Arena Breakout IS NOT STEALING Escape from Tarkov Assets

[@Eroktic]

Tarkov Devs Calling Out Arena Breakout for STEALING ASSETS- kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWqaaIN6eLB7es0si=PtWBsIj_alhkt2yK 3d Artist Reacts to Arena Breakout "STEALING" Escape from Tarkov Assets- kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH-zeGWegdaFi8Usi=6oifFObT9aZ6LG9_ I am not defending or attacking anyone. I am just giving you the truth. Love me, hate me, I really don't care. Anyways, live on www.twitch.tv/eroktic

[@PabloGarcia-xs1es]

Link for the "Creative Commons Attribution" is not working. It has an extra ")" at the end. Good video! Definitely learned something from it!

[@hghhorse4779]

be care full dint they copy strike u once tarkov ? like along time ago :D

[@Marc-th7rz]

Another BIG important thing is the High Poly version and Normal Map. No matter what "They" do, they would never have acess on the BSG High Poly model. With that in mind IF they copied 1-1 model they WILL FOR SURE have the same UV map because they need the normal map to have Convex and Cavity Details on the weapon or attachements.

[@edgardsimon983]

@@Marc-th7rzman u need a hight poly when u doing baking process once its done u just need the texture right ?

[@Marc-th7rz]

@@edgardsimon983 That's right.

[@rogo7330]

Nikita did more work in 3D software to "prove" that someone "stole" something from them then tried to fix his "offline" mode ddossing his servers.

[@GabberBeastTV]

🤣🤣🤣

[@worldoftancraft]

This rialistique gamè still have zoom when you ADS(veri rialistik) which causes lag spikes because with lower FOV you load objects that are afar...

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

​@@worldoftancraftfunny how a mobile game has picture in picture zoom before snarkov

[@worldoftancraft]

@@LUCAS420BLZ fov changes ==> you have a zoom. Bravo is 4x? Nope. Bravo is 8 x. Because 2x(base FOV changes when you ADSing) multiply by 4.

[@mesoohorni8134]

BIG Oof

[@unpopcorn1694]

clicked for drama, ended up learning about 3d modelling

[@shiro3146]

lol yeah, and funny enough it helps me understanding blender too lol also might be useful for my godot adventures xD

[@lexamarinkovic]

hahaha same

[@Onepeg]

Learned a lot in watching this. Thank you for making it!

[@Eroktic]

[@mattmoy24]

The thing I don't understand about the copying allegations is that the examples BSG uses are guns that are pretty common in more milsim shooters and are also probably easy to get premade available assets for legitimately. Why risk having problems when you could do it easier legitimately

[@RMMLz]

I like to see your take (+ The experts you talked to for your first video) about Eroktic's view. All the drama and EFT-ABI fanboyism aside, I find this kind of investigation and forensics fascinating! Keep up the good work, both of you.

[@dotEXCEI_]

Well well... Look who it is...

[@flash3652]

Like a plottwist in a movie, the hard way. 😶‍🌫Hope the truth comes out about Nik's accusations.

[@leana339]

That's why i said i want the Raw files and not just pictures. Because there is no proof without the raws lol

[@rogo7330]

Yeah, it's literally sort -u or 10 lines python script to check how many of them are the same. Probably must align models first and then check that vertacies are the same.

[@SadNuggetMan]

That or uv maps

[@edgardsimon983]

@@rogo7330the audacity lmao its easier to do that than automate a topology modification ?

[@hopedream11]

Nikita hasn't sent that yet. I WONDER WHY maybe because it'd get proven to be a Asset from Unity and Nikita story crumbles to dust.

[@TheHelpMaster]

I mean we technically have all the Files from EFT since they didnt encrypt their Content, but i still dont know how Nikita got the Models from Arena.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

"Riping off Content from Games is ILLEGAL" Assetto Corsa modders "yea sure... Look at this GT Impreza :O"

[@CodeEleven_86]

Lmaooo

[@juicydroopnutz9221]

But tarkov is ripping off gun manufacturers without having the licenses. LMAO. HEY GUYS LOOK SOMEONE STOLE OUR NONE LICENSED DESIGNES FROM GUN MANUFACTURERS WAHHHHH

[@hooyabaaa2]

Mods from Assetto Corsa are steals of everything they can... lol From Gran Turismo, Forza, The Crew, whatever... They just steal and port / adapt to the new engine and you can tell, some mods are truly good. The problem is when they make the visuals and just ''f@ck off'' to physics... Some are stuning, but a total crap to drive... LOL

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@hooyabaaa2 Yea, but the GT ones are the most populars cause GT makes the best car models. and yes the physics not always are the same quality as the visuals, thats why you follow the good creators and not shitty ones like MNBA or Ceky Performance

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@hooyabaaa2 also there are many scratch made mods

[@DeTomaso55]

I'm no subject matter expert as I just dabbled in 3d modeling. But it's nice to see someone finally saying something that makes sense and proving it with examples. Also for Nikita Buyanov from St.Petersburg: I'm deeply sorry you feel that way, I didn't expect you to react this way.

[@Laur352]

I'm sorry crykita feels this way.

