Arrival Video: Heavy Fire Conditions in Hanover Twp, Pennsylvania - 1.13.23

[@shelbymccoy3936]

To the FF: If you did your best with what you knew, good for you. But, go learn more for the next time and keep on learning. Never stop learning. Stay well and stay safe. May God bless each of you because you come when we are in time of dire need.

[@ffjsb]

Pa. doesn't require much training or learning...

[@ccc530]

Big fire needs big water fast. That’s what deck guns are for. Knock down the bulk of the fire, then transition to hand lines. All they were doing was pissing on the bonfire. Let’s learn from this.

[@chrisgallagher3703]

If I may...I agree with you 💯 % ! But get rid of those automatic select nozzles Task Force Tips and run Straight Tip (or smoth bore) nozzles on your attack lines! Guys on the roof did a great job with the cut ! I'm assuming like everyone else that they were having hydrant issues 🙄! But if you have that much fire as you said go water...Go right to your tank water ! That's why ya have it, and use it through the deck gun from the street !! It's amazing how much fire you can put out with 750 or 1000 gallons can put out ! They finally got the job done and as long as all the brothers went home and the fire is out it's a good day Fellas!

[@engine2truck6]

Agree with all you said except the TFT. There’s a lot of value on interior attack of wood frame homes with aTFT

[@ccc530]

@@chrisgallagher3703 I have personally found TFT’s to be very good attack nozzles and swear by them- but after knocking down visible fire showing with master streams first.

[@JB91710]

You don't have to learn from doing things obviously wrong. Agencies like UL and ISFSI should be allowed to force all USA departments to do what they say as they are 95% correct and 95% of USA departments ignore them for childish and irresponsible reasons.

[@JB91710]

@@chrisgallagher3703 Smoothbore nozzles should be polished and used as decorations or door stops.

[@judis.1810]

Looks like they had a lot of water pressure problems. Shame, just a shame to see such a nice house go up in flames like that.

[@codiwonkanobi9788]

The fire fighters aren't there to save your house they're trying to prevent the whole neighborhood from going up into flames.

[@josephbyler4844]

Tank to pump, Frank!

[@snoopfurlow1275]

They should used a deck gun for about 5 minutes to knock the big fire down,then follow up with some hose lines

[@rachieroo05]

Or driver operator problems

[@ffjsb]

@@snoopfurlow1275 It wouldn't have taken 5 minutes, probably a minute and a half would've been sufficient...

[@paulladuke2259]

I'll never buys a house with an attached garage unless it has a first-class firewall between it and the house.

[@davidlenzi3551]

Fire can and have penetrated firewalls. The main purpose for these type on garages is to avoid going out in the weather to access the garage.

[@bradmagnuson6963]

It depends on when the house was built, as to whether or not it had firewalls. For example, homes built in the 60's, weren't required to have firewalls, because of the way fire laws, rules, and regulations were back then.

[@ffjsb]

All you have to do is add 5/8" drywall over the existing drywall, and make sure that there's no void space in the ceiling between the garage and house. Also a good fire rated door. That should give sufficient time to stop the fire from spreading into the house. Unless of course, you have a Pennsylvania Volunteer fire dept. that responds to your house...

[@davidlenzi3551]

@@ffjsb better to use a duble layer of 5/8 fireguard drywall it has a higher fire rating than regular 5/8 drywall. I do agree that the higher the fire rating for attached garages the better. Many of the materials used in todays construction if treated with Ammonium Phosphate would slow fire spread remarkably. Add the use of rockwool insulation and the fire resistance to structures will rise making it much harder for fire to spread.

[@ffjsb]

@@davidlenzi3551 Either way, usually only 5/8" is all that's required, so anything above that even if it's double layers of 1/2" is above and beyond.

[@davidodonnell207]

I was a fireman for 15 years and an officer for 5. I would say pumper training is in order here. I don't know if these are volunteer departments or not it should not matter. As an officer if your men are having trouble getting water from your truck you need to take over and problem-solve

[@NMFF415]

How do you know? I didnt see you in the video...hmmm perhaps another issue..idk!

[@Madmac96]

How do you know THAT was the problem? Were you there?

