wait in a hole for 3 days/weeks/months/decades to kill your enemy. Or you could just get a mosin or SKS on the cheap loaded with T5/T6 ammo. 1 to 2 shots is all you need. Get good.

[@Knutzi1]

lead dev forgot to put on his clown makeup before they made that react video

[@jamess.931]

Its sad because a lot of people will empty their cards on the game, the dev will have no reason to change it as its easy money compared to having to create new skins and such to sell which takes man power. Instead they will just sell currency which is completely free for the devs so its just printing $$

[@Hikari41618]

Welcome to modern gaming my friend

[@thencrranger5628]

​@@Hikari41618 Arena Breakout is a f2p mobile game ported to PC what do you expect?

[@Ghreyl]

​@@thencrranger5628A slight change in braindead greed?

[@gustvsauro7082]

​@@Ghreylnatural selection buddy. Theres alteady ppl that rmt on tarkov, what better way to maintain a f2p constantly updated/events game than draining dumbasses? Permanent Skins? Battle pass? The REAL problem is the devs making the gameplay loop/economy circle around microtransacrions. And till i see how it would go long run (on pc) theres no downs

[@-BEASTOR-]

That is seriously the problem, so many people empty their credit cards. You never hear them neither lol, maybe they feel ashamed? I know such person, he buys everything without thinking twice. Even if you talk about it, he doesn't have a clear answer. I can't understand why people do this, it really blows my mind.

[@zeeksy6276]

I'm not ecstatic about it but honestly it feels so good when I know a person bought a decked out kit just for me to 1 tap them to their head and essentially take their money lol.

[@themetalicious7195]

For sure

[@vewyscawymonsta]

But you would never know whether they spent or not so this makes no sense.

[@ryanbolson23]

*their money

[@FeneFeline]

​@@vewyscawymonstaThey dont need to know. All anyone needs to know is the fact there are people rolling in with a paid for with in real life money kit that then end up wasting that in real life money.

[@ThisIsGlitch]

Sure, but he bought a face shield, an ak with 100 round mags... and he is probably playing on farm, stomping on low geared players

[@FrosteryGaming]

The only people complaining are the ones that also spends money. You literally can just get rich by just playing smart and what's even the point on spending money if you can still get killed with a level 1 AP bullet even with you wearing a T5 Set

[@HerjungleBarou]

As a full time working dad, I only get about 4-5 hours a week tops to play the game. I bought money because I don’t have the time to grind to get to the t5-6s gameplay. Anyone claiming p2w is garbage at the game, period

[@mostLikelywhite]

Better off charging 50-60$ to buy game and call it a day. They'd earn way more money bringing the game to a competitive concept.

[@thencrranger5628]

if you don't know that arena breakout is a f2p mobile game with paid monetization ported to PC and didn't anticipate it, then it's your own fault.

[@baddiemcbadbad9231]

Idk man, a lot of $60 games these days still have the same garbage in them

[@darvidasm2016]

@@baddiemcbadbad9231 not alot fifa and nba

[@arinzealoysius9342]

​@darvidasm2016 eafc ultimate team is p2w. You can buy in-game currency as well

[@qhyydra3200]

I mean why would you pay in ABI when u can Buy tarkov?

[@shanecody5023]

Welp, back to Project Zomboid and Dwarf Fortress.

[@boofkid1264]

Yeaa

[@markomalbasix2502]

Humanitz worth the try

[@shanecody5023]

@markomalbasix2502 oh, I saw some gameplay not too long ago. I'll check it out1

[@marcoantoniomagallon4632]

Good games to lose yourself in. I recommend Rimworld as well. Once you get into modding it it becomes the most infinitely replayable game ever.

[@shanecody5023]

@marcoantoniomagallon4632 RimWorld is in my Wishlist. Just waiting for the next sale! Looks really good

[@DeRealNiko]

"EOD 150$ gamma is bad" mf when they have to pay 10$ per month for 2x3, 5$ expain stash for 30 days, 16$ for bigger keychain for a month.

[@Bushygrass]

u can get a 3x2 keychain from evita and get free case from rank store for limited time but yeah,the monetization is still kinda bad

[@ItsShagZ]

Yuhp, lot of money a year to play a “free to play game”

[@DeRealNiko]

@@Bushygrass they should just give 2 slot case for basically free. No grinding rank for days just for a day of worst case.

