Armatix iP1 Smart Gun at the BackUp Gun Match

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Yesterday we looked at the history and the functioning of the Armatix iP1 "smart gun", and today I'm taking it out to a BackUp Gun Match. How will it perform? Will it cycle reliably? Will I time out before I can actually get it authorized to fire? Let's find out!
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[@applechocolate4U]

Absolute gold when the clock starts on the first stage and Ian starts synchronizing the gun

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

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[@corombb]

@@MrCantStopTheRobot Connection lost. Try again?

[@michael931]

You're supposed to do that before you carry it so that was a but disingenuous IMHO.

[@wytfish4855]

@@michael931 a good example for when you really needed a firearm and the only one available is the unsynced smartpistol

[@michael931]

@@wytfish4855 it's not how it is designed ti be used. It is like complaining that a wrench makes a bad hammer.

[@spottless]

Now I would like to see LockPickingLawyer try to bypass the lockout on this thing

[@alexm566]

there's a video from wired bypassing it with a magnet

[@a.k47-74]

Would be a cool crossover episode, LPL has a nice firearms collection.

[@danperry3116]

Easy, pull the firing pin block down with a magnet and glue it in place

[@FunkyNige]

Curious if someone like Deviant Ollam could clone the RFID, or at least dig into what’s being sent to the gun from the watch when you authenticate it.

[@cedhome7945]

Be fun to see lpl trying to get into Ians house and gun safe's

[@groofromtheup5719]

I always wonder about the poor bastards that fall behind Ian in these matches when he whips out his latest incredibly crippling "joke" gun.

[@groofromtheup5719]

and then I realize that even they are better shots than I am.....

[@bakedandsteaked]

From an operational/shooting standpoint, assuming it's authenticated, nothing is really wrong with this gun other than the fact that it's using what could be considered an unreliable cartridge. There were probably some newbies and Ian is a decent shooter.

[@Swarm509]

@@bakedandsteaked Plus I imagine it only takes one or two stages failing horribly (over time) due to a malfunction or ammo issue or whatever to ruin a score. Hell even that double feed was enough to push Ian over the allowed time in one stage.

[@FaceJP24]

@@bakedandsteaked I mean the trigger was awful and that can definitely affect pistol performance in shooting matches like this.

[@bakedandsteaked]

@@FaceJP24 only for D/A which isn't used very frequently. It's hammer fired so the single action trigger is probably better than most striker fired handguns, but I didn't hear him talk about the single action trigger pull so who knows.

[@logicplague]

"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." - Capt. Scott, chief engineer USS Enterprise

[@J.DeLaPoer]

I'd be much more concerned about the State exploiting or otherwise abusing more advanced (future) systems -- as when unfortunate owners of "smart" power meters recently had their electricity shut off by the government due to "emergency". Only the most naive and deluded think the government wouldn't go about screwing with or outright disabling people's guns if they had the ability--- And while it might start with their just doing it to the so called "white supremacists", "insurrectionists" and other -ist -phobe boogeymen, it certainly wouldn't stop there. Considering those people are half the country and are really just normal white folks who don't believe in woke garbage, according to the current regime. Between the hassle of batteries, potential for failure, and the all-but-guaranteed government abuse against political enemies (not to mention random criminal hackers and the million other negatives that'd come into play the more advanced the tech got), it beggars belief that anyone would accept all that for the little added safety these systems would offer. IMO one of the greatest strengths of contemporary firearms is that they're purely mechanical, unlike everything else these days that must all be crammed with electronics and internet-enabled. Current guns cannot be disabled, exploited or manipulated remotely, and with minimum maintenance they will function for generations regardless of weather, temperature, or access to batteries. If this "smart gun" tech ever really takes off, no good will come of it, and I think we'd very quickly regret their existence...

[@owen368]

A true classic in every sense.

[@tjroelsma]

He should have added: "This is a solution to a non-existing problem."

[@gascheck8151]

If it ain’t broke , don’t fix it.

[@darknessnightfall]

gladly we have internet..cell phones..computers..all overthinking

[@A-a724]

Everyone at the range: oh, Ian brought a normal gun again. Ian:😁

[@ScottKenny1978]

You mean 😈

[@giarcsavage]

Whomever loaned the pistol to Ian, thanks, much appreciated! Seeing odd guns on a table is cool and all, but seeing them in action really is enjoyable!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Yes, seconding this! Thank you, wonderful viewer!

[@ogopriater5914]

That’s a bogus account, do not send any information to it. @forgottenweapons there’s a faker here.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

It's still a mystery why nobody wanted to buy this excellent gun for only 2000 USD

[@conmcgrath7174]

He he, go figure? Buy one (in legendary .22 rimfire) and then have it 'close to hand' in a farad cage? Keep plenty of batteries and stay out of the rain. Joking aside, considering the sights (or lack thereof) and the trigger pull and the double feed, Ian did well with it? Pax

[@DL-ij7tf]

I like also how his tests show that if you got the gun stolen from you in a tussle the stealer would absolutely be able to shoot you with it still if he was within about 3 feet, which he would be, as he just wrestled the gun from you.

[@conmcgrath7174]

@@DL-ij7tf Well yeah, I think that was addressed? Funny though if you ran your hand away from the aggressor? Pax

[@jasonparent7967]

@@DL-ij7tf that was addressed. As long as the grip safety was released. The perp would not be able to authenticate the gun if they were 3ft away.

[@DL-ij7tf]

@@jasonparent7967 I said within 3 feet.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

And to think that this ISN'T the most ridiculous gun that Ian has brought to a BUG match. 🤣

[@ubcroel4022]

Type 94 nambu was better lol

[@UXB1000]

Which reminds me - has Ian brought a ZiP 22 to a BUG match before? Would be interesting to see a comparison.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

@@UXB1000 He's shot one but no in a BUG match I don't believe.

[@princecharon]

@@UXB1000 How many times would it fail to fire? It's not a particularly reliable gun, to the point that you could be better off with a Cobray Terminator.

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

Not even top 5. Ian’s BUG matches are things of legend

[@marvindebot3264]

BUG match officials: "what did Ian bring today?" "The antichrist"

[@korstmahler]

Imagine a criminal standing there while the cop activates his pistol at the speed of setting the alarm on his LED watch. "Is it armed yet?"

[@dustinreese4439]

Awesome. Forgotten Weapons truly lives up to its name. Thank you for great content.

[@jamesoprey6330]

"Best Left Forgotten Weapons"

[@fendtrian1621]

It’s not that I forgot this gun I just better not remember it 😂

[@sgas]

I love that you authenticated with the watch during the match lol

[@ScottKenny1978]

Apparently that stage assumed "gun stored in case"

[@mickymondo7463]

Wrap the watch around the grip and tighten the strap to hold the grip safety down, then you can hang from the side of a moving tram whilst trying to shoot the tyres out of the bad guy, with a 22LR😁

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

How did all those tires get inside the bad guy in the first place?

