I mean just look at overwatch classic, every support hero has some kind of major weakness, and then in overwatch 2 the biggest weakness a support can have besides maybe brigitte's lack of ranged damage is not having an ability that instantly escapes almost any situation effortlessly

Bastion S++

man I love how blade actually feels like an ultimate ability in classic. Also being able to punish supports and tanks that make mistakes since they dont have every get out of jail free card like 5v5. Also I actually get ult charge from shooting tank.

I learned that I want everyone to call Mcree by his name. Cassidy is not what I will ever call him.

dva works just with lucio + highground + comms

Did you just put Dva in B…… this is rage bait, right?

Genji is going to be busted when Ana comes out.

Reaper is good if the enemy isn’t going high hitscan/pharah/6 man torbs comps. He is good though against most of the game’s tanks which makes me hate playing him in current ow2 because he just does so much less even when he was great last season (he doesn’t have to be enabled to get value in OWC but does in OW2)

You’re a lunatic for putting DVA over Soldier, Jack’s DPS is bad but he still has good utility and burst, definitely nowhere near as bad as Ms. can’tdoanythingatankshouldbedoing. Lucio in S is based though, terrible healing(unless there’s multiple) but speedboost and sound barrier is too valuable, I’m pretty sure speedboost used to be wayyy stronger passively too, people just undervalue him cause he feels HORRIBLE to play

28 damage shurikens on 200 HP :) I'll still argue it has to be higher in the "everyone is a tank" era. One thing I predicted is that higher damage + slower RoF is better for both the Genji and the enemy player. The matchups feel more fair. The shorter duration Deflect is great too, and I never liked it being as long as it currently is. Genji should not be a spammer like he is in 5v5. I want to see a similar Genji to Classic come back.

Sym might be bad, but I still am playing the hell out of her. I always wanted to see her go back to a support because she is most fun when setting something up for her team but in the main game the other dps always outshine her… but she would bring value with TP and Turrets as a support.

I honestly thought I wouldn't enjoy junk and would only play him for 1 or 2 games, but I ended up enjoying myself with him, even if he obviously feels clunky. It also made me apreciate the long way junkrat has gone since the launch of ow

Dva isn't last? yikes.

I've seen a 6 widows team almost win on king's row.

Dude you are on crack. Dva is the worst character period

I forgot how loud reaper was back at the release of the game XD

I’ve never played widow much before this mode. She is really fun to play but is way too good. Did she used to have a bigger bullet? Cause I’m hitting way more shots than whenever I do try to play her in OW2

Good video my man

Move 1 support slot to Damage and make Damage role more diverse for example: Range Damage, Flank Damage , Burst Damage. After that Puff Supports to suit the new format. This will make the Game more Organized, you Can balance the game better, More Skill based, Good Support players can shine, no more dummy support play style.

Your definition of dva being playable in that state is quite loose.

I'm loving the old new hanzo but overall the game just feels so much better to play in terms of impact I can have.

Tbh I mostly disagree, the most with Dva and Lucio. You are the 1st one who I saw ranking Dva Higher than D (if there even was an E or F tier) She really is unplayable

Thank you so much for 6K, I have lots of plans for this and the Marvel Rivals channel, want to ask you guys, what more would you like to see, going forward on this channel? :) Edit: interesting note on Dva, you guys have a point on her being hard to play, I played with a stack pretty much so I had a lot of things going for me and may have not felt her clunkiness as much as you guys, thanks for your comments on it!

I think, in the Spilo interview, they said this event is just day 1 patch with and without hero limits. They can do Moth meta and other patches in future OW Classic events if people like this one. I learned that I was wrong about super tanks. I actually suggested in the forums that tanks should feel tankier to make the role more popular in OW1. I'm not sure if that factored into the 5v5 balance, but 6v6 tanks feel better to play. When everyone can die in 1v1s, including the tank, making smart plays feels much more satisfying. The same applies to reducing the AoE healing. When you misplay, you should die for it and learn to do better mid-match. OW2 is harder to learn because mistakes are hidden behind so many second-chance escapes and over stat'ed tanks. It makes you feel more helpless despite all the power creep. There's no clear win strategy because the winning enemy has access to the same bailouts to cover their mistakes.

