Arslan Ash Responds To Sonic Fox's Comments On Zafina

Arslan Ash and Sonic Fox got into it on Twitter... Or did they?
#sonicfox #arslanash #tekken8

[@NextyEros]

Learning to wave dash is the most important part of a playing a mishima especially kazuya since he is a 50/50 hard hitting truck. If you hellsweep too much people are gonna sidestep left which kazuya's weak side. Wavedashing tracks the enemy so even of they sidestep and you keep wavedashing you're gonna follow the enemy and set them up for a 50/50

[@Dark-qg4kb]

So I was wondering, is wavedashing useless for other charas ? Because ngl, I never a saw a single king or hwoarang wave dash. Even tough it seems like a really strong movement tool

[@Retibra]

@@Dark-qg4kbtheir tools out of wavedash aren’t nearly as scary or potent as Mishimas. Not point in doing it if it doesn’t reward you greatly.

[@Kalyx]

Why hellsweep that much that people download you?

[@NextyEros]

@@Dark-qg4kb you won't see them wavedash that much because it's not part of their gameplan or character kit to put the enemy in a guessing situation. You'd use the wavedash to close space , king is a grappler and hwoarang is a rush down character. If you're using hwoarang and you're wavedashing your enemy would expect a sky rocket so it's not in your favor to wavedash so that you don't make predictablet and king has jaguar step and he is also just king.

[@Evilj82]

Watch Anakins video about giving up his secrets . He directly said don’t worry about wave dash lol.

[@gamrage]

I think MainManSWE provides a lot of information on how to play the Mishimas. Most of his life is dedicated to Kazuya.

[@Ilinca6]

💀

[@realmjumper8154]

I legitimately can’t take anything Sonic says seriously tbh.

[@ultimatelifeform882]

@@eldjhumszweszjaare you jeaIous of Sonicfox?

[@aegismalkav8057]

​@@ultimatelifeform882Ah yes because everyone wants to be a gay furry who's good at fighting games.

[@smuriom376]

He's not just good he was the best at anything he ever played professionally. Multiple times multiple games all at the same time. You'll never be the best at anything so you are here hating 🤣

[@aegismalkav8057]

@@smuriom376 Thats a clown opinion, i dont need to be a director to hate on a movie or a developer to hate on a videogame. I would rather be Daigo a thousand times over than him.

[@smuriom376]

@aegismalkav8057 the point is you will be neither. You are understating him as a gay furry who is just "good" at fgs when we are witnessing and have witnessed one of the most singularly most talented fgc members in history. You clearly have a lot of anger in your life man, hope you get over it all happy valentines

[@Aesc1016]

All characters in T8 are strong reason why Zafina and others are being ignored is that there are other picks that are way stronger in same archetype

[@acecun6202]

Which is a problem. While there ARE characters in the same archetype the fact that the characters that reside in the same archetypes as the more popular characters don’t offer anything to make them stand out or worth using anymore when others within the archetypes have better tools to facilitate a winning culture

[@itstimeforafuckingcrusade]

​@acecun6202 Right. Why play Zafina when Xiaoyu and Feng have better tools? They nerfed her backdash, which was her key tool in t7; she could do a move, and as long as she was -8, she could avoid being punished. They removed a bunch of evasive moves from her mantis stance and combo extenders from her scarecrow stance. They also nerfed her damage. She's still decent but not as good as her t7 counterpart.

[@KARS215]

Characters like Zafina, Eddy, Lei, etc. who have stances and elusive moves that take away half your kit are very powerful against players who don’t know specifically how to fight them. The issue is the players who do understand it can deal with these characters easily. If Sonic takes her in tournament vs real killers he’ll get bopped.

[@symonheiloguu]

You definitely can't deal easily against Lei. Completely disagree with that, Lei is actually really strong. As a matter of fact Arslan and Atiff lost multiple times against Lei in tournaments on Pakistan, where Lei is very played.

[@MattTein]

The thing that makes Lei "strong" is honestly because he's such a huge Knowledge-Check character. And nobody care enough to learn the matchup (+200 moves?!! Hell naw) so, I guess that's why Lei do so well online and in some tournaments.

[@symonheiloguu]

@@MattTein Lei is a very fundamental character, and as I mentioned, both Arslan Ash and Atiff lost many times against Lei, Arslan even knows how to play with Lei, so it's not Knowledge check, it's not just "Oh he doesn't knows the matchup", Lei is actually really strong.

[@KARS215]

@@symonheiloguu it’s definitely still a knowledge check like he said. The character can be strong, but the way he works is still unconventional compared to the rest of the cast. Harp on that all you want. Everything I said is still absolutely true.

[@symonheiloguu]

@@KARS215 You can use the knowledge check argument with any character, specially on Tekken 8 where everything is 50/50.

[@OctopusH2O]

I think Sonic should just play the game and shut up, its not for him to speak about tier lists, let the Tekken OG’s do that, afterall, who would trust Sonic over people like Arslan,Jeondding,Knee,JDCR when it comes to Tekken ?!