[@notahotshot]

@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC, well you see, what had happened was...

[@MrKurtank]

Absolutely fascinating double episode. Thanks to you, Ian, and to the viewer who lent you the gun. Great content!!

[@nomansland4811]

It the 80’s there was a mechanism for revolvers that could be retrofitted. You wore a ring on each hand could fire the gun with ether hand. The mechanism was locked out and gun would not fire without contact with the ring. Cops I knew in CA used this and it was extensively tested. Then the conversion to autos and security holsters changed all that.

[@nutbastard]

It seems like the way to go with this would be passive RFID implants in the owners hand. Still, it would be susceptible to jamming.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Would make a nice episode suggestion

[@DK-gy7ll]

It was called the Magna-Trigger.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@nutbastard no, not RFID, since that's too easy to clone. Detectable at a pretty long range. NFC like your credit card uses.

[@nutbastard]

@@ScottKenny1978 Ok, then just broadcast (relatively) high powered noise at 13.56MHz, which is what NFC uses. The point is that all radio communications can be jammed, and these low power applications (NFC, RFID) are particularly susceptible to crude jamming with not a whole lot of power. Technically such devices would be illegal under FCC regulations (though maybe not, given the relatively low broadcast strength) but that's not really something that is actively enforced on an individual basis. It looks like 1 watt is the maximum legal amount of power fed to the antennae of an unlicensed radio transmitter. But if there's one thing I know about criminals it's that they don't much care for the law.

[@ronwingrove683]

Thinking about this at the range gave me an idea. There's a lot of discussion about what this gun is actually for. With marginal sights and a short barrel, it's not a target pistol (or at least a very bad one), and at only a .22 and with the setup time, it's not a self defense pistol (or at least a very bad one). However, with the RFID identification, the big ugly watch, the PIN code, and the ability to set a time limit, you know what this is perfect for? Gun rentals at a range. You turn up, you pay your 50 bucks for an hour of range time, the guy behind the counter hands you one of these, a bucket of ammo and a watch, and away you go. Nobody else can pick up your gun and "accidentally" fire it, if you forget it and walk off it automatically locks itself down, it's in .22 rimfire so easily controllable for novice shooters, and at the end of your hour it times about and you have to leave anyway.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'd want a better trigger for training novice shooters, but decent idea for a good use case.

[@Rasta8889]

The actual gun has a bunch of flaws making it a bad idea. Additionally my credo for such things is that you never want to solve human problems by using technology. It hardly ever works and often creates new problems. "Unload, show me the chamber" as seen in this video creates actual safety, a magnet actuated by a piece of software creates a lot of perceived safety.

[@garavin]

Ian noted in the previous video that this was primarily a technology demonstrator. In other words, a proof-of-concept. For what it was, I think it worked pretty well. No one would seriously consider it as a defensive sidearm or target gun, but it was never intended for either of those roles.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@garavin for the cost, they should have made it a target gun.

[@andrewparkin8222]

After having seen the previous video on this I have to say that went surprisingly well. Top marks to Ian for starting with it deactivated.

[@gweria]

Honestly as a tech fan, I gotta say, the knee jerk reaction to not want these is incredibly valid. You don't need to introduce additional ways for guns to fail. It would absolutely fail when you needed it the most, that's just how it is.

[@abnerdoon4902]

I just hate it when people shove tech stuff and internet connectivity into things that do not need them.

[@geodkyt]

I want my smartphone biometrics to be as reliable as an AK; I don't want an AK that is as reliable as a smartphone.

[@ftdefiance1]

@@geodkyt absolutely true. Although not RDF technology I have seen finger print reading technology fail across manufacturers and devices.

[@EdwardJoshu4]

Indeed, just looking at how Ian setting the gun for ready to shoot are quite troublesome. Imagine if that hi-tech guns are adopted as standard issue I just need to bring a Knive and a bit of martial arts knowledge to rob someone in New Jersey.

[@reedkellner6447]

I am sure there will come a point when the technology is so reliable that it will seem foolish to not have something like this. I'm sure technologies like traction control and antilock brakes were all viewed in similar ways when they first arose, and now omitting them would just seem like leaving off an integral piece of having a thoroughly useful and drivable car.

[@melanzystaa]

@Forgotten Weapons The "push-grip-to-stay-authenticated" feature is for the TrueWarriors -> Those who did not let go the gun even after losing the arm with the watch.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Nice. Yesterday you discussed the history and the functioning of the Armatix iP1 "smart gun", and today you bring it out there in Backup Gun match. Thank you for your work

[@LVPittinsberg]

From a technology perspective, that authentication quirk goes both ways. Authenticating on activating the grip safety only means if you try to start shooting while out of range from the watch, then move closer you have to remember to loosen your grip and try again. To me that sounds like a mess when you need to shoot. It would also be interesting to test and see hoe this interacts with the mag safety. Ian says you would be fine with a rubber band even without the watch, but maybe that's only until you need to reload.

[@otm646]

Those solution here is to have a pair of transmitters, one goes on either wrist. The other one doesn't need to have the user interface like the watch it just needs to be active.

[@wilomica]

The court decision was correct. You just proved it is not a real smart weapon. When you fired with someone 2m away holding the watch that's an issue. Great video.

[@kolega4ever]

Frankly speaking it's not an issue. It occurs when you authenticate the gun while holding grip safety and go away from the watch while still holding it, but if you release grip safety the gun will get locked. I'm pretty sure Armatix guys knew about it and didn't care, cuz it's a "bug" not worth fixing since you need to act deliberately with an intention to reproduce it to make it work. There's no way for such scenario to happen "in the wild"

[@IncredibleMD]

The surprising thing about the court decision was that it was correct. Everyone expected them to decide this fit the description because the point of the law was a blatant attempt to ban as many handguns as possible. If they had ruled it did meet the qualifications, 30 months after the iP1 went on sale, it'd be the only handgun you could sell in New Jersey. What does it matter to them that an unauthorized user could fire the gun just by stealing the authenticator?

[@alexsis1778]

@@IncredibleMD Sure it would be a huge hassle, but with that kind of logic... Well i'm sure a lot of guns would suddenly grow some sort of dumb easily bypassed "smart security" on the side of existing firearm designs. Because 30 months isn't nearly enough time to design something from scratch even assuming New Jersey itself was a big enough market for anyone to bother.

[@IncredibleMD]

@@alexsis1778 30 months is barely enough time to get a new pistol out to market at all, let alone a new pistol with some cludged on smartgun system that they probably had to design themselves because Armatix patented theirs.

