Armor NEEDS Nerfs NOW! | RANT | OVERWATCH 2 DISCUSSION

[@AbbyOW2]

Just yapping about armor and its frustrating points, I missed a few others but my fever was kicking back in but I wanted to discuss with you lot what you want to see done to change up the state of armor.

[@leftyyy23]

This state of DVa has made me hate her more than prime season 8 Mauga at this point, prob bc it has been going on for too damn long

[@notinfamouse364]

This has been my take ever since Dva was meta, yes prime Mauga sucked, yea it might be a garbage take but personally I'd rather go against Mauga cause I can actually shoot the damn character and get ult charge from him, playing into Dva has 0 interactivity unless you're Zarya, Sym, Mei, or Brig, and both of those DPS suck right now

[@kingclampz6081]

@@notinfamouse364exactly mauga over dva any day

[@waterrr6332]

​@@notinfamouse364I 100% agree. Zarya does not even work on Maps where Dva is good. Like how do you make Zarya work on Watchpoint

[@prestigini3150]

@@waterrr6332Lucio maybe

[@waterrr6332]

@@prestigini3150 Yeah, but it is really, really difficult

[@madcapsymphony1064]

They reverted the armor back to the OW1 variant, then buffed that version while also adding Headshot Resistance on tanks at the same time. Makes shooting an armored tank feel like your using a BB gun now.

[@Shatamx]

Its not only the armor. Its giving tanks like dva a 4 second speed boost and damage to boot. She is an A-10 thunderbolt2 with nuclear bunkers as armor. Shit sucks man.

[@waterrr6332]

Dva is actually worse than Mauga meta.

[@Adam-yq9xe]

Fr. Mauga had counters. Dva doesn't

[@waterrr6332]

@@Adam-yq9xe Yeah, he had Anti, nade, Reaper, Bastion, Sym, Zen. Just very high damage things that shut him down quick or deny his healing. Dva has Zarya on the maps that Zarya is good and nothing else

[@emperortime2356]

Both are equally bad.

[@natedavis2944]

@@waterrr6332exactly if it’s a map zarya is mid or bad on you have nothing to beat dva aside from playing dva yourself. And I don’t play dva I personally think she’s boring but that’s just me

[@Adam-yq9xe]

@@emperortime2356 no. Again it was possible to shut down the Mauga even when he was at his best. Dva though? She literally negates about 80% of the rosters damage for free with literally no down side, with only 2 characters in the game that could reliably kill her, assuming she doesn't fly away before she does so.

[@Daavel]

counterswapping is not a skill at this point, my girlfriend who has never even played an FPS game before, recently got into overwatch thanks to me, and she has like 50 hours in the game, she doesn't exactly understand every character yet she doesn't even remember their names or how everyone looks like yet, and she already knows the counterswapping game, she already knows a couple of counterswaps, and that is not something i taught her that's something she picked up on her own, counterswapping is a joke and i am baffled that Alec Dawson says that the counterswapping knowledge is a skill check, it is not

[@AdhvaithSane]

It was in Overwatch 1 but in Overwatch 2 it isn’t even funny and jokes are at least funny, so it’s just cringe, since I can’t just say the c word to convey how fucking bad the counterswapping is….

[@greenecarlos93]

It would be if there was just soft counters but the fact their are so many hard counters just leaves little room to out play your counters which u used to be able to do

[@absolute-xero7502]

Getting your girlfriend into overwatch 2 should be considered abuse.

[@LeatherNinja]

​@@absolute-xero7502😂

[@AdhvaithSane]

@@absolute-xero7502 Unless she knows what she’s signing in to 😂

[@Skythehedgecat]

coming from a retired Dva main, I hated her micro missiles the day she got them, as for a change for her kit personally for me, buff her gun damage, remove the micro missiles entirely, her boosters can have a 3sec cool down, lastly DM should have a cool down when it hits zero, Since bad players just use it up and burn it out it should have a 13 sec cooldown to keep players from abusing it , if they don't use it up to nothing, dealing damage can slowly recharge it , I think this is fair

[@hillwoop9101]

I swear they added missles just because she did not have an E ability

[@nickpillow5692]

@@hillwoop9101her E was d matrix, she’s too mobile to be able to be that Tanky and an assassin and ult eater.

