ArmA 3 Apex Expansion Thoughts and Review

Hey guys! Today we're going over my thoughts on the ArmA 3 Apex expansion :D Sorry for the late upload, trying to squeeze 3 videos into 24hrs XD
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[@maskedviper7157]

Salvo in the intro, 100/10

[@northernepsilon2153]

"Cut the crap Salvo."

[@WraithTheDayZBandit]

Bohemia needs to hire whoever did the sounds for Escape from Tarkov

[@NoName-eb7ff]

I Am Z1 that never gonna happen those are way other “copanies” so they would never merge and make a game to gether and they are gonna lose alot of money if they do that

[@BradPitt88]

sound in tarkov isnt 3d, and its glitching, like scav walking up on sec floor and you dont hear it, cause its glitching. Doe quality of sound by meaning realistic its great. But still, for pvp type game its crap .When the game imposes such restrictive rules on the player, the more it should ensure an appropriate level of reliability. Such thing like kicking for high ping, lag switch, sound glitching, bad tick rate server lagging should've happen.

[@Zargero10]

The hardest thing about the apex coop was getting my friends to not kill each other

[@Phaedo82]

Great review, man! This convinced me to pick up Apex.

[@OperatorDrewski]

+Phaedo 82 yep! Thanks mate :D

[@OperatorDrewski]

+Phaedo 82 yep! Thanks mate :D

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

is thier submarines one man ones? underwater guns? envorments

[@LTDanno360mods]

i cant find a server unless i buy apex so i guess if i want to play arma 3 then i gotta buy it \

[@TonyMoriati]

LTDanno360 I think your right I have same problem, I think apex is overpriced yet not having it has stuffed me

[@nickumstead]

Arma 2 Operation Arrowhead had a really good story for the most part, the co-op campaign was pretty neat with the different role perspectives. The British Armed Forces campaign was a nice counter insurgent story and PMC was amazing with the 2 player co-op. Arma 3 was good but that could be the fond memories I had back in 2014 when I first got this game when I didn’t have internet and only Zeus was the alternative to the showcases and story. Overall I really enjoy the series, bugs and all

[@Cognobean]

Arma 3 is lack of acting i guess, lack of animations when firefight. If you play COD or BF, you'll see how are their animations when got hit. Also when they taking cover and react to being pinned down, grenade explosion, etc. basically is lacking of cinematic aspect. I know games like Arma 3 they don't apply animations for more cinematic purposes, in firefight. But these little things could spices up the game. Or maybe thats just how the game's engine work... Idk.

[@diptapradnyana3258]

That is a fact, the game still good though. Ps : be careful, hate reply incoming from a fucktard fanboy who cannot accept a valid critic

[@tropicalfruit4571]

To me it seems that the only thing that arma needs is just fluid animations. There's a big step forward since Arma 2 but it's still bad. Take a look at Rainbow Six Siege for example. The animations of characters there are so fucking smooth. They are not top-notch but they are very good(ignoring the fact that sometimes when you're against a wall in a corner and you flip your legs to lay down on your back "your eyes" see less movement of your body than you really do). But back to the point. Imagine Arma 3 with fluid animation of jumping over fences, climbing, fluid and fast switches between stances, not getting blocked by your gun when you're peaking doors(ffs just make it move!), fluid doors openings(I mean it doesn't have to be perfect. BF has some shitty hand animation and the doors open with 1 button!) slides, etc, etc. Pretty much the stuff that arcade and casual games have. Mixed with seriousness of this game It'd be just the best game ever. Now it's something to play war pretty accurately(with mil-sim and mil-sim like communities, vanilla arma is so bad :D) and forgive it for it's floppiness.

[@sjbmx]

Fluid animations, a new method for interactions (ie: trying to open a door or enter a vehicle and reloading or healing yourself instead), and, most importantly, legitimate optimization.

[@AbdulHadi-tr2zl]

In my opinion Arma 3 should more focus on close combat. not distance far away that why Ai less alert when we firing close to close.

