The Real Problem With PEDs

[@alexkehoepwj]

Okay you conviced me, I'm taking PEDs now

[@TDCIYB77]

And with LetsGetChecked you can fine tune your cycle to avoid low or high Estrogen side effects. Win Win ;)

[@alexkehoepwj]

@@TDCIYB77 LOL!

[@budisutanto5987]

same effect on me. I wish I took it long ago.

[@shaolinshadowsoldier]

Pretty compelling isn't it..

[@petrairene]

Hell yes. Maybe even non athletes should take a few courses wiht some training. Maybe it even helps reduce muscle reduction on old people, so they suffer less falls and general decline.

[@hard2hurt]

I have laughed and laughed at you saying they had the mice "workout." Imagine being a fitness professional hired by some scientists to run a WOD for mice.

[@ArmchairViolence]

That mouse still wouldn't be the dumbest person I've seen in the gym! I guarantee there are experts in mouse exercise programs. Science is weird sometimes...

[@billyg.personaltraining]

WOD: Get thus Cheddah! Warm up Wheel 60 seconds Food bowl deadlift AMRAP Kibble OHP AMRAP rest 60 seconds 5 rounds First 5 rats get a $5 gift card to Papa John's #LFG!!!

[@MMarbleroller]

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[@theyoungfool.1895]

@@billyg.personaltraining 🐭🏋️🐁 let there be cheddar Chad mice.

[@joebiscuit2243]

Mice Olympics when?

[@SwordTune]

As a biologist and aspiring health worker, I put a lot of emphasis on the importance of science communication to the public. This is great content and there should be more of it.

[@donald4054]

Wow! What an EXCELLENT explanation of the physiological effects of PED’s. As a Medical professional, you did an incredible job!

[@igorvaz2164]

I love when you bring scientific data and show your research for us. And I appreciate the effort, i am a Nursing student and I know this shit you brought to us is not simple to find and understand.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Thank you! I've done more research for this channel than I did for all of college 😂😭

[@igorvaz2164]

@@ArmchairViolence You talk abaut things we don't even know exist in my college. And its one of the best nursing school in the world.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@igorvaz2164 I think that's just an example of people learning information according to their specialty. Nurses don't usually have to know about the performance benefits of steroid use, because it's not a medical problem. It's the opposite of a medical problem! Just like how I don't know anything that nurses need to learn! But it is cool to glimpse into other specialties just to remind yourself that there's still a big world out there that you have yet to learn about.

[@pieguymcduck8600]

We gotta share this guy way more

[@christianc.christian5025]

It’s also hilariously difficult to catch someone who is thoroughly trying to avoid getting caught a second time. The masking agents and methods for getting around testing is usually a step ahead of the tests themselves.

[@christophervelez1561]

It’s actually super easy to avoid getting caught just hide under the boxing ring when the USADA comes knocking.

[@hard2hurt]

There's another solution... just allow it all. Just let everybody do whatever they want. Fill these gladiators to the brim with juice. Give me Overeem and Brock Lesnar each on steroids for 2 years... allow grabbing the fence... give them baseball bats.

[@albertonishiyama1980]

To be fair, I believe a "full steroids allowed" ruleset, where the only medicinal restriction is "make constant exams to be sure that the athlete is health" WOULD be a good idea. Specially since the data aquired would be more or less public (released like a "report for the XX year's results in Y event" for individual anonimity), allowing for spread of the information. The problem is that probably we would need for a new specific set of rules, since that would be a new world of possible injuries, complications and choice of medicaments. So it would be better to start with more chill sports (maybe Tennis or something like that, since it has a little pause every now and then and no direct contact between the players)

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

2 men enter, 1 man leaves !

[@FredKuneDo]

So you want to put other athletes in the grim situation where they have to cheat as well to even the odds? Nice way to ruin the reputation of a sport, lose sponsors and a good amount of public popularity. There is also another problem: Many PEDs are affecting the mental health as well.

[@institches2750]

That might cause more problems with local authorities and getting fight venues booked though. I think there's already some trouble in certain places because the sport's rules are considered too dangerous. If the industry is seen to be encouraging drug use.... Plus, some countries are WAY stricter about possession laws, which could lead to more situations like Brittany Griner with foreign athletes being arrested and charged OR a disparity between fighters of different nationalities. Fighters from more permissive countries can obtain the substances and medical monitoring needed to use them safely, while fighters in more restrictive countries can't.