[@neodaltiair8624]

Winston Bubble CD is a little fast imo. It’s really hard to punish him because he gets bubble back so fast

[@sonderbain]

Overwatch used to be 4d chess when any character could make a difference. Now its dumbed down to rock paper scissors thanks to alec dawson and the balance team. Counter swapping was never EVER good for this game. They keep pulling the game in that direction and the game is suffering because of it. Everyones most hated times in this game are do to overpowered swap to win bullsh**. The devs just don't care about what the community wants. They want to shove their dumb ideas in our face and force us to like it because we have no alternatives to this game. This is why I pray Marvel Rivals finally wakes them tf up. They need to realize if they keep heading in this direction this game will die. They will have no-one to blame but themselves for fumbling the ball for years on end.

[@pepekovallin]

I don't know why they decided to mess with armor, when not only it's not all tanks that benefit from armor but also it's not ONLY tanks benefit from armor, they actually went with a decision that had A LOT of repercussions for no real reason and anyone can see they did not account for how much these changes would affect other heroes in the game

[@AbbyOW2]

I just dislike their approach to wanting to touch things that do not need to be touched that then leads to completely new problems, I always feel surely they won't create a new problem and somehow a season or two later it happens

[@tylerbacoka4248]

no future vision of balance, shocked. Not Activision they would never do such a Hanus thing. Oh wait Activision is the devil never mind.

[@thatonepronoun7503]

nerf armour on every hero except rein rein meta when

[@TherealMeowkilla]

Don’t talk to me until I had my fat shatter

[@huuREG]

healing is so OP i cant even feel the 20% anymore

[@BigPro1123]

I thought they dropped it to 10%. Did they revert it?

[@huuREG]

@BigPro1123 Yeah I'm pretty sure they reverted it to 15% or 20%

[@togsana]

@@huuREGfrom what I can see there was no reversion after season 11

[@Cruxis_Angel]

@@huuREGi thought they changed it to 20% for squishies, 10% for tanks

[@huuREG]

@@togsana Overwatch 2 Retail Patch Notes - April 30, 2024 HERO UPDATES Damage role passive healing reduction increased from 15% to 20%.

[@lealand07]

Abby, I don’t disagree with your overall criticism of armor. As a tank player, I believe gigabuffing tanks is a short term solution to making tank feel more fun. Unfortunately it is at the expense of other roles. The solution is to go back to 6v6 and then they can revert the tank changes.

[@BoomerNebula]

can we talk about the hanzo gameplay in the background? like holy shit...

[@yabito]

I dont have problems with armor, barriers or health pool. My problem is health recovery in a tank. Should be only for support.

[@prestigini3150]

Health recovery isn’t really an issue lol it doesn’t kick in for like 2-3 seconds

[@yabito]

@@prestigini3150 for Junker Queen vampiric abilities, or ball health generation or hog breather, sygma damage adsorb, ram transformation, mauga cardiac, doom health based on skill damage. Use that plus armor, barrier and/or health pool and you have an issue.

[@savage3PC]

It takes 5 seconds to activate and probably takes like 40 - 25 seconds to fully heal

[@savage3PC]

Least of anyones worries is the health recovery

[@Littleman_bigshorts]

Your worried about the wrong thing man

[@魚-c3d]

We need to apply the Spilo armor rework ! Here's how it works. You all know armor originally provided a 5 damage reduction with 50% maximum reduction, meaning a high instant damage projectile like a Pharah rocket used to deal 115 against it, while a tracer bullet deals only 50% of its original value as substracting 5 damage points to a 5.5 dmg tracer bullet would make no sense. Recently, armor has been buffed to 10 dmg reduction, which means : -small bullets/shrapnels (tracer, reaper) are unaffected as the ceiling is still -50% -high burst damage projectiles (Pharah, Junk) are slightly affected -medium damage projectiles such as Genji and echo's primary fire got nerfed to the ground, since the -10 equals to a huge proportion of their damage without bringing them lower than 50%. All of my yapping basically means that *the fundamental flaw of armor's design is that it doesn't affect all heroes equally, to an extreme extent* . How do we fix it ? Spilo came up with an idea that is directoy inspired by the current armor logic. Since there is already a maximum damage reduction (50%), why not implement a *minimum* damage reduction threshold? This way, it would even the efficiency of armor across all heroes while making it resonably strong. Lets say : -armor is brought back to its inital 5 dmg reduction -still features a maximum 50% dmg reduction -now features a minimum 20% dmg reduction Explained through a couple of examples : -tracer type of damage are still capped at 50% -Soldier's bullets are reduced by 5 dmg, as 5 is proportionally more than 20% of 19. -Pharah's rockets now deal 96 damage instead of 115, as 5 does not equal to 20% of 120. 20% of 120=24, thus 120-24=96. Same logic would apply to every character that has high damage projectiles. Hope that was clear, I really think this concept from Spilo can make armor balanced and thank you for your content Abby 🙏