[@arjunratnadev]

dude I wish MK was that great game we would all be talking about right now, but alas NRS has disappointed

[@faisaalkamara4181]

bro same goes for diaphone, j wong, leffen and a bunch of other pros for different games having takes on tekken character strength and the general game. im not at pro level but i am at least a high level player so seeing some of these takes baffles me and makes me worried for the new player experience

[@rheawelsh4142]

Literally what's the harm? People online say random bullshit and have weird opinions about characters every day, not like they're seriously going after people for not agreeing

[@OctopusH2O]

@@rheawelsh4142 no harm of course, but i feel like Sonic’s ego is making him look like a clown sometimes, i get that he’s a very talented fighting game player, but sometimes you just have to shut up and be a student, can’t be a teacher all the time

[@OctopusH2O]

@@arjunratnadev i know, you don’t know how hyped i was for mk1, felt like a kid again, but then after 2-4 months I realized how the game is poorly made, also playing Tekken 8 made me open my eyes on how a fighting game should be deep, big movelists, more outcomes and better mechanics, i used to love music in mk but mk11 and 1 have trash music compared to the bangers in Tekken, don’t let me start on the menu and customization wich i know alot of people don’t care about but i prefer having a polished product rather than a poorly made product that only relies on gameplay

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

As a Zafina main I can assure you she has been nerfed into the ground. Most people don't seem to realize that what made her s-tier in 7 was her movement, that's gone, and with that gone she is not s-tier, and I would be fine with that. It's the thing everyone was screaming for them to nerf, but they went further than that. She's had moves completely removed, her best poke put into a stance, damaged reduced on all her 1+2 moves, and counter hit property taken away from a key move. Her new move, and all her claw moves now cause her damage and if you use the new move in most combos your combo will do less damage, what's the point of this move? It's a significant nerf. And sure people win with bad characters, that's nothing new.

[@just_2swift]

Main Man would clap sonic out his fox suit 😂

[@kiddalmatiangawd8389]

😂 easily

[@friends4evrr]

fax

[@zazaza1000]

Um, but will Main Man actually do well in an EVO tournament for once?

[@just_2swift]

@@zazaza1000 don't know but well ALL KNOW he folding sonic

[@zazaza1000]

@@just_2swift I mean, Sonic is new at this, but has proven to be pretty good at FG's. TMM's life is basically dedicated to Tekken. I'd say I'm not much of a fan or hater of either, although I watch TMM's videos sometimes as he has good content, but if SF is given enough time, I'd say it could be a close one at least

[@israelpereira2088]

I don't like SonicFox behavior on twitter but some people are just making all this Zafina thing in to a big deal for no reason at all.

[@OctopusH2O]

Ninjakilla might win something in the future, he played Tekken before playing mk and he is quite good, of course not EVO good but he is way ahead of Sonic, his fighting iq is also very good

[@333xtr]

bro turned the video into a total yap sesh😭😭

[@5686darryl]

😆😆😆

[@ryuno2097]

Mike has the tendency to yap and repeat himself. 😂

[@via_negativa6183]

Sonic fox is a clown, I main Kazuya and sub Zafina and I thought she was overrated in tekken 7 and is arguably the worst in the game now. She is the least played character at this point and no one knows the matchup and most people don't try. She has abysmal punishment and crap damage, crap damage you literally have to spend your own life to achieve same goes for her new moves that you have to spend your own life to use for little payoff. I use a Korean stick for kazuya and if you are serious about the character Recommend it because it's snap back to neutral lever makes execution way easier. But I'm not sure kazuya really even needs wave dash in this game. They have made his barrier to entry lower than ever. Ff+2 and D1+2 is probably all you need to get through the lower ranks, although I did think learning the 3,1 crouch dash cancel is arguably more important now and is very hard for some people. Btw feng is still good....

[@just_2swift]

Feng is slept on.

[@clippsz]

@@just_2swiftfr I tried him out yesterday and I was clapping all the reinas and kings 😂

[@hertert7710]

The whole video is about how you shouldn't take Sonicfox's opinion seriously because he's not a top player, and here comes a random youtube commenter trying to tell people what's what.

[@cosmedcarton]

​@@hertert7710your comment didn't add nothing to the conversation. I would prefer a random youtuber comment sharing his point of view about his character than a random nobody like You complaining. Say something useful or just shut your little mouth.

[@thetrickster4899]

​@@just_2swift Feng is in a lot of pros Top 5, Arslan and Knee included.

[@coreyrachar9694]

I have never cared much for sonicfox either. In fact there was a time when I probably outright disliked him and definitely wanted him to lose. Everyone said 'he's just an injustice player, it doesn't take any skill to be good at that game'. Then he came and wow'd the NRS scene with his complete domination of both MK and Injustice. 'He's just a scrubby NRS player, if he played the real fighting game vets he would be put in his place for sure.' we said. Then he came and wow'd the anime scene with his incredible victories in DBZ fighterz. 'It's a new game, not even a big deal' we said. Then he came to my game. He came to guilty gear. "Ok, no way he can stand up to the legacy of the long time guilty gear vets. GG is the real deal, this is where it ends." We said. We were wrong. To the dismay of me and my "scene" he won time and time again. He pulled off the sickest comebacks, the sickest reads, the sickest mindgames. We ate our words. I realized you don't have to like someone to respect their skill. For real, this dude is not to be underestimated. I'm not saying you're wrong about the skill ceiling of tekken, but the dude has proven himself time and time again. You shouldn't write him off. Remember also there was a time when no one believed in Pakistan, or in Arslan.

[@juiceeer3320]

Tekken is not other games

[@coreyrachar9694]

@@juiceeer3320 Well underestimate him then lol. But you might eat your words. And if you think there is no transfer of skill from 2d to 3d fighters then you are 10000% wrong.