[@90AlmostFamous]

Operation flashpoint even used to simulate fatigue (aim wobbling from heavy breathing ) , I will take that feature over any cinematic animations

[@zachawesome10]

So, I preordered apex almost a year ago, and a month or so ago, my computer just stopped working, and the night before apex got released, I got it fixed. And when it came out, I downloaded it and it was my first time playing it, and it was AMAZING, I love apex. Best Dlc I have ever played.

[@dylanhorton5147]

I have no idea why he doesn't have more subs bc all of his vids are detailed and interesting unlike a lot of channels I love that you actually explain things

[@tegsvid8677]

5 years ago

[@ctrl_alt_deleter]

Even though late, I'm so glad I bought Arma 3 Apex Edition during the Halloween sale. Only $17. Such a great deal, and I watch your videos for reference.

[@dimal3628]

Thot Ramen how and where did u get it?

[@dimal3628]

Spartan B-186 zhabadima10 or Smuckles idk which one. the profile pic is one punch man

[@TheTragedyOfKareem]

Got mine for 7 dollars 😂

[@AceThaDon]

@@TheTragedyOfKareem you didnt get the expansions for $7, you got the game by itself for $7

[@DarkSideSixOfficial]

Hunters and Ifrits with HMG/GMG were extremely balanced, and still are. If you know how to disable them properly, and efficiently, you can easily send an enemy mechanized squad running.

[@MannYSJ1080p]

Anyone else notice the foliage spawning in whilst your run close to it? It's like the LOD distance is on 10m or something

[@Kridian01]

Yeah, they're getting a lot of feedback in the forums about the LOD pop-ins. They'll fix it eventually.

[@TheSound0fLegends]

+Kridian01 no they won't this is bis your talking about.

[@GetBuckAU]

Well the changed it from the previous LOD loading technique cause everyone was complaining of looking shit. Well they changed it.

[@TheSound0fLegends]

+GetBucK changing is one thing but fixing is a whole different ball game

[@friedmurmur]

I don't know about you but I though Apex Protocol was the best campaign. Being able to play with a squad of friends and communicate tactics and information between us was awesome. Fighting viper squad on any mission was terrifying as you never knew where they could be and they had laser accurate aim. And Mission 4 was by far the best as you were being searched for from an unbeatable number of Syndikat. I liked Tanoa way better than the default maps and CSAT was better represented in this game than they were in the default game.

[@konanhuet623]

Yeah it was great! but the respawn thing should be removable, because it makes everything so... expendable.

[@volkkeslate]

AI and mission making has honestly never been Bohemia's strong point. I feel like the main thing they do is release the framework that the community builds and grows off of. That being said it would definitely be interesting to see another company pull off a milsim simply to see what they would do better (Arma's horrendous action menu comes to mind).

[@candlesticksandbeweird1243]

my main questions are; 1. Can you play it in Third person mode in single player? 2. Can you play it in LAN mode (without internet) using 3rd person mode as well? 3. How many people can connect using the LAN mode and will they all use 3rd person modes too?

[@Born_Yashish]

Medal of Honer Warfigther had even better sounds the BC2. They recorded actual guns, from various distances and in different bursts (how the gun will sound when firing the 1st bullet, and how it sounds when it fires the 23rd bullet in a raw).

[@Grayghost04]

I absolutely agree with you on your appraisal of Bohemia Interactive. Honestly, Arma 3 was a huge letdown when compared to Arma 2 and Arrowhead. It is true that BI improved some of the aspects of predecessors but ever-presenting stability issues, below the average gameplay elements including animations, AI, and glitches hindered the vistas of mil-sim genre. We need more competition. BI should contend with other competitors and we shouldn't give it a comfort-zone which overlooks any flaws and shortcomings.