[@blackop3765]

@@IncredibleMD You'd just get robbed by someone who doesn't need an authenticator in New Jersey lmfao

[@KowOneOhTwo]

I wonder if the very heavy DA pull was an intentional "safety" feature.

[@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210]

It may be. I'm from Europe, and I came a few times across this philosophy to make guns or airguns child-safe (here loading was the case for spring guns). In one case there was a really interesting CS-gas gun (quasi cop357) with such a hard trigger, that nobody was able to use it, and the thing just vanished after a few months on the market.

[@DaDudeb]

It most certainly is. I don't remember how hard the triggerpull on the Bundeswehr Pistol P8 was, but i am always surprised when i hear that a toddler could pull a trigger. And i am even more surprised that people leave firearms laying around with a bullet in the chamber and the safety off.

[@IncredibleMD]

Well, it has just about every other form of safety you can stick on a gun...

[@darkfrost5013]

In Brazil, even 1911's have a heavy trigger. Since ammo ownership is limited, they assume that no one has very effective trigger control.

[@scottdpugnificent]

@@darkfrost5013 that explains why Taurus uses a 14lb trigger return springs on the 856 and 605

[@KnifeyKnifeyBrothers]

Darn, was hoping for some guest shooting segments where Ian is baffled at their inability to shoot the gun, then takes it back and pops off a few rounds. “See? It works, try again.”

[@VikingTeddy]

"it's 2222222, I've got an answering machine that can talk to you"

[@goncalo33]

1:02 Imagine having to do this right after noticing a thief. Bonus points for every loud beep.

[@jakegarrett8109]

Yep, and they'd say "why didn't you flee?", pretty sure most states that want this have a "duty to retreat", so by doing that long drawn out process you're saying you somehow couldn't have ran away and called the cops, but instead tried to be a "vigilante" and take justice into your own hands. Not that calling the cops would actually help anything, but dialing 3 digits and explaining to an operator the situation and them relaying this to people dispatching might actually be faster (and Mr Glock only requires 1 digit press, and he's there ready to rock and roll!)

[@J.DeLaPoer]

@@jakegarrett8109 Absolutely, although I'd be more concerned about the State directly exploiting/abusing more advanced (future) systems -- as when unfortunate owners of "smart" power meters recently had their electricity shut off by the government due to "emergency". Only the most naive and deluded think the government wouldn't go about screwing with or outright disabling people's guns if they had the ability. And while it might start with their just doing it to the so called "white supremacists", "MAGA republicans" and other -ist -phobe boogeymen, it certainly wouldn't stop there: Considering those people are half the country and are really just normal white folks who don't believe in woke garbage, according to the current Biden regime. Between the hassle of batteries, potential for failure, and the all-but-guaranteed government abuse against political enemies (not to mention random criminal hackers and the million other negatives that'd come into play the more advanced the tech got), it beggars belief that anyone would accept all that for the little added safety these systems would offer. IMO one of the greatest strengths of contemporary firearms is that they're purely mechanical, unlike everything else these days that must all be crammed with electronics and internet-enabled. Current guns cannot be disabled, exploited or manipulated remotely. There's no batteries or software bugs to worry about. And with minimum maintenance they will function for generations regardless of weather, temperature, access to electricity, or the wishes of whoever happens to be in the White House. Or in Brussels, for that matter. If this "smart gun" tech ever really takes off, no good will come of it and I think we'd very quickly regret their existence...

[@UXB1000]

It probably still works better than a ZiP 22. Well done Ian.

[@LD-Orbs]

It actually does!

[@leifvejby8023]

About the red / green controversy - in Europe green means that the machine is ready to operate, red means machine is inoperative, and the gun being European, it makes sense.

[@shepardpolska]

Yeah I thought it was obvious and intuitive, since the light basicly tells you if you are authorised to shoot or not

[@rollastudent]

On many firearms, the fire position for the safety selector shows red, I think that’s why he said that.

[@geodkyt]

It makes sense if you are thinking "machine tools". But the worldwide *universal* default for *guns* is "Red means dangerous", i.e., "red means can go bang".

[@shepardpolska]

@@geodkyt but it isn't a safety indicator. It is a light that tells you if the user is authorised or not to use the gun.

[@peepopalaber]

thats worldwide the case ... with firearms its a different story. here in germany a red indicator on a firearm means that the weapon is hot (on a safety switch, a loading indicator, a exposed firing pin whatever). the whole led signal bar on this pistol is idiotic. a mechanical indicator like for example the Ruger SR9 has when its loaded, would make more sense, especially when we have a electro-mechanical disconnect of the firing pin like in this gun.

[@antman6707]

Totally practical, if I'm on duty and a guy suddenly decides to try to end my life so he can stay out of jail for another few hours, I'll politely ask for a timeout so I can turn it on and enter the PIN, I'm sure he'll understand

[@sgas]

5:05 the gun may have a timer on the authentication even if you hold the grip safety

[@markstolte2733]

Or by removing the magazine.

[@ritterkeks]

we know from the handbook in the last video that the gun definitely has a clock, as one has to sync the clocks between the watch and the gun as part of the initial setup, I cannot think of any other reason than this for the gun to have a synced clock inside!

[@sbreheny]

@@ritterkeks There are other reasons - the authentication is probably not a fixed message but one which depends on the time. This prevents someone from listening-in (with a radio receiver) and just replaying the same message to get the gun authenticated.

[@nutbastard]

@@sbreheny At the same time, if these went through like New Jersey wanted them to, you can be sure that criminals would be walking around with active jammers on whatever frequency the gun operates on. "The ultra high frequency range includes frequencies from 300 to 1000 MHz, but only two frequency ranges, 433 MHz and 860-960 MHz, are used for RFID applications. The 433 MHz frequency is used for active tags, while the 860-960 MHz range is used mostly for passive tags and some semi-passive tags." That would be trivial to build, and fairly lucrative on the black market.

[@WooferPressure]

@@nutbastard Criminals don’t need to follow NJ law. They would have normal guns while only law-abiding citizens are handicapped with the smart guns.

[@Noeland]

That was fantastic Ian. Excellent idea to use this in a bug match.

[@gascheck8151]

Thanks for this video. I always wondered what became of this firearm that was going to change the world. Now I know.

[@RamadaArtist]

Gun Jesus, singlehandedly un-Cyberpunking the cyberpunk gun.

[@joelongjr.5114]

Interesting weapon. At least it did not require unique or unobtainable ammo, like the Dardick tround.

[@scttshwldct]

I always feel really bad for the people you beat in these back-up gun match videos.

[@johncox2865]

He beats people? 🤣

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

@@johncox2865 He placed 9th out of 12. I always hope the people he beat had really bad malfunctions or something.

[@realityhitsmehardbro]

I normally don't lose it laughing during a FW video, but watching Ian furiously fiddle with a wristwatch after the RSO said "Go" was hilarious. :)

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'm amazed that the rest of the squad Ian was with didn't start laughing!