[@piushorning4869]

the people who commented about where you there I don't think they know the problem here. the truck driver engineer sure had a problem getting water to the nozzle. whether tis is a paid dept or volunteer, each man should be trained to know what his job is and the engineer should know that in the time it takes him to get hooked up that fireman on the nozzle will be ready for water and without hesitation charge that line. our dept trained for no lack of motion with out fault. if you were to hit a hydrant you charge as soon as you are connected and that engineer had better be ready with a clamp or hooked to the intake. that's where good training comes in

[@potatoesindrag4095]

@@NMFF415 First and foremost you get a asshole award, don't post troll comments. Second, as someone who comes from a first responder family, trained with a volunteer fire unit (town is to rural to have own DFH) . We are, like other members of fire house across the world can spot a shotty, miss handled fire department. What this guys where doing was wrong. Half weren't using their PBA (personal breathing apperatis) and very fact they had water issues, multiple lines out with no water flowing shows they either didn't train enough or weren't train well enough. Don't be a ignorant anus and type out of your ass.

[@NMFF415]

@@potatoesindrag4095 wow really you are a great firefighter! Thanks for pointing out the obvious about the fire ground issues they were having. I'm sure they would love to hear some more of your technical mouth vomit that makes them feel even more like garbage. Try some empathy and yes its obvious there's a lot for them to work on-they get it! You're a real nice non-binary whatever, pat yourself on the back armchair QB! Or should I call you Captain Obvious? Oh and learn to spell apparatus correctly-and its called an SCBA Captain Volunteer Obvious Moron.

[@edhaers5814]

Need to get water on fire quickly. Definitely need someone that can run a pump.

[@davidlenzi3551]

Water supply issues are not always the engineers fault. The other thing is under NFPA regulations the Engineer/Chauffeur/pump operator must qualify by completing the training required.

[@tealtornado9361]

@@davidlenzi3551 No tank??? Dump the tank!

[@davidlenzi3551]

@@tealtornado9361 Where did I say anything about the operation of this engine. You need to reread my comment.

[@kwv4865]

It is appreciated that there are some giving the knowledge of fighting fires from their computers 👍👍👍

[@Backnine907]

It appears that many of those hoses suffer from BPH

[@chrisbarryCA]

Someone should make a bingo game for these videos of PA volley FFs. Some squares include uncharged lines, BCs on the hoseline, FFs in partial PPE, FFs without SCBA in smoke, dangerously overweight FFs, the list goes on and on.

[@harPerhawk]

In regards to fat firefighters, I look around in my volunteer department, and I see about 50% are chubby to obese. This is America. This is what we are. They are still able to do the tasks at hand. But you worry about a cardiac event

[@michaeld.4521]

@@harPerhawk At least they volunteer unlike 99% of us.

[@harPerhawk]

@@michaeld.4521 totally agree

[@jimmythrow1769]

Funny the Chicago fire department no one wears scba it's just not volleys

[@jimmythrow1769]

Have you seen more than 80 percent of FF in paid city can't run a mile and if you make fun of the union call it elder abuse

[@cullen2106]

Thank you for youre survice you guys and realy do mean that you guys.!'

[@engine2truck6]

Some of this hurt my eyes. At least they made an interior attack and vented

[@JB91710]

Two things they should have never done before they PUT THE FIRE OUT!

[@fredbiden868]

vented and gave it oxygen to burn hotter and better..

[@cjritchie9701]

@@fredbiden868 crew inside, crew on the roof.

[@ericluebke2430]

A deck gun attack immediately followed by good water pressure would have made a huge difference

[@kristofersmith5476]

Deck gun for a garage fire 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jubelet]

20 millions dollars worth of apparatus on the scene, and they can't even charge the damn line. Reminds me of Grants Pass FD in Oregon.

[@chrisgallagher3703]

It looks like a serious lack of training and drilling...all that training is worth its weight in gold !

[@pamhofmeister2531]

Thanks!

[@adriangray7979]

Hey, I’m not an expert but I think it’s best to put lots of water on a fire, it’ll go out much quicker!

[@cjritchie9701]

Team was inside, you never want to have opposing hand lines

[@ffjsb]

Well they're not experts either...

[@ArchTeryx00]

This is a great type case for needing to use a deck gun. That might not have knocked down a fire this intense but it would have bought them TIME. Time they needed to deal with the water pressure issues, or get an alternate water source. Contrary to the old line from Backdraft, you *can* have a bad day on this job and nobody dies. It is hard on the properly, though. Learn, be glad nobody got hurt, and always try to do better next time!

[@ffjsb]

BINGO! That or at least put a 2 1/2" in the front yard with a loop.

[@Bigbluehawk2]

This video should be used for training. Just do the opposite of what these guys did and you’ll be right.

[@roberttraylor1392]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ffjsb]

Fact. But then again, Pa. has nearly none existent training requirements, so this is what you get.