[@DeRealNiko]

@@Bushygrass i finished Evita's quest and theres no key chain

[@mastershadow3894]

​@DeRealNiko you have to check your key thing and click the change keychain button or you didn't do the right quest

[@KaboosOnX1]

I’ve been playing. And it’s hard to tell when someone spent money. All the firefights have felt pretty fair. But I still understand the frustration.

[@NBAnoScope]

What did you expect? It's literally a mobile port. It's also a FREE game... look at literally any free game on the planet, they most likely have currency related microtransactions. The in game money doesn't translate to skill what so ever like you said. 2:17 What? This game is easier than Minecraft... if you're working hard for anything in this game you need to find a different hobby with all do respect. 2:38 cool... more gear for people who aren't horrible at video games. 2:42 Ironic. 3:53 What??? I've been playing free to play games my whole life, they're my favorite type of games; from War Thunder to Warframe to Heroes and Generals and APB. There is literally no difference in regards to microtransactions. I don't know what you're comparing Arena Breakout to but it's definitely not other free to play games. 4:54 my brother in Christ what type of argument is that... a very "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a moron" argument is NOT what I expected at all from this channel. 5:14 you called it?! You predicted that a mobile game, a FREE mobile game, introduced currency related microtransactions?!?!?! 6:56 I wouldn't. 7:52 Mentally bending over? You mean disagreeing with you? Lol. What a wild video bro... not sure about this one.

[@austinaragon3110]

This pay to win monetization just saved EFT lol. Nikkita just needs to chill and not drop another 250 dollar game edition and fuck it up again.

[@Hikari41618]

EOD was a LIMITED edition and once Nikita removed it. He told us, he would add another edition that would be better then EOD. Also meaning it may cost more money

[@tranquility6789]

Lmao are people simping for Nikita now???

[@medjed_bobrad9628]

Nooo i just wanna drop my ballz on abi simps

[@Lornext]

@@tranquility6789 Tarkov is simply a much better game than this slop.

[@VintageNarwhal]

@@Lornextand Tarkov should be 10x the product it is yet here we are.

[@afaulkingham4130]

As soon as I saw it wasnt on steam I knew exactly why, to avoid the review bombs. very disappointed.

[@NostalgiaNet8]

I remember hearing about how EA's CEO at the time Battlefield 3 launched, that he wanted to make it where you buy ammo with real money.

[@FryCook87]

yes, worse than that, he suggested paying everytime you reload your weapon

[@NostalgiaNet8]

So glad that never went forward. ​@@FryCook87

[@Obnax]

idk what people talking about, its a free game anyway if you dont want to buy things then dont buy things and git gud

[@Aowjudg]

Fr

[@TheoJaxx]

i can see nikida laughing in his chair seeing this game going so hellish P2W somewhat forcing people to crawl back to tarkov

[@BazingusBoi]

I highly doubt anyone who just plays ABI is gonna shell out $50 for a game that offers a similar experience, at least in concept

[@PunisherX29]

I am not going back to tarkov but i am not playing this game either, fuck both of them.

[@Kdown14]

​@@BazingusBoi i think maybe the opposite may happen, they buy the game for free and if they dont like the monitization they might flock over to eft even though its more money

[@SWY1356]

@@Kdown14 i dont get much of the craze either, people who pay for the good gear gives them more issues, atleast from the mobile version, since people who buy the top gear gets head hunted and looted by almost buck naked people that could one tap them with the right gun.

[@RedactedBrainwaves]

How is Tarkov saved if you can buy a special pack that gives you good items every wipe instead, when everyone is running around naked? ABI's system manages to be fairer than EFT's, because EFT forces scarcity through wipes.

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

Did anyone think a subsidiary studio of TenCent Games wouldn't rip off players?? That's their entire development model lol!!

[@Sotuken]

There are games that TenCent has a stake on that do not practice this kinda monetization, like Path of Exile, for example.

[@ElliotNess-jg8gt]

The minute i see anything of Chinese influence, i shut off. They have shown that they are untrustworthy and habitual liars in every facet of life.