[@kbjerke]

Glad they never "took off!" Thanks, Ian!

[@georgewashington7312]

Same

[@macharim]

Why? This is an excellent idea that would solve a lot of problems, the biggest one being gun thefts. Breaking into somebodys car and stealing a gun is a lot less useful if you need the watch too. Safety at home is another issue. I do agree that the New Jersey law was ill-advised though. Make it a choice a safe gun owner makes.

[@HuginMunin]

I mean, this was never intended to be a practical product for recreational shooting or defensive use. It was just a technology demonstrator for early adopters to play with. The "smartgun" as a concept is a very useful idea.

[@high633]

@@macharim except you can literally bypass the lock with a magnet for a on the fly bypass(there's a old video about it somewhere). If you want a more hands free bypass after you've stolen it and made off with it. Bypass the rfid chip in the grip and let the grip safety act as the on off switch for the magnet in the gun(which is does to a extent now just which a check step). Or just remove the firing pin block. Or glue it in the position of disengaged.

[@WeencieRants]

@@high633 I think it was a wired video. Or maybe vice.

[@bghiggy]

"oh no someone is breaking in, honey get my watch so I can spend 10 seconds arming the gun before I can pick it up and use it. Hope the batteries are charged!"

[@marioacevedo5077]

Keep in mind that the original retail price for the Armatix and watch was over $2K. Not much of a bargain.

[@ADRay1999]

Exactly you could buy 100 hi-points for that price (not exact but still)

[@johnjohnmcclane1818]

@@ADRay1999 $20 Hi Points?

[@TheArmedHermit]

@@johnjohnmcclane1818 math is hard.

[@johnswoboda9809]

Gotta love Ian's often understated skill and deftness with finicky arms... "Well, let's see how it does, success you can't adjust the sights"... Proceeds to do way better than any of us would with essentially a proof of concept, not even a prototype. Fine shooting, sir.

[@Spurdospaerde692]

Finicky arms? I think mocking Ian's left-handedness is uncalled for.

[@johnswoboda9809]

@@Spurdospaerde692 lol

[@sijonda]

Thinking about this, best case one of two things will happen. You get it and authenticate for however long you intend to be away from home before you leave and carry it authenticated so you only need to draw and shoot in defense. Or, you walk around and expect the criminal to wait for you to authenticate. The argument I immediately think of is, authenticating before you leave home is literally the same as storing it unloaded and locked up. Then getting it out and loading it when you head out for the day. A kid finding it unloaded is the same as finding this thing unauthenticated and loaded... Well kinda, I actually think that would be worse. A kid Finding a gun without ammo would be preferable. On the topic of the 2nd amendment. All a corrupt government or even a criminal needs to do is jam the signal. Could even do a city wide blackout. Police already do this to cell phones.

[@marcuspettersson2101]

A more valid criticism of the way this product as I see it, is in the way it stays green even when removed from the clock as long as the grip is pressed. Consider the scenario Ian told yesterday about a LEO wrestling with someone, or someone manages to steal the gun; as long as that grip is pressed before leaving the vicinity of the clock the gun will still fire.

[@sijonda]

@@marcuspettersson2101 I agree, but I wasn't going to rehash an issue he already talked about.

[@BobPapadopoulos]

It's a stupid system. You'd be better off picking a compact gun with a magazine safety, loading it with one in the pipe, then keeping the loaded mag on you as a key. Someone finds it? Won't fire. Throw your mag in and it's "authenticated" in a split second.

[@sijonda]

@@BobPapadopoulos I agree it's a stupid system. It's why I keep all my firearms loaded and stored across my house.

[@nerd1000ify]

A daily authentication system could act as a deterrent to theft at least. E.g. you put in a PIN and the gun works for 24 hours. Somebody steals it, the black market value is 0 after those 24 hours have passed. Of course, for this to work you'd need a way of blocking firing that couldn't easily be bypassed. And it would not stop crims from stealing a gun to use immediately for some other crime, which they probably do fairly often already.

[@coltpiecemaker]

You see, Ian, you need to upgrade to a gold subscription to prevent malfunctions.

[@kj3n569]

Mugger: "Give me your watch!" Uh, sure. Just give me a second...

[@theparalexview785]

That thing is deadly. Because I think we all died a little inside watching Ian's valiant struggle.

[@kaimightbeadragon8532]

Watched this days ago on Utreon! Great video, really shows how a "smart gun" is different from a gun with some controlled access.

[@smonchie]

Was really hoping to see this in a BUG match after yesterdays video. Fascinating stuff, as always!

[@W1ckedRcL]

Nifty, but my god would this be an absolute nightmare for any real world self defense situation. Edit: yes, no shit, THIS gun isn't a full production model or in a reasonable defensive caliber. If this CONCEPT had gone into full production for widespread manufacture and use it would be terrible for defensive use either by law enforcement, military, or civilians.

[@brennab2697]

Good thing it’s just a cheap 22LR demonstrative gun , and not a real world service pistol which they weren’t going for in the first place

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@brennab2697 oh, the plan was to make a service pistol _eventually._ This was to prove the electronics under recoil and carry use.

[@ScottKenny1978]

The only way this would work in a carry scenario is to set it with the longest possible active time and then set an alarm on the watch to re-activate it.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

@@brennab2697 If that's sarcasm, it's under my radar. It was an _expensive_ proof of concept for a system that _was_ intended to be applied to service pistols.

[@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074]

It’s a gun an anti firearm type would design. I guess their logic: make the experience frustrating enough so that no one will enjoy shooting.

[@Coffreek]

At some point, people who worked at the range had to have started asking Ian to do a "show and tell" when he showed up.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'm fairly sure that took less than a year after Ian started Forgotten Weapons. Ian shows up at a match. RO/Crowd: "Hey, Ian, what weirdness did you bring this time, and where'd you get ammo for it?!?"

[@hansjurgen]

There's a certain thing about watching Ian move his watch on his arm like hands on clock testing this.

[@adamcavanaugh4940]

You need to have lockpickinglawyer as a guest to play with that thing.

[@jeramyw]

I like my tools "dumb" instead of "smart" because that means they're stupid reliable

[@WeyounLP]

thing is, nobody is gonna go into your shed and turn your tools against you. I think for police especially some sort of electronic safety isnt a bad idea at all.

[@stefanhoppe9280]

Said no German ever. 😉

[@chadparsons9954]

A smart prefix just means it spies on you.

[@hokorikera]

@@WeyounLP Have you seen the statistics for murders with an Bludgeoning Object? They're much higher than murder rates with a Firearm.

[@geodkyt]

@@WeyounLP There is a very good reason why *every* proposed "smart gun" requirement specifically *exempts* police weapons.