[@michaelc7418]

I recommend they try the following changes to Armor: * Armor flat damage reduction reduced from 10 to 7 per projectile. * Armor now has a 20% minimum and 40% maximum damage reduction per projectile. * Armor now receives -5% healing from all sources.

[@cirno9349]

The biggest problem that OW has to fix is how they look at balance. Balancing based off charts is not working and is how we get the Orisa cycle. Armor also comes from this as they look at how much damage a tank takes before death not why they took all of that damage so suddenly.

[@tylerbacoka4248]

overwatch 2, start of match, everyone picks their favorite hero's, end of match, everyone's a counter swap.

[@deathboitechnobladeneverdi7918]

How is the ow2 balencing team worse than ow1's 😭🙏

[@BuffGenji]

Goated intro, but I disagree here 4:40 on the counterswapping. While it can’t be entirely removed, they could give tanks tools to deal with counters more and make the counters much softer. Look at d.va for example, who is vulnerable to beams. If her DM say have damage resist to beams, about 30-50%, all of a sudden it doesn’t feel quite so bad. They would still be counters, but be much softer(d.va being op at the moment is a different topic, she’ll get nerfed eventually). Then look at doom and ball. They can feel unkillable if they’re pretty good unless you counterswap to a hero with CC like sombra, Ana, cass, and then they have to be so much better than you to get value and not insta die. What if we made block stop hack like a rein shield? Or ball immune to CC like sleep and hinder when using shields? When these cooldowns are down, they still will get countered, but it gives the tanks ways to deal with them. And say now doom and ball are unkillable? You could just nerf the total health or adaptive shield health ball has, and reduce the amount of over health doom gets from his abilities

[@umimintsune0058]

People keep comparing S12 Dva to Mauga meta and it is not at all close Mauga meta was so easy to counter it just required more thinking and Outplaying Dva CANNOT be outplayed, it is either your Dva is better or the Enemy Dva IS. Dva has no problem committing to kill an enemy, she can just Boost, Rocket, Matrix and then Boost away. You can say to stick closer to your team but that doesnt really stop her from doing that unless BOTH supports are in your ass trying to keep you alive. And even THEN the Dva can just switch targets.

[@MonaxNoire]

One thing i see people always defend is oh no dont nerf the armor they like the armor change. This is very unhealthy because it rewards bad players and makes them not learn how to use the character properly. I see this with rein/dva/mauga players that they dont want the change to be nerfed because they suck at surviving. They have that cod mindset to where if you ever criticize their favorite character they will get offended and start attacking you. Its the same with widow mains. You mainly see them on console

[@DD-fs7pg]

Speaking of tanks, a lot of them are actually really good. If winston and dva get reined in and/or other tanks get slight buffs, they will be a menace. Roadhog is another example of this where he's not bad, at all, it's just that he's not good everywhere, has some counters, and is completely countered by current meta, especially Dva but he's by no means weak. He got indirectly buffed with the HP changes and he has an advantage over almost every single DPS and is good against most of the tanks that aren't Dva and maybe Mauga and Orisa. Other tanks like Doom are also good, just not amazing but I don't think there's a single "bad" tank, it's just that they're overshadowed by better tanks/compositions.

[@hillwoop9101]

*Zarya does not counter Dva. Zarya does not counter Dva. Zarya does not counter Dva.* Why? Dva can just fly away when she’s in trouble. Dva can eat grav. Dva can track your bubble cooldown and when Zarya has no bubbles. she bursts the Zarya with headshots+missles. Dva has a second lifewith her ult, Zarya does not. Dva has armor, Zarya has no armor. My solution to Dva is *Sigma* (on non-dive maps), she can’t DM The Rock and flux. He can stun her booster with The Rock. She can get her entire load sucked off. Her ult can be blocked with barrier. Her remech can be cancelled with The Rock if timed well. Another solution is *Winston* (on dive maps), hear me out, Winston ignores armor and DM. Winston can waste Dva time and resource with his bubble. He can dive backlines and Dva can not help teammates from getting zapped.