[@imSianTV]

2:47 large, and so many tiny iwinds

[@staticyrro]

I think a week per "APEX Protocol" mission seems more realistic, to account for all the debugging you'd have to do... but I'm not an experienced mission maker, so perhaps I'm being too generous. :)

[@eraser1717]

Most people don't realize that the ArmA 3 engine (RealVirtuality, aka "RV") wasn't even made by BIStudio. It was made by a SEPARATE company called "Bohemia Interactive SIMULATIONS". BISimulations made Virtual BattleSpace (VBS) and various other simulations (usually related to VBS) for actual military training purposes. You have to understand that BIStudio (who made the ArmA series) are using an engine that they didn't make (and in some places, clearly don't understand), which wasn't really created for multiplayer, or anything outside of simulating infantry combat situations. This is the reason why the engine, and many related features, have such major shortcomings (such as the AI). This is also why the "new" Enfusion engine for DayZ SA performs so much better, because BIStudio actually went through (most if not) all of the RVEngine code, removed stuff that they didn't need, rewrote stuff that needed to be rewritten, and changed so much of it that it effectively became a new engine. And that's good! Because that means BIStudio is finally working with an engine that they actually created, one that they may now fully understand. Therefore, depending on how the Enfusion engine performs, we may see it in ArmA.

[@manuellabor2759]

Sounds like ARMA 3 is like ARMA 2. I noticed in ARMA 2, the more AI Units on a map/mission, the stupider the AI get.

[@Norkeys]

Zsavage1 That's a fucking tank, not just a PC.

[@sargstacker5579]

NATO in the Pacific and no AU or NZ forces... but there's middle eastern and British forces. Anyone else confused as hell?

[@nooneimportant3477]

Arn't the Pacific csat Chinese.

[@nicholashalvorson1923]

yeah dude csat Chinese and stuff in pacific and British yes because they are in ctrg because they are special forces and go where they are needed just like us

[@nooneimportant3477]

+Nicholas Halvorson yeah. They probably have JTAC levels of freedom.

[@sargstacker5579]

Still. No auzzies involved in a pacific crisis just seems a bit weird?

[@nooneimportant3477]

+Sarg Stacker in the clip, at the start I think that one guy has an Australian accent.

[@RickOShay]

I agree about the weak weapon sounds in Apex - and Arma 3 in general. Even though BIS have made some improvements in the sound engine and attenuation - the actual weapon sounds are generally still very weak imo. Personally I don't think it's fair to write off Arma3 on the basis of a thin SP Apex experience. I've spent over 7000 hours in A3 and still find new mission ideas and playing experiences all the time. Sure the AI could be better and maybe there could be more content in Apex but the A3 model is a tricky line to tread. All I really want now are some decent commercial and civilian ships to stage hostage / terrorist missions on. So many islands and so few non military ships that we can walk on. Anyway interesting review apart from the spoilers. ;)

[@megakillowning]

that snatcher guy part was really funny ! Lmao

[@pritsky4219]

You might want to add the fact that the campaign is clearly not designed for solo players; I played through the entire campaign solo and found that many objectives are held by large squads of guerrilla soldiers who can kill the player in a single shot. Moreover, the final mission's last objective disables all but one respawn point, forcing the player to spawn in an area being overlooked by a CSAT fireteam and, eventually, caused a spawn kill loop. English isn't my first language and I apologize in advance for any bad grammar, spelling, etc.

[@lewiszhu6728]

TBH, I'm expecting more mission coming from Bohemia, just like the video said, no new vehicle was used in the missions, and the whole east wind device story could go much deeper, I can't believe the current state is the finally version for APEX

[@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha]

Amazing expansion pack, got over 60 hours on it already and loving every second. Awesome new map, great coop campaign (The missions are very replayable), nice new faction and cool new vehicles and weapons. Much better than the well made Arrowhead exp for arma2 imo.

[@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha]

Digger Noises Sounds good!, I have been putting up a server for the coop missions the last while :) Will probably be playing these for a good while, along with some user made levels and the odd game of Tanoa Life or Exile :)

[@codymccoy1214]

Hey OperatorDrewski I really love your videos and I hope that you will keep making them for us to watch. Keep doing what your doing.

[@Alecxace]

battlefield badcompany 1 gun sounds were orgasmic. Def the best in the whole Battlefield series.

[@TheCraigHudson]

I agree with you about the sounds but damn the crack sound as round zip by instantly starts the adrenal glands

[@DisgracedAero]

Bad Company 2 had some pretty good sounds too. The snipers always felt like you were firing a bigass round downrange.