[@wildweasel3001]

The watch isn't too important, we could do the smart bit very easily today. With a watch, phone sync or fingerprint. More important thing is the mechanical integration to the gun and market acceptance

[@Spurdospaerde692]

I was thinking RFID chip implant under the skin of the legit owner's hand.

[@theraven6836]

Just realized something. People tend to wear their watches on the wrist of their non-dominant hand both inorder to protect the watch as well as for comfort and unimpeded motion, especially when writing. This system would require the opposite: that users wear the watch on the wrist of their dominant hand. That might pose a problem for many.

[@themaniomarian]

No, it doesn't, unless those people also tend to shoot like robocop - one handed with the non-dominant hand up in the air. Because when normal people shoot a handgun, they hold it with both hands.

[@geodkyt]

@@themaniomarian If your defensive gun MUST be fired two handed, that's a problem. In the Real World, there arenmany very common situations where you simply don't have one hand free in the middle.of a self defense situation. Which is why we practice with both hands, weak hand only, and strong hand only. (It's generally accepted that if you can use a two hand grip for a shot, you'll likely.be shooting strong handed...☆) ☆ Although I do practice two handed weak hand shooting with one gun that I only carry weak side pocket carry, because I might reasonably need to use it while I can get a two handed grip, but might not have time to swap hands for a proper strong side two handed grip. I don't advocate the need for that for everyone - in my case it's due to a pretty niche use case that is far more likely.to come up for me, due to my carry method with that gun. Much as practicing reloaded a revolver with Speed Strips only makes sense if you actually carry a revolver and Speed Strips.

[@themaniomarian]

@@geodkyt Then wear the watch on your main hand. Or just forget about the watch, that was just a proof of concept prototype, there is a countless ammount of possibilities for "ID-locked guns". Finger print readers on both grip and trigger and such. There is not a single reason to argue about this specific gun when talking about that kind of weapons in general. That was tech from like almost 10 years ago.

[@nutbastard]

@@themaniomarian Fingerprint readers are notoriously unreliable. Dirt, moisture, a recent injury, a skin condition, there's no end to what can muck up fingerprint readers. A lot of that can be attenuated by high level optical processing augmented by AI in a desktop setting, but expecting that level of power onboard a pistol is not feasible at this stage. Call me when we have Casimir effect powered nano-diamond rod logic. Because it's going to take what is currently science fiction to make these concepts at all viable. I will say, though, that it's a testament to our progress that saying "This tech is 10 years old" is an insult.

[@theraven6836]

@@themaniomarian "Normal people"? Guns aren't for controlled, target shooting environments alone, they're for defense. In many circumstances a person drawing a weapon may not be able to deploy both hands. I've seen many videos where someone used a gun in self-defense when their non-dominant hand was used for something else, such as holding back a child. I also saw one particular video on Active Self Defense where the shooter was being dragged by his left arm and used his right hand to draw and kill his assailant. In these situations, the watch would have been 3ish feet from the weapon. So, interesting gimmick but would never work in real life situations.

[@DannyTheHam]

"Wait, don't shoot me yet, I have to enter the pin code."

[@Siskiyous6]

Failure to fire in a 22 Rimfire is almost always the ammo, I do not understand why double striking pins are not a standard thing for Rimfire guns by now. It really is not a technically difficult feature to implement.

[@SuperAsdf21]

FWIW I have had just 1 (one) Failure to fire in 3000 .22LR rounds!

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian 🐺

[@maxcactus7]

Mad respect to Ian for filming in the 170 degree Arizona heat! Looks positively miserable. ☹️

[@linkh200]

Tucson has actually had stellar weather these days!

[@linkh200]

@@jameskelly7782 there have been monsoons so it's actually been humid some days

[@USSEnterpriseA1701]

Both the testing before hand and the hiccups in the match demonstrate perfectly why I thought this thing was a bad idea when I first heard about it back when it almost came out. The New Jersey law was more of a secondary concern in my mind considering I live quite far away from New Jersey. The non-waterproofed nature of it is just icing on the cake. Any gadget like that would have to extremely well tested and developed before I'd be willing to bet my life on it, which is highly unlikely to happen given how many of us are so opposed to the concept and the ways it would be abused for political ends.

[@alexm566]

bad laws always propagate everywhere. e.g look at the 10 round magazine ban, it's now in many states not just California.

[@ADRay1999]

Manual for the Armatix: chapter one: adjust component A to Component B and then….. Manual for a normal gun: 1, insert loaded magazine into pistol 2, rack the pistol’s slide 3, pull the trigger

[@Vaasref]

Yeah, because safeties are not a thing.

[@studentdrake]

@@Vaasref glocks are

[@zwenkwiel816]

Middle of a gunfight "Hold on, I need to put more minutes on my gun"

[@kirkmorrison6131]

I wouldn't want to have to grab it at night with an intruder in the house

[@nutbastard]

*Intruder smashes window* I wake up and yell, "Just a minute!" I hear "Gotta do the watch sync?" "Yeah." "Ok I'll hang out for a bit. You got anything to drink?" "There's orange juice in the fridge!" "I just brushed my teeth, you got anything else?" "There's milk too! Some beers in the garage!" "What kind of beer?" "Mostly Budweiser, but there should be a couple of IPA's!" 10 minutes pass. I hear: "Look man I'm really not feeling this. Did you get the watch figured out?" "No, I'm doing a software update." "Well I'm actually kind of busy so I'm just going to go since it doesn't seem like this is going to happen". "No no, just hold on for like one minute, it should be good by then." I hear an exasperated sigh from down the stairs. I'm going to stop there but it would make a reasonably absurd comedy sketch.

[@DerLoladin]

Don't worry, the intruder may take pity in thinking you're an extreme dumbass for buying a proof of concept 22lr as a home defense weapon.

[@lycossurfer8851]

"Hey buddy, you can't break into my house now because I'm downloading the updated software for my gun"

[@Goatcha_M]

Little unfair you had to authenticate the connection in stage 1. If anyone was actually using it as a backup gun, or police/security sidearm or whatever; presumably they would set it up before holstering it and leaving base.

[@alangordon3283]

That highlights the absurdity of such a device .

[@christophernemeth421]

​@@alangordon3283 I agree.

[@walterriblethegreat]

The stage started with the firearm on a table, in a container. This was to simulate a need to use the firearm from an un-ready state . If the gun starts in a holster, it should be paired, but if it starts from the case, you should treat it as though it has been stored.

[@TheArchaos]

@@alangordon3283 If you can't be bothered to correctly use a piece of technology, you don't deserve to have it. Hand over your computer and your smart phone.

[@minigpracing3068]

This is going to be a failure to fire under life threatening circumstances.