[@bldgl8723]

god tier

[@va_sirberpasir9708]

Eroktic Crash course did better at educating me than most of 3D modelling classes

[@nosirve9458]

then I feel sorry for u xd

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@nosirve9458 no we just aren’t severely autistic like you

[@Swisba]

@@nosirve9458 never been to a 3d modeling class but atleast now i dont feel completely lost when looking at all the lines on a model lol

[@slipperyRat-e4q]

Then u have taken some pretty shitty class.

[@pete361]

I agree!

[@AngelFromHeaven000]

Even I, as a Level Designer with some knowledge about 3D modelling can make a compelling argument that these assets are not a copy paste / plagiarism. I also asked 3 real Senior Level Artists / Modelers if what Nikita is posting on Twitter is legit evidence that these pictures represent the same asset. All of them said no, different topology, end of discussion. 2 static images (with different topo) CANNOT prove plagiarism. The only proof they can make is to show total count of vertices/faces etc and positioning. (As you mentioned in the video) But, my honest opinion is that BSG try to win in the court of public opinion.

[@shipso6116]

That would be fun to watch, as they have almost no positive "public opinion" left at this point )). Well, maybe it's their only option now. For me the key thing here will be the Steam DMCA claim against ABI. If it gets filed, then then Nikita has something real to show for it, if not, he doesn't.

[@gagekellstrom3978]

The topology isn’t different, it’s translated topology. Quads to triangle, it’s very normal when porting models. That isn’t different topology and any 3D modeler can tell you these are all stolen assets. Eroktic has zero idea what he’s talking about on this topic.

[@slash1one]

Topology is actually exactly the same, how tf are u a designer/artist/modeler of any sort and u can't tell this from the pictures presented. yikes

[@WHAT_TAHW]

@@gagekellstrom3978 Ok, please make a video and show it yourself.

[@123TheCloop]

@@gagekellstrom3978 yes, trigger guard is proof its stolen asset. topology is 1:1 when it simply cannot be from 2 independant artists from arguably two different parts of the world

[@briocheman21]

Nikita Buyanov from the St Petersburg is not happy

[@Eroktic]

Buljanov*

[@worldoftancraft]

@@Eroktic "nêslahannoê naêbalovo" edition

[@NoSleep420]

@@Eroktic Bulge-a-nov? 🤣

[@dotEXCEI_]

​@@Eroktic You think that pig deserves his name to be spelled right?

[@andyp.3882]

@@Eroktic Bullshitnov

[@jamminwithmatt5313]

Nikita is losing his mind 🤣

[@lolasdm6959]

Half of the people convinced it's stolen are just literal racists, they believe it because ABI is Chinese.

[@MonoZeus]

Eroktic, I have ZERO years experience in 3D modelling and I can both SEE and UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY all the examples you're showing here! It's CLEAR that the assets are not stolen. Drunk Nikita at it again!

[@adamricecracker7128]

Yeah but it's not obvious IF you dont know it. Im sure most people will see it as a Copy if they dont have this backgrownd knowledge shown here. I also thought it is stolen especially if you (i) have seen other Things that look very stolen/similar, like Map layout, Bronze Lion statues, and much more that makes it look like stolen or at least copied(recreated). So more People need to see This Video here imo.

[@lolasdm6959]

@@adamricecracker7128 No bro, like a middle schooler can see it's not the same lines on the models. People who believe it, wants to believe it.

[@adamricecracker7128]

@@lolasdm6959 No bro, they even overlap to 99%, ofc if you look very close you see the differences, but most people wont. So if it was "Obvious" no one would believe it and no one would need a video like this, and he wouldnt have made this Video.

[@lolasdm6959]

@@adamricecracker7128 Yeah because as the youtuber said, ABI modeled the gun with BSG models as a references. But you can clearly see ABI models have more details. Most people don't even care or even looked at most of the "evidence" Nakita even puts out. Half of the people accusing ABI are just racists that will believe anything said about a Chinese game.

[@stevens69411]

Nakita knows this, he just hoping the average guy doesnt

[@anthonymccullough158]

Niki is trying to turn his player base against ABI, make them look like the bad guy.

[@sebastienaguila2107]

It's likely that Nikita doesn't actually know that... I don't know what level of competence he has in 3D modelling, but making a video game takes so much more than just knowing 3D that it's totally possible his level of expertise is in another domain. Programing, writing, designing, server admin... idk, I don't even know how game dev works that well. All I'm saying is that it's easy to imagine that while he has a decent understanding of how 3D modelling works, he might leave it to the real experts he has employed to do it, and just got fooled himself by how similar the meshes look, like some experts with years of experience in the field seemingly did, because he simply doesn't know better... Does it make him look like an idiot? sure, and it's hilarious. Does it necessarily mean he's being purposefully disingenuine? not necessarily... Stupidity and dishonesty aren't the same thing! Nikita has been dishonest before (recently!) but in this instance, while stupidity is definitely proven, I'm not sure dishonesty actually is.

[@mnspstudioful]

Call me when the Rhino .raw models are compared _and match._ All of these AK and handgun models are bought and sold on the asset market daily and, frankly, I have zero confidence that both of them aren't either a) employing the same underpaid foreign modelers, or b) buying their assets from the same storefront.

[@demolitionkid2]

Nikita mad someone else bought the same unity assets 😂

[@notme5844]

I mean, they bought the model for the knife that comes with unheard edition for like 5 bucks. I wouldnt be suprised if most of the models were bought in the first place.

[@_caligrown]

Nikita knows he has no ground to stand on. Just trying to change the narrative.