[@kileddy436]

Thank youuu!!!! Exactly!! Spoken like a real G

[@imarock.7662]

Exactly

[@hunchosett]

Woah hold up a non biased, sensible take? In a KZbin comment section? Bro ima have to pull a Dale and say Get that ass banned💀💀💀 (Im joking dont shoot me)

[@BullC6]

My Thoughts on Zafina (Rant Warning): I had 5 True Tekken Gods in T7 one of them was low tier Gigas. Zafina is that low tier for me in this game. Her wall carry AND damage is the worst, her frames are some of the worst in the game now (-5 df1 which means you can't step jabs) with some of her key stance transitions gone, key stance strings gone, her main counter hit from mantis no longer launches if you commit to second hit, they made her punishment worse when she already had bottom 5 punishment in T7, Doesn't have any fast homing attacks and they are all locked behind stance or ff input, Removed her main approach/keepout low from neutral and locked it behind a stance you can't block in and it's STILL launch punishable. Made her safe slow powercrush -14, slowed her fastest counter hit by a whopping 2 frames. She can't backdash out of big pokes after interactions with a single backash anymore which was her main strength in T7. Her scarecrow stance is buffed due to claw stuff but it's a double edged sword, and main risk free way to apply it is through slow ff3. I could legit keep going...there's even more. And Sonic fox said that Zafina is OP in heat and because of df3,4 launch pickup at specific wall angels? Bro she does get better in heat but compared to rest of the cast it would still be bottom 5. Only thing she gets is armor on three claw moves...in stances and you don't delete 15 recoverable health everytime you use them. You can only use them twice (practically) before heat runs out and none are launchers or heat engagers. And they are -9. She doesn't get anything that lets her continue pressure in heat like most of the cast. Oh and bully for me that my 15f punish launches 10% of the time. She does get 50/50 in scarecrow in heat but again only true 50/50 if you go off a punish or ff33. Her only real buff in T8 is that ss1+2 has a very strict combo pickup on counterhit. Rest are all nerfs. She's a lot more fun now for me especially with claw moves giving her that uniqueness and she's not a bad character. Just that at least 80% of the cast is better.

[@Fereshtey]

There’s no f33 in scarecrow anymore, the tekken 7 f33 is now generic 33 in tekken 8. Old scr 33 is gone. It’s now mid high. Her scarecrow claw move isn’t heat engager but her mantis and trantula claw moves are heat engagers. Rest I agree.

[@LoneTaurus82]

@@Fereshtey You aren't wrong about her exclusions. Although SCR df1 doesn't heat engage her SCR 2,1 claw attack does which is guaranteed after ff3 on CH. Her SCR df1 is used as a combo extender mostly and for wall flip re-splats.

[@MalachiNsX10]

My personal take on Zafina is that her toolkit is still mostly intact and she still has a strong mix up game, it's just that the entire roster got tuned up to the point where she feels much weaker in comparison. Combo damage is much lower and she has to sacrifice health. Moves were completely taken out, punishment is weaker, compared to everyone else. She not horrible, the roster is just more viable.

[@MistWarrior8633]

by the way, there is a set that happend few days ago between Mainman and Arslan, you can watch it in their channels.

[@MannerdDesert7]

I’m a Kazuya main. First thing first, do not focus on EWGF, it’s great when you master it but while you are learning you will very rarely land it. Normal WGF is also something you should not focus on, it can be a great launcher on punish but you need the right distance & timing, I know the urge to always WGF is strong but only use it when you know your safe. In terms of play style play him defensively, his best launchers are DF2 on Counter hit & 1,2 or 2 while rising which is easiest after a duck. Also while not optimal D1+2 on counter hit can combo into 1+2, 1+2 for decent damage & is a pretty good low by itself. FF3 can launch but getting the spacing right is very difficult, you can get full launch punished if you mess it up. Probably best to use after a sidestep. Mix with hellsweep so they don’t always block high. Once you launch your best beginner combo is 3,1,4, DF1,DF2, Dash, 3,1,DF,3 It’s not optimal but it’s consistent, optimal requires canceling 3,1,DF which is difficult. If you don’t think you can do 3,1,4 in time or get an unexpected launch just go from DF1,DF2, it’s a pretty forgiving combo extender. For single strings B2,2,1+2 & B2,4,1+2 can catch low level players off guard but won’t work on high level. 1,1,2 & 1,2,2 are good punishers 1,2,4 is a good low damage low mix up for characters that block often especially if they have low health but don’t use too often or they will get used to it Obviously hell sweep is great for mix up but be careful as the high execution makes it risky & lag can make you miss input. DB1,2 is great for oki & punish & is the best heat engager, during heat rush use Dragon God fist, Hellsweep 1,1, grab or Heat Smash (if you want to play it safe). After Heat engager play it safe, most of Kazuya’s heat moves are risky, FF2 is a great punisher that doesn’t use heat bar but it can be hard to get timing & spacing right against high level. Finally if you’re opponent is just blocking everything then throwing out UF4,4,4,4 can take them by surprise, even High level players tend to fall for it at least once as it’s such an unexpected move & can hit unexpectedly if the first hit misses. Also DF4,4 can be an unexpected punisher, it’s low damage but pretty fast. Other than that it’s just practice, Kazuya is a very high execution character, even if you know all of his moves & when to use them you can still be shit because of slow execution. Keep it up as he is a very fun character to play even if he is kind of low tier.

[@SID-ZERO]

Reina tip

[@rickberny1424]

Honesty bro, dont take this the wrong way, but ill take knees and arslan opionions (Both multi TWT champions) over yours and sonic fox.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Of course. I'm just spit balling. Arslan is gonna have the more informed opinion.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

​@@RealMikeHollow Arslan main Zafina before in Tekken 7 from what I heard. I would definitely understand why he would call her weak or trash here since he knows the character far better than Sonicfox could even dream of lol. Honestly if anything Sonicfox would actually need to prove it to Arslan the most if Zafina mains are also saying she's weak I don't get what Sonic fox (who never played her before he played Kuni in 7) even have a major stake in that. I wouldn't be surprised when Knee who faced everyone at a high level called her trash is thinking from a High level mindset. No character can win but the path to get there Even consistently is hard. We see Panda win 1 tournament that blew up the Internet but we haven't heard much from that. If he won with her again that would always be amazing. But Akuma, Geese ect are more common and won Majors more than Pandas appearance in every Tekken game. So if SonicFox can prove Zafina is capable in a tournament environment than more power to him. But I can't take Sonicfox's words with any Merritt since he likes to make bad takes and never follow through on it and has the "Trust me bro" energy.