[@oasntet]

I wonder if there's a timeout on the gun-to-watch authentication that seems to last until you let up on the grip safety; the pistol appears to have a clock that synchs with the watch (presumably for TOTP-style key exchange) which means it'd be trivial to time out that auth after 30 seconds or a minute or whenever you change magazines, even with the grip held that whole time.

[@DreadNought0255]

A system that works surprisingly well, considering it's a glorified tech demo. Basically I'd lump it in the same category as the Gaus weapons from Arcflash. They are by no means practical weapons for carry and use, but they work and have set out to do the first basics of what was their purpose. Every single piece of technology out there has teething issues and growing pains. The successful ones were allowed to go through them and be fixed. Some were unfixable and died out. The problem with this concept is not the mechanics but mostly user perception. "They will turn off my gun!" and all that. Not discrediting this argument. In certain contexts it is valid. You also can't account for every "what if" scenario. My take is that such features are there to delay or hinder the use of the weapon by unauthorized individuals. Basically it's the same fundamental principle behind locks and doors. They are not there to completely prevent entry by unauthorized people, but slow and annoy them so that they give up. You could put your stuff behind a bunker door with twenty best locks and armed guards burried under a mountain. But if someone wants your stuff enough, they WILL get in. It's just every single added layer of security is there to hinder people enough to hopefully discourage them to not even try. So this feature would work for situations where the unauthorized user is mostly someone who's mentallity is "Ooh, cool! Lets see what this does!" And going up in relation to the intent of the would-be user to actually only allowing one speciffic person to use the tool. A safely kept firearm is not an easily accessible firearm. And reverse is equally true. It should just be up to the owner of said firearm to decide what methods of safety, storage and use is best for them. I believe that we will be seeing some technologies becoming mandated for the purpose of only allowing authorized people use the firearm. There is not going to be a single one system and there will always be gives and takes between them. Personally I see the technology being more about recording the use of the weapon then actually blocking use because that can most reliably only be achieved on electrically operated firearms. I see it being used largely by law enforcement where not only would it hinder unauthorized use but also record the time and GPS location of where a shot was taken but maybe even the direction and snapshot of where the gun was pointed.

[@Kortlandt]

I actually agree. I mostly want a weapon like this so others would have a harder time to access it, in case it was stolen and/or a child got a hold of it. I honestly think that smart weapons are a good investment. It’s just conspiracy theorist making up ridiculous “what if’s” swaying the illogical people away from “what can.” Plus with the tracking mechanism it can help track crime. Also just though of something, if we did have smart weapons, do you think that they can put like specific signal jammers in specific buildings like stores, schools, churches to make them more inoperable once on a certain premises?

[@J.DeLaPoer]

It's all well and good until the government decides there's an "emergency" and shuts your gun off -- precedent already established and played out with the unfortunate owners of smart power meters having their electricity shut off by the state. More likely however that whatever leftist regime holds the White House will start turning off the arms of "insurrectionists", "racists" and whatever other -ist -phobe boogeymen (eg; ~ half the country) they're currently going after. As the tech matures and they're able to do other things you mentioned like GPS tracking, filming, etc there would be immense potential for hacking and manipulation of that data from the government or just any random criminal/malicious actor. Imagine nonsense like red flag laws where they don't even need to confiscate your guns, but can disable them remotely with a switch. Or imagine how easy it'd be for a hacker to manipulate data of advanced systems to frame you for a murder or other crime? As just a couple potential abuses amid many such likelihoods... That's not even considering how Big Tech and the major data brokers would find ways to exploit such personal data for profit. Now you add the need for batteries in order for your gun to function, plus just the general added expense and complexity of electronics. Even in a grossly naive fairy land where the government et al wouldn't dream of abusing/exploiting the technology against political enemies, why would you ever want that hassle and added potential for failure? Short-circuits, water ingress, dead batteries, terminal corrosion, loose connections, software or firmware bugs, or even the ultimate worst case/unlikely scenario of an EMP would all render your gun a useless brick. *It beggars belief that anyone would accept the potential problems, hassle and guaranteed State abuse for the relatively tiny increase in potential safety.* IMO one of the absolute greatest strengths guns have is that they _aren't_ electronically based like every damn thing else these days. As long as they're even half-assedly maintained they'll always go bang when the trigger is pulled, and they cannot be hacked, exploited or otherwise manipulated by any outside actor. All the cool possibilities of electronic arms sounds great in a perfect world, but in actual reality sacrificing the purely mechanical nature of our weapons would be the very pinnacle of shortsighted foolishness. I'd bet my life that should such "smart guns" ever penetrated the market, no good would come of it.

[@DreadNought0255]

@@Kortlandt Depending on how the firecontrol mechanism works. Also largely by design firearms are relatively simple machines in concept. So making or modifying a firearm that bypasses these locks and tracking would be relatively simple for someone willing to put some work in and two brain cells to rub together. Again the lock analogy. This system would only be effective in situations where any meaningful effort to bypass can't or won't be applied.

[@solwindp78-1]

@@Kortlandt It's amusing to me that you complain of conspiracy theorists 'making up ridiculous “what if’s”' and then you go on to immediately validate them in the very next paragraph. In the US there are many businesses that put out token 'no guns allowed' signs at the point of entry, but they have no way of knowing if you have a concealed firearm and absolutely no way of enforcing this if someone actually wanted to break the law and bring a firearm inside to hurt people - no security interchange, metal detectors, no armed guards, etc - so the 'rules' would only apply to people who were law abiding in the first place. This is just security theater that is meant to satisfy liability and make people feel more safe without any real monetary investment. A perfect recent example of this is when Elisjsha Dicken stopped a mass shooting at a mall in Indiana. The Greenwood mall, like many others, had an explicit no weapons policy that was signposted at the front door. The mass shooter still brought in his rifle and started firing at random people. Mr Dicken himself was also ignoring the no weapons policy and as a result drew his concealed firearm and killed the mass shooter. He was legally able to concealed carry the pistol outside the mall, but inside if the mall security had found out he would've been considered trespassing. What did the mall ownership do after the shooting - press charges against him for criminal trespassing? Nope. They thanked Mr Dicken for saving lives and didn't mention the 'breaking the rules' part. If he had listened to them, things would've gone very differently. If, however, smart guns became commonplace, and systems existed like you suggested using signal jammers to prevent smart guns from working in certain locations, Mr Dicken would've likely been disarmed. People who go through the trouble of getting concealed carry permits and abiding by laws could be forced by many jurisdictions to carry smart guns, and the New Jersey law is a perfect example. Keep in mind, we have laws about smart gun usage when not a single real commercial smart gun exists - its only going to get worse when they do hit the market. However, there would still be literally hundreds of millions of non-smart guns floating around in the US, as well as 3d-printed or other types of home-manufactured firearms, and someone willing to break the law and do harm would have a great advantage in these smart-gun-disabled locations. This is to say nothing of people using exploits to avoid smart gun features or disable them altogether. Turning on a smart gun disabler without adding any additional security is exactly what a liability focused business would do to add some 'security theater'. Additionally, in the US there are many pieces of legislation that are meant to restrict firearms in certain locations and circumstances with questionable utility, because often people see an elected official banning guns in some random location and think that politician has done something and made them 'safer'. For example, I know of a county that recently banned concealed carry of firearms on their public trails. There wasn't exactly a trend of violence from concealed carry holders on these trails, and there is no way of preventing someone from carrying a gun there because its literally a parking lot and a walking path anyone can access, but they're banned now! Many politicians who can't ban firearms outright due to a lack of political capital are content to chip away at firearms rights in small ways. Couple that with corporations or businesses who have your mentality that would happily install such a system and you can easily see such devices being mandated and used in many places. This is a fairly logical next step for trends we already see in our world today, so I'm not sure why you would need to be a conspiracy theorist to think about this. By the way, there was already a much better and simpler system that would fulfill the function of making the gun more difficult to use when stolen or for a child that required no batteries, magnets, or RFID watches. This was the S&W revolver internal lock which was exactly what it sounds like - you insert and turn a key in the side of the gun, gun doesn't work. It was never popular due to the same reasons this wasn't. You pick up the gun, you want it to work. Adding more steps creates more opportunities to make mistakes and forget to unlock your gun, authorize your watch, etc, which under critical stress is easy to do.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