[@Baleur]

5:40 i still remember the first time i got the M240 (or whatever its called, the machine gun) in Bad Company 2. The fucking sound and echoing reverbing spatters of that gun is incredible.

[@ghsu901]

+operatordrewski Arma 3 AI have a minimum range according to the weapon they are using which is inside the weapon config, under that range they wont engage you. probably just a dev mistake

[@TheJwwinter]

The problem with vegetation, There's absolutely no wind movement on the grass / trees.

[@ToxicFlame2014]

if everyones gettin huge frame drops already, imagine what would happen if every tree/bush/shrub has its own movement based on wind

[@thelonepainter4760]

i agree the sounds need work. suppressers and the high caliber guns...

[@geekrobo8446]

Simce this update, I've had a 45+fps loss, even though I'm playing on Altis or Stratis. With everything maxed out, I get 90fps average on Tanoa and 35-55 on an Altis server where I used to have 90+fps(yes in MP). Gpu usage stays at ~30%. And cpu usage is at 30% too, while vram is at 3 gb. Strange.......

[@Dogburt_Junior]

and yes, the APEX missions could be an easy scripted mission, and it really did end on a weird note with the VTOL slowly flying over, I was actually tempted to do that mission again with AT to see what'd happen, and they had cheap suspense by not telling what was going on and only being vague about the big picture, but the community can do a lot of cool new things with it. I played the APEX preview and there were Invade & Annex servers and those missions were awesome, and some were even all jungle which was a pain since I couldn't see anything with thermals but still really good. and those were done within small time frame. I really would like to see a SP mod where you are someone like Warlock and you try to conquer Tanoan villages and islands like a conquest, maybe even make it multilayer like a RTS in Arma using Zeus but add a currency limit and faction selective. Also with MP survival games people making bases in the jungle and on islands will be insane, especially since they have limited access to heavy vehicles. I honestly wouldn't mind if they copied the second campaign and copied it into Tanoa, have a hidden jungle guerilla camp and raids military compounds. APEX could also use some more diverse local military, maybe for their heavy vehicle have a hunter reskinned.

[@JoeyJoJoJoestarJuniorShabadoo]

I wonder why BIS has never wanted to do an arctic map. I think Arma 4 should go back to the cold war and take place in Alaska.

[@Puzzoozoo]

No campaign story will ever match the three part trilogy story of Call of Duty Modern Warfare for emotional attachment to the characters.

[@taxavoider9889]

When you said about the Ai can't see you walk up behind them I thought, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T SEE YOU FROM BEHIND!

[@henryklee680]

before the update they will always seeyou

[@eduardkaseberg1378]

Like when you shot down the overflying Xian in the last mission.

[@OhItsThat]

The only reason BIS makes Arma is cause of all the real military sim stuff they do. That's why Arma is so unique.. For a new dev to create a game like Arma or better then just out of thin Air would be such a huge feat it wouldn't be worth it...

[@masterbeethoven8209]

£12 on Steam at the moment!

[@jacqob7856]

Today USSF have anti-thermal suits too :)

[@GordonSeal]

There is Squad. Even though it's still in early access and unsure if it will live up to it's hype, but it's promising.

[@xTopGamer69]

I love how he says its repetitive as he proceeds to play tarkov

[@MatoVuc]

so far, the best part of Apex for me are the Prowler and Qilin, Viper backpack and green hex csat uniform i run in my whole lotta altis RHS plays

[@fa-ajn9881]

Dear Bohemia Interactive... FIX THE ERCO

[@sageg58]

Why is it broken

[@loganjordan71]

I think he's talking about how you can't see through either sight with thermal.

[@TEHGROUND]

what's wrong with the ERCO? I haven't used it much.

[@Birch12430]

+Logan Jordan it's realistic

[@loganjordan71]

No, it's not. The ERCO sight is basically a magnifying glass, almost like a little window. You should be able to see pictures with it in thermal.