[@Jimmythefish577]

@@ffjsb hey, but they’ve got lots of Roto-Rays and bells on their trucks. Nice to see they’re focussing on the important stuff…..

[@pamhofmeister2531]

Great video. Thank you to all firefighters.😊 Prayers to the family 🙏

[@j4y911]

I bet the pickup truck is still on fire to this day.

[@marktemplin1159]

So any video posted from pa needs county as well, Hanover township 🤔 there is more than one

[@597umfd]

Why didn't the primary hose go to extinguish the garage and the bulk of the fire? Afraid of "pushing the fire?" Tell me how that is going to make a difference in damage?

[@sonanddadchannelmostlydad56]

Belt straps and chin straps

[@redneckbryon]

When I first saw this video a few weeks ago I thought it was my neighbor's house they look very similar. I bet that truck would start and run and drive out of there, as long as the wires to the fuel pump weren't melted, it is a Chevy and clearly it still had power because the horns going off.

[@ffjsb]

The only place that Chevy is going is the scrap yard.

[@sebrame]

Uh...Chief, can I get a bit more water pressure here? * Looks up at his own helmet* Oh... never mind.

[@G-force_Motorsport]

The sound of that ute's shorted horn is quite something...

[@gregp3469]

Lots of training needed for this FD. if you do not know how to operate the pump ask for help. Several FF with not SCBA on

[@heyrod59]

HOLY NO WATER PRESSURE BATMAN ! !

[@rgking03ify]

The half worn scba is friggin killing me. As a Lt my guys would be sent back to truck or engine fire or no fire.

[@tomstout3645]

are these all volunteers?

[@Evan-bc6nb]

4:17 The ole slip, trip, and fall.

[@bobby_D]

Worst part of this is they had to listen to that horn the whole time.

[@vfdchauffer3606]

Big fire Big Water, come on guys, I have seen many videos of Catasauqua and come expect better.

[@robertgildea2841]

I am watching from Elmira NY Elmira fire department puts water on the right on arrival

[@poconos66]

there are 2 hanover twp's in Pa this 1 i think is near allentown area

[@leehuff2330]

Likely more than that. There are two just in southwest Pennsylvania- Beaver County and Washington County (and they are side by side). This, however, was NEITHER of those.

[@Rick-qk9os]

Never been trained to "run" with a ladder.🙄

[@Jimmythefish577]

4:20 when the dudes lid falls off and he gets back up and looks round for it 😂😂😂 comedy gold. What is it with fitefighters here in NA and their inability to utilize helmet straps? This would be funny to watch if it wasn’t so tragic for the homeowner.

[@teleteg787]

Lately there seems to be a growing number of house fires that start in garages. Today's vehicles have a lot of electrical and electronic components that present a significant fire risk even when the vehicles aren't running. More and more it seems that attacked garages and carports might not be such a good idea.

[@Redbug72]

🌊🌊🔥🌊

[@michaelferguson9136]

I kept thinking Bobby Boucher was gonna show up like....ma mama mama said we have all this fire but no water pressure in hoses...

[@mandyomally4896]

Again, firefighters not trained on what to do with "big fire conditions". That should have been hit with the Deck Gun right away with the first engine. But these new firefighters are only taught at burn centers to pull a 1.75 line on everything.

[@kennethschlegel870]

"big fire, big water"

[@ffjsb]

Pa. doesn't send their volunteers to fire academy's...

[@mandyomally4896]

@@ffjsbI was in Baltimore Maryland. All of Maryland departments put you thru the academy. Pennsylvania must be way behind the times, living in the 70's.

[@ffjsb]

@@mandyomally4896 Pa. is living in the 50's. Md. depts MAY put you through an academy, but it's NOT initially required before you start. I've seen some jacked up volunteers in places like PG county in the past.

[@notlisted-cl5ls]

that was a reel line fire when those tools first got there. they couldnt have moved any slower. by then, it took off.

[@charleskirby6143]

The pump operators should be on their game at the highest level and get the water flowing fast. The officer with the barely flowing line is really bad. Nevertheless cudos to volunteers everywhere! Great video and interesting assortment of apparatus!

[@4745jay]

When they say that all fires go out eventually, I don't think that was meant to be taken literally, guys.

[@johnkorin7473]

Sad. 2023 and guys still not putting packs on. Shame on you Chief.

[@michaellangdon5463]

WHAT!!! No SCBA???

[@bobby_D]

2:09 someone give this man some water pressure 😂please.