[@Smokin_daCatnip]

I completely agree, that they may have used eft models as reference to create their own, buuuuuuut, i dont believe they outright stole those assets. They would have to reconstruct which is not logical, in any way, shape, or form. In my experience with 3d modeling, he is correct in stating that trying to convert from tri's back to quads will almost always result in broken topology in some way, creating more work in the end. More work means more man hours, wages, etc. Not impossible, but HIGHLY illogical

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

Or they just used the same gun models from real life to model their assets. In the end, Tencent is just going to stay silent about this because BSG are the ones that have to prove their accusation. And no court would ever accept a picture like that as proof. It's very clear to me what Nikita is doing, he's just trying to fool people that can't think rationally in order to emotionally manipulate them into boycotting ABI. Which is clever and very likely to happen given how stupid people are.

[@caydenph2741]

They themselves said they also scanned real guns to make those models (ABI).

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

It's honestly embarrassing they're spending more time making Twitter posts than developing their unfinished game

[@typizza10pizza72]

Bro game has so many issues there community has been complaining about for years. Yet homie will go complain on twitter about another game then making his own game better. Literally children's mindset thinking the internet gives a crap.

[@popoi6427]

Tarkov is still beta?

[@D3c1ine]

@@popoi6427yup

[@fridjon]

The tricky part is these guns are real life guns, there's not much of an originality when modelling these real life objects So the only way to investigate these matters are exactly like you just did Eroktic. Good job.

[@shiro3146]

and its silly accusing peoples stealing their models if it was real life guns like its a freaking guns we have irl! ive seen too many FPS game that i lost count whats the differences between those guns models other than less or more poly count so yeah either ABI Trace or outright stole Nikita's model or Nikita being drunk and accusing someone out of nowhere, i still blame nikita.why? cuz its a freaking same gun on almostevery game! and im not even FPS enthusiast or both player, to me a bystander, this makes me dont want to see tarkov lol

[@兽Arufisu]

By that logic, then the gun companies should Sue all the people who tried to make replicas and models even in video games

[@robcampbell2164]

The meta data is key to support or deny the allegation. I imagine BSG simulated the condition with conversion in which case meta data would be generated. It would be necessary to compare that conversion data and one would expect to have that available in order to do so. Conversion generates conditions that may need to be resolved requiring manual or patch help, this process generates another data set and so it goes forever and ever. Facts over feelings, the community is too smart to rely on overlays.

[@TheHelpMaster]

He did say it was Arena, bc he already replied to tweets that called the Yellow Assets to be from Arena Breakout and he didnt correct them but showed more proof.

[@kovrone1321]

Eroktic’s "Ripoff series" is my favorite so far. Thanks for the insight, very entertaining and informative.

[@Spokenword]

It's so stupid that consumers are fighting this war. ABI wants to release on Steam, there are strings to pull there, no?

[@GamerMarine89]

Yes but they need to dot their Is and cross their Ts because it's tencent/CCP funded. If it goes to court BSG is done with legal fees. They need to make sure it's an open and shut case before actually bringing a case forward

[@Toothydeere]

@@GamerMarine89so the choice is CCP funded or Kremlin funded, yeah I’m just not playing either lol

[@GamerMarine89]

@@Toothydeere so do you understand how China works vs Russia? Any tech based company in China is owned and operated under guidelines from the CCP. Anything and everything they make, take in, or do. Is owned by the CCP not the company. Russia isn't like that 1. And 2. BSG is technically in London their dev studio is only in St. Petersburg

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

@@Toothydeere yeah then don't. Literally nobody asked you.

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

@@GamerMarine89 If that's what BSG is aiming for, they're not achieving it by doing this defamation campaign. That's not their goal, what they want is to taint their public image to push people into boycotting ABI. Steam is not going to accept pictures like that as proof of anything, but they might block their launch if there's a lot of heat towards the game from the playerbase.

[@HiddenBlade]

You sir are a scholar and a gentleman! Thank you for this, makes it easy to share this video with people who don't get it.

[@TehSnake586]

And you, sir, are easily manipulated. As a gamedev wep modeller, I can perfectly see what yellow guys did with BSG models. And if they weren't amateurs and tried a little more than that - then no one would notice it and this whole mess would have been avoided.

[@HiddenBlade]

@@TehSnake586 well I've made no assumptions at all, for all we know Nikita could've whipped the yellows up himself. But the explanation that eroktik has posted here is solid enough for a layman to understand. So how about you re-evaluate what I've said now that I've spelled out for you what everyone else seemingly understood. The moment you assume you make an ass out of u and me, put it on a shirt or tattoo it on your forehead, it'll help.

[@HiddenBlade]

@@TehSnake586 well I've made no assumptions at all, for all we know Nikita could've whipped the yellows up himself. But the explanation that eroktik has posted here is solid enough for a layman to understand. So how about you re-evaluate what I've said now that I've spelled out for you what everyone else seemingly understood. The moment you assume you make an ass out of u and me, put it on a shirt or tattoo it on your forehead, it'll help.

[@HiddenBlade]

@@TehSnake586 well I've made no assumptions at all, for all we know Nikita could've whipped the yellows up himself. But the explanation that eroktik has posted here is solid enough for a layman to understand. So how about you re-evaluate what I've said now that I've spelled out for you what everyone else seemingly understood. "The moment you assume you make an ass out of u and me", put it on a shirt or tattoo it on your forehead, it'll help.