[@MisterJayEm]

And bring back headbutts!!

[@reidtaylor5019]

Congrats on your first sponsor

[@gentlemandemon]

To a certain extent, I sometimes feel like athletes should have some access to some of these drugs to aid recovery and mitigate long term damage (provided it's administered by a doctor and dosed for optimal health, not competitive advantage), but these long term benefits definitely make the issue even more complicated.

[@hasanmatthew5204]

Let 'em juice. It's amazing to watch the levels of human performance we can get to. Ain't nothin' wrong with a little liquid science. Have a natty league for people who wanna stay natty like they do on bodybuilding. Fights are a lot more interesting when people are at their peak. Give me enhanced barbarians!

[@lastmanstanding5423]

@joecrowrolls sounds good to me

[@susanrodriquez3757]

The other issue is (let’s be honest) most of these professional athletes in combat and contact sports like boxing, mma, football etc. are already on PEDs. If you promote a lifetime ban and were actually honest about wanting to catch them, most of the athletes would be banned for life. Let’s not pretend most of these guys aren’t already on steroids. Secondly why would any sport be actually serious about lifetime bans? Their athletes would be noticeably weaker, less athletic, less agile, less explosive, slower and worse by every metric. The quality of unenhanced athletes would go down dramatically and would directly effect the ratings and profits as consumers watching notice the decline of its product. Drug testing agencies like USADA are simply there to promote plausible deniability that most athletes aren’t on PEDs so that their sport is deemed acceptable by society and the public. If we were being honest we like our athletes enhanced and pushing the limits of their sport to the extreme (we just don’t want to admit the ugly truth and what it takes for these athletes to get there).

[@hasanmatthew5204]

@@susanrodriquez3757 if you ever watched "bigger, faster, stronger" (great film) they talk about this. Specifically with regards to the entertainment value in sports. We're so used to seeing these behemoths best the tar out of each other - there is no way in hell we'd accept them "natty". We've voted for PED use time and time again with our dollars, duckets, and googenschteins. The ratings and the cash flow that juice monsters generate speaks volumes about how much we love PEDs as society.

[@bronsondeliac2625]

This is absolutely fascinating. I always thought that thr gains all go away after use discontinued

[@jomess7879]

Congrats on your sponsor. And I agree. When it comes up PEDs, either we allow everyone to use it, or no one can and there's harsh penalties. A slap on the wrist isn't going to stop anyone.

[@RamseyDewey]

Day of weigh ins would be 1000% more performance enhancing for fighters than all the PED’s.

[@institches2750]

How so? Wouldn't they be tired and dehydrated? Or is that the point, that they would be forced to compete at a more natural weight?

[@institches2750]

@@HessianLikeTheFabric If I knew already, then I wouldn't have asked. Also, the algorithm.

[@institches2750]

@@HessianLikeTheFabric That's what I figured, but I'm a casual fan of MMA at best, so I thought I might be missing something obvious. Guess not.

[@shep2168]

@@institches2750 Idk if you ever got your question answered lmao. But OP said "day of (fight) weigh ins" would be more performance enhancing because it would be natural weight, yes. So you're hydrated, you have glycogen in your muscles, strong fast etc. Much better than forcibly recovering too fast from a long pure water cut which is extremely damaging to the chin, liver, and so on.

[@FirstnameLastname-le9hq]

​@@shep2168He could also be referring to how fighters will go into fights 15-20 pounds heavier than they weigh in, which is a HUGE enhancement to fighting another person who is supposed to be the weight you were at before.

[@niscent_]

one of the possible issues with stricter ped rules is the appearance of a ped meta game in sports. since the punishment is so harsh, if you make it so your rival is caught for ped use, that's really good for you. obviously, in grey areas the punishment won't be as harsh. so now, you are not aiming just to hide your ped usage, but to make it into a grey area in case you get caught. so you end up with a weird meta game where you are incentivized to dose your opponents and make their involuntary ped use pass as voluntary cheating, and to make your voluntary ped cheating pass as getting dosed. that would be much more chaotic and may lead to a harder time for federations to cut through the ambiguity of each cases.