I was very happy with them bringing back the classic. I do missed playing those eras. I didn't have problems with bug and clunky because it was just how it used to be back then. I'm glad they didn't fix any bug or clunky, or it won't feel it's the og. I played a lot of Mercy, Sym, Dva, Zarya, Bastion, Lucio, Winston, and the rest I play from time to time. I agreed with the Bastion, I got 4k and 5K a lot more common than his current ultimate. Also, I don't really think Massive Rez is that op because everything still dies very quickly, especially a freaking tanks, so I'm glad things can die. I want 222 roles, not 5v5, because I don't like 1 tank and counterswap. I'm just tired of it and feel way too much pressure. Even worse when you only have one tank that can go afk or throw, then you have no tank. If 2 tanks, you still have a better chance if the other tank isn't doing anything or leaves the match. Anyway, about 5v5, no one's dying like Mauga stand off or something like that. You get a lot of damage but very low elims compared to old Ow1 where you get a few thousand damage and a lots of elims. I honestly think they should just go back because it really feels so good. 5v5 formation feels ass and unhealthy. Another thing I prefer 222 roles is have synergies. Those moments feel so good, I hope you agree with that. I forgot what else to say, but yeah, this takes me back, and I'm having a blast!

I learned that (most) dps is ridiculously OP in classic

Just play Paladins man, shit actually dies in that game.

I've learned that even though 1.0 kinda smells bad, it was actually enjoyable for a week of playing & witnessing heroes actually perish without exhausting every ability.

Widow is op

What I learned is that widow is easy as shit to play

My husband watches your channel and it was randomly suggested on my for you page, so happy I found you! subscribed! Also, my name is abby and i love OW so that's how I remembered you!

I learned the game is funnier when things actually die

Not this is real reason why genji is literally dead in meta Just ask urself something: Who was Genji?what he was doing? Most accurate meta answer is: Diver which is based on his oneshot combos with and without ult Yh,i think u know what i mean.He was only diver which had one shot,but still to perform it u had too have Aim at least as good as Widow Mains one and mechanic skils better then anyone else,so even if only way to one shot for Genji was to have perfect both aim and mehanic,While Tracer need some aim(not even head) and dome mechanic skill to do kill in like 2 sec and with some better aim just in 1(and she still can),but instead of finally buff Genji after literally 5 seasons after his oficial death,they buff both the Tracer,which is still meta-SS tier Diver/dps,and Sombra,which need not so much aim,but kinda good mechanic,which barely come close to Genji one, right now Even if they'll remove HP rework fron season 9 will burst enemy's with one shot faster then Tracer and sombra do,but not so consistent,again 3 projectails in same time and pocket doesn't went anywhere,but more importantly why Genji is dead is not cus he kill not so easy as Other diver do, it's cys he can't one shot,I mean Genji is only hero who really was supposed to be One shot always,cus his dash reset after kill,so Genji was One shot hero but with most hard to do one shot but for every one shot,or at least good engage with nice combo of mechanics,aim and combo knowledge which could kill enemy he get dash reset which allows him to do a one shot/engage/damage in multiple targets more often.Removing Genji's one shot doesn't Just reduce his really hard to achieve Kill potential and did it even harder till the moment where Genji Deflect deal more dmg and over all Impact in dules then Shurikens and dash,but also Reduced his Blade kill potential and even more important his over all impact in fight in base form cus less one shots,less dash's reset,less opportunities to do something,less Impact,i think even Blizzard didn't know how much Removing Genji's One shot will kill al his conception,his concept was always,,Diver which can do hardest one shots in the game,but if he manage to did it properly it will increase his overall impact" now from his main concept as we all see we have only ,,Diver" rest of his concept is not anymore true and don't descripe what ge can make in real game,only think which remain the same is deflect,right?no, right now Deflect as i say deal more impact in duels then any of Genji ability's,its survivalabili,Control,control defens,Damage.From some reason Genji have of most good abilitys to Tank being an Diver,ony cus this ability can deal back al minigated Dmg and control,and even Debuffs,and guess what,again only if u have best Mechanic in gamer univers,cus u must perfectly predict when ur enemy will do that or that,and perfect aim to give it right back to him,if Genji will not got his one shot back only thing blizzard could do to Make it SOMEONE but not ,,Tracer/Sombra but weaker" us to rework him as a tank,alse he will become boring,dead on meta and forgotten even by his biggest fans(Even necros prefer marvel rivals and OG OW,cus even in his raw state without Deflect cancle and with dash which selfstun u,and even spider man and black pantera are more Genji then Genji RN) Personal balace sugestion: Dash and Blade attack hitbox increase(RN everyone got dps buff cus of 9 season hitbox rework, Genji which deal dmg 50% of time with Shurikens and 50 % of time with dash/blade in one shot combo really don't get so much from thet ,,buff") Blade longness increase(that 5 M fell like 2 FR) Surikens DMG buff 27-35/37/38(with that one shot will come back)+Blade dmg increase 110-120(nano blade will be back but Simple blade will be still slash+slash+dash combo) or dash dmg increase 50-60/70 and shurikens dmg increase 27-30-32-35(if 70 dmg 30 shurikens,so it will be total if 250 if 3 shurikens in head+dash,32 for 60 dmg dash,but it will be more then 250 the same combo,but it will do more confident killing or for 70 dash for more confident one shot,35 for more confident one shot with 60 Dash) Blade attack speed will be the same/0.8 attack per second to balance nano blade (one of 2 cus 0.9-1.0 will be way to hard to use with simple blade) This buffs will make all the Genji forms more kill potential, still skill needing and more usefull in fight cus dash resets will be more then RN,but it will be kinda OP for the start,but one season/half of one, Genji deserve to be most op DPS in game so far,after 5 season of being dead ofc, after might come hp Nerfs,maybe ammo nerfs,and maybe Deflect nerfs,or 1-2 dmg from shurikens nerfs to make his one shots right 250 combos,or maybe Ult cost increase,something of it will slow and steady make him just good +B-S tier but more importantly,again Genji(if u'll don't pin I'll be mad cus it took like 50 min to write it😅)