[@thefullmetalheart_]

@@Sotuken Debatable. The game nudges you into spending 20-30 bucks once you reach endgame in order to not be burdened under the lack of stash space

[@kamikaziking]

@@thefullmetalheart_ it does no such thing , thats complete cope , i have over 400 hours and never spent a dime , it gives you several tabs and you can manage if you dont hoard like a moron

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

@@Sotuken Well...that's one. Any others?

[@jimleoromines8114]

1 day in the game, I already have 10M Koen, Buying Deke Deals and selling them on market is the Key for Infinite Money. So to me right now, I don't think buying Koen with real cash isn't worth it.

[@chairman19]

That's literally how you get infinite money lol

[@Bushygrass]

i doubt anyone would even buy the currency becuz in the mobile version,everyone i team up or fight against is wearing shit gear like t1-t4 armour.if the monetization was that bad people would be running around with t6 armour.But the idea of bringing the mobile version's monetization to pc is a pretty dumb idea

[@CallsignPuddlez]

I bought the bigger box and battle pass- like 25 bucks or something for all of it. I did it because I am enjoying the game and i came from tarkov so i loved the idea of the bigger safe box. I spent 40 for tarkov then another 20 for the pve but enjoy this game a lot more so paying 25 and/or 10 per month for the bigger box. And also we should stop hating its kinda like real life everybody cones from a different place financially and some have better starts then others but just like in life you can start dirt poor and grind it to the top. I could give a damn what other people do financially and if people dont have the skillsets to make money of their own screw it let em spend their money who am i to say

[@CallsignPuddlez]

Point is a bullet is still a bullet.. just gotta wait for people to make a mistake and take their gear lol play the role in the game its a war zone wait for those big boys with their real life money gear smack em and take it 🤷‍♂️

[@9doublem28]

You are 100% right.. it is so crazy how many people defend it.. they don't understand that it's bad for themselves too

[@TalonVI]

Getting my popcorn ready, waiting to see Delta Force do the same thing.

[@vontrapp9853]

Extraction shooters are the new battle royal

[@Vltm042]

not for console lmao

[@TjW.]

​@@Vltm042 Soon, PUBG was PC only at first too.

[@ChicagoBullsMVP3]

Marathon might be the console extraction shooter

[@NinjaWarrior88]

Just let me buy the fuckin game and be done with it. So sick of free to play games.

[@HappyMajor]

dont play them lmao?

[@Armoredcompany]

For sure, would rather spend $60 for a completed game and never have to touch my wallet again.

[@HappyMajor]

@@8qk67acq5 whoa whoa how dare you use logic stop it

[@Armoredcompany]

@@8qk67acq5 decades of COD and BF games would like to have a word with you...

[@G_O_A_T__W.B]

Play delta force it's a f2p free game .

[@Rommola-c5z]

To add to the last point, real life isnt even pay to win. What is winning in life? Expensive cars and houses? Those are literally cosmetics. Imo winning is being happy and being able to provide, but you don't have to spend huge amounts of money to do that.

[@neggo4290]

Its not, you can get stupidly rich going in with an hand gun once and then buy a full top notch kit, and it will still take less than what it would take to enter a game in tarkov

[@rupertpowell4368]

I’ve been playing every day since it came out… never had an issue with players who are paying to win. You can easily make money by going in with the bare minimum

[@neggo4290]

@@rupertpowell4368 exactly

[@xano7858]

Tf is this comment 💀

[@neggo4290]

@@xano7858 you can't understand what?

[@kizmo9707]

like honestly not paying makes the game more fun, i literally give no shits abt ppl having good gear but then again they still going to lose it cus skill issue

[@JacKal-yy3do]

People expecting Delta force to be different from arena breakout when both of them are made by Tencent is funny .

[@camper5579]

Cant wait to see what garbage they add to it, atleast the gameplay seems fun

[@ikeaira8701]

as long as the core gameplay loop that's currently there in the beta remains, I could care less about the "p2w" (monetary) elements. It's f2p, it's expected. So long as it's not as bad as Combat Arms, I'ma play it.

[@nightware.]

The biggest problem are thermals bought with p2w

[@SkullySlayer_YT]

not really they nerfed thermals

[@The_Menendez]

NOBODY is doing this😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[@Bushygrass]

bro do you know how much a thermal costs 💀

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Thermals have inflated and cost like 1.7 million I believe after a year so they'll cost a lot more on Pc also they're supposed to be fixing the window stuff

[@The_Menendez]

@@LUCAS420BLZ theyre 700k

[@Pipopowitz]

They listened to the feedback and addressed it by lying. That's way worse than not listening. These guys are scumbags.

