Art and Technology: From Death to Glory - Boston Talk pt.1

Looking at the narrative about art and technology, how they are related to the fall and how Christ transform that relationship into a new glory.
This talk was given at Annunciation Cathedral in Boston. It was organized by the Boston Fellows www.bostonfellows.com and Orthodoxy on Tap.
Video was provided by the Boston Fellows. Pictures of the event were taken by Alexander Mavradis.

[@DerekJFiedler]

This video is the overture of 10 of your teachings interwoven and taken to the next level - in one talk. Well done. Quite enjoyable. It reaffirms my identity as an artist.

[@baileybao4447]

I can’t handle my mind being blown yet again!

[@liammccann8763]

I consider myself well-read and yet I listen to JP and I am truly humbled. Like JP I adore reading the Church Fathers. Benedict XVI and Mike Aquilina's books offer wonderful insight and help us observe the reality of salvation history and how the Church guards the deposit of Faith. Ne Timeas.

[@DaveDude571]

This is absolutely one of the best lectures I've heard of yours! I love how much you were able to integrate into just this one talk without it becoming too confusing.

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Thanks, Jonathan. Can’t wait for part two of this one. God bless, be well.

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Where is part 2? I can’t find it on YT.

[@franciscocamacho562]

@@alteredcatscyprus www.bitchute.com/video/cThHjWP48Cip/

[@alteredcatscyprus]

@@franciscocamacho562 Thank you

[@stuckmannen3876]

One of the best videos left on youtube!

[@oambitiousone7100]

These talks soothe & invigorate.

[@ArcherWarhound]

Thank you, Jonathan, for helping us learn to see what has been before us our whole lives. I had to pause this at 42:32 because I was overcome with weeping and the words of the angels in Isiah 6:3 were ringing in my ears: "Holy, Holy, Holy, is The Lord Almighty, the whole Earth is full of His Glory."

[@MACTRUQUE]

I cant wait for Part Two.

[@TheJas1189]

Jonathan, your work has taught me so much about my faith, my God and my life. Keep up the great work. I look forward to seeing you should you come speak in Atlanta.

[@dmitrypetrouk8924]

1:25:15 The key to Christianity is to understand unity without confusion. Love is unity without confusion.

[@justinseligman9539]

Watching this on Transfiguration Sunday (for the ACNA) and our OT reading is from the ascent of Sinai. My mind was making so many connections during the readings. Thank you for this perspective heading into Great Lent, as we shed the excess and ascend the mountain of God.

[@mythosandlogos]

Art is such an interesting word. It is linked to the “art”ificial, which is typically thought of an unnatural, yet it is so beautiful and capable on containing meaning. Before the fall, we would have had no need for art, but in the current state with creation being separate from the abstract meaning of its creator, now art is one of the places we can best look for understanding the relationship between creator and creation. Through art, we can partake in the godly task of informing matter with meaning.

[@telos3834]

Jonathan is very brilliant I love his vids he blows my mind every time I listen to him

[@luc432]

Jonathan - Think of a black smith in any fantastic setting. Taking the ore out of the ground, it's a very dark imagery. Well, modern mining and metallurgy are still pretty brutal.

[@UndyingNephalim]

Ahhhh Sauron the Blacksmith.

[@TheLeadhound]

The ring's most apparent power is to conceal. It has practical uses.

[@johnpauldalber6955]

What I liked is that these ideas aimed at uncovering the truth for all of us, is relevant to all of us!

[@hrkellem2848]

As a fellow beard-grower, I just wanted to articulate the secret hiding in plain sight on Jonathan (as well as on many church fathers): a beard is a small example of turning death into glory. Bearded men basically wear gnarly dead hairs all over their faces, the one part of us that we constantly present to the world. Beard glory!

[@lidu6363]

_That's some next level God's temple you have on your face..._

[@lonnieschubert7078]

"Farther up and further in!"

[@andrewnelson3714]

Best work to date. Thank you and well done

[@JerriStokes]

This was wonderful to listen too! And most likely I will again! Thank you Jonathan

[@lidu6363]

How do people still not understand the words "asking a question."

[@SabbaticusRex]

Glad I wasn't the only one grinding my teeth as that man talked on and gave his own rambling lecture , going on , and on , and on , and on , and then had the chutzpah to say 'And one more thing,' three more times on top of everything . . =P

[@fr.timothycurren5592]

That was my professor at seminary, I love him dearly, and he’s far better at lecturing than asking questions 😜

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Yes, I had to skip through his “question” as well. It always seems arrogant when people do that and is off putting. People come to talks to hear the speaker not audience members.

[@SabbaticusRex]

@@TheDonovanMcCormick I wasn't aware until later that he was a professor, but it explain alot -- he is used to being the center of attention and having the class where it is mandatory to listen . I work around similar people and it's super common for them to behave like that. Haha kinda glad I wasn't alone in thinking this way, though ! Cheers.

[@Yallquietendown]

Let me preface this.... 🤣

[@greatmomentsofopera7170]

Thank you once more for a great talk

[@lauragiles4245]

So glad this is coming out so quickly since I missed the second part of the talk.

[@ibelieve3111]

Thanks

[@SteveBedford]

Jonathan, I've been watching your videos for months now. This is your best, most clear, most complete presentation of the concepts you teach on. You really should pin it somewhere on your channel. (Or maybe it has just taken this long for it all to click for this dummy).

[@balazsmolnar2386]

Waiting for pt. 2.

[@KizaWittaker]

Three years later..

[@matfejpatrusin4550]

Great talk, despite the fact that you seem to be somewhat stressed or tense - not typical. I hope your things go well. What you do is immensely valuable. My prayers with you. +++

[@lessthandust]

I see no tense

[@MrZadokthePriest]

I see someone being careful to tie a lot of loose threads about art and scripture into the tapestry of Christ's act of redemption. It's a heady topic and Jonathan is bringing his audience along. There may be other stresses but that alone is a tall order and delicate task.

[@matfejpatrusin4550]

Thomas Henderson Oh that’s certainly true.

[@lessthandust]

@knees tension

[@newkingjames1757]

Is that why God often spoke to us in dreams? There is no outside distraction or influence while asleep, so that union between Heaven and Earth is made more readily?

[@DerekJFiedler]

Happy 77.7k subscribers!

[@DerekJFiedler]

Ornamentation, yes!

[@theecