Art and Philosophy ft. CJ the X

[@jul-ro2ri]

how to clock a sociologist: „so are you reading bourdieu?“

[@meltingmug]

A philosopher and a social analyst walk into a bar. Ow.

[@phoebelahey]

An idealist philosopher walks into a bar, and a realist says ow

[@meltingmug]

@@phoebelahey … What? I’m sorry, I want to get the joke here, but… what definition of idealist are you going by?

[@phoebelahey]

​@@meltingmug Idealism in the ontological sense, the joke is that you stop believing the material world is a delusion the moment a very material bar hits you in the face lol

[@meltingmug]

@@phoebelahey OH! That’s hilarious. Didn’t get the joke originally because I assumed the idealist and the realist were two separate persons. Thought the implication was that the idealist philosopher wouldn’t react in pain, which… makes no sense at all. Hence why I asked.

[@AI-Hallucination]

No……

[@lorriechristian7164]

What is this, a crossover episode?

[@dtipson]

They're cross over art theory

[@Piasays]

I think i could listen to CJ the X talk all day.

[@ladyerisrose]

This is really interesting! I hadn't considered how CJ's more transcendental worldview might clash with Alexander's more post-structuralist worldview.

[@Xemmy24]

Two of my favorite content creators coming together to philosophize and converse makes me deeply happy. I would love to see more videos with you both!!

[@catalystcomet]

Right?! This is freaking awesome! And I wish I knew someone like you in real life because I can never seem to get any of the people I know to get into this shit! This is so fantastic!

[@gabrielemarogna9444]

Bruh, this is the Chomsky-Foucault debate all over again!

[@coRynnstar]

That cliffhanger got me good lmao

[@cubething-x64]

I study philosophy and I am preparing for graduate school. Thank you for recording this and sharing it. Publicizing these discussions is very, very valuable for someone in a philosophical desert like me (in Kansas). I think people are hungry for this sort of content, not just me - the video essay is pretty popular these days. I hope the trend continues - and I hope I can contribute in the future.

[@cubething-x64]

I also want to say, the fact that you're sharing "alternative" philosophical trends (pragmatism, continental philosophy) in a public light is very valuable considering the anglophone philosophical institutions are so heavily dominated by the analytic tradition. I would not have heard of Badiou without you, and I think he is going to be essential to my philosophical project, and to any real philosophy going forward.

[@fourcatsinatrenchcoat]

gay arostotle features gay plato im here for it

[@thetoxicfanbase4756]

Eyo, since this channel is smaller, my comment's influence is larger! Muahahaha!

[@mattiemackessy1740]

Ummmm I went to school with Alexander and just saw him come across my feed. Hey, friend 💕 glad to see you thriving!

[@mikepike7270]

Alexander’s asking questions and cj is delivering essays 😂

[@Mualulu]

this bit of conversation made me want to sign up for college what the hell

[@catalystcomet]

I have had one of the worst days of my year and this, FUCK YES!

[@xainabshuja4215]

OH MY GOD BEST CROSSOVER EVER??????

[@Sysyphony]

This crossover got me Spiraling.

[@sofitate98]

Literally my two favorite creators on this platform, this is a miracle.

[@outeremissary4438]

This is such a fascinating conversation and I love to get this glimpse of a conversation where you're working through a subject you differ on in ways which can be subtle but very significant - it gives a lot of food for thought! I've always been very back and forth about this myself, so seeing these different perspectives put in direct conversation does a lot for reflection, haha.

[@MAROUMEANSBEASTT]

alex and cj?? in the same room?? this is my avengers endgame

[@chrono4998]

Only ever piece of media that convinced me to subscribe to a patreon, congrats

[@va4275]

Ohh, not the cliffhanger 😢

[@Kenyajoy]

Amazing conversation, thanks for sharing it!

[@Heidi2003]

Can't wait to see more from this channel ❤

[@toasterenthusiast8023]

This is genuinely so interesting my mind is alight with new understandings. I feel alive I'm gonna go do something with my life

[@zackrudisaile4038]

I think cj has been historically correct that there is a push over the past 100 + years tward valuing the objective over the subject. And I think it needs some rebalancing . Like Alexander I think there is a real risk of just swinging one way or the other and the path is to keep both incheck. To use cjs visual device from another essay I think we need a subjectivity AND objectivity emergency escape button. "This no longer functions inside my logical framework I use to predict the future and stay alive" HIT BUTTON "this no longer resonates with me and It brings zero value to my life" HIT BUTTON

[@dzrmgkva]

Gush I'm so horny for philosophy or for this two, idk, I can't decide

[@S3rY0]

Alexander my guy! Strongest opening gambit?!

[@lmcb8447]

Second channel and collab 😱 Lets goooooooo !!! 💪 🚗 🚗 🚘

[@Nagchampa765]

Does anyone know if either people here have a reading list public or goodreads/storygraph public? I really want to widen my horizons and read more but I feel so overwhelmed not knowing where to start from nothing

[@ro5alia]

CJ has a book club called kill the internet

[@Nagchampa765]

@@ro5alia where do you become a part of that?

[@BurritoBoris]

​@@Nagchampa765 it's on their patreon

[@margarethansen7490]

HIP HIP HOORAYY

[@spameranne]

can't wait to watch this later !

[@purpledaydreamer9682]

So interesting!