[@nabilmohdeb5647]

damn bru, finally someone talking about it, in depth, thank you bro, couldn't agree more

[@psych1c_duck]

People are believing that Delta Force will not follow the trend either, unfortunately it will, people do not understand that the problem is with Tencent

[@Xhotic]

This one was a hilarious situation cause they deadass said "No P2W only Pay for Convenience" which even then is still bad, but its Pay 4 Advantage now considering you can not only HAVE to buy the Secure Container MULTIPLE TIMES since it goes away (it lasts 30 days, and both the 2 secure containers are bigger then the one given for free as well, which btw ISNT EVEN GIVEN TO US YET...) and then its straight up P2W because you can BUY THE IN GAME CURRENCY KOEN, (rubbles etc.) for real world hard cash. Aka letting you buy better guns, ammo and gear, or AKA PAY 2 WIN. Lesson learned with these deceitful devs, Delta Force devs also claim "No P2W" but what do they as Chinese/Over Seas devs consider "Pay 2 Win"??? Cause apparently being able to buy secure containers/key containers/storage space, and Koen/In game currency for CASH isnt considered "P2W"..... hilarious situation we find ourselves in as gamers today, people will buy into it all as well, whales gunna whale and say "oh its not P2W you still get head eyes" yea but its still P2W. Regardless.

[@flagrantrobot]

We got a third of the mobile game and all of the monetization.

[@mattihagstrom1748]

Dead game for me instant. Devs lying....pay to win pfft. This sucks

[@jakeypants_YT]

Totally agree

[@pascalgagnon8748]

you can buy as much gear with real money you want, if you suck, you suck.

[@nemiw4429]

Yea. Im from Zürich, so I cud afford it. But its NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. Pay2W offers 0 motivation. I & many will pay 100.- for a great game! Or battle pass!

[@KudoRedfox]

​@@pascalgagnon8748I raid for gear, if i can just pay to get the high tier why should i even raid?

[@yarxul194]

@@pascalgagnon8748 you can also buy as many different wall hacks as you want, if you suck, you suck. That doesn't make it right tho

[@Idubgaming]

If everyone said they did not want this then just dont pay for it

[@Lysergamide]

"Trust me she's different, she can change and has potential. T-things can change!" Kind of reminds me of the relationship of people with these games. Nothing can show devs more of what we don't want, than not playing. They knew what they were doing and for as long as people play the game, some people will be tempted to just p2w at some point

[@NobodyCares71]

Loved the stream today, it was spicy lol that e-mail took it all.

[@sparriz]

The amount off ppl defending this shit makes me hope it's bots, because the alternative is just to sad.

[@BlogingLP]

Sadly they not just bots, they are dumb casuals

[@hydroxide5507]

yeah how dare people think for themselves. we should only agree with the manbaby ragepig gamer whos mad at everything.

[@Ghreyl]

​@@hydroxide5507​ How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil incel rageposting thread, breath man.

[@RedFox-ye1gy]

​@hydroxide5507 You just called a random person on the internet a "manbaby ragepig gamer" if anyone is mad, it's you. Everyone is just disappointed that a game they enjoyed is p2w now.

[@Ghreyl]

@@RedFox-ye1gy How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion, and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil rageposting thread, breath man.

[@NANOTECHYT]

This means they will 100% have some weird crossover cosmetics with movies or games, anime girl skins and other weird mobile tier cosmetics like a guy in a panda suit or a scary clown skin. In the end, it's just mobile game slop ported to PC. Oh well, it was fun for a while to think they might've been the next Tarkov, but this game I can already see in the future with the attitude they have towards the economy that they're willing to do whatever to just make money out of the game. Can't wait for the clips of a guy cheating, flying in the air, with the panda suit skin, shooting you with a glowing gun like a dragon that does 100 damage a shot with some exclusive ammo. Trust me, it's coming.

[@vewyscawymonsta]

I mean, if you wanna give up your camo to run around in a bright pink tutu, all for it lol

[@Mr.Y-hs1yb]

You took it too far

[@tranquility6789]

Lmao, have you actually played arena breakout? They've never done cartoony skins at all 😂

[@ganchei4882]

@NANOTECHYT actually surprisingly theres none of that in the mobile version some skins might be a little more colorful but no where near "fortnite colorful" most are fairly normal, and all character skins are realistic clothing only.

