'Arrogant' Saints called out for refusing help for Max King's goalkicking - Sunday Footy Show

[@worker-wf2em]

Matthew Lloyd, 3 times Coleman medalist who averaged just shy of 3.5 goals a game is offering some free coaching to your full forward and you say nah we’re good 🤔

[@alexjones9674]

Love watching Lloyds breakdowns, hands down best presenter on this show.

[@tb7667]

Just a really poorly run football club. If they aren't offering terrible contracts to players like Hill and Hanneberry, they are knocking back free offers of help from one of the greatest kicks for goal of all time.

[@TheLaughingMagpie]

Knowing St Kilda, they’ll probably offer $1M to Jordan De Goey

[@lukemate2783]

@@TheLaughingMagpie I reckon they’re more likely to give that to Dan Hannebery

[@TheLaughingMagpie]

@@lukemate2783 Hannebery is past his sell by date, they will probably insist he retires, they won’t get Amon, so De Goey is their bet

[@lukemate2783]

@@TheLaughingMagpie it was a joke chief

[@goat6651]

I don't understand why they wouldn't get help from a 900plus goal scorer

[@gustaaf1892]

That was the worst display of goal kicking from the simplest of positions I can remember seeing. Missing the whole lot with outright hooks and shanks was amateur hour. If the Saints think they have the expertise in house they have to sack that person, because he has failed Max and the club which has now cost the Saints possible finals football. Very generous of Lloyd to offer his services for free. Most ex-players charge considerable 'consulting' fees to provide specialist training sessions.

[@criddlegakes2650]

He was helping Daniher for free too, but Daniher rocked up late to the first session then not at all to the second one so Lloyd gave up

[@bro5469]

Loyd was the coach of King’s high school footy team, so they are mates. Just a favour

[@darrenmiles-morland8038]

Jarryd Roughead used to do exactly the same thing that Max King does whenever he was having shots for goal during his playing days. He was never a reliable set shot kick for goal. You can see where Max King gets it from. Roughead is the problem, the Saints ought to sack him, but they are too arrogant and stubborn to do so.

[@timbozelle6165]

Check his 0.7 performance earlier in the year

[@sonjakozman1699]

@Bro 54 so it's Lloyd who is responsible for his terrible technique! That's ironic.

[@rod7139]

If a professional footballer has to go outside of their club for skills assistance what the hell is the plethora of existing coaches doing?

[@tb7667]

It's a unique situation because Lloyd knows King from school football and he also happens to be one of the greatest set shots of all time. They are insane to be knocking back his offer to help.

[@davidallan4900]

@@tb7667 Exactly - so absurd. Yeah Jarryd Roughhead was good but unless you have plugger on the line I am taking M Llloyd

[@jimmyriddle5246]

Living on the gravy train

[@pk952]

Not much obviously!

[@raspanda8123]

Wait if I'm not mistaken M Lloyd worked with Levi Casbolt a little time ago when he was also struggling with set shots goal kicking at Carlton? Now Levi is an improved goal kicker

[@richardbehan8118]

Simple question. Why wouldn't you want Lloyd's help?

[@gustaaf1892]

Dumb stubborn pride.

[@AZ2PM]

Arrogance and ego. As a saints supporter, I'm tired of this club with 1 premiership in 150 years acting like they are above such help. Pull your heads in and humble yourself.

[@richardbehan8118]

@@AZ2PM I saw on the news tonight that the saints have come out and said they are open to getting help for outside the club 👍

[@Glyvenator]

I do like how they praised King for seeing the problem and seeking help, which is exactly what anyone should do in that position. I also appreciate how they basically gave a basic lesson free on air for King to watch without anyone from the Saints club being able to say anything about it.

[@aroy8094]

Not just for King mate, I've made my kids watch that as well. Very solid simple lesson

[@tmc3980]

Outstanding technical analysis Lordo. Made a meal of it Ratten.

[@purplehazeffc]

Doesn't matter what team you go for or what you think of Lloyd. But for any young player. That is easy, simple advise right there to follow..

[@tonyl6520]

I love matthew lloyd. he can say what ever he likes, cause he's done it all before.

[@MegaCaza1]

Max King has a very bad technique when you compare it to key forwards both in the past and present. He needs to change his technique, or else they'll go nowhere. If Roughead is in fact in charge of keeping Max King in check, then he needs to go. King has been plagued with poor kicking all season, if he kicked straight he'd win the Coleman by a mile. King clearly has talent, but his confidence is shot, and a poor technique will keep this St Kilda side from ever going anywhere, no matter what they do in the offseason. On a side note sheer arrogance again from Ratten. Has his favorites, and never challenges players besides a certain few. I honestly have no idea why they resigned him, funny how after he was resigned they've gone backward. If you can't accept criticism or feedback in the AFL as a coach or player you're not going to ever win a flag in my opinion.

[@kennedysan1045]

Roughy leaned back on his kicks, hope he's not passing that on.

[@darrenmiles-morland8038]

@@kennedysan1045 That's exactly what he's doing. Was Roughy ever a reliable set shot kick for goal? About as reliable as what Max King is these days.

[@Boomersh0t]

@@darrenmiles-morland8038 578 - 370 career G/B for roughhead

[@mattkearney11]

@@Boomersh0t Lloyd kicked 926 goals for 424 behinds. Monumentally better than roughy

[@jimmyriddle5246]

His technique is not all THAT bad. It's all in his head.

[@fromjarrod]

Can’t believe so many AFL players that can’t kick set shots. Maybe they should try lawn bowls or curling?

[@phillipmarnik]

I'm not a Saints supporter so I'm happy with his kicking style. Not being able to kick goals is great for the opposition.