Haven’t played since Wifeleaver was added. Reinstalled for Classic. I’m totally addicted again. Haven’t even looked at 5v5, but I’ll give 6v6 a shot.

Learnt Genji classic better than whole ow2 existence even with the clunky dash

only the widow mains wanted no limits...

I LOVE OW CLASSIC, you can punish people for mistakes and they don't get bailed out by broken supports, there's actual tank exchange, and it doesn't take a million damage to get an elim. Would rather play this unbalanced mess that actually allows me to do things than play 5v5 role lock. It has it's problems (Widow and no limits) but it doesn't feel nearly as bad as the issues 5v5 role lock has.

As a Mercy main i forgot how weak old mercy was. I guardian Angel was super weak back in the day. Not being able to super jump or bunny hop with GA made Mercy feel so sluggish to play and very easy to get yourself killed. It was nice being able to mass rez again.

Watch GreedEU video....The devs are purposely trying to sabotage 6v6....they have 0 intention of making it a thing. They're trying to use it as a gotcha moment like "See told you it was bad".🤬 If there's no 6v6 the game is finished.

I've learned that in classic 5v5 vs 6v6 is trading control for chaos in 5v5 i have more control over the output on of a match on any role based on who i play. But 6v6 if you dont get the right comp things are un winnable it just appears more winnable becuase things die more often. 6v6 is also less stressful and you can afford to make misplays. 6v6 is chaotic fun where as 5v5 is controlled stress. I think 5v5 is the better mode for a competitive player like myself. I also think everyones tune is gonna change on the 6v6 test when every game is a doom hog mirror match up.

It was broken

Its because negativity is louder than being content or even happy, so clearly people are enjoying it but the people who dont will complain about it.

Classic is infinitely better than current ow version

What I learned from the 1.0 patch is genji is ACTUALLY GOOD. Shuriken dmg is 28 or 29, health pools isnt blown out of proportion, and his blade isn't a wet noodle.