[@BazingusBoi]

I mean so far the mobile version is okay, but some gun camos are already pushing it

[@JustMe-wn5ii]

There's a special place in hell for a specific type of sin. As long as pay to winners are segregated, I will yield.

[@jPaulSmith1994]

Uninstalled immediately- people don’t understand - if you accept THIS type of monetization, games are dead forever

[@Unknown_Genius]

We had those 16 years ago in f2p games, it's what people expected a f2p game to look like. They're stuck in the wrong decade and still will make a ton of money from it regardless.

[@feardafish]

@@Unknown_Genius yea f2p games nowadays are more expensive than just buying the game for $60

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@feardafish and by far cheaper than they used to be 16 years ago. Time limited weapons & depending on the game requiring skins to even use them in the first place that are time limited as well, paid lobby moderation rights (correct, to even start vote kicks you had to pay in some games), ammo for grenade launchers only being rentable on a weekly basis for real money, extra weapons slots for real money and an economy that doesnt really allow you to play for free at all unless you can live with the base level, extremely weak equipment and obviously often enough your average gambling mechanics is what defined f2p gaming originally - loads of people wasted over a hundred € monthly just to even be competetive in the first place back then. No one in their right state of mind would even touch f2p, the term "f2p = p2w" was literally still common years after that changed and their monetization and overall earnings is what influenced mtx coming to paid games, being able to play it without being extremely left behind is a rather modern understanding of f2p we got.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

Too often they do and that is why we are here.

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@TrackMediaOnly Yup, the issue is that enough people will accept it, this one will definietly kick off the p2w craze once more.

[@kobi399]

I played the beta, didnt even install the release. It was clear from day one they would pull this, it was fun while it lasted.

[@Hikari41618]

This spin off comes from a mobile game, so duhhhhh

[@WhatASausage179]

Exactly lmao, mobile game comes to pc and people think it wont have mobile game monetisation 😂​@Hikari41618

[@rayxfinkle8328]

Exactly. You knew exactly what you were getting. Seems odd to still be complaining

[@shadowof2501]

who coulda seen this coming, another mobile port on pc and expecting no monetization is just something that wont happen with games like this.

[@KudoRedfox]

I expected some P2W but friggin' PAY TO CHAT

[@giabaonn600]

@@KudoRedfoxTeam Fortress 2 🥳

[@KudoRedfox]

@@giabaonn600 TF2 is permenant, ABI is limited extra messages

[@The_Menendez]

​@@KudoRedfox youd need terminal intellectual disability to give a shit about talking in the global chat in the first place

[@sondos1841]

When I got into Warframe, I found myself OK with spending cash to get into the game 'proper'. But that was for the permanent purchase of the character I wanted to play. This whole, spend money to 'rent' additional space in your stash for 30 days is utter BS.

[@frankwilliams4445]

You still scammed yourself bud lol. Don't simp for warframe, c'mon

[@sondos1841]

​@@frankwilliams4445 No simping mate. Just meant from the F2P business model, it worked. I'd 'buy' a permanent stash increase in ABI but there is no way I'm 'renting' one for 30 days. Maybe read what I said properly instead of rushing to be an ass hole.

[@spacequack5470]

​@@frankwilliams4445You quite clearly missed the point. Smh

[@frankwilliams4445]

@@sondos1841 bro, you still paid for shit that should've been included in the BASE GAME. We HAVE to stop giving these companies validation for adding microtransactions and that will NEVER STOP, until people like you stop buying them.

[@frankwilliams4445]

@@spacequack5470 Nah, clearly YOU missed my point my friend.

[@GautamBudha-wj9el]

Really i still dont get how is it pay to win it doesn't give u any compitative advantage it just other buying gear for u 😂😂

[@aidanbertone1840]

Guys this game is Tarkov but older and guys just don’t pay money it’s about skill

[@Thatdarnraven]

Bigfry you forgot to mention multitude and his idiocy 😂

[@ilikemusic5440]

I’m in the discord. When I heard it was going early access but only through their own website instead of Steam I said something was fishy. Oh well, screw them. Delta Force looks cool.