[@TheFightDialogue]

Good stuff. Saying what ive been starting to learn. An unfortunate truth

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

So, in 10-20 years, Jack Hanma might defeat Yujiro ?

[@aronnemcsik]

only if Yujiro stops taking drugs.

[@Rex-golf_player810]

​@@aronnemcsik does yujiro take drugs? I thought he was just supernatural for like no reason lololol

[@wernerfuhry]

Always happy seeing a new video from. So far you've been spot on and hilariously funny! Keep it up man! Greetings from Vienna, Austria.

[@jc-kj8yc]

There's one thing I'd add to the life time ban. A big fat bill of returned winning sums. USADA freezes blood samples for future testings. So for every win they can retrospectively declare a NC because of steroids, make the athlete repay every dollar they made that night. A life time ban prevents them from continuing with an unfair advantage, a fine like that additionally can take away everything they wrongfully earned. If Dillashaw had gotten a life time ban in 2019, he'd still have retired fairly wealthy, so cheating would still have paid off. The risk of a lifetime ban plus taking away most of an athlete's money would make cheating a risk of losing their career, good name and money. Considering how many athletes do this full time and have to rely on the earned money later in life, this could do wonders to prevent cheating.

[@maxanderson3733]

God I hate the fact that this will never be a thing

[@SurmaSampo]

Except this sort of retroactive punishment is almost impossible to do in real life just ending up in very long lawsuits. If they can't do this for actual crimes what make your think this would work for someone being naughty at sports? Almost all of that money is gone just like the money everybody else makes.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@maxanderson3733 If you cheated on a test at school that let you get a degree and a good job should you have to give up all your qualification and be bankrupted by an unpayable debt? Why are people so obsessed with cheating in sports but its a grey area everywhere else?

[@institches2750]

@@SurmaSampo What test in school is the foundation of success in a career? It might be more accurate to say: "If you succeed because of work you plagiarized, should you be fired and have to pay damages to the person you stole from?" Because that is how lawsuits work.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@institches2750 Actuarial tier exams are a good example. What drug guarantees you will win a fight or a race?

[@ethanstover9859]

Brotha I came to hate on cheaters, I left thinking about TRT

[@maxanderson3733]

I love it when you put in the effort to make a well researched videos like this! It’s *always* an educational treat! I can’t put into words how much I agree with the lifetime ban solution! Odds of it ever happening are probably rough but it’s definitely a start to dealing with the steroid problem! Especially with so much hard evidence supporting that side of the argument So I’m genuinely curious! From one nerd to another is there any chance of you ever doing a video on whether or not a fighter having a random genetic mutation like *Myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy* be a blessing or a curse??? If you ever get to read this I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on this!

[@ArmchairViolence]

I've actually already looked this up (because I'm a nerd), and it likely wouldn't help much. While people with that condition have much more muscle mass, the muscle is actually weaker pound-for-pound. I would guess this has something to do with poor muscle recruitment due to their nervous system having never undergone exercise. In a sport that has weight classes, having muscle that is weaker pound-for-pound would likely be a disadvantage. Plus, you have to worry about the cardiovascular requirements to provide all that muscle with oxygen. Overall, I doubt it would help much, and it might actually be a huge hindrance. This is a good question, and I can't believe I actually knew the answer off the top of my head. 😂 What luck!

[@maxanderson3733]

@@ArmchairViolence that is so wild but fascinating. Most entries talking about that condition are always bringing up some sort of greater than average physical strength with no health downsides! Tho I have to admit that stamina demand is easily one of the most obvious downsides. I wasn’t expecting to hear that these muscles will be all week or pound for pound. Where did you discover this this incredibly ironic weakness?

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@maxanderson3733 I did some research into genetically engineered designer babies, and looked at what traits might be desirable. Muscular hypertrophy was an obvious thing to examine, but I determined that, while there really aren't any side effects for the average person, an elite athlete could actually be inconvenienced by it. However, there are some caveats to this. It's likely that they are weaker pound-for-pound because having never earned the muscle by lifting weights means that their nervous system has never been exercised and they have terrible motor unit recruitment. If someone with the condition ALSO religiously lifts weights, I have no idea what would happen. The condition is very rare, and I never saw any case studies of someone with the condition attempting to become a great athlete. Would exercise make their muscles ENORMOUS, or would it just improve their motor unit recruitment? I have no idea. If you can find the answer to these questions, I would certainly be interested in the result!