[@TehSnake586]

@@HiddenBlade By thanking Eroktik you assumed that his point of view is correct, without asking real pro opinions. The one who shouts louder isn't always right. And stop being a smartass, cuz you're the one who belived a delusional clown blogger. I personally saw both of those models myself and can absolutely say that he is wrong, and the models were stolen and slightly reworked indeed. End of story.

[@AndiKoehn]

Ok so, I think I learned all I need today to make my own game! Just wait for it! 😂

[@blinddog]

Homis, don't forget we're talking about real-life weapon models. If i make 3D model of IKEA chair, and you will make 3D model of the same IKEA chair doesn't mean we stole from each other, right?

[@sa-amirel-hayeed699]

Ironically two high skill modelers using the same software will make what is essentially the same model if given a reference or exact distinct measurements for specific things. The timeline might not look the same in the sense that they didn't necessarily do things in the exact same order but the same elements are present. There are many ways to get the same result but slightly differently arranged as shown in the wireframe triangles. My personal experience though is with fusion360 for industrial applications

[@BraainzO2]

​@@sa-amirel-hayeed699China can just buy blue print of AK from China Defense Industry and make it 3D model

[@notme5844]

True, but even if the models look the same without the wireframe, the wires should be different and the positions of the vertices will probably be slightly different too. If the two models are literally exactly the same, then yes, somebody stole. What is pointed out in this video is that while the ABI weapons look similar, the actual positions and number of vertices dont match, and therefore it is highly unlikely that they were copied.

[@androbourne]

Bro Im happy I find your channel. I love that you are actually educated on the subject and have logical views on it as well instead of just blindly believing what everyone else is saying. You earned my sub, keep up the good work!

[@kirkikane]

The money behind arena break out incomparable. crazy how Nikita can’t comprehend how much more advanced there game development is. It’s tencent. Bsg had one advantage. The community and that’s dead

[@milaaan5851]

They can't even release Tarkov since 2017, but they have a 200€ Package. XD

[@lucadeangelis7128]

i honestly think both of them bought the asset from the same market and then triangolated in different ways. In any case nikita can't sue because it's not original.

[@AdamKiraly_3d]

Good shout checking the triangulation, at first glance they are super similar. I'm not convinced they haven't used the base meshes and welded up some of the verts. Yes working off tri meshes is a nightmare but iirc Maya's "to quad" operations is pretty good at resolving meshes like that. Decimation is also MUCH much mUUUUUUUCH better in Zbrush and even in maya than what blender's decimation modifier does. You're probably right they retopoed over BSG's models if anything, but there's nothing stopping them grabbing some of the existing geo, reducing edges by strategically welding some of the triangles into neighbouring ones, I've done that many times on characters that didn't have a quad version anymore/ needed a dirty proxy mesh.

[@grahamharris7010]

As 3d modeler/C# dev I can tell you that you can manually melt the triangles back into quads (not decimate).... I do it in C4d all the time... but it will require you to completely redo the UV map after that to match the texture file it is associated with. Not saying that it was done. Personally think its impractical and just modeling the item yourself from scratch would make for less headaches.

[@karambiatos]

I am a 3d modeler its clear that they did not directly take the models and put then into their game. However they may have ripped out the tarkov models and used them as a direct reference, Tarkov being in unity it is ridiculously easy to rip the assets out. The big problem here is, whether what Breakout has done is illegal in this case, and i goes into many many issues here, whether they used contractor work who did this without their knowledge or their direct full time employees did it, it's all very hard to prove. Like wise if Breakout arena and Tarkov used photo scans of the models they will be insanely close to each other like what we see in the images. The real kicker to me however is that Nikita is using the Ak-12 and Ar-15 specifically to prove plagiarism. The Ak-12 3d model is available on the Kalashnikov website and can be easily downloaded. The Ar-15 has SOOO many CAD files and complete cad files to boot floating around the internet that they could have used the same CAD model as a reference and you would again get ridiculously close shapes between 2 models.

[@mrrooter601]

very hard, read impossible. even if they had literal 1 to 1 copies of multiple in game models, there is LITERALLY NOTHING they could do about it. what, is a russian company going to sue a chinese one in a US or UK court? L O L. he is trying his hardest to keep the "true believers" on his side. they would not even be able to take them to court let alone prove it, even if it WAS true. MAYBE a US company suing another US company. and even then its questionable to prove without DIRECT 1 to 1 copies. all this speculation means nothing because nothing will come of it. as if "broke ass" BSG could even afford to go up against tencent at this point. 3d artists use others models as direct references CONSTANTLY, and the ones who dont are just bad. reminder that true believers are telling you you should not play the game that seems better in most ways because a contractor (ALLEGEDLY) used a tarkov model as reference. ignoring the fact that tarkov directly rips sounds and assets for other games and media at the same time. its just fanboyism and mr Buyanov stirring up shit because he knows he has real competition now.

[@karambiatos]

@@mrrooter601 I use other models as reference, but i keep quiet about it. I honestly don't play either game. I've only played tarkov for a very short while and it just causes me to want to throw my PC out the window, too aggravating, i don't need that in my life. I am only here because the algorithm keeps recommending me these videos. You are right about the other things, I didn't know breakout was tencent or chinese. They have 0 ways of suing them even if they directly stole their models they'd only be able to sit and take it.