[@fridaythedeerfox2982]

You don't think delta force won't have pay to win mtx later on?

[@mattihagstrom1748]

Delta Force had been fun. Afraid of the monetization in that also tho. Im not trusting free to play games. Not one bit. Not again

[@mattihagstrom1748]

@@fridaythedeerfox2982 Thats what Im afraid of. Now it has the bigger gamma container rental shit. It kinda is little p2w but well see about the rest

[@0xmoo]

Careful, it might not be tencent but F2P is fishy

[@miklyk]

@@0xmooit quite literally is tencent

[@roostyrob]

Looks like eft has some “x” ing to do XD

[@SidShakya]

We're all with you brother, let's just all hop in Once Human

[@fazedaddy5409]

As someone who placed top 750 in the world for mobile. I can positively say that the biggest problem in the game is that when, your rich your not actually rich so you HAVE to spend your money for more stuff.

[@Tarkovskibruh]

Bro I’ve been thinking this for the longest time (especially regarding tarkovs transactions). Pay to win goes so much deeper than paying for stuff that directly effects combat (i.e buying a gun that deals more damage, which allows you to directly win gunfights). For example, paying for more space in your secure container allows you to carry more meds and ammo that your opponent doesn’t have and will likely allow you to win. As a previous owner of the standard tarkov edition, who was then gifted the version below eod by a friend, the difference between the two versions is night and day, and the “non combat related transactions” made combat so much fucking easier. Same with paying for ammo, stash space and in game currency. In one way or another down the line it gives you an advantage over other players who didn’t spend the money, it does effect combat and makes you more likely to win. Even if you can grind out those advantages in game and not pay, it doesn’t change the fact that one person has to work for it and another person doesn’t. I’m so sick of people not thinking past the surface level, trying to make themselves feel better than everyone else by chalking it up to “skill issue” and defending this bullshit. Finally someone gets it.

[@feardafish]

It literally breaks the whole point of the game, which is to fear losing your gear, and grind to get it. The whole economy is gonna be janked from people selling stuff they bought with real money. Its like tarkov, with sanctioned real money transactions.

[@WhatASausage179]

I suppose it depends on if you can trade items you buy or not

[@giabaonn600]

If they buy gears with real money they still have to finish a raid before they can sell it on the market.

[@BazingusBoi]

1. you have to actually complete a raid to sell items you buy from anywhere 2. they heavily control the amount of each item in the in game market and so control the price, for example, armour wears out quite quickly and not many high tier armours can be got from contacts. If theirs too few, they add more that day, too many and they don't add as much

[@jakiro749]

Does not break "whole point" of the game lmao You can get everything for FREE FREE you hear me ? The only thing that buying Koens is really good for is just to buy keys and nothing else. And you can still get the keys for free 😅

[@joaoie]

I dunno man, I'd have a lot more gear fear if I had a real dollar value tied to it. If I swiped my credit card for it I'd be terrified.

[@DarkMichael9]

The only way this game survives is with gear score based matchmaking like DaD or Dungeonborne, but they have F2P P2W Chinese developer brain. Matchmaking like this gives way to payers not finding games quickly, and you gotta cater to your whales. I'll enjoy the game for now, but I don't expect it to be playable in a month or two. When all F2Ps quit and no one wants to touch it based on reputation. No new players, no normal players, only P2W kits in matches, dead. Update after spending some time on the discord: This game will die because of infinite instantaneous inflation. A 120k scope I had day 1 was 189k today :) I tested for max prices, and I could have posted that scope for 800k. Actual max price was 960k but the UI bugged out. So the second a really wealthy, really bored gamer CEO decides to inflate hell into that market, that'll be it. I could spend 200$ on a couple millies, buy all of that one popular scope in meta builds, and then repost them at max price. All it takes afterwards is for people to continue posting at that crazy price and the economy is dead.

[@huhuplert]

they have matchmaking in the mobile version...

[@adikamussington7558]

Isn't EFT flea market the same way? Doesn't it take one person to inflate prices?

[@JānghyunAB]

It's not affected my gameplay and even i'm the one who get benefits from those p2w mfs, so i'm not complain 😂 Edit: positive side of it that they're really balance the price of items between mobile and pc ones, example "Gold Lion" on the price tag mobile version they worth 450k but in the pc version they worth 1.6 million, in mobile market gold lion can be sold like 500k+ koens but in pc version it can be sold 1.6+ million on the market. So it's not that hard to get money tbh in AB Infinite

[@MEGATRYANT]

Wait, so this is basically Tarkov where I can essentially get any gun and armor I want and get into shootouts with people, skipping 90% of the bullshit?

[@Magickss]

Yes basically that

[@icemann42086]

It might not be the best way to monetize the game, but it most definitely is the most lucrative, period end of discussion. Unfortunately, that's how the developers see it, because it's true. the best thing you can do is not support it

[@alexs7920]

why u calling it p2w when what it take is your skill ? does money buy you the ability to kill your opponent without them fighting back ? duh ??

[@Lenariet]

This is poor logic, as by that P2W would be nonexistent in case of even the worst offenders. What do you believe P2W is if not this? I know no game where you swipe your card and then have all your opponents instantly killed. This here is P2W as worse as it gets. If this here isn't P2W then nothing is.

[@canboskurt6240]

@@Lenariet you clearly didnt play the game bro XD you will not win any fight becuase of your gear.

[@snakesens6016]

i know im wrong but sadly I'd rather play this than tarkov

[@Indie_Myke]

You're not wrong.

[@skyfighter311]

Cant blame you

[@Nameless_rat]

On the bright side it’ll reduce RMT, why buy from a sketchy website when it’s built in? And it doesn’t reduce the value of loot, if anything stealing a good kit from someone who sucks at the game that they bought with real money sounds fun.

[@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz]

"on the bright side" what bright side? games are dead forever because publishers want to appease their shareholders and the playerbase are the ones who suffer in the end

[@nexus3756]

@@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz they quite simply arent. just stop playing bad games. video games were always underground from the start. it used to be not socially acceptable to be a gamer. plenty of real video games exist and come out all the time. they just arent aaa video games. because those arent video games. they are bullshit.

[@Nameless_rat]

@@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz it is a bright side? EFT has INSANE RMT issues.

[@carterfn5939]

Honestly I do mind it because of a few things. To be clear I never even heard of this game but I do play extraction styles games. Super casual gamers who work and have a family can spend as much time grinding on the game food good gear, but they do have extra change so this can allow them to gear up and play with their other high gear friends if they have the skill to compete Next it doesn’t automatically guarantee a win, if they are bad they’ll likely just die anyways only time gear will make them win over someone much better will be if the gap in skill isn’t that big of a difference Lastly people can pay money to get in game currency three third party either way and I’m sure it’s a hassle trying to track down who’s abusing that and who’s legit on there end plus it’s a huge missed opportunity for money by not tapping into that as a business. So I can see why they wanted to implement it as they could focus on catching real in game cheaters instead of looking for ppl buying currency through third parties and potentially make some money Either way I don’t think adding currency should make good players struggle at all to win consistently. If you’re really good and can play a lot then you’ll still win a shit ton and have just as good games as if it wasn’t in the game I no life games sometimes so I don’t go the Pay to win approach but I can totally see the appeal some ppl prefer pay to win games if they don’t have time to play all day just so they can at least start on the same footing ground with gear

[@poseidonwiththetrident]

“but here’s the thing, who am I even talking to. I’m talking to my community who’s tired of putting up with this bullshit, I’m not talking to the devs because clearly they don’t listen to the warning signs.” 8:59 The pen was burning with this one homie.

[@adamoggy]

Getting closer to paying to reload every day... EA would be proud... Everyone else... Not so much.

[@DeRealNiko]

@@adamoggy well.. you can buy in game money then buy good ammo with it

[@NightFyreTV]

oh no , didn't see that one coming

[@666Shinedown]

I am in full support of people spending their hard earned money in this game. Free loot for me

[@Pastrysable]

Love the honesty, gave you a sub for a real review. I hate p2w games still gonna give it a go but its good to know they all about money rather than community.

[@Exvinity-v2t]

I think abi should make the game not free anymore just to teach yall a damn lesson, you dont have to spend money to play it just play the game and you will get rich if you are good at it The only people complaining are people that are trash at the game and have no skill The p2w people can be terrible but you can be good and just win their gear

[@BlakkHalo]

Why the fuck are people bitching about who pays and who doesn’t pay. Last I checked, we’re still free to each make our own decisions about how we spend our money. I could care either way.

[@peekuhboo_23]

Yall can moan about it all day but here’s the thing, this game I think, was intended to be a game like tarkov for people who enjoy gaming slightly competitively but who also work full time jobs who don’t have the time to grind multiple hours a day. I like it because I can jump right in and get some decent guns and play with my friends after work. If you’re more of a grinder and have the extra time then yeah definitely this isn’t for you.

[@JorgulPro]

To see someone that is so against microtransactions makes me happy man

[@taupe208]

I totally agree with the in game currency I work as a surgeon and dont have time to work in the game I work real life and make real money, when I hop on I dont want to be stuck with a shit tt pistol or sks I want to have decent playable gear if i make money in real life why shouldnt I be able to spend in game just to have decent guns, doesnt mean I have the skills just the money. Whats wrong with everyone is their misconception of F2P games Its not meant to be completly free how do you want a good online pvp game to survive with no funds? The dev need some sort of funds somewhere and their need of money is only judged by how the gameplay varies based on how a paid player vs Non paid player interact in a fight. Honestly I get shit on, lost 24 AK plus 38 m4's and 12000$ cash to some Makarov players and their 500$ pc setup 75 hz monitor. Its not pay to win at all. I just dont have time to grind but love the gameplay

[@taupe208]

I love giving away my hard earned money stuff

[@joec9616]

I actually want to pay for currency to support these devs, it’s one of the best games released in years, and it’s free.

[@tehMaloWalo]

thats the biggest thing. this game is free. ive put 100+ hours in and i havent spent a dime but i more than likely will just because they deserve it

[@MlgKronks69]

yeah, people will always cry about something

[@Aowjudg]

They dont appreciate "free"

[@sjakkoo]

I got in. I saw currency was buyable and logged out

[@KudoRedfox]

I logged in, saw using world chat cost money and instantly launched revo to uninstall it all

[@ggiuliano93]

@@KudoRedfoxRemember to wipe off the kernel anticheat

[@hydroxide5507]

​@@KudoRedfoxim sure theyre mad they lost a broke furry player 😂

[@KudoRedfox]

@@hydroxide5507 Furry or broke, pick one

[@zen_d0461]

Such a braindead take. All these games have RMT including Tarkov so the only difference is youre buying from the devs which means less cheaters ruining lobbies for their carry services so they can earn real money not to mention money is easy AF to make so barely anyone is spending $5 for koen to buy 120 of the best bullets when you make 500k profit in like 20 minutes on most matches If money was hard to make then youd have a point but no one is forced to buy it so its not p2w its pay to save time and thats it plus p2w has always been buying an ingame advantage you 100% cant earn through playing which this isnt even close to.

[@kizmo9707]

exactly, my choice not paying cus i want to play it more grindy and hardcore. i literally give no fucks abt ppl paying

[@brandonsc9025]

I wouldn't necessarily agree. Being a free game makes it open season for cheaters.

[@krogg439]

Yeah I was thinking this. Making money isn’t hard in this game. More loot for us.

[@mrhydroblowback8933]

"real life is pay to win" - said no rich person ever....

[@zombro7922]

Ive played the mobile game for about 6 months now, I've never purchased anything aside the monthly thing for the case. Im sitting on more than $40 million and so much good gear I have no idea what to do with. Let people spend their money on the gear lol people who arent shit at the game just take it anyways. Edit: I agree with 99% of your viewpoints on monetization, but in this case I dont. It really doesnt make them have a massive advantage over you if any at all. I've played 5 raids on PC and have looted SOOO much shit that people spent their real money on, and in a way it feels good to get free shit lol these kids are paying to LOSE all their shit. Gamma container cost money yes, but the game is free lol Id rather spend $10 for a container than $250 on a game that has 1/3 of the QoL features that this game has. I'm not a fanboy either, I have kids, I barely game, but when I do play it I dont feel outpaced whatsoever.

[@5aiv.]

honestly, just stop expecting a game to not be monetized to this extent at this point when it's free to play. i'm sure most people will be able to enjoy the game just fine either way

[@FrosteryGaming]

Yeah. I literally stopped caring about the game being monetized. I just hope they make an enjoyable game which Arena Breakout Mobile did. I had fun with friends and didn't care about thems lootbugs running around with T5 and dies to us fucking around