[@Ocean5ix]

Sonicfox didn’t direct that initial tweet at anybody. He’s a FG pro player and he has the right to share his opinion. Just as the Tekken OGs have the right to challenge that opinion. I think people take what Sonicfox and these pro players say too seriously. They live in a pro player bubble, they’re friends or at least know each other enough to know that they can make a bold statement and have fun with it. Meanwhile everybody else on the internet getting offended FOR the Tekken OGs without even knowing how they actually reacted to the tweet.

[@terminhaider9695]

idk if anyone mentioned this. But MMSWE did play against AA on a stream together Kazuya vs Azucena/Reina respectively. The matches were close enough that I could argue MainMan could perform well in a major tournament. But he'd probably learn someone who is more tournament safe anyway like most pros do which is why Kazuya isn't a common pick in the pro scene

[@aFutureSelf]

Last major tournament TMMSWE played, he placed 97th. That was 5 years ago just as the Pakistani players started showing up on the scene. I wouldn’t factor that super high ping/latencymatch against arslan too much though. The latency difference affects how these high level Tekken players perform to the point they even have tier lists separated by PC and PlayStation due to latency.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

​@@aFutureSelf Tbh he also played Knee in TK7 and he did well and both him and Arslan give Main man his props and say he can be a very strong Tekken player.

[@terminhaider9695]

@@aFutureSelf sorry I didn’t mention latency was a factor. But anyone who goes to a few tournaments to begin with doesn’t perform well. He could easily train to be so, he chooses not to as a content creator instead but I glaze him anyway as a fellow Kazuya main so I admit my bias. Anyone who mains Kazuya is an absolute chad in fighting games.

[@Nameless.Hermit]

​@@terminhaider9695he was the secret boss in a tournament about 2 years ago and he was playing trash with Kazuya - tmm isn't even close to being a good tournament player.

[@solrac4270]

As a Zafina main at high level in t7, she really feels weaker. She's is different for sure and thats not the issue. The problem is that her changes just doenst seem to make sense. She lost many moves, including stance transition moves, her combo dmg is lower, the movement is overall better (wich makes hers less impacting) there are no true wall-less stages. And the most bugging is that her new stuff, is not necessary. Why use a a self damaging move if that move doenst give you any real advantages? Her dmg is higher without it then why have it? Her sucess is not only determined by her strengths or weaknesses but also (and this is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT) her unpopularity and weirdness. Yoshi was bad in t7, but managed to be present competetively due to his unpredictable gameplay. They are heavy stanced based characters with many mix ups, tons of knowledge checks, and weird animations and also pretty rare at high level. With that said, t8 yoshi is way stronger than his t7 counterpart, while zafina feels just weak and not just different. Even IF he has sucess with her competetively i would not be convinced that she is really that strong. Almost everybody in this game is busted, she is definitely not on par with the rest of the cast.

[@ReneGade405]

My problem with wave dash is not really knowing when to use it as jin

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

I been playing Tekken for 30 years i am 43 years..I main Lei Wulong since 2nd installment of Tekken..Fast Forward to Tekken 6 i added zafina to my main with lei..Tekken 7 i main zafina with lei again..In Tekken 8 before she was announced..I was already going to main Azucena,Ling, sub jun,Asuka..Current characters i played and counting Azucena,Jun,Asuka,Jun,Claudia,Leroy,nina,Hworang,Victor,steve,ling,Zafina..Am i saying zafina is bad because they took away some of good moves?No.Am i saying she bad because they destroyed her movement?No.Am i saying she bad because they took her best low Back 1+2 and threw it in tarantula stance?No..I am saying she is bad because she has nothing good and they just took stuff away..Her damage is weak..Movement sucks..Moves removed..And her gimmick is 🫏..wtf is sonicfox talking about she is broken in heat?Her azareal move df1..The same move in all 3 stances becomes a armour parry move..Thats it no combo just knockdown and you lose health from using the move and getting hit..And i aint even comparing her to the characters i mention who are all better then her..Just from her gameplay and gameplan alone for Tekken 8 she is garbage..Her frames are 🫏They took and took and thought we will just replace it with these azareal moves.Sorry a mean azareal move..And that will make up from everything we took from her..This is the worse version of zafina in a game where other characters have insane tools..

[@roghider3552]

only tip i can say about wavedashing is just constant practice, i struggled before then it just suddenly clicked one day (im on keyboard)

[@TooSweaty7]

I main this chick literally a lot of the strength comes from knowledge checks. Her punishment is awful and her damage is awful. People just freeze up in fear when they see her doing a bunch of crazy stuff and get CH. Ling does that job better by miles

[@via_negativa6183]

Yeah trick with zafina is stay calm and block up. Her damage is not threatening unless you get Counter hit.

[@petercottantail7850]

3:30 about 3 years ago, there was a pattern in tekken 7 that arslen of all people pointed out that he thinks the devs were without fail nerfing any character who won a major tournament. Even bear who was considered a low tier was nerfed. arslen was against this type of practice when he talked about it. We don't know for certain and it isn't necessarily what really was happening behind the scenes but that's where the idea might be coming from with this tweet here. it's still moronic to point a finger at anyone for a character getting nerfed, devs deserve the shade if it's unwarranted regardless, but not really a surprise considering who's follower it's coming from.