[@mr.joseph7806]

This is why you don't park and charge EVs in your garage.

[@DavidSmith-sb2ix]

Better than that, don't buy a damned EV, no matter what Sleepy Joe says.

[@michaeld.4521]

@@DavidSmith-sb2ix Spoken like a true Trumpanzee.

[@davidlenzi3551]

@@DavidSmith-sb2ix Are you aware that references to Biden as Sleepy Joe are in violation of the ADA. His speaking manner is dictated by a disability as he suffers from stuttering. Wake up and smell the roses David.

[@DavidSmith-sb2ix]

@@davidlenzi3551 Falling asleep in meetings and losing his train of thought and rambling on about fictional events in his life are not characteristics of stuttering.

[@DavidSmith-sb2ix]

@@michaeld.4521 No. Spoken like a person who has researched EVs and understands the technical problems, difficulties of providing power needed to charge them, environmental damage of mining the components of the batteries, disposal of old batteries, high purchase cost and fire hazards involved with EVs. People who live in apartments or homes with limited street parking and no off street parking would be unable to own a vehicle. That's partly what the push for EVs is about. You need to get Trump out of your head.

[@scottlokey3088]

Lots of expensive trucks and firemen - but no water on the fire. Waste of taxpayers money

[@mikeymcmikeface5599]

When will people stop over-zooming?

[@jeffbesotes6284]

First due and still no water on fire?

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[@Joshua-zl8xp]

Ttt❤

[@user-ry6xj6uc8q]

❤ Be careful with the 🔥 at somebody home 🏡

[@binky8501]

Fire trucks carry tank water for a reason. Use it!!!!!!

[@Sunburn2007]

I see lots of these videos always using the phrase “heavy fire”. How do they know how much it weighs? Who weighs the fire? What if you have a fire on the space station? No gravity, so it couldn’t be heavy, could it?

[@chrisgallagher3703]

Last thing, you Fellas need to do a ton of Drilling (training) There's never enough learning Fellas...it looks like ya had a few issues but got the job got done and as long as the fire eventually went out and all the Brother went home then its a good day! I'm not knocking or Monday morning Quarterbacking you guys, sometimes a job like this will teach you a ton in the future!! Just use this video as a future training session!! Oh one last thing lol...get rid of those damn automatic nozzles and run Straight Tips on your Atack lines, the difference is Insane!! Im not saying they don't have a place but not on a job like this !!

[@engine2truck6]

This is the job where TFT works perfectly. Much better than a straight smooth bore.

[@mikekolczynski5665]

They were hitting the hydrant. Should've used the deck gun for a good knock down.

[@hillbilly4555]

Wow no water. Call the national guard

[@nikkidunmire5466]

This company hasn't lost a foundation yet

[@totallydelirious6095]

What in the Pennsatucky is going on

[@josephlacarrubba8219]

Urban renewal

[@rachieroo05]

Deck gun

[@timothyharris377]

To all you "experts" complaining: You are correct, they may not have been doing everything 100% correct, but they are putting in the effort with what they have. A lot of these volunteer services are very underfunded and do as much training as they can afford to do and buy as much equipment as they can afford. Its easy to sit there in your chair and criticize but I guarantee 70% could not or would not do what these guys and gals are doing FOR NO PAY!!! Lot of you wont do your job for pay, much less no pay.

[@henrywolford3672]

I can pee with more pressure then that line had

[@williamheath5304]

Well it is PA.

[@davidlenzi3551]

risk little to save little, risk much to save a lot. Structure and vehicles were fully involved on arrival. Exposure issues not a factor. end result fire was extinguished everyone went home safe, Former firefighter BVFRB where we had no deck guns (tax revenue limited).

[@mcmullinyardhaunt]

The garage was fully involved but not the house on arrival.

[@PeaceToAll-sl1db]

malpractice to not show up with a deck gun

[@mcmullinyardhaunt]

@@PeaceToAll-sl1db I do know a lot of departments do not have them for whatever reason?

[@JB91710]

"risk little to save little, risk much to save a lot." Do you have that tattooed on your chest? The HOUSE wasn't an issue??????????????? I don't think your town would want you bragging about where you were a fireplayer.

[@JB91710]

@@mcmullinyardhaunt He doesn't pick up on little things like that.

[@alanattwood9416]

all firefighters around the world should not be standing still when there are fire they should be pumping water onto the fire and getting it out within minutes of a arriving up to fire

[@leightongalleries6057]

WATER. It's always water. Can anyone except FDNY ever figure this shit out??

