Aristotle's Politics

[@sergeyfox2298]

Aristotle is why the united states seems to be both oligarchic and democratic. Does this mean republican Philosophy is really just a mixture of oligarchy and democracy, where an egalitarian but elite class impacts legislation, while also getting the masses to vote for Political elites to then manifest the wishes of the oligarch class? The united states exhibits democratic tendencies to give forth oligarchic outcomes, where the oligarch class can materialize the wishes of their class through the voting masses and democratic engagement of the masses in elections. Republican Philosophical thinking is about getting the masses, especially today, to participate in materializing the liberal rights of the American oligarch class. This gives me ability to see united states as using democratic apparatuses to reify oligarchy. So, social media and other mediums where they talk about the ails of the US and we as people (as masses) can engage with the material present is plain nonsense, because it doesn't actually come with any real power to impact the United States oligarchic state. I can write this Analysis, and the US just keeps on moving. Indeed, the United States democratic elements are intended to get masses to engage in democratic thinking while the oligarch class still pretty much runs the show Economically and Politically. The united states does an excellent job at making me feel like I can even make these Analyses, while me not really being free. The illusion of my freedom is that I'm able to access these contents and engage in Political thinking while not exhibiting any real threats to the oligarch class and the state that is oligarchic in theory but democratic in practice.

[@methylmike]

Your logic is slighted by critical race theory. It's gross. Republicanism is purely and strictly about small government via minimal taxation When you fail to understand it is a illegitimate form of democracy which corrupts a country like america; as other democracies have failed. Curiously, ideologically lensed attacks, such as you have leveled, are born out of eastern block nations. The western philosophy of individualism, of freedom, provides the MOST egalitarian and equal platform for pursuing happiness. Get out of here with that blame capitalism cuz only rich people win. It's loser talk and like the runt, you will die from lack of nurisument

[@sergeyfox2298]

@@methylmike I'm not sure how to respond. Your comment doesn't give me much to go from.

[@methylmike]

well you can start with defending "an egalitarian elite class impacting legislation" while true, completely goes against your position. first, the elite class is anything but egalitarian. functionally they are not, basically by definition they are not. when the few rule the many, you do not have an egalitarian society. dont kid yourself, in this life, money is power and power is consolidated. second, current legislative efforts are purely serving the elites, but only through slighting the many (aka the poor). Ex: defund police, raising taxes, printing fiat money and unheard of inflation. and there are many more examples which reflect a societal decay, rather than an egalitarian push for equality. The equity of american ancestors produced tens of trillions of dollars of wealth and value, and the leeches have looked on longing long enough. however, its not about that, they key here is to study history, examine ourselves constantly, and banish bad ideas. crucially this is what aristotle, plato and socrates are so important for introducing into western society. MY point is to highlight how it is eastern, communistic ideas and their paradigm which has a corrosive effect, and it is synonymous with the youth in the west who are uneducated and scream about systematic racism. aristotle would kill that child today

[@sergeyfox2298]

@@methylmike if I understand correctly, elite classes saw egalitarianism as a way to equalize the relationship between state and the elite classes, and that equality is about recognizing the ability, capacity of the elite masses, which of course is a very small subset of the state or national population. the early liberals saw systems needing to be more centering the elite classes of the state, because the states were too often centering the royal classes. so I'd argue that elites are distinct from royals. your thinking that right wing solutions like funding police, lowering taxes (privileges the elite classes, despite seeing marginal tax reduction for non-elite masses compared to elite masses), making money based off of gold standard (I'm guessing privileging those with gold, being elite masses), are eye opening. I'm seeing that you see how left leaning folks are being fooled to think they support politics that is egalitarian, but you don't see that your pro-equality thinking supports elites. if I'm right, left leaning masses and right leaning masses are duped to think they support egalitarian politics, because liberals (right wing and left wing liberals being elitist) are getting us to vote for people - folks who produce egalitarian political rhetoric and technically an egalitarian state that privileges them - to structure our state that privileges upper classes and marginalizes non-elite masses. hmm.

[@sergeyfox2298]

@@methylmike put simply, we are voting for our state to be inequitable and unequal without us realizing it.

[@SethTheOrigin]

Interesting how he finishes on saying the days of the cultured gentlemen is past, because I personally would say he himself was the last cultured aristocratic gentleman of any note. These days, great men and women are not by nature aristocratic in the way Russell was. For example, a hundred years ago it would of been unthinkable for any cultured gentlemen to not be well versed in Latin and Greek: but, can anyone name off the top of their head such a man nowadays? But Russell was, and lived so close to our time and even effected the post-war consensus in his own way. With his death came the end of the gentlemen of the old world.

[@sergeyfox2298]

To my knowledge, Russel wasn't believing that man and woman are aristocratic by Nature. Russell appears to be skeptical of Aristotle's anthropoligical Metaphysics of human beings. He Implicitly critiqued aristotle by asserting that modern republican governments are not or less hiearachical. Of course, I'm not convinced russell was correct by these assertions, but he thought that modern states were democratic, egalitarian, and that aristotle's conception of the polis is not empirically present. In fact, I suspect that He felt modern European states and the West were liberal, free, advanced, etc. It could be said russell saw the British Empire as democratic and giving forth modern conceptions of the state to the "pre-democratic" societies of the world.

[@gda295]

appreciated!

[@abcrane]

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