[@TheLenny655]

The characters being slept on the most are Jack, Jun and Xiayou. I played high rank Zafinas and they are still doing the same tricks, nits and settups as her Tekken 7 counterpart, what made her stand out from the rest of the cast in 7 was her insane back dash especially in walless stages and insane range of her moves to whiff punish you after she back dashes. However in Tekken 8 Korean back dashing has been significantly nerfed along with wall less stages as the developers are opting for more aggressive gameplay. This overall hurts a key feature of Zafina's gameplan. We have yet to see what Sonic has found that's so amazing cuz I'm sure Zafina mains are no slouch when it comes to labbing either and finding disgusting stuff.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Most Zafina mains are saying she's weak

[@wisdomseeker0142]

❤😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you betta preach !!!

[@crimsoncomet2209]

I can’t do electrics to save my life either. I’m playing Reina, zafina and Asuka. The last Tekken I played was Tekken 3d on the ds, so it’s impossible.

[@ryuno2097]

Reina has electrics. So i guess it's good to learn the electric for Reina. 😅

[@Ven_detta_]

I recently learned how to wavedash consistently (6+ in a row easily) and electric from it and what helped me was focusing more on the timing than the input, idk if this is going to make any sense but: F (break) D,DF,F (break) F (break) D,DF,F (break) repeat, once I understood this it was actually *really* easy to do, I could barley do one, then instantly I could chain them. Also start out slow, the problem I was having was trying to rush it when it's all about timing

[@Onheste]

If you want an in-depth analysis of Zafina's changes from T7 to T8 from a Zafina main in 7, check out FrameWhisperer's video on her. It's all there.

[@Urbanboy732]

Thats why i fucks with Tekken, even the seemingly weakest character is viable. Fuck their opinion. Do whatever the FUCK you wanna do

[@jl53588]

What is your discord? I have some tips on doing electrics if you need it for Kaz

[@ralphthemonster]

I kinda have to thank Sonicfox cuz what we got out of this twitter fiasco is two of the best Tekken players in the world calling Zafina trash, so maybe it’ll encourage Bandai namco to give her some buffs in the near future lol Be optimistic, Zafina players

[@obrians-brown1307]

Doing ok hope you fine too

[@RealMikeHollow]

Hanging in there. Gyms kicking my a** today.

[@obrians-brown1307]

@@RealMikeHollow was the same for me yesterday had to get sent home. im going back right now

[@RealMikeHollow]

@@obrians-brown1307 get that work 🙏🏾🙏🏾💪🏾

[@bayonetta8893]

She has been significantly nerfed on T8:( even her korean backdash that used to cover plenty of space on T7 got nerfed.

[@malikelliott8652]

Lol people forget sonic used to play tekken too. Before streaming

[@noambruh]

No...

[@malikelliott8652]

@@noambruh umm yea

[@TeamSESH_Bones]

I enjoy hearing you talk.

[@JustOdae]

If Sonicfox gets into tekken and gets swamped and complains, can we call it the Leffen Effect? Or Sonicfox Effect? Cause this whole situation screams "Leffen type shit" lol

[@leonelgarcia2651]

The fact that people are taking this seriously is actually hilarious, i will say Zafina is really good in tk8 but she's not as good as she was in tk7 imo (and this coming from a Tk veteran)

[@JobeLovo]

Yooo w for playing kazuya

[@TeamSESH_Bones]

I SUBBED BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WOULD BE ENTERTAINING TO SEE SONIC FOX LOSE

[@Bigdaddyblueballs]

For the electric just do it with the d-pad it’s much easier

[@via_negativa6183]

I disagree with this, maybe in terms of reliability, but play for a couple of hours and your thumbs are going to hate you. I can't imagine playing pad with kazuya specifically stick or cheatbox. If you mean in terms of analogue on pad , well yeah...

[@Bigdaddyblueballs]

@@via_negativa6183 i mean for electric only because it’s easier (for me) to wave dash on pad than just continue with stick (pause)

[@reservationatdorsias3215]

electric with dpad mid match out of movement is way, WAY harder

[@8minato]

@@via_negativa6183wait your playing tekken with the thumbstick🤣

[@clippsz]

@@8minatoit’s actually really good don’t sleep on the thumb stick 😅

[@videogamesareforever]

For WD, start with F, qcf,... slowly once, then slowly twice, then slowly twice... speped and momentum will build over time. Like anything else in Tekken, you need to grind. That is how I started, but no longer practicing any minishmas anymore. Warm up 30 mins in practice mode before hitting online. Later once you're comfortable, you can choose what you want to do after each CD.

[@sickwicked6640]

Main man did play Sonic in tekken 7 3 years ago.

[@blues4509]

I plan to main Kazuya when I eventually get the game too. So glad to see you have taste

[@SeniorHola]

If you use pad practice going from standing moving forward to crouching moving forward, so press forward and shift to down forward so you should be walking forward, than crouching while walking forward and just practice going straight into that from standing. Then once you get that down add forward neutral in front of it and you should be wave dashing

[@judecider]

If Zafina is top tier to Sonic then that's how he feels, maybe he's cracked the code to playing her effectively so good job I guess. However, I would enjoy watching Sonic get bullied in a Tekken tournament, I hope Ninjakilla participates in a tournament as well, he doesn't have to win and that's okay I'll still root for him, I just want to be entertained.