[@alexwilson5136]

By the looks of this video the keystone cops would have had a better chance of saving the house

[@williamheber2118]

How sad that the operator cant get the correct pressure for that line.

[@ArmandoHernandez-dh3gz]

no breathing apperatus and no water

[@jodyrockhill7200]

Deck gun ? Break some windows to help out the guys inside ?

[@adams9264]

I mean woo. This was a disaster. Defiantly need some pump training and train using other equipment that you have on your rig. IE a deck gun would has darken the fire down a lot if not all of it. And i dont know why people run while on scene. Do you train to run while on a active scene?? the answer to that is no. Especially with a ladder. If there was a grade to give fire departments after each house fire. I would give this job a 3.5 out of 10

[@Joshua-zl8xp]

😂❤

[@jason27swg]

20 trucks ....one line ...you can piss more than the lines are putting out....pittyful!

[@rodgerpetrick6502]

Your missing the point. Most attached garage fires also burn the house. I own a house with a detatched garage, henceforth if my garage ever did catch fire my HOUSE would not cat ch fire. 1+1=2

[@Joshua-zl8xp]

R❤

[@greghilbert3013]

Needs water not hoses

[@mythos5809]

Needs 5 more chinamen and 2 buckets each...

[@williamheber2118]

Any day you want to get water on it.

[@billcook9313]

Poor equipment. Poor execution. Chief was not on the ball

[@letsgoblues7490]

Let's see guy knocking out windows no o2, then drops helmet, guy standing feet from a burning truck no face protection and no water pressure, guys on roof wait till they are literally on top of the fire to properly gear up.....good lord who taught them to cut and pull shingles, lucky they didn't fall through. Forget being outta shape, how about proper saftey training at least...

[@robertwalton7307]

big fire big water. Go by a hydrant at your peril. Deck guns only guys.

[@rodgerpetrick6502]

Attached garages must, I repeat must not be allowed. This is the result.

[@fatdaddio3796]

If you outlaw the attached garage, then you have to outlaw the kitchen, and the bedroom, and HVAC/water heater room, because fires start in every single one of these rooms.

[@JB91710]

If the drywall is 2 hour rated and you have a good and responsible fire department, attached is fine. Based on that last part, detached garages should be the law.

[@tomw7043]

SCBAs, deck guns, and 2 1/2" lines were invented for a reason; use them! First arriving engine(s) must spot hydrants, lay in, and establish a water supply quickly. If not in a hydranted area, the first-in water tender(s) should nurse the first arriving engine(s). Next-due water tenders can set up porta-tanks to support ongoing operations. Big water quickly will limit fire growth and buy time to set up strategically placed handlines. IC should have coordinated a systematic sequence of tactics. These folks were running around without clear direction and coordination of efforts. I am a recently retired Blue Card certified instructor and have seen this circus scenario play out too often with improperly trained and practiced departments. I'm not saying these folks were not working hard and trying their best, but it is obvious they are in desperate need of training.

[@moviemagg]

Too many cut aways. Why not just post the video taken from start to finish.....

[@mikemcilheran7212]

Could have saved it if you had red trucks

[@mothermarylspeaking8989]

Why why why why why was that one ff standing on the roof of a burning house putting on his face mask and covering his head? Why why why why why WHY?????????

[@slackjawedyokel1]

a million dollars worth of apparatus -a nickels worth of training

[@scottfoster2487]

Sure looks like more training is needed. Lots of safety violations and poor scene command.

[@superkart66]

why the big effort to vent that place, waste of time, it was fkin VENTING!!!

[@RM-od6hg]

I cant watch anymore of these fire videos its like fire depts dont care these days, dp yall train any?

[@kwv4865]

"dp yall train any"? 🤔🤔🤔 It is like people don't care about spelling?

[@Dragonballguy270]

That was awful to watch

[@rg6718]

Painfull to watch

[@firedogc2]

How much time was wasted in getting water on this fire is inexcusable. Doesn't matter whether your career or volunteer we owe it to the public to perform and execute. Please learn from this and get your folks some training.

[@IRISHHAGG]

Sad, get the bulldozer ready...

[@carlosbalbi2230]

No pueden ser un poco mas lentos!!!! El fuego necesita accion rapida, se pasan dando vueltas mientras todo se quema. SON UN DESASTRE!!!!😢

[@kevinhorne2646]

That first fireman looked like Dom Delouise in a fkkn sketch scene. What a clown show.

[@franklinwimpmink4013]

All the best equipment in world is not worth a dime if you don"t learn how to use it

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