[@ross_boss]

As a failed map designer I must say that the gun shaped map is not in Tarkovsky indeed

[@nknumero]

youre not a filure, its just and obsticle that was not overcomed yet, have a good day.

[@ross_boss]

@@nknumero I appreciate the kind words, maybe one day i'll be able to put my creations into an actual project, and find the motivation to actually make more

[@uhsul]

Brilliant observations, you have a keen eye for detail, not to mention an excellent working knowledge of 3-D Modeling.

[@Jonchua1]

I'm so glad people are starting to notice your videos and that your work is paying off.

[@_Bonez12]

The best way to put this is ABI and all of its assets are legally dubious. We all know where it all came from, whether it’s directly from EFT or been hand modified to be legally distinct from the EFT model. The health pool number, ammo damage numbers, reload animations, weapon textures, and audio. It’s all familiar but that doesn’t mean Nik can do anything about it.

[@focusedwolf]

Good video, learned a lot. After watching onepeg say the dust covers in the 1:19 tweet are both ABI models and not even in Tarkov (It's a match! :D), i think its clear Nikita is trying to use lies and propaganda to mobilize a troll army to do his dirty work for him. And ultimately it will backfire because all he's doing is advertising ABI to his entire playerbase as something 1:1 equivalent-or-better. This is not going to end well for him xD

[@MrParishify]

Texture asset stimulatory with 1:1 pixel match is a huge give away that @onepeg showed in the AK foregrip - I'd be interested to seeing more of these comparisons from different assests. Someone could have manually optimised the BSG meshes (however time consuming that would be) to create lower poly meshes for engine speed. This "might" be slightly quicker than a original rebuild if your artist was a fast and good modeler, but it is still weird the fundamental structural vertices are identical positions (i.e trigger guard). But the fact that these assets can be extracted from the game, just shows you how easy it is to "RIP OFF" the geometry and textures. Another good comparison would be to compare the same AK from another shooter, I'm pretty convince there would be little similarity in the mesh apart from it modelling the same gun. (10yr computer game artist and 30yr 3D artist)

[@JanPatatoes]

I dont know how the guy in the video is saying that Arena did not steal it with those evidence you talk about. I have been doing 3d since more than 10 years and to me, it looks like they just quickly use tarkov, collapse few edges and call it a day. I still would like to extract the game myself to be sure of the sources but from the screen it is telling

[@MirceaPrunaru]

@@JanPatatoes The dude has 0 experience regarding game assets or anything related to that and the things he is saying just prove that. I have been modding extracted models from games for decades and I find all he is saying amusing at best. Even I made my own models using tarkov's as a reference because they are mid-poly and they can be used to bake textures onto a new mesh in like hours if not minutes.

[@nathanreynolds6183]

what about the paint or whatever being exactly the same as onepeg's video referenced? is there an explanation for that?

[@craigharrison5406]

I don't know about assets but Arena looks almost identical to Tarkov in every way.

[@Felip.c]

So Arena looks almost identical to Stalker. Tarkov looks was never unique.

[@craigharrison5406]

@@Felip.c Not really, Stalker looks very different from tarkov and Arena. The movement on stalker is garbage.

[@Felip.c]

If you say so.

[@mjesus850]

jesus christ, i guess every genre we cant have a new game. also extraction shooters are the new br, how the fuck are they supposed to make it this crazy unique game so you guys dont bitch. Tarkov is a stalker clone, abi is a tarkov clone, every game is a clone of another

[@steezydan8543]

Seeing the Tarkov AK model with the baked in lighting made me realize why it's so hard to see anything.

[@MrJamergamer]

thanks for calling this out, as a 3d artist this has been driving me crazy

[@SPARTAN0892]

Triangulation happens also with the position of vertices, since the BSG model does not show where the vertices are (but we are assuming everything is quad) we can't really be sure of how the triangulation is going to happen. To me, the biggest giveaway is from the "fighting" that happens between the models....when 2 faces are colliding to the exact same coordinates, that is called "fighting". In my eyes, as a 3d modeler, the chances of having multiple areas of fighiting is close to none, unless the model has been exported from the same source...i think that "they them" are using the same model as BSG with absolute certainty. Either way this is not a good show from BSG, makes them look desperate to find something to accuse "they/them" with but to no avail, the gamer will just game, intellectual property is not something that a customer will care about so i'm not sure why they are doing all of this....we see piracy everyday , but we don't see other big companies complain about games being cracked. Of course this is just my opinion, being right or wrong is irrelevant to me.

[@dtoften]

I agree with you that it is not a direct copy but definitely a reference from the Tarkov model. Looking at Onepeg's video looking at the texture of the wood handguard, it has the same scratch texture with slight modifications.

[@Eroktic]

i am the one that found out that handguard lol.

[@Sarahbolesofficial]

That was really good explained! Great work! 💪

[@hend0wski]

might be worth checking out the stuff mentioned by the other modelers in the community. id be interested to see what you have to say about their particular points. this is super educational and clarifying though. im just interested in the non-nikita related stuff from other players and community members.