In a theoretical worst case self defense scenario, in the weapon of choice hierarchy, this gun will be backup to my wet, rolled up newspaper

[@paulbarthol8372]

As safe as self driving semi-truck. It works most of the time.

[@daveturner5305]

Hand to hand combat would suggest that an assailant is likely to be close enough to activate the pistol should it be appropriated, thus negating much of the supposed protection.

[@RookieL021]

It's 22 LR, so I'd guess the reliability isn't something we should have high expectation.

[@robertlinke2666]

the 9mm version would have been better in that regard no doubt, but by that time the whole idea was already dead

[@das_sound_machine]

Performs quite well for a smart gun, definitely would own one of these things

[@bubbajenkins123]

Reliability is king when it comes to devices designed to save your life. This weapon has too many additional failure mechanisms. Not a wise purchase

[@gordoncouger9648]

I prefer fixed blade knives over folding knives that are already broken when you buy them. If I carry a backup gun it is a revolver that does't have a magazine to give trouble.

[@plasmahead2]

Including the start up was very relevant to how the thing would be used in a real life scenario.

[@mariorossi9300]

I got a friend in New Jersey that, maybe a decade ago, directly opposed to the release of this gun, lawmakers wanted to use this as a reason to ban all normal (non smart) firearms!

[@victorbressler7156]

yea the law is unconstitutional

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

From a UK point of view this seems to be typically American - driven by the best of intentions but without the slightest forethought.

[@christophernemeth421]

if these "smart gun" systems were so wonderful politicians would not have exempted law enforcement firearms from the kaw

[@alexm566]

For extra confusion, try a Taser next time. It has both an LED and a manual safety. To fire, the LED needs to be green and the manual safety red 😁

[@Israel_hans]

As a Brit non gun shooter the light system makes sense to me,It's like traffic lights go on green stop on red.

[@totallynottheatfwinter4491]

That brings up a good point between hardware users of guns and computer users

[@cheesebuger13]

The traffic light is the same in the US. However, in the gun world red means fire while another color or no color means safe.

[@IncredibleMD]

Who cares what a non-shooter thinks about a SHOOTING MECHANIC on a GUN? You're not the intended market.

[@totallynottheatfwinter4491]

@cas curse bro i meant 90% percent Of guns with safety’s have red to fire. white, blue or green for safe. Everything from my Xbox, to the electric panel on my truck red is bad. When you use a gun like it’s supposed to. You directly don’t care about the safety of what your shooting at

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

@cas curse Exactly, you have to get your head around as a new gun user that "danger" is what you want in a firearm to function. Usually red means "stop" "don't touch" "danger". But in a gun, it means "danger - ready to use!"

[@cadams1607]

Love the stock Casio beep

[@rexmcstiller4675]

When you can´t switch your gun to fire because you accidentel switch the menu language to chinese.

[@LucioFercho]

Reloado... Reloado... Reloado...

[@АндрейШмырев-х3з]

Ведущий видео не перестает удивлять.А ,враги, будут ждать пока он кнопки на ,,будильнике,, нажмет...

[@wolflegion_]

If it weren’t for the stupid law in NJ, this IMO would’ve been a cool concept to keep developing on. Not for everyone, but certainly there are applications for something like this. I think it’s good to remember that this what practically a concept prototype released to market.

[@TheArchaos]

Considering this gun and the mechanism is what- a decade old by now, I wouldn't be surprised if a much more refined, reliable and more effective method could be implemented. Its a technology demonstrator, I don't see people acting so hostile towards smart phones?

[@magoshighlands4074]

A lot of people in these comments are talking about how they're thankful this didn't take off and how it would fail on you at the worst time, but that's the dsam with most early versions of things, most early LMGs would run if they got muddy or dirty, and yet nowadays it's not nearly a problem, I'm glad someone else gets it

[@magoshighlands4074]

@@IkesThePyro They wouldn't need to be, this thing was effectively a tech-demo, a proof of concept and proof that people would buy a proper version of it

[@DerLoladin]

The one remotely intelligent take in this cesspit of a comment section. It would have been entirely fine to just sells this as a high tech toy and I'm sure there would have been a bunch of people paying for it solely because its 'quirky', which is a perfectly viable reason for it to exist in the state seen here. Not that I trust Armatix as a company, but it would have been interesting to see how other companies may have iterated on this type of idea.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

@@TheArchaos Smart phones are fine because they can do a lot of cool things in a small package - but I would never want to do any critical work on a smart phone or some other kind of "smart" doo-dads. Especially not when they have to connect via bluetooth or other wireless methods. I mean, my smartphone usually connects to my car very reliably. Just when I am really late and really need to take off quickly, it decides to not connect and I need to type in my password and do the authentication process again. You can count on it.

[@GordonFreeman.]

Range commands: -Make ready. -Are you ready? Standby. -If finished, unload and show clear. -If clear, hammer down, holster.

[@JanFWeh]

Not setting up the shooting time before the first stage was petty, Ian.

[@TheArchaos]

Yeah, that's pretty low :/

[@steveh1792]

It was precondition for the stage: Out of the case, unloaded, etc.

[@JanFWeh]

@@steveh1792 Still could have authenticated it in advance.

[@reloader7sixtwo]

One weapon I'm glad was forgotten about.