[@KILLzone_565]

Fox was solid in T7 using Eliza. If he can win some kind of major with Zafina, I’ll give him props. He’s done it before in NRS games using a “low tier” character, but there’s so many top level players in Tekken

[@ohmoe4385]

Imagine the tears if sonic even finishes top 8 at Evo in Tekken 😂😂

[@AftermathRV]

Thing with zafina is, everyone got ahpowerbump, amnd zafinas toolkit increased just like everyone elses did, but everyone else shines a bit more then her, and thus people look over her i dont get the sonic fox hate, hes been a meme for a while but, i think its unfair to, like, shittalk him for "being too enthusiastic" about tekken 8, even if he doesnt know what hes saying. I think his statements are perfectly fair and valid, but one should obviously trust arslan, who very much wanted to main zafina, very much played zafina alot, and very much openly said hes a bit sad about her state, I think the middlegrund might actually be the real answer here. And seriously people, sonic fox might not know shit about tekken but say what you want, at the games he played with, no matter how he played, eh was fucking good .one mans cheese is another mans world champion belt. If theres no counterplay, then everyone would have done it, if everyone does it or fails the counterplay, he is still better because he was an ex world champion. dont forget about just how much ehe would dumpster the average joe, that includes me. he has an incredebily high defensive fighting game IQ, and is incredibly fucking patient. Sonic fox might be a zoning cheeser but bo ofucking hoo. He wins, we lose.

[@videogamesareforever]

SF needs to understand that legacy skill shines in Tekken. We have Gods living Tekken for decades and even their victory is never certain. The in-game meta is not like the 2D stuff he is good at. It's a 3D game. Just the number of options one has for a single situation can now be over 10 in T8. Backdash, SideStep, SideWalk, Block, Parry, Reverse, Crush, Armor, Counter throw, Punish Throw, Rage Art, Panic Moves, ... and I'm sure I'm missing a few other options in this list. He should stick to what he knows or better be ready to grind Tekken for years which I seriously doubt he can.

[@TheKingOfRuckus]

Most people have an easier time hitting EWGFs and wavedashing consistently on one side. You're on left side here, try right side and see if that's better. If you stick with him you can iron out the kinks and work on being consistent on both sides.

[@bigdawg3162]

As crazy as this may sound, and hear me out here, learning wave dashing mechanics can come from playing Bryan. It may sound crazy but think about it like this. Most of his best moves come from quarter circle inputs. That’s how I got good at the wavu wavu. Also just practicing the qcf f input. Start slow)20-30 a minute) then move up to 40-50. Sounds weird but you’ll notice a change foing these things.

[@Switcheroo4542]

EWGF is apparently easier on P2 side, so it might be wise to change your settings

[@Judgementkiryu]

For me, I EWGF better on P1 side but I wavedash and 31 cancel better on P2 😭

[@Dyleniz]

Panda winning 2017 tekken world tour was so hype but half of it is rangchu playing her to her full potential an the other half is that both knee and qudans were so focused on each other that they forgot how to punish panda you can see it in game qudans trying to microdash electric as a block push certain moves and certain combos not working on bears

[@FirstNameLastName-rn7mp]

wouldn't use panda as an example for the "you can win with any character compettively arguement" since that happened once (year 1) and nobody been able to repeat the results

[@darkartist6074]

I’m open to hearing SonicFox’s perspective but he’s like the boy who cried wolf. For every good take he has, he has like 10 others where he called characters broken or OP just for Twitter clout. I still remember when GGStrive released and every other day it was him talking about how a new character is broken. Like, broken means BROKEN. It’s hyperbole for clout and it’s so transparent. Yes I get that he has a brand and needs to stay in the feed for his career but I’d respect it more if his takes were carefully considered and held weight.

[@toXXic501]

slow is smooth smooth is fast, take your time to perfect the inputs for the wavedash theres no rush take your time youll get it if you can electric you can wavedash

[@majinflaco8353]

Mainman had problems fighting low tier god recently. I wouldn't doubt Sonic i always did at one point lol

[@rrre-VA]

TBH I saw an article in realtion to Pakistan (unsure if true) but appre try the tekken 8 scene there is saying Feng Wei slaps.

[@aot9199]

Sonic my goat buh he does this wayyy too much..Every week another char top tier

[@williamastout2177]

Yes mate! Not THAT's a main.

[@ultimatelifeform882]

Zafina is Ultra Instinct-tier.

[@kahtanalobaidi1550]

I saw the main man wipe out arsalan ash online. I couldn’t believe my eyes but it happened.

[@TheFighter411]

I’ve been spending a BUNCH of time with Zafina the last couple days, and what I’ll say is this: if you know her moves and how they function in and out of combos as well as her stance transitions, she is not only VERY STRONG but tons of fun to play as. I say that to say this: EVERY character in this game has the potential to be GREAT. Just gotta find a way.

[@via_negativa6183]

Completely agree with this I play her cause she's fun but her weaknesses are GLARING

[@TheFighter411]

@@via_negativa6183 Agree with you as well that she most definitely has some weaknesses. Her fun factor thankfully eclipses them 😅

[@Doublejho]

​@@via_negativa6183 then please for the love of god share them, because i can't understand that character and don't want to lose to her

[@maintank785]

Keep up the ggs fam

[@think91]

For your wavedash, Think reverse KBD👌🏾f qcf f(f) qcf however many times you need and It should come out each time 🤘🏾(Reina main)

[@xan187]

doing qcf backdashes is worse than regular kbd, it increases the risk of you getting hit by a mid due to being exposed for 2+ frames while doing it, its better to do b, db, b but that will matter only if you're very good at kbd and dont waste any frames in the first place, i know its not related but just wanted to share it here lmao

[@eugenekale2860]

If I had 10% of sonic's talent in fighting games I wouldnt care what people on the internet say or think. The guy is great at most fighting games he picks up. He is undisputedly the best fighting game ever.