[@animationdude9]

@@ArmchairViolence so glad I’m not the only one who always wondered how that genetic mutation would play in a athletic context. Fingers crossed someone will have a more comprehensive video on the subject in the future. That and hopefully one day someone with the condition won’t mind helping out with some research because the entire topic sounds like the most interesting and hype sports science study ever. Teaching someone with that condition Martial arts in itself sounds like a blast.

[@tonysizzle8574]

Agree with lifetime bans for juicers. Won’t happen because its a money game, they want the guys back on the cards.

[@MisterJayEm]

I wonder what effect increasing the number of micronuclei(sp?) has on our circulatory system's favorite muscle. (Guess I'll Google it)

[@ArmchairViolence]

If you're thinking of what I think you're thinking of, that's not a muscle. It's a sponge tissue organ. If you're not thinking what I think you're thinking, then this is going to be a really weird comment.

[@verrufen2642]

When fighters fight only once a year, is a year long suspension even a punishment?

[@TDCIYB77]

Upvote for mentioning Trenbelongi sandwhich. More Armchair More Violence! :)

[@robertsmith6068]

my question is what were the mice doing for training? deadlifts? overhead presses ?

[@locky7443]

great video, I have always thought given how hard it is to catch cheaters that the punishments should be very harsh to act as a deterrent, but if they don't even lose the effects of cheating then yeah lifetime ban makes perfect sense.

[@notusingmyname4791]

and do you think the guys who are on suspension just... don't work out during that down time? Sounds like a better punishment would be to force them to fight one full weight class higher than their weight qualifies them for, and if their weight puts them at max, they can't fight at all.

[@doffmoffin]

You make a very compelling case for why you should take PEDs

[@ReneADreifuss]

Fantastic post. You are absolutely correct. As someone who has faced steroid abusers in competition and in training, I can add my personal subjective experience in that even after they have been "clean" they still retain massive advantages in power.

[@AdventureThroughLife]

They never go back to being clean. They need to take medically prescribed steroids from their doctor to get their testosterone levels back to normal because their testicles are ruined which means they can't produce their own testosterone anymore. They are still cheating, but now it's with a doctor's consent.

[@Tafffyyy]

Just noticed you wear a Batamn T-Shirt in so many videos🤣

[@ilustradorel-javi5566]

someone should send this to Greg Doucette, MPMD and Sean Nalewanyj

[@KingCuba]

What excellent informative Content

[@michalwright6979]

I personally think most fighters are doping or taking something. I think it’s extremely difficult to recover like they do after camps & training

[@institches2750]

I love the outtakes. Hilarious.

[@katokianimation]

This could be an argument against or to trans athletes who experienced puberty of the male sex first. If you think about it the commision at least coherent with their alredy exsisting shitty gudelines if they let them compite after one year of being at the female hormon level. Like you said even if all the physical advantage were out, it is not fair if somebody can train harder and more than the whole league where they will compite in the future.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Precisely! "Past steroid exposure imparts permanent advantages" is a fact that can help guide a lot of policy decisions in sports.

[@melloncolliemedb]

A male puberty, then a trans menopause, then a female puberty. I cannot train harder than any cis woman I know.

[@whitebeltexplainsjujitsu]

Good job sir

[@SCWPone]

If you did actually effectively find a way to convince people not to cheat in sport this would also leave you in the interesting position of regular people being able to put themselves at an athletic advantage over professional athletes because regular people don’t have to worry about getting caught.