[@SpideyTheOne]

idc if its stolen or copyed. remember pubg and fortnite? im a gamer all i do care is that i can play good games i like. dota /league

[@justinwood9918]

This video has to be the best thing to come out of the controversy so far. I wanna learn more about 3d modeling from this guy

[@ishitrealbad3039]

the grey dustcover has also a much bigger bevel with more topology than the yellow dust cover btw

[@Shadowier]

Nikita be shaking in his boots every time Eroktic drops a video.

[@Penice-rj8wd]

why is he trying to convince me that this two exact models are different

[@QuarterKob]

if a developer accuses other games of "copying" their game. thats just projecting. the amount of effort theyre doing for proving a myth should be put on fixing their own overpriced game.

[@twojstary8488]

it's much better video than the other ones. you came in prepared, with a fresh mind and it shows on quality of the video. if you are trying to prove a point you dont do like in your previous videos (you had good points but the delivery was so angry it was hard to take you seriously) but this is how you do it. tigz also has a similar problem with talking shit and not giving it another thought.

[@baysedgamer]

Thank you for the detailed info. This is awesome stuff. I'm in a trade and I was able to see and understand all of this clearly. Awesome job brother.

[@chadyways8750]

I feel like Eroktic has ascended to a triangle after this video, all praise the big triangulation!

[@corpusaeternum]

I appreciate you actually showing information and teaching, rather than the bs that other ppl do

[@mamrdevpraze]

Nikita wants to point out similarity but he failed hard Geometry class that can't even see lines don't match.

[@100Urosh1]

Hvala ti brate moj, bukvalno sam i ovo malo kose sto imam iscupao dok sam slusao "eksperte" (Buljanov lmao)

[@midladder]

Bulja hahahaba

[@dreaddarven]

Agree 100% with you, as a 3d modeller for more than 20 years also game models. More proof what shitty person Nikita is together with his company, just lying all of it lately. The drama in the gaming world these days, such a shame😢

[@shiro3146]

i agreed! this makes the seemingly good game that i heard to be more like a Shitshow game accusing someone stole your models is a valid point if you are making original models based on artistic choice(wich i assume you know what i mean as someone who already on the industry for 20 freaking years :D) but to accuse someone stole your model that was based on already known looking things(this case a Guns thingy) you cant accuse it because it will bound to look the same-ish especially as we seen both game use the "realistic" approach of that said weapon,and if we can really accuse it stole the models, why dont we hear Valve accusing some games like COD,Battlefield or even PUBG stealing the models of CS 1.6 or heck even Half Life 1 xD. this this is just all but silly 😓

[@dreaddarven]

@@shiro3146 yep. I would be furious if someone really stole my model and used it somewhere else but thats not the case here. Tarkov is imo still a great game, shooting mechanics wise there is no other imo.... but i am just using spt nowedays so i can tweak all bullshit out of it and enjoy a great game beneath all the dumb mechanics.

[@MrRetroDev]

The only real thing I can see here is the screw at 11:09 where the one on the left is more flat while the right is more rounded. They could've used the same or similar reference material. It still doesn't prove anything was stolen.

[@Kalergi_Plan_Accelerationist]

"They could've used the same or similar reference material" Yes, they did, it's called a BLUEPRINT. Those models are literally based on IRL guns.

[@orlfane1622]

@@Kalergi_Plan_Accelerationist I keep saying this without having any knowledge of the tech. If 2 people are modeling a real-life item, shouldn't they look the same no matter who scans the item? It's not an apple. All apples look a little different but a mass-produced item like a gun is going to look the same no matter what.

[@MrRetroDev]

@@Kalergi_Plan_Accelerationist You don't say. fml. We're talking about the screw. Not the whole gun. The screw is basically the smoking gun that it's not ripped from Tarkov.

[@MrRetroDev]

@@orlfane1622 Yes. This is what I said. Maybe I phrased it poorly. I was saying that the major thing showing that it's not ripped from Tarkov is the screw (ignoring the poligon differences)

[@neonsamurai1348]

Sadly this will be enough for those 'true believers', and the reality of the nonsense and lies Nikita is spreading will remain 'unheard'!

[@Big_Red_Wade]

There is idiot Streamers out there who's only claim to fame is been able to play a game and they are posting Nikita's stuff claiming its 100% stolen as if they are 3D software experts but not backing anything up, its just Nikita is balls deep in them and they love him so much they will regurgitate anything he says. So thankyou for actually going through this and explaining to us how this all works.

[@mount.sinai.5295]

But theres more factors missing? I studied and worked with CAD/CAM and im far away from an expert BUT wouldnt different engines translate quads differently? And wouldnt a simple chamfer affect the triangulations?

[@Eroktic]

Yep

[@HadoukenGr]

I did not expect to get schooled when i clicked on the video by i enjoyed it.

[@lolsteamroller]

Cooks only about the meshing, although that's just one part of modelling, where did the UV mapping & textures on that dong go from Onepeg's video, to me that was the most evident one, hope you can explain that as well.

[@nicz7694]

Could probably be a third party texture file that both got. In C4D or Blender you can also just import texture files onto models. Maybe those are the same but who knows

[@xavier2094]

He talks about the handgrip on his earlier video.

[@hotwings8973]

@@xavier2094 he's also a salty ass BSG hater. So I'll listen to the professional modelers who say it's statistically impossible for them to have the same models from different artists.

[@Jstraitedge]

@@hotwings8973 He's a "BSG hater" for a good reason. He's also a professional modeler and he is also telling you that the models are different. At the end of the day, there are professionals on both sides of the argument and you aren't going to change your mind: You are only going to believe who you want to believe because it confirms your bias.