[@HansThePlayer]

I don't like that you can't demolish buildings, I understand that you can't demolish the large buildings but you should be able to demolish village buildings and such. It also feels weird that you can't use vehicles to take down the smaller trees in Tanoa but you can do it in Stratis and Altis.

[@theunbelivebilldarknes4396]

Good Video. But one of my problems is, that bohemia showed flash bangs in their second trailer and throwing them into a door, but nothing like that was released.

[@BanditoBurrito]

Late comment but I love Arma, I just wish the missions were more cinematic and less grindy and frustrating. Like the ambush was really cool and you had AI to help you out so it didn't feel like you're just this one-man unstoppable machine. Can be really annoying. I played a mod called Callsign: Minotaur where you are an APC commander and it was super cinematic and relatively relaxing except for a few parts, much better scripts too.

[@cherminatorDR]

+OperatorDrewski No, man, the AI in ArmA 3 is incredibly realistic - that dude you were back to back with was experiencing a psychological phenomenon known as paradoxical fear, and that's why he wasn't shooting at you. That's how detailed the AI is.

[@abroamg]

they should have done more arround the pl-01 concept tank

[@tommymarquant6818]

I think the sounds of the guns like you said, will be update like Katiba and Mx before!

[@jakeen229]

Great review, weird you said BC2 had the best audio of any game. Not sure if you played BF4 regardless of the opinion of the game but I believe as of right now no game has anything close to the sound.

[@Laluna2345]

Truck and salvo are amazing

[@SnowfeetUS]

4:24 I just like to think the future=quieter guns.

[@vd9866]

Though it's literally more than one year away, I still want to say the reloading animations in Apex are too hollywoodish, they should learn from PR/Squad in terms of animations.

[@Vanhala]

What is your AI set to? Intelligence and shooting accuracy can be scaled.. it seems both are way the hell down on yours. You shouldn't have been able to get close to the base of that rock without the AI engaging you (I got killed 2 seconds after I shot the guy on the path) without checking my environment first. I suspect you have AI dialed way the hell down and that's why you're having those issues with AI stupidity.

[@demonoid1024]

An add on to Arma 3, which both Arma 3/ and apex I have bought, thought this would be a great add on to my initial game, that would let me on servers over 65% of the time with just Arma 3, now I can connect 0% of the time in either, 30% i have no mods, 62% I get kicked, for no reason, probably having no mods, 8% because this or that is required (mods again),8 days I have held Apex, and not once on the servers provided, without mods used, have I played a game 0, nada, ziltch, nothing....

[@rileywilliams5386]

Just saying the Sounds for the new weapons are a little.. you know not the best in the world for the AK's and the HK 416's and 17's are ok. Still good through and through. Also got a feeling from the Launch Trailer that there will be more Campaign coming soon

[@antialligaterd7652]

I agree with that statement , because what happened in the launch trailer has almost nothing to do with story

[@231ian1]

they should have added sights for the AKs

[@brich233]

It was battlefield bad company 1 that had the really good sound.

[@vladimirvycichlo9126]

Do you know why Chernarus looks so good? Cuz its made by České středohoří - Czech mid mountains and if you stand on some place (cant remember where) you can see its nearly the same as in real life :) sorry for english i am from CZ and am proud of it ! :)

[@J2Ninja]

tonao is a great terrain but hammers frames worse than altis. just have to play the single player end game scenario in parts frames nosedive. hopefully this will be patched before long

[@GodSEndOMG]

Great review! How is the fps from arma 3 br maps vs arma 3 apex maps?

[@1tzugaris]

literally the same crippling 20-30 fps

[@iiqxcc7257]

@@1tzugaris not necessarily i get like 90 fps with a gtx 770 lol

[@zachawesome10]

Except I can't get the ramp on the vehicle transport version of the NATO VTOL to open. But other than that apex is amazing

[@Kridian01]

Yeah, the devs went back and shut it for good because people were trying to drive the vehicles up into the back and crashed on the invisible barrier. Engine limitations in play?