[@curtisjackson5793]

Someone should gather info about athletes' results before and after their suspension for PEDs usage, so that we could see whether their performance drops, raises, or maintains the same. Of course, we'd have to assume their results were due to PEDs (specially the experience factor), if favorable, or disregard PEDs' benefits, in case their performance drops or stays the same, so I guess we'd have some [insert technical bias' name] here. But the problem, specially if the control athlete raised or maintained his performance after the suspension, is that the experience gained for more training sessions due to PEDs use is practically impossible to distinguish from the experience one would naturally get along his career progression (we can assume that any athlete would naturally be more experienced as his career progresses). We'd also have to assume that an athlete facing suspension for PEDs use wasn't using them prior to their being caught, so that it'd be a "one-time offense". I now see that this information I requested would be pretty much pointless, regardless of the results, because we can't control many important variables, and the results' interpretations all could lead to fallacies. I decided to still comment this so that others may not waste mental energy unnecessarily (also because of the sunk cost fallacy lol) Maybe the ethical solution (complementing the life-time ban) would be creating a promotion or organization company that arranged fights without any sort of testing whatsoever, ie, with free PEDs usage, so that any athlete in it would be using without consequences. It's like giving trans women their own category, instead of trying to fit them within the women's.

[@johnnylams3948]

I hate cheating. I love information. Thanks for the education.

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

They been doing it in every sport for year 90% athletes are or have been on juice its naivete to think otherwise.

[@SCWPone]

There are no “honest athletes” absolutely everyone at the highest level of sport is on something. The fact that they’re just starting to catch more and more of them as time goes on just proves the testing is getting more stringent which we already knew to be the case.

[@demonderpz7937]

So if I want to bulk up but not compete I should use PEDs?

[@smartyben101]

If its such a huge benefit, it sounds impossible to ban. If you cant test for it later and it has permanent positive effects, you can take it a long time before doing MMA and then just stop doing it and have a benefit nobody else has, while also never being caught.

[@DkGaston]

This has been well known in the bodybuilding community for decades. The standard for anyone wanting to compete at high level has always been to dope heavily and train hard for years and then scale back for a while and enter the scene. I watched this cycle from the outside for years because my gym was owned by famous body builders....there were all these people working out with them after hours who were much larger and lifting much heavier but who had never been in competition or on display publicly at all...those were the next generation, people free to juice to extreme to build. Then they scale back and lose some but nowhere near all the gains and appear in competition. It's pretty disgusting and also profoundly harmful to the atheletes who are driven to destroy their health and shorten their lives in this way.

[@BandakaKush]

Yes but I think he is understating the severity of being on the shelf for two years. That can incredibly hurt a fighters marketability, ranking and ring rust will negatively affect them. Disappearing for two years can have a drastic affect on your performance. Your fighting career is a small window. Life time bans may be too harsh a punishment.

[@overtyrantfear]

Sports are just inherently unfair. I can train 7 days a week for multiple hours a day doing boxing, kickboxing, BJJ and MMA. I've been doing it since I was a little kid. Just not fair I don't need to take drugs to do that. Anytime fairness is brought up in sports it feels like a cursed problem

[@merkins87]

"You know what's most unfair? Mother nature." Josh Barnett

[@Mightylcanis]

That's not unfair, that's actually incredibly fair. Why should you expect to be on the same skill level with someone when they have invested far more of their life to the activity? They've been doing it since they were a kid, of course they're going to be at a higher skill level than some 20-something who's only just now starting.

[@overtyrantfear]

@Mightylcanis of course increased training time will help with becoming more skilled. However, not many people have the genetics, lifestyle and mental attitude given to them that can support that kind of recovery speed. It's a strong natural advantage that most people do not possess. even more unfair, it's more common to my geography than other places, meaning from a young age I've also had better training partners than most, better coaches, more training facility options, better access to sport doctors. What a crazy advantage to have that is totally unaccounted for, but also how and why would you?

[@Mightylcanis]

​@@overtyrantfear Okay, you jumped from "they've been doing it longer so they're better at it than I am" to "they were born into a privileged position and thus have an advantage." Yeah, we're not all the same. Imagine that, some people are better suited to a given task than others are. Wild, right? /s

[@aumadityadhawan]

Everyone knows Chael just had too much test naturally, obviously the undisputed undefeated GOAT

[@youngmf6052]

What do I need to take to fix my back? I mean if there is a steroid to speed the healing, I want that.

[@nickarnold1622]

Ayy get that money bro

[@SamuelBoxold]

muscle mice art depiction go hard

[@kevinbihari]

is there not a case to be made for a cheaters only group? like you have in videogames. when you cheat, you get transfered to a server where only other cheaters are. or do you also find it irresponsible to let people fight like that?