[@hotwings8973]

@@Jstraitedge he's clearly not a professional. He pulled in a random AK model then talked about how all games are triangles, but that's false. If you actually pull in the game models and compare them they are the same. Period. I couldn't care less if bsg went under. But I'm not gonna pretend that these people are not clearly stealing assets either. It's clear who has the bias and it's not me.

[@superpsion]

Never worked with Blender or other Programs for 3D programing and basically I was thinking I am looking the same thing ... (I thing they are called CAD programs) ... This is something new I learned...thank you bro ! Also the Nikita obviously are trying anyway to prove that the models are stolen, but appears they are not, they are even builded by the RULES of the ENGINE... and this is maybe why the EFT game is running shit and is not optimised ...can that Affect the performance and optimization of the game ...its interfearing with the Engine itself and the animations ...can that result in bad performance and bugs ?! The Arena Breakout game runs smooth as butter ...can that be because the models from the engine are builded as it should !? Greetings from Bulgaria !

[@VictorLecoeur]

This is why I have been following you for so long. Thank you @eroktic.

[@hung8969]

I have a decade of modeling experience. 7 in bender. This whole thing has proven to me. Nikita’s is a talking guy. He know nothing about game development other than “I want this in my game”

[@TheSupertuffe]

Great video! Even though you are correct in the view that there is no stealing of assets, you are wrong about converting from Tris to Quads. There is a addon called Quadremesher from EXOSIDE that works perfectly to convert insane meshes to quads. Mainly for when you are sculpting, but is also useful to reduce or increase vert count in a model. Other than that, I think you are correct in your video! Keep it up!

[@Eroktic]

I am using it. You dont get original topology. That addon has its own algorithm of making its own topo and you can notice the difference in topo of quad remesher. Everythimg would be a grided

[@TheSupertuffe]

@@Eroktic fair enough, I get your point. The topology will be changed a bit, thankx for your reply :)

[@newburger]

​@@Eroktic You earned a new sub 🎉 your reaction in this issue and your first impression about abi is the best! Please do reaction video to Arena Breakout Story of Kamona series if you are looking for a new content👍

[@Angelfox51]

Very interesting and informative. When I see that, I understand there is no point I try to figure out what is stealing an asset or not with my 0 knowledge. I thought Nikita gave a clear evidence of a ripoff but now I see I can't trust anyone since I don't know what a solid evidence is....

[@FearFactor777]

The whole discussion (not yours) is not necessary coz when Nikita is so sure so has chosen the completly wrong way. He should then let it clarify on the law way and not to spread accusations around the world. Eroktic, you have shown it quite good and as you said. Keep up the good work. The people has to be careful not to bring themself into crossfire between two companys. For me is one thing clear... i work with CAD (yes its different to game 3d development) but sometimes its a hell to modify an model from another user. In 90% its easier and faster to create a new model instead to modify or rework an existing one. No one want risk to take over any faults or problems.

[@arsenkurmangali2997]

They did not model a new one using Tarkov as reference, most likely they modified the Tarkov meshes to their standarts. Actually pretty common in the industry, my previous lead provided me with the ripped models from the World of guns on steam, so i will modify them and produce models for their game

[@Tacom01]

I thought the same thing, "they" most likely used the BSG model as a reference. I'm not sure if that would count as tracing or something though

[@saloscontent]

no they used a real model as reference exactly like bsg did

[@xavier2094]

Probably traced to cut costs. Stealing is illegal but copying isn't, though it is frowned upon. But hey knowing how they run sweatshops if it cuts costs might as well go with the free route.

[@xavier2094]

I mean you can't definitively prove that they ripped the assets off of Tarkov to copy them based on the models. But you can speculate that they did...which is not enough sometimes in court.

[@xavier2094]

At the end of the day it's BSG using the court of public opinion as bullets to fire at ABI. Why do we even care? We're just consumers. (Well unless you payed $250 for Unheard you can care as much as you want I guess)

[@Kalergi_Plan_Accelerationist]

Why would they? U can just use blueprints and have everything perfectly detailed. Every nut, a dent, spring etc.

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

Here's an alternative perspective, I dont care if its stolen or borrowed. If you put a 3D asset into the wild, expect it to be stolen. Just ask the 3D2A community.

[@shiro3146]

wut is 3d2a?

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

@@shiro3146 the guys who design digital assets to bring into the real world

[@visuals2763]

I am learning Blender rn and this was very cool insight into the situation. thank you.

[@Teleport73]

What a great analysis and explanation. But Nikita should know all this surely? So that begs the question, what is he trying to achieve? Does he think we'll all boycot ABI in protest? Good luck with that. There are many more valid reasons why players should boycot EFT.

[@sgt_samples]

You make a good point. The models could be really well done copies. Do you think this why the animations are so very similar as well? The side by side animations on many of the reloads, such as the M4, P90, and AK platforms are identical, with what I believe to be very minor changes to try to make them seem different. Curious to hear your opinion.

[@Eroktic]

I am not animator, but after this i have a wild guess what it can be...

[@KiteoHatto]

For all we know there could be a person who is not doing stuff "in-house" as Nikita might want to believe. Wouldn't be surprised if some intern is grabbing models and animations from places and passing them as done by themselves.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

damn, imagine my shock that actual real life objects look the same when turned into 3D!

[@Athasin]

Love it when someone who ACTUALLY has experience in the industry makes a video about a controversial topic like this instead of just regurgitating the same propaganda.

[@Joeythejew]

People need to know that making replica game is not like making a replica watch or t-shirt. It would take way more effort and time for them to take the assets from them and put them into ABI

[@Johnny31323]

Nikitina Bulja se sve više i više širi. Će mu ga nabije TenCent lol 😂

[@ishitrealbad3039]

the grey rearsight also has bevelled edges, the yellow one does not have bevelled edges

[@proximity88]

In video games you have LODS it could be a LOD export from engine and not original source, also they might have needed to optimise the guns to run better in game which would be removing detials like you have pointed out...

[@mrrooter601]

just goes to show, you had SO many people screaming about decimate in the comments on the last video, but surprise surprise they were absolutely clueless.

[@holybally33]

I love you Eroktic ❤️🙏🏼 Thank you for content!

[@ike2k4]

This whole drama has been wild, entertaining and educational. what more could we want?

[@7Deer7]

It's more likely the case that it isn't stolen. However mesh that looks THAT close is really fishy. I've been working for 12 nearly 13 years in the 3d industry. You could tell everyone you work with or every student to build an ak 3d model and nothing would look even close to each other essentially. Could be because they used softwares other than blender with more precise triangulation & polycount reduction if they nicked it, and just reduced the polycount for their mobile game originally. A single Modifier in 3DS Max (when I last used it about 7 years ago) could make results like this. But there is also a high chance that both companies used the exact same reference to model the same AK. Presuming they didn't buy it that is. I know I am counter-dicting myself here but hopefully you get my point. I do not think it's stolen personally. This is because if I were to nick it, I'd use the 3ds max I remember and if not then unreal engine to give it a full remesh while still being able to save the UVW's so you would not be able to tell. It's quite literally the click of a button. In my old (apparently top rated) school specialized in 3d, they used to teach is to always steal whenever possible. Kinda funny when it gets suspected of happening though. :D

[@Eroktic]

can you replicate what abi did from tarkov base mesh?

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Or the arena breakout team has more resources and more references to pull from to make their models I'd still want to have actual proof rather than a salty dev complaining Bro is going to get sued himself

[@syntax9044]

@@Eroktic from the screenshots we have seen, yes. Within minutes you could turn the EFT mesh into the yellow mesh.

[@7Deer7]

@@Eroktic From what I remember which is vague, Yes. I know that's not much to go on though, apologies. :) But it would likely look different somewhat. From what I remember, in this case I would quadify the mesh to 100% then triangulate it by 5% and follow selections, to re-create the exact same yellow model shown. This will however affect the UVW's to a certain extent. Could possibly be fixed by a skilled unwrapper which is WAAAAAAAY out of my league. I keep editing this reply due to spelling mistakes. Can recommend beer after work, kids. :D

[@7Deer7]

@@LUCAS420BLZ Yea true.

[@speedkiller3026]

Very satisfying to watch Eroktic do stuff in blender! Now that he(Eroktic) pointed it out again, I think Nikita might actually be trying to abuse his audience AGAIN, to attack the ABI devs. Some people might get curious and actually try to get a hold of those models illegally and try to compare them. Nikita is indirectly enticing people to do it but if Nikita really thinks they are stolen he should simply be sueing them instead of making drama on the internet... If Nikita would actually call them out by thier name then ABI devs could sue him for defamation.

[@orlfane1622]

If he has proof why not present it to Steam and have them take the game down

[@seymourgainz5505]

love you brother. you're content is top notch

[@Kepusu]

Informative video for sure :D

[@THON176]

Good video man keep it up

[@edgardsimon983]

Guys how u explain that everything look the same except the mesh cause apparently u need a vertex/edge/face identical mesh to be sure ?

[@GabenHood]

Its perfectly clear which one is the blatant no refund scam.

[@orlfane1622]

Yeah but they were giving out game keys as a refund. LOL

[@mikrobixmikrobix]

i told u - they used tarkov model as skeleton to build own model (maybe) we do not know but it explain that mesh is similar but topology is diffrent

[@JustJoshinYouBro]

If your streaming career and mobster career falls through, you could always make tutorials on blender.

[@mlgsquirrel]

there are a lot of model designers that are in ABI, you can untriangulate a mesh by hand even if it takes time, which they have a lot of. think with your brain. and that vertex idea wouldn't work because if the model is moved even a tiny bit it would change the location of all the vertices making that idea useless.

[@Eroktic]

you have absolute no idea what you are talking about

[@mlgsquirrel]

@@Eroktic can you elaborate? any why are your opinions so heavily biased towards ABI, you probably have thousands of hours in tarkov, why change your opinion so quickly.

[@LatinaGaming88]

honestly its really up to kalashnikov concern and Russian and uk law to figure out that happened as the game might not have had the rights to use the gun but only the name and then did a copy of the correct model from a different game

[@mcflappy01]

When nikita reveets 100s of bad decisions before even saying sorry

[@ThePriceIsNeverRight]

This wouldn't be the first time Nikita lied

[@stkchi1028]

It is a good video to explain to the ppl who don't know anything about 3d modeling and let the viewers judge if ABI is rip off or not .