[@quincygoodman8059]

the fact we have buffed tanks to all hell and it still dosen't feel fun to play is hilarious

[@Zeus-2231]

Another beautiful day to aim train while listening to my favorite rants

[@crack-man4071]

are tanks over tunned? maybe, BUT. that was intentional. -Alec Dawson

[@natedavis2944]

They need to reverted the armor change from 10 off a pellet back to five but then add a maximum damage threshold so damage of say a 100 gets a 20% reduction. That way high burst damage doesn’t feel so terrible cause playing against a junk rat on anything but dva is so painful. Then they need to remove some armor from dva because she just has too much, why does she need more than rein? She got headshot more yes but now the headshot passive helps with that so she don’t need that anymore. And then revert her micro missiles back. Giving her a 37.5% increase in damage on that ability is ridiculous when you consider all the other buffs she’s had over the seasons to her spread, booster cd, booster boop damage, primary fire movement slow reduction, etc.

[@cachinco2681]

I remember the days where charcters were balanaced and the gane fucntioned well, ans then brig bap got eelased making the otger dlc tanks orisa and signa being added op, moving us to 5v5 instead of balancing the 4 shit charfters they added, and now in 5v5 most chracters dont fucntion well against eachotger. Its so boring picking my main tank jist to be counter swapped ajd my teammtes instead of counter swapping themselves so i have to do it sll, i am a zar main for example and if enemy picks ball my ashe plauer stays ashe and whines im not on dva when im doing well usually, like cant you just pick sombra? Such a waste of a game being forced to be balanced shit or broken and the game plays you not the otherway around. Like holy shit i am sick of it

[@Lil_Broskee]

Stroke?

[@trevin277]

As doom playing into any of these armored beast is painful my primary does negative damage

[@doublelizard767]

I used to play ram into mauga and i had fun even in gm, now i play final fantasy 14 online and forgot this game existed

[@blkc744]

I think that if if buff armour u need to adjust dmg, genji for example deal 13.5 dmg now make him ignore armour cause wasn’t good against even before the buffs

[@emperortime2356]

Thats why i play Ramattra. He has no real counters except Mauga. But Mauga can be played around as ram. Ramattra has both Poke and Brawl.

[@natedavis2944]

I would disagree at high elo if the other team isn’t just throwing you’ll get ran over on ram by Mauga. But ram is pretty solid unless they have a strong cc comp then he can struggle

[@davidc.]

A good dive can pick him apart pretty easily on some maps. But he does feel better then most

[@AdhvaithSane]

Blizzard: “Armour problem? Alright we will buff armour and drop a an oiled up Junker Queen skin 💀”

[@joshuaali3140]

Bro making us blush at the start of the video 🥰😂 Keep up the good videos brother 🙌

[@it0myun]

Some of the characters that have armor shouldn't have as much health as they do tbh, and no DPS should be 300 hp, As well as characters that heal themselves should have less hp than characters that don't

[@jaldisatree8]

I would agree on most characters but one like hog have nothing else to protect them and bastion is the size of a tank

[@waterrr6332]

@@jaldisatree8 Then we have Torb's overloaded ass that pops an ability that is basically a fuck you and he becomes a tank with a load of buffs. Not complaining tho

[@inadayofglory]

So, you want every brawl dps become more squishier than dive dps? What's the point of this characters then?

[@it0myun]

@inadayofglory So you think its fine for a character with self heal to be more health than a character that doesn't self heal?

[@it0myun]

@jaldisatree8 like those two are understandable because then they just be free big kills and don't really have a evade ability or a defensive ability

[@ramengxd]

im happy someone is talking about armor man, because holy crap it's actually awful to play against, especially when i play dps. i play a lot of tracer so when i saw they gave torb more armor i was on my hands and knees crying LMAO. also i played comp last night and we went up agaisnt a winston that just wouldn't die, because by the time his armor was finally depleted, he could just hop away no worries.

[@TheUnseenKrab]

I mainly play open because i can properly play Winston.