[@KingCuba]

Watched a few videos before this. 3 I think…Wing Chung is wrong, three pillars of fighting, and Toxic Champ mindset. Really enjoyed them. But THIS video earned my sub. thanks for cutting through the bullshit with concise science and solutions(and also a good mindset about it to boot!) Too many complain with nothin else attached. Gg. Great content, keep it up

[@benjaminboyle7329]

So obviously continuous heavy use of PED's is devastating for your health but given the apparently life long benefits of using it for a limited period of time, isn't there an argument to be made that the health benefits might outweigh the negatives under controlled conditions. Im honestly wondering if our cultural views on performance enhancers might actually be preventing us from making use of something that could be extending the quality of life for the elderly.

[@whatvwouldjustisdophilp1208]

Great vid. Your spock to mikes Kirk.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Dang, I like that comparison. Now we need a McCoy!

[@eliot1197]

That's a premium content ❤️

[@comosediceesoo681]

so it makes you a super soldier pretty much

[@r.westerling4280]

2:17 2:56 You won't return to normal 3:38 4:04 Mice experiment 5:00 Myonuclea

[@TophatlarryOG]

Is it odd this entire episode feels like a Yoel Romero explanation

[@ArmchairViolence]

Yoel Romero doesn't use steroid! Steroids use him! 😆

[@icarusswitkes6833]

Mann I would gladly trade my ability to do competitions for those lifelong benefits sign me up lmao

[@robertlehnert4148]

This may explain the Casey Viator "Colorado Experiment" Arthur Jones, the creator of Nautilus equipment & training staged in the 1970s, to prove Nautilus "one set to failure on each piece of equipment" was superior to standard free weight multiple set strength/bodybuilding routines. Casey Viator was already a very experienced bodybuilder, who even though he was coming off of a prolonged layoff, juicing was certainly part of his pre-layoff regimen. That's even aside from the accusations Viator juiced like crazy during the 30 day experiment, the fact Viator was a long term roid user simply invalidates the Colorado Experiment claims as far as they applies to non-juicing, novice lifters.

[@kalinmir]

let's instead of being the last men, become the titans of flesh and farmacology! (as Blownapart would say)

[@soupedkid13]

Different leagues, Regular and Maxed. Maxed allowed drugs. Also have male, female, and a free for all league

[@institches2750]

Not sure there are enough people to populate all those leagues. And it might create problems with governing bodies if the UFC starts lowkey encouraging drug use. They already have trouble sometimes getting local authorities to let them host fights if the ruleset is deemed "too dangerous."

[@javiazar]

I agreed with everything you said until you ended with "lifetime ban". The actual solution is stop testing. Testing for steroids and banning people is stupid. Athletes should be allowed to take whatever the fuck they wanna take.

[@alexyo2440]

This is essentially the answer. The Olympics does this, all pro boxing does it, pro MMA does it as well.. The main problem would be maintaining the health of the fighter when they take too much, and the obvious answer to that is that taking steroids is unhealthy to begin with, so you'd end up with similar if not the same commissions. Otherwise your top fighters would die before they reach 40, essentially destroying the organization

[@utomocalvin]

Can you add the disadvantages of PED? Because it sounds like I'm listening to 13 minutes advertisement of how wonderful PEDs are

[@LWNightmareSheriff]

Lifetime ban is the only answer I agree.

[@Devils.harp.player]

As much as I agree, it’ll never happen. They will never just “fire” their top fighters (because they make big money).

[@sauzeefy]

Why not just allow everyone to use PEDs?

[@salvsays]

I’m down with the enhanced league. Juice em all up like cattle. Let them run into one another and explode in a beautiful display of blood and muscle. Like if youre gonna juice then you get put into that league and unless you juice alll the way or quit, youre gonna have a bad time. Honestly id rather see two roided out bulls collide than two regular bulls.

[@ikimikidomoe8621]

Are PEDs bad for your health tho? Pretty sure i heard something like that

[@whatwentwrong4599]

I hear most of the Russian fighters get fed them from around 13 to 18. By the time they actually complete, they are "clean" but built a frame and cardio levels fair above what is normal.