[@anon_y_mousse]

Ironically, if it didn't have the "smart" components I think it might make for a really good CC gun. It's pretty smooth all the way around so it wouldn't snag so easily on clothing or your jeans. Has a DA trigger so you could theoretically carry it with one in the chamber and that cross trigger bar safety would be harder to accidentally hit in your pocket but still easy for you to manipulate one handed. Plus the grip safety.

[@geodkyt]

Larger than a plethora of handguns with better triggers, better sights, and better cartridges... Heck, a milsurp P-64 is smaller, very snag free, and has a better trigger (despite me frequently describing it as having a Magilla Gorilla DA trigger - *before* I changed the springs, the DA pull exceeded the 25lbs caoacity.of the *fish scale* i had to use to measure the trigger... after replacing all the springs with a Wolff spring set, the DA pull was still 19lbs). Plus, 9x18mm Makarov (even in milsurp ball) is a far better defensive cartridge than *any* .22LR cartridge, both in reliability and terminal effectiveness. And the sights on the P-64, while miniscule, are precise and every example I have fired has been perfectly regulated. Literally the only thing on this gun that is superior to a milsurp pistol that Communist Poland replaced while Reagan was President, is the mag release (the P-64 uses a heel catch). But Hungary made a similar pistol (a nearly straight PPK clone derived from their straight PP clone) in .380 amd 9x18mm, that used the Walther PP/PPK "American" push button release, and while.not ambi, is easily.activated left handed if needed.

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@geodkyt How small are your hands that that gun is somehow gigantic to you? In a self defense situation you're going to be so close that you don't need good sights. If you're farther away, then train harder. Unless your assailant is heavily drugged up, 5 shots of .22 will still stop them and be less likely to hit anyone behind them. Sure, hollow points, but leftists keep trying to ban those for all kinds of stupid reasons.

[@george2113]

22LR is a practice round, didn't knock over the steel targets. Sights are garbage.

[@corwinhyatt519]

Without the "smart" components it is an over priced Walther knockoff in .22LR.😄

[@noblecommando4269]

Whenever Ian says he has this much shooting time left, it sounds like the gun is his mother telling him how much gun time he is allowed per day like screen time.

[@SavageFoxProductions]

I still wouldn't trust that gun with my life

[@geodkyt]

Which is why, *every single time one of these laws is proposed* , the police demand they be exempted.

[@chaosvolt]

So, I was already thinking that if this gun worked as advertised, its intended market of gun retention would've already been iffy since just having the watch worn on the same wrist as the side it's holstered in would risk allowing someone to fire off a round during a struggle for the gun, but still being able to fire it after handing the watch off to the cameraman indicates that this thing would've become an absolute lawsuit magnet if a 9mm or .40 version had ever taken off as a gun intended to actually be carried. Not unless they took a serious look at the link between watch and gun to make sure it was much better about updating its connection.

[@sgthl]

So all you need to do to turn off everyones "smart gun" is to jam the signal, which any 12 year old can do with a 10 dollar remote from ebay or alibaba. Gee i wonder why it didnt take off commercially? ;) :D

[@carmatic]

getting timed for the security procedure on the gun is basically a comedy sketch

[@benstoyles1297]

2 thoughts: 1 - tech aside the gun just looks cool. 2 - that is some seriously impressive shooting with that stapler trigger and it gaining 1" per foot to the right.

[@fromfin90]

interesting thing. Imagine a range that borrows out guns, but you have to carry a watch that the range keeper puts a timer on. Maybe even with GPS, so if you go outside range area, the gun gets locked out and you cant shoot and officers are informed, or try to steal the gun in other ways it gets locked out.

[@nailes1745]

"how on, mr criminal, I'm signing into my gun"

[@tnmt368]

Hey Ian! I enjoy these newer forgotten weapons. Can you do a video on the Beretta 90-TWO? It was meant to replace the 92fs but it was discontinued after three years. I haven't found much more than that. I would love to know more about one of my favourite discontinued pistol models.

[@ernestcline2868]

If you're planning on using that pistol one-handed, you probably ought to have the watch on the shooting hand. Looking at the video it's clear Armatix thought this would be the next big thing and rushed something to market so they could claim to be first.

[@PastaLaVista.]

No one plans to shoot one handed and if you need to, you won’t have a choice what hand you’re able to use

[@walterriblethegreat]

Ian is left handed. The watch is on his dominant hand and he was demonstrating the problems using it off-hand. Hope this helps clear up the confusion!

[@TheArchaos]

Careful, you're applying common sense and logic.

[@ernestcline2868]

@@TheArchaos Which apparently Armatix didn't. I'm neither pro-smart gun nor anti-smart gun, but despite the electronics, this gun is a dumb design from the user interface aspect alone.

[@TheArchaos]

@@ernestcline2868 I don't see a problem with the interface, it has a manual safety, it has a grip safety, it has a double action trigger and while the .22 is not good enough, the 9mm design would fine for today's use. This gun was not meant for civilian use, it was meant for law enforcement officers I suspect, that means you clock in at the station, set the timer for your shift and then go out to do your job. After all said and done, this was a technology demonstrator, you'd have to condemn all other firearms with teething issues. Could you bypass the safety design with a magnet? Yes but that's also the smoking gun in a court, you were caught with the magnet on hand, a clear intention to disable the officers firearm, a very damning piece of evidence.Congratulations, you've locked yourself in a cell and thrown away the key.

[@timothyparsons9021]

Fw : had an universal brand m1-carbine that had red/green safety switch. Red means No -Green means go.

[@alexdemoya2119]

A modern one would use an app on your phone that no doubt would have government mandated backdoors buried in the ToS. This kinda technology makes me feel like a villager in Frankenstein.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

Imagine a gun that can be remotely deactivated by the Chinese government AND your own government. Because let's be real, all the hardware would come from China and they'd certainly have a backdoor in there, too.

[@followerofchrist6694]

Ah, the gun to ensure the cops arrive before you can defend yourself. I’d call this the dead man’s gun.

[@danperry3116]

I sincerely hope that this technology never comes to fruition. This is just a way to get rid of your personal handguns. Ownership and use would be so onerous and burdensome, not to mention unreliable, that you won't bother to get one.

[@Brigand231]

That was pretty much the intention from the beginning. It's the same thing with getting licenses and permits in some areas, if they make licensing a requirement but turn down every application they've constructively banned something.

[@Leo3ABPgamingTV]

Seeing how the smart safety simply relies on an energised electronic magnet, I think it is possible to bypass it by simple strong magnet taped at the right spot.

[@jamesjanson6129]

A weapon really best forgotten.For so many reasons.

[@SmithFarmandOutdoors]

I can imagine a home invasion scenario and having. To authenticate the gun to defend the home. The whole timer concept is completely nuts. There should never be a programmed delay in place on a self defense item.