[@luminuslux]

so since start of tekken 8 i have almost exclusively been playing zafina and there is a few things that clearly stand out about her in my opinion: - her average combo dmg compared to many other chars is really low - some of her clawattacks are dissapointing, the reason being that she has to sac her HP for something that is just "acceptable" and not "good" or "amazing". using some claw moves in combos like df1 is pretty much a waste of your HP because you can instead use another move with similar properties and get almost the same dmg without sacrificing anything. - heat is the only time her claw stuff gets better, BUT compared to some other chars and their unique traits, she sucks up an INSANE amount of heatgauge if she uses claw moves. i feel like jun and zafina are quite comparable looking at juns laser stuff and zafinas claws and how they sac own HP, just that juns stuff is all really good and zafinas is just meh 😅 thats overall at least what i think bout zafina

[@randallhallii7315]

Zafina is good because she reduces the moves that her opponent can use down by a lot but with heat and strong armor moves you can over power her stance consistently and take back your turn. Another note, for better wave dashing check out the KZbin tutorial created by one of the best Mishima players Qudans. Here's the title : Qudan's Wavedash 101

[@SleepDeprivedOwl]

Kazuya is a mix up character, you want to 50/50 with hell sweet cd 4 and cd into fF3 when they stay on the ground go for fF4. Then you got electrics as whiff punisher or pressure.

[@graemeball6551]

Do the combo challenges in training there’s combos that mist step jus by holding forward I.e square then circle hold fwd

[@jonwhite549]

I say a bunch of pros have secrets tricks up their sleeves that they plan to wheel out in EVO and TWT. no major tournaments are out yet so ppl aren’t trying to show their hand. When the tourneys drop you’ll see ppls real mains. Arslan didn’t even start using Zafina until end of season 3, season 4.

[@erosenigma7]

Didnt Arslen Ash say SWE might just be as good as Knee after SWE beat Ash online?

[@andriy_tato]

It was a joke. Nobody thinks that TMM is as good as Knee, including TMM himself. Even pros lose to randoms in ranked, it's not a big deal.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

​@@andriy_tato main man and Knee fought on King Jae's channel and even Knee said MainMain is a strong player is not a scrub

[@abeltherosegod]

Did you not see his set with chikurin (TWT champion) at combo breaker? Sonic obviously isn’t top anything in tekken but they’ve definitely competed at a high level against high level competitors

[@TheDemonicdoll22]

I am no pro player by any means but I have learned Zafina and If you learn her properly she is vicious. I win a lot with Zafina and Lili.

[@funkrates4778]

To be fair with TMM, he's played both Knee and Arslan. When he played Arslan, there was too much lag, but he did beat Arslan. And TMM made it very competitive with Knee. So he definitely wouldn't be blown out of the water by those guys.

[@enenra6417]

Speaking of low tiers Tekkens always been like that, back in Tekken 5 Bruce was considered one of the worst characters in the game but he could still kill you if he touched you. Same with Tag 1 Lee he was a low tier but could still kill you if you got touched

[@BigKumaFishing]

For electrics just think of walk forward fire balls F, qcf 2

[@oflife6265]

Based. Thought you’d jump at the opportunity to clown sonic but you kept it classy.

[@Matt-ww9wv]

I think SonicFox will have to play the game on hitbox or keyboard to have a chance. That's the only way you can get godlike execution in Tekken quickly and compete. Otherwise he will be investing years into the game or waiting for a Tekken where movement is nerfed enough while simultaneously a set play mix up character is buffed enough the execution gap doesn't matter. SonicFox is a masterful player in games that reward set play heavily but that wasn't what won Tekken 7 tournaments because Tekken isn't balanced to reward that. Instead when players become strong the game orients more towards intelligent poking with incredible movement because anything else is likely either a laggy enough move to whiff punish for a half health combo or a blocked move that will be punished. He can get there maybe in Tekken if he works for it but it's a big knowledge gap for him, likely even a bigger execution gap, and even a bigger style gap at the highest level. You can unga bunga set up play your way to mighty ruler but the people that can block that same unga bunga and punish it are at the top. And they do that to every unga bunga in the game.

[@bored_god_slayer]

learn a wavedash by doing it slowly at first the speed will come with time and since i learned it in t7 i can say the same guides will work for t8 but i do ff d df f d df to start if u wanna learn i started with just that (one cancel) the next cancel might feel hard but once you get that one your golden and any more will start going ok then it is just training your thumb (if u are on pad like me) because your finger will get tired in the beginning so i did 10min workout with a break untill it felt ok again (edit: i can do it for hours at a time now)

[@Crisisadvantage]

I’m not an online player but im picking up on it in t8 but honestly the entirety of 8’s roster doesn’t have a weak character if you’re comparing it to the standards of weak in t7 imo, I haven’t played much since im not super consistent but I loved to fuck around with Leo in 7 but I couldn’t do well with him bc he didn’t felt that great but in 8 im already decided on maining him bc of how good he feels and I say the same for everyone on this roster just from a glance.

[@coolsea2689]

I only use fight stick to play fighting games but for tekken I have to use a pad. That's the only way I can wave dash. So if you're using pad, I tap forward, roll the tip of my thumb to d, df, then tap forward again. Did that a million times to get the motion down. Then just repeat over and over. So I guess in the inputs it would like look, f, n, d, df, n, f. Then just keep repeating d, df, n, f. I'm still new to tekken and this was hard to explain but I hope it helps even a little.

[@8minato]

TMM undersells himself he definitely can play competitive for sure he did fight arslan and win some games but it was bad connection for arslan more than tmm. He definitely has one of the best kazuyas in the world.

[@maninblack3410]

I’m new to the tekken scene, but I just watched a video of him struggling against ltg… does that mean ltg is pro level on tekken? Or, something else I’ve been wondering, is tekken just so complex that “pro level” gameplay can’t be that consistent?