[@andrewtate8595]

True, their own government helps athletes in getting performance enhancing drugs

[@whatwentwrong4599]

@@andrewtate8595 That's the good old Russians for you.

[@mynameismynameis666]

the whole USADA game is a manipulative schtick and second level of manipulation the UFC uses to protect its golden calfs.

[@malkomalkavian]

It's midichlorians?

[@miguelalejandrog.datiles9809]

uk his idea of having a womens division and an open division? there should be "enhanced" versios of those divisons

[@determ4675]

So youre saying I should do drugs?

[@alexkehoepwj]

This is why I argue all day that jon jones isnt the GOAT

[@Flamewolf14]

could they do like a cheaters league in csgo if you cheat they lower your trust factor so you just play against other cheaters it would kinda be like weight classes idk maybe a bad idea but watching 2 super roided out dudes duke it out could be fun. though if they can get perma banned from the drug doing league they might cheat to have an advantage in one then go onto the other a okay so yeah

[@AAA-tc1uh]

Learn about PEDs in combat sports AND get relationship advice at the same time.

[@SERUNONURES]

Man, now I really wanna do steroids!

[@javierlinarez1747]

When I watch mma fights, almost every time I'm watching big trapezius muscles, a good indicator for steroids, because it's a muscle not easy to train and not necessary for fight. So It's obvious to me that steroids is widely used in combat sports.

[@idklmaostilldontknow3592]

Rhe video was good but i think you shouldve mentioned the downsides of steroids and peds because now this just seems like an ad for peds which normal people definitely dont need

[@thothtahuti5509]

agreed

[@benjaminboyle7329]

Wait you mean people who are willing to risk grievous bodily harm in the pursuit of excellence in their sport are also willing to take drugs with negative health effects in the pursuit of excellence in their sport? Say its not so.

[@6AxisSage]

Aaah so thats why i can put on muscle quickly right now even at 40, thanks younger me for working like a bit*h.

[@thothtahuti5509]

Why doesn't this have more views?! What the f#&@

[@MartialArtsViking]

I am literally in a self experiment where i take a tes booster for 30 days and now you do this vid😅 gonna upload it to youtube as soon as the results are here😏 Btw i would tag it as ads for your sake, just sayin;)

[@adamzandarski8933]

Counterpoint; legalize dr assisted steroid use cuz it’s really not that big of a deal

[@gaymer5697]

damn there are only good takes on this channel.

[@samson2160]

So peds are like going into the hyperbolic time chamber with a bag of sensu beans ??

[@juan-carlosmaldonado6624]

Another option is creating a league that allows it

[@christophervelez1561]

Uh no it’s açaí, Jesus, and horse meat 💉💉💉 I just get bigger, faster, and stronger the older I get.

[@agiammarco94]

"One to two year suspension" Isn't that just a recovery break in MMA? Also the true solution is to create a separate MMA league where doping is allowed. You wanna cheat well than you gotta fight someone else who cheats. And then you can separate into not just weight classes but also Drug classes.

[@12earo]

I fuckimg love your content

[@rodtim2857]

Guess this would also be true for males who transition to compete in womens sports. Initial advantage remains

[@institches2750]

He has a video on that, I think.

[@jc-kj8yc]

There's one more thing that should at least be discussed. We solely focus on the athletes when they get caught, but realistically it's not just them who cheat. Usually the whole team is involved. To stick with Dillashaw as an example, nobody can tell me that a combat sports og like Duane Ludwig did not realize TJ using. The teams know! Most gyms have a "guy" who can set you up with the stuff. So don't just punish the athletes, but the entire team. Prohibit coaches whose athletes got caught from any awards like coach of the year and ban them from cornering for a couple of years for every one of their athletes who get caught. Doping is such a systemic issue that it can't be solved with single measures. You have to punish everyone involved. But to actually do this, two things need to happen: 1. All promotions worldwide have to agree on this. If only the UFC would enforce these rules, Bellator and One would just swallow their entire roster. 2. You'd have to declare these rules a few years in advance. Right now they'd lead to the sport dying immediately. Every major gym would get banned in a couple of months. So clean up the sport for the future. Every caught cheater from 2030 on will lead to a life time ban for the athlete, a permanent disqualification for the coach and team for any awards and a 2 year ban of the coaches cornering. That way they could start right now to clean up house, kick out the fixers and make sure their new prospects stay clean. It would lead to a lot of sudden early retirements in 2030, but this could actually do something to clean up the sport.