[@aidanlewis5098]

the most objective things are truly just things/experiences that more people are agreeing on. they feel transcendent because the pattern that creates the commonality feels like it's a separate entity or force that you could pull off of the humans who are part of it and point to that force and say ah there is the transcendent truth we should ascribe to. I agree with Alexander that this may be a flawed way of thinking because it's effectively just magical thinking wearing the baggage of years of philosophy and religion as a hat. not a bad thing necessarily but any ascribed transcendental truth will always necessarily fail to be true in 100% of all cases

[@t.kruste3085]

This made me understand a lit better what they are talking about, thank you :)

[@nahometesfay1112]

I'm not sure what counts as transcedent but there are universal truths like conception, birth, aging, physical needs, universal experiences with nature, relationships, death etc. Honestly humans have a lot in common.

[@aidanlewis5098]

@t.kruste3085 just thinking out loud lol glad you got something out of it

[@lmcb8447]

The things there's no such thing as(plenty of) universal truth , many of them are subjective, maybe in the future people can have babies developing for the whole pregnancy outside of the body with science, and what constitutes physical needs is incredibly subjective, some people think that means nutrition and hydration while others think it also implies sex and /or reproduction. But not all people have sex urges(plenty of ace ppl) and not all ppl desire to reproduce. And on universal expiriences with nature , there should be some common things but a lot of different ones for one raised in a village vs one raised in a city, relationships are too subjective and of personal taste too, some prefer friends over family while others opposite, some prefer casual over long term and vice-versa. Humans have a lot in common(need for food, water, shelter and socializing)but also plenty of difference based on the environment they were raised and live in.

[@nahometesfay1112]

@@lmcb8447 Plenty is a relative term, but based on your response, I think you can agree there is at least a dozen. One thing to clarify is I am not talking about theoretical universals that will hold forever just universals that currently hold which can be used to gain insight to humans as they previously and currently exist. I haven't fully decided if I want to ignore infant mortality because there are probably babies who have never felt sunlight or other things that would be universal to anyone who has lived at least into childhood. I'd say being born from your biological mother is universal. Literally everyone has done this to date even though this could change in the future. While "physical needs" is a little vague, I meant things everyone has to do or they will die like breath air nutrition, hydration, temperature regulation. I think you can agree all of those are universal. Nature is probably not truly universal because some people die almost immediately after being born, but excluding such cases, everyone has felt water wind, and sunlight. My point isn't to disregard our differences, but to highlight our most fundamental similarities which everyone and every culture must respond to though not always in the same way.

[@ace.of.space.]

incredible crossover !!!

[@megumin4564]

smart people nerding over smart people stuff

[@DracoGalboy]

New channel and only 2 days late? Hype

[@sleepingpotato942]

i love both these guys but i'm definitely not smart enough for this video lmao

[@BrickGriff]

(butterfly meme) is this the reification problem?

[@StellaByLuna]

I think the pursuit towards objectivity is only flawed if you plant your flag and claim you've found it. To me the search itself is the definition of meaning

[@gabrochart]

pragmatism vs postmodernism, that's what im talking about BABY

[@AI-Hallucination]

4:15 using big words is ok but he definitely does not comprehend. 😂 gen z Papier-mâché intellects of www.

[@katakesh8566]

Its fun to hear someone complain about philosophizing, as theyve built a career on it. Pull the ladder up i guess

[@BLEDZED]

If you are real which in many ways you can be then your subjectivity and objectivity is real the question is does everyone agree. That’s I think religion was made to create one consciousness in that bushing for a spiritual experience that doesn’t just touch one but a mass and in that group if you’re an artist you’re answering to that.

[@lidu6363]

It is a gift 🤌

[@ananyanaik.]

Aaaahhhhhhjahahajajj

[@ishuboshi]

Whatttt whys this got 700 views

[@ImNotimportant-u8b]

Eeeeeemm... whaat?

[@BLEDZED]

Should philosophy exist in art when art art seeks for the absurd? Feelings aren’t logical philosophy is very logical.

[@nguyentuition1092]

Comment❤

[@dergutechtd-air209]

9:56

[@Boardwoards]

GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY if you wanna know fr tho, objective and subjective is likely a muddling false dichotomy as in left/right or liberty/authority which makes attempting to be balanced and good all yin yang style walking the middle path throw you for loops where you end up with your right facing in the direction your left was. also known as matrices of choice or the sea of reeds. all being one makes it totally crystal clear how trickery and deceit is always playing your self that guile is gormless gunk. witches for instance trick but with skillfull means to expose the garbage of societal order.

[@Boardwoards]

also a review is what it sounds like, observing from a sort of face value as the art seems liberated from more deconstructive processing through general consensus and schrödingers author. analysis means to loosen up (deconstruct) where you pry at intersections of meaning to really map the experience not just, well, view it afterwords. so in analysis you are making yourself involved which would be subjective (as the interaction supposedly subjects one to another but it's really just a more linear relation)

[@AnthonyTaylor-o5j]

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[@seangt]

Alexander smoked him

[@t.kruste3085]

CJ uses they/them :)

[@yennikarual]

@@t.kruste3085 he/they ! but their instagram is gone so i can't cite why i know this. edit: pf jung's interview with cj talks about this around three quarters of the way in. it is a little hard to sit through, though.

[@bees4106]

I'm not sure this discussion had like. A winner. We got to hear a fascinating conversation, everyone wins.

[@sylvrstone]

[@BLEDZED]

Should philosophy exist in art when art art seeks for the absurd? Feelings aren’t logical philosophy is very logical.