[@cryhfox-gamingandanimenews9992]

@@maninblack3410hé played arslan ash on a two bar connection. Makes no sense to base it off that lmao

[@maninblack3410]

@@cryhfox-gamingandanimenews9992 ah, okay

[@cenncenn9765]

tmm is an online warrior while Arslan is not.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

​@@cenncenn9765 both physically entered tournaments

[@QuetzalcoatlTK]

I’d say she’s strong but she’s very difficult compared to the rest of the cast who has been buffed significantly. I do think she needs a slight re work. Between her low damage and her core moves doing damage to herself it feels like an up hill battle.

[@deathonadinosaur]

Mainman has fought Arslan and did ok but online is different i suppose.

[@sj3614]

Tekken is a game where I feel veterans dominate the scene, pro players don't fall off like they would in SF or Smash, Though Arslan came outta nowhere in evo, he had years of experience in his local scene and played mostly offline. Don't get me wrong though, I see sonicfox becoming a good player if he plays consistently even if I find him to be kinda annoying.

[@MiiMagus93]

I believe the theory behind tekken terrible. Because jack 8 is just considered middle of the road or average as far as fighters go but ever since ive played with him intensively theres a ton of potential in him that just screams winning material. Mikes right about the whole tekken terrible theory. One persons main could be god tier to someone elses trash.

[@claudimerro]

YEah Panda did won the TWT finals but ppl seem to forget that Panda was not a very playable character so i could very well be lack of knowledge from Kudans and others. Why must ppl know how to deal with Mishimas? Because they are the most played and most labbed. Thats just my opinion

[@imarock.7662]

You disagree with what Sonic is saying but dont underestimate him. Hes been written off many times before, and made us eat our words.

[@x0x0skiller2]

Sonic already smacked up main man on tekken 7. I get the sense that people in the tekken community want to put down a GOAT of what they look at as a lesser fighting game in mortal kombat, not to mention everything controversial about thing as a person. Sonic fox is impossibly good at mortal kombat and that type of iq definitely transfers in a lot of ways into being able to become extremely high level at other games. And he is extremely high level at other fighting games, Mortal Kombat isn’t the fighting game at EVO that he’s won gold in. Give sonic time, there’s no doubt that he could undoubtedly be super high tier and tekken, thats just what he does. He’s already the 3 best zafina on the leaderboards. And he hasn’t played tekken even a fraction of the time he’s put into other fighters.

[@yami-kitsune]

Tips for Kazuya: Number 1: play on player 2 side for now(right side), it makes his inputs for wavedash and anything from wavedash a bit easier to do, unless you're more comfortable on player 1(left side). Number 2: don't try to force Kazuyas 50/50 especially out in the open, wait for a knockdown then go for it from a wavedash if you can, it's why so many of Kazuyas moves knock the opponent down even his 10f 1,1,2 punish does this for that reason. Number 3: his pokes suck, so stick to jabs, 2 2, back 2 and throw in a back 2,4 once in a while, don't use his df1 as a poke often because its too slow and too minus on block, also use db1,2 sparingly as well since its unsafe but can hit from pretty far away, once you get used to electrics you can use that as a poke in a sense as well since it's plus 5 on block. Number 4: use movement a lot with Kazuya he excells more at punishing than pressure. Number 5: abuse down 1+2 while we have it😂 they made it faster in this game, it's a counter hit launcher, if they block it's safe and you can use while standing 1+2 straight after which is a safe mid that knocks down on counter hit for a guarenteed FF+4 which sets up Kazuyas 50/50, any counter hit knockdown with Kazuya actually does this exact thing. Number 6: FF+2 demon paw with Kazuya is okay but it's better from a wavedash because it turns into a pseudo homing move, but demon paw is even better in heat since devil Kaz has the enhanced version for more damage and it doesn't take much of your heat bar either. Number 7: avoid using the enhanced hellsweep with devil kaz out in the open, just use normal CD4,1 the enhanced one takes up your heat bar and you could use that for FF+2 instead(devil Kaz kinda sucks btw he's not really giving you much that Kaz by himself isn't already doing, apart from some enhanced moves). Number 8: df3,2,1 is okay with Kaz as well but it is steppable so don't spam it.

[@heathmcrigsby]

1:21 oh he's regarded all right

[@RayzeCruxis]

Did ppl forget that Sonicfox has made some of the WORST tier lists ever made? He once said that Kano in MK11 at the start was broken when he was the worst.

[@marcuscheong]

Just to note Arslan Ash used to play Zafina in Tekken 7. So pretty sure he would know better if Zafina got stronger in Tekken 8 over her Tekken 7 version. So I'd say Arslan's comments has way more merit than Sonicfox who couldn't even make it in the Tekken pro scene. Also just because a character is easy to use doesn't always mean the character is top tier. There are characters that are hard to play but once you know how, they are top tier. Zafina is hard to deal with if you rarely fight her due to her unorthodox manner of fighting but once you know how to deal with her, she is not top tier unless your fundamentals is so good that you can make up for it.

[@GNF_cao]

No cause the game is new but she is top 10

[@fatalishuntinghorn]

The Thing With zafina is that she is a knowledge check and all her overwhelming strengths are gone now but she is Not horrible or really Bad she is basicly just Mid Tier Not to Bad and Not to Good

[@OutCastSwagg]

Besides the in-store bs, why do people say Mortal kombat 1 is dead?

[@fatalishuntinghorn]

Pepole really don't Realize how importend knowledge is if they would, they would know why aslan ash says she is trash

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Yah didn't he use her in 7 as well. Honestly him calling her trash makes sense (in a tournament mindset)

[@hh333233]

*There’s literally a Zafina player in the top 5 leaderboards with the most wins lol she’s obviously a strong player. You just need to learn how to play her* 🤷‍♂️