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

You do realize a lot of gyms would be banned most fighter are on peds. There would be no sport.

[@jc-kj8yc]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby probably. But if a system is built on shady crap like this, it's gonna come down at some point anyway. Look at the tour de france. It never really recovered from getting blown up. If the sport really tried to get rid of doping, it should make a clean cut and yes, that would probably mean that there wouldn't be any events for a while. I personally prefer that over clean athletes getting their bodies irreparably damaged by cheaters on a systemic level.

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

@@jc-kj8yc It only came down because no one wants to just be open and honest to say yep most bikers have been juicing for the last 100 years. (No cap by the way just looked it up steroid abuse in the Olympics started in the 1940s. ) My point is why care most sports have steroids rampant in them for years almost your and my entire life unnoticeable so why stop now. What your advocating for is going to get rid of every sport what I am advocating for is just let them do it and stop stigmatizing what has happened is sport for years upon years anyway. By the way so you know you do realize half of most sports hall of famers did juice at some point just saying.

[@jc-kj8yc]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby 1. Of course 99% of all professional athletes use steroids. Everyone involved knows. But (!) 2. It's still illegal and publically frowned upon. Ignoring this issue is a time bomb. Again, look at professional cycling. They got exposed and now nobody cares about it anymore. There's two solutions to the problem. Either A) act on what already shut be the norm and get rid of any doping with an iron fist B) legalize and normalize doping. But just ignoring it, is doomed to fail and leads to innocent athletes getting hurt, because there is a handful of athletes who don't cheat. And everytime they face up against someone with chemical help, they're at a physical disadvantage against someone trying to severely hurt them. Ignoring that boils down to abuse!

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

@@jc-kj8yc It's been happening for years why care now? As a fighter myself all it really does is give more metabolic potential the damage most fighters really sustain is in the form of poor or over training, consistently hard sparing, lack of proper stops by refs, and alcohol/drug abuse outside of the sport that degrades their performance. Steroids is the lowest tier of the issues most fighters face. Now is it morally right 🤷‍♂️ but to ban people is impractical. I think your second option makes the most sense so we can at least regulate and control the usage to an extent with medical teams and doctors.

[@chaoctic7278]

Looks like you came on that shirt

[@Renulph]

There's so many sus fighters in the UFC. Usman, Romero (formerly UFC anyway), Chandler, etc. As a natural lifter, I know how hard it is to put on lean mass, once the newbie gains end, you're gaining like 1-2 lbs a year and that's with diligent and consistent work. You mean to tell me these guys are doing 6-8 hour sessions, working as hard as they can and aren't losing their gains? They're expending so much energy and yet remain so lean and bulky, it's just BS overall, and a lot of them don't pass the smell test. The Diaz bros are some of the only clean ones in the sport. Most of the Brazilian roster has been getting away with it for some time, too. Paulo Costa is openly joking around about his "secret juice," but the More Plates More Dates video on his "progress" is highly indicative of someone who's been using PEDs.

[@mike393000]

so muscle memory...

[@neroma]

"steroid mouse and natural mouse worked out for six days" - is this video a joke ?

[@joshuascott3428]

I love your video but bro one other option does exist ,its simply not testing for drugs , yes you might have guys dying at 50 like in bodybuilding ,but its a risk many are willing to take.

[@institches2750]

Should we as a community be encouraging/allowing them to take it though? Fighters are not going to self-regulate or advocate for their own health and safety; that mindset is fairly antithetical to a champion mindset. Plus, the industry might start running into more resistance from local authorities and trouble booking fight locations if it's seen to be allowing/encouraging drug use.

[@AlexiusRedwood]

This is the worst take I have ever seen.

[@WarriorEsoteric]

LET’S GET CHECKED! Then get offered testosterone 🙄

[@krangkraken6466]

I could think of another solution. A steroid class. Only former steroid users allowed