[@PikachuComments]

I’m actually happy with Reinhardt this season unironically. I’m allowed to kill people who are mispositioned and I (usually) don’t get shredded in 2 seconds when I drop my shield 😂

[@ziggy2metalx720]

Locking the hero swapping is not the way to go. If I am stuck on orisa and they ended up on something like Zarya or Sym, I’m sure that I and many other people would leave the match. Why stick around if the experience is ruined and now you can’t do anything about it. And for what, so you can get flamed afterwards for not doing anything because now you couldn’t swap. Man it’s just so much simpler going back to 6v6.

[@chitowntexan9783]

Ive been playing orisa a little when someone swaps to mauga or hog and they kinda smoke the whole lobby lowkey. Orisa feels really good right now, so much kill potential Also maybe its just me but I have been seeing a crazy amount of really good junkrats lately

[@chitowntexan9783]

Orisa kinda great for bastion and sombra

[@b23beatz]

I thought the 5 damage change was fine for armor when they upped it to 10 i was really confused even as a tank player I don't think it was needed

[@ducky350]

I’ve stopped shooting at hog, dva and ball. There’s actually not a reason I can think of to shoot at them. Less ult charge, hs don’t do anything anymore, and they have insane sustain cds. Im not saying I should be able to roll tanks 1v1 on dps but can I atleast have a fighting chance?

[@itsali654]

The headshot passive needs to go only hero that should have that is orisa and maybe hog both those heros have the biggest hitbox that they need that passive

[@Alfred-hs9ol]

Real also i have no clue why dva havent got nerfed

[@TheBoy4Life]

Just leave Rein as he is until we get 6v6 back. Playing tank in role que with 5v5 is ASS. Open que has literally become a home for the tanks, especially Rein mains, and that's almost always GOATs and no one actually wants that.

[@notmyname1038]

Im tired of you making the argument to nerf all of armor because just 1 or 2 tanks needs a nerf. Just nerf dva. That's the problem

[@waterrr6332]

Because one of Dva's problems is that she is too Tanky and survives through too much because of Armor, then again we can convert like 125 of her armor to regular health

[@footur3179]

I think armour just needs some adjusting to where it impacts all characters almost equally. It shouldn't have no effect on Cass and have soldier be completely useless against it. I'm sure there's a way to make it work. Also agreed nerf dva to the ground

[@MrMechLad]

You're wrong

[@footur3179]

Good argument, have a nice day :D

[@Ccscenario]

imagine if armor was not a healable stat

[@dizzy.....]

Since there is only one tank they all have to be demigod characters and it makes the game miserable to play.

[@iStorm-my5fp]

Thank you for seeing my beauty through youtube

[@BigPro1123]

Armor is just a stupid idea imo. Why have damage reduction for a bit of their health and not just give them more health?

[@Megggazap]

a character having armor, compared to having a higher maximum HP is different because armor is healed and restored faster than it’s lost. The same cannot be said about a healthpool size

[@ElQueEdita]

bcs is easier to fully heal a 700 (500+200 armor) than a 1000 hp character

[@Snarkybobs]

Just show a list of the original dev team and follow show their work please. Support them

[@Norfyo]

The horse might be back....

[@Absol_hunt]

Nerf Genji. Lmao nah fr D va should've been nerf before Winston

[@extreme6084]

Is this an old video or did hanzo get his health changed back?

[@AbbyOW2]

Old footage, all recent footage got corrupted :/

[@AnimeArtist666]

ah yes my daily abby video while at work with some coffee just HITS thank you for the content

[@AbbyOW2]

Have a good day

[@Nova-kg5wr]

no it does not rein needs his armor

[@Ccscenario]

how do you even make ow content anymore, this season is so dry after the 2 week mark, and now the only thing to do is discuss what the devs should have done long time ago 😭🙏

[@ramsical]

literally just uninstalled because of this

[@omarmoumani0709]

I’m in class watching this

[@AbbyOW2]

Focus on your studies lil man!!

[@omarmoumani0709]

@@AbbyOW2who you calling little, big bro

[@tylerbacoka4248]

nerf bs passive healing as well, and all the other pay to win rigged mechanics in this crap game.

[@chaosmd9714]

Buff Armor Please.

[@TheGreatPewpyOne]

Tanks are finally goof after so many seasons of getting melted.. and you want them nerfed? Jfc what an absurdly dogshit take

[@CaptainMadAF]

im trying to watch your vids but you talk so fast and angry I cant hold more than 5 s pls fix

[@Grux_ASG]

Get good

[@epicevanhogan6489]

TRUUEUEEEEEE