[@jakesands7544]

Stupid comment

[@xpictos777]

It’s easy. Players never miss passes by that much. You just have to kick it like you’re passing it to someone behind the goal.

[@lesking5782]

I'm surprised they haven't approached the greatest full forward of all who had the best preparation when shooting for goal........and he played for the Saints!

[@zuenergy]

Lmao, Jay Schulz offered to help John Butcher with goal kicking at Port. Ken said no, but you won't hear about that from Kane

[@troyjackson9743]

and how did butcher turn out for them? So guess that gives kane a better perspective on it than most.

[@makembounce69]

Let's be Honest Butcher is No max King and his technique was way worse , dumb comment

[@zuenergy]

@@makembounce69 my point is that Kane won't criticise Ken Hinkley like he would other coaches.

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

Club must get him a proper goal kicking coach like Lloyd and pay good money otherwise the lad will continue to choke when lining up for set shots on goal.

[@LDSports933]

Darcy Fogarty might need to give King a few lessons in goal kicking. He's at a similar point in his career and already top 5 all time for goal kicking accuracy.

[@FactSpeakeryo]

How do you think it feels being a saints supporter, it legit hurts me seeing his early years go this rocky cause his potential is endless if he nails it.

[@mrbluey8184]

These muppets say our club has ego like who’s the ones talking honestly muppets

[@gavinbottcher9174]

They shouldn't need to bring in help they have multiple coaches if they can't teach them how to kick properly they should be moved on.

[@kymbo72]

Great analysis by Lloydy there

[@thevman5226]

I don’t understand how AFL forwards can’t kick straight in set shots. You look back over the years, some of the greats like Lockett, Dunstall, Fevola and of course Lloyd, were flawless. In one game Lockett locked 16 straight!!! As a forward it’s your job to kick goals and make that huge impact. Now days these pretenders are getting paid triple the money and feel they need to have a snap shot, from a set shot mind you, from 20 metres out. What’s happened to the game? It’s simple, players play for money not for the love of the game.

[@azzajames7661]

Screw Max, how about Matthew Lloyd works with Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow instead😜

[@maxkhan1786]

I agree with loyd completely saints have an ego problem

[@Babyzilla526]

Which is hilarious because we are such a flop of a club! Defensiveness borne of historical pain

[@maxkhan1786]

@@Babyzilla526 couldn't agree more they've come along way but still a long road ahead I think another 2/3 seasons and they'll be a consistent threat.

[@gregmayo6987]

St Kilda just playing slow boring footy... The coach won't be there after next year

[@tcmx712]

Obviously didn't see the game on the weekend because that certainly wasn't a slow boring game of footy by the saints at all. The saints started slow then gave it to them later with immense pressure

[@mattl9831]

If St.Kilda were a English Football Club, they'd be in the 4th tier. Absolutely a small club with a losers mentality.

[@wayneperry7413]

Remember watching Lockett, he used to really lean over the ball

[@DB-sc2hg]

I barrack for them and they frustrate th3 hell out of me. Same ........ different year.

[@thatmightyskywalkermullet1141]

Get rid of damo & tj. Your ratings will spike. No worries. Edit: and kane 👍

[@mrbass1310]

Fancy a professional footballer needing help to kick straight haha is this serious? Its like an english teacher needing spelling lessons. Poor old saints

[@andrewr.4496]

Lloyd failed to teach him properly at school, try someone else. Max is a future great, he should be leading the Coleman Medal.

[@mrbluey8184]

22 years old, you blocks didn’t hit your prime till u were 28 give him a break. And how does a team who has won 1 flag have an ego muppets

[@brettmoyle1195]

So we got 2 more years of rattens blank stare at the game ..here it is ..Sinclair into the middle permanently..hill on wing permanently..giv king a run in ruck drop Marshall to full forward for spell ..put sharman at full forward swing king to centre half forward rotate with membrey ..Owen's and windhaiger in pockets ..do u ever think at all ratten !!

[@aroy8094]

While it's stupid to not allow Lloyd to coach king, I get it wanting to keep it internal but why not go approach someone like Nick Riewoldt and get him the help he needs. I am not a saints supporter but the club is jeopardizing themselves and this kids career and it is shocking to watch.

[@lewislibre]

Riewoldt was never a great set shot

[@aroy8094]

@@lewislibre I can assure you he was better than max King

[@lewislibre]

@@aroy8094 haha of course but there’s a lot better set shots out there than Nick Riewoldt that you could get to help him

[@davidallan4900]

@@lewislibre Yeah like maybe..... Matthew Lloyd

[@pk952]

Reiwoldt was a terrible kickfor goal! Had a shocking ball drop

[@kingtyranius2207]

How can you play at the AFL level and have a flawed technique and expected to kick goals?

[@1983theiceman]

Leave the club go somewhere that will make you the best player you can be.... come to Melbourne ❤💙

[@Cornman1959]

Ratten has just doomed the Saints again in the future. Everyone from the President to selectors and coaches need to justify their performances. This club's history is so poor, time for radical action, Tadmania.

[@divad23]

To be honest, King’s ridiculous moustache has to go. It was a fashion for 6 months 2 years ago. It’s done. It’s the last thing a 22 y.o should be spending a second on.

[@rowanwells3841]

We are a joke of a club

[@34pessimistic]

Jarryd Roughead?

[@Matt-cp9wh]

he cant kick goals because his technique is not good. its not rocket science

[@blahblah6227]

brett ratten a poor choice for coach, just mediocre at best

[@archiefox1414]

Kane Cornes makes this show worse. He is an absolute flog.