[@misfit4816]

Yeah the vehicle is one big block in the game not just 4 walls and a ramp

[@pavelcerny9803]

8:12 I am fucking dead every time I hear this :D

[@userojwhdbs]

Viper does look like aliens tho

[@justaghoulintheworld]

So true if the AI were good and they could play a mission through interacting correctly with each other using equipment and vehicles and the player just sat back as a spectator and saw it all go to plan then that would be something but thats not Arma. Battlefield started off as a sandbox milsim if only we had a better game.

[@TryHardln]

Can i run it? Intel core i3 2.00 GHz 64 bit [] AMD RADEON graphics M5 M430 [] 8 GB ram Can i run Arma 3??? edit = can i run higher than lowest settings???

[@TryHardln]

RubbishPlayer well i got Arma 3 and i could run it on standard with 40 fps

[@seppalastname4574]

Not sure

[@xianph]

impressive gameplay. care to share what settings you smoothly play ARMA3? been really wanted to play this game but it seems its very difficult to find group to play with...

[@sierra715]

That stubby AK is a AKS-74u

[@demonmit1390]

Love the map, havent had time to get into the campaign, but what pisses me off is all these servers running Invade & Annex or KOTH, or other objective based modes are blocking the use of the new weapons, backpacks, and gear. People are so happy new stuff came out, but when you cant use them in multiplayer, whats the point?

[@jonhaasnoler]

I feel like the only reason i would buy it is becaus the map and the weapon. I dont even play arma anymore becaus i disliked the old maps so mutch and my cpu culdnt handle the game that well. Im not sure if this is enough.

[@tofuholland6145]

You should play a game called black very nice SFX.

[@patrickboyd3406]

You were talking about BF bad company 2

[@rage9one]

Bf4 has the best and most realistic weapon sounds imo.

[@g3tshotheett]

Mw2019:sup

[@greyfoxyo]

that A.I dosent justify the fucking complex controls .

[@Just4kGaming]

If apex wasnt that expensive it would be great.

[@ncalimendo]

That camo though, I want it

[@trblemayker5157]

Does anybody have any idea how to add AI partners in the campaign?

[@JMPJackGuitar]

Mary had a little lamb Stevie Ray Vaughan

[@Dogburt_Junior]

You complain about the AI in CQB when in reality CQB isn't that good in Arma series overall. CQB usually requires adjile movement and Arma had never delivered good mobility options where CQB can be very effective. You were also talking about how the guns are more powerful and loud in real life but if that was the case then everyone would lose hearing. RIP headset users. I do agree the campaign sucks for APEX but I was ok with the default campaign because it did something pretty cool with you being on the side of the guerillas in the second campaign, which I've never finished because I can't do squad leadership very well because it's so complicated and they die so fast.

[@AwkwardBeggar]

I want to buy the game, but i see there's a few DLC's as well. I mainly want to play roleplay, but I'd also like to play it like dayz standalone. Is this only like single player dlc or does it actually give you access to things in either role play or survival pvp? Also, i dont care too much for helicopters, though i do like me some ghillie, so do i need the "helicopters" dlc or can i get away with only buying the "marksman" dlc? It's kind of confusing to someone who hasnt played the game before.

[@Sean-px9fk]

The game will only ask you to purchase DLC if your character physically comes into contact with it. Therefore, you only have to buy the dlc for what you want to use (i.e. marksman).

[@enzlof]

i'm so fucking HYPED

[@reeereee5323]

for some one that has played very little of any arma game (around half an hour ) would this game be a good game to start.

[@adelbertbellgika9890]

„Its alot of a polished expirience” cheeki breeki polska kurwa 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

[@vryheim7427]

I feel like you should have more subs! Great review. Keep it up!

[@DrewMaw]

Devs of Squad are our last hope.

[@sbraypaynt]

Can't wait for Dayz on this

[@ArchOfficial]

Exile servers run Tanoa.

[@retconned4092]

so we didn't get any explanations of the first campaigns cliff hanger?

[@FoxWithTheAngels]

Recorded and put in *_𝕣𝕒𝕨_*

[@Atony94]

This is the exact same thing that happened with Arma 2's "Operation Arrowhead" as well. BI needs to stop trying and competing with modders, they just can not do it. Arma 2 multiplayer was amazing because of mods like ACE and realism communities like United Operations that basically just used Arma as a foundation and they added everything else themselves. BI needs to focus on releasing a solid foundation for modders because without mods they NEVER would have been this successful. Their games are carried by the awesome community, not them.

[@sargstacker5579]

Also to be the "Apex" for Arma 3 it sorta feels a little flat.

[@abdulahmed3251]

Still don't think it should be 35 bucks, should be max around 20 or 25.

[@Cooleyo789]

wish my arma looked this good

[@Fashiftwa]

all i care for is the map cars and gear(clothes weapons) story i honestly dont care for and the rest seems good and a big sale sooooooooooooo...

[@bystrengthandguile5468]

Yo Tanoa is based on the French Polynesia like alts was

[@bystrengthandguile5468]

it is the real place slightly modified

[@awesomo660]

By Strength And Guile it's based off an island near Fiji

[@mariohissam7612]

well you need to higher the effect to hear it too loud

[@user-jr2ue9nu6y]

The reality so much time went into the island...in spite of their/ BIS info graphic displaying Apex in development since more then a year ago. BIS will never admit it but very little went into new weapons, units, vehicles or missions. The Syndikat are neither here and there. They could have had a poorly equipped under funded independent Tanoan military slammed by the vast CSAT army and NATO sent in to help this Pacific democracy. They made the Chinese CSAT...with no back story. Things get cut or reduced when you have a deadline. But Arma 3 rides its glory well. It banks on the fact fans love Arma 3 and Modders will add content missing. But in my opinion Apex was mediocre. A Pacific water based set of islands and not one new or any armed Naval unit(s)?

[@michaelmoore2315]

I want them to add functioning ships, not pitiful little rubber dinghies, but huge metal aircraft carriers, that you can stand on, take off on, and overall just use. (There are several mods that add such things, but they never work properly, and none of them work at all in multiplayer)

[@perste91]

This is not battlefield - this is more like mincraft. They create a wonderfull sandbox tool for us, which we then play around with and create new things. This is what the Arma soul is - its not singleplayer, its not what it is "bare bones no mods" either. Its about the modding, the scripting, the coding and the endless creativity which the Arma community brings to the game - that is what makes this game so great!

[@MrSuperkaji]

a developer shouldn't resort to having its fans make their game actually fun and enjoyable.

[@user-jr2ue9nu6y]

Ulfgaar So lack of Navy assets is akin or wanting armed sea vessels is like BF? Have you read BIS'es Forum regards Apex/ Tanoa and the lack of naval assets? Same as Women or Civilians...the list goes on. You do also realize who can create mods? Model/ Script? Only really skilled people. So does that mean Arma 3 becomes a Hard core modders exclusive game? And Random casuals be damned? This notion that they made an empty game just for modders is a flawed argument. It firstly has never been acknowledged overtly Arma 3 was meant to be a game for modders. With Content secondary to a modifiable game. That is it was never on the cards to make the game empty and never been said Modders must fill in the blanks. Why then by your own reason just not sell a blank engine with 3Den? I have roughly 1500 Hours in Arma 3 and have yet to make a model or even a Mod. So either I am stupid or I cant. I have to disagree with that argument. That its meant to be a open sandbox and modders will fix it. Engine created solutions far outweigh hacky scripting solutions. I mean Vehicle in Vehicle transport, Bipods. Stamina FFV. Sling loading. All these can only be done by BIS. Sure some of these existed prior to an official BIS implementation...but the results were iffy. Mods are also often incompatible with each other. Also the notion to disagree means we love BF or COD? Really? Again is Arma 3 seen as a willy measuring contest with mine is bigger I am L33T because I plays it and no N00bs'. A community is meant to take into account all plays styles. Even Life gameplay servers or dare I say DayZ

[@user-jr2ue9nu6y]

MrSuperkaji Agreed...I have heard this argument alot. Arma 3 is moddbale. Dont worry about assets Modders will make it. I am still awaiting a working XM 25 cut from Alpha with correct sights and working counter defilate dynamics. And its been 4 years since Arma 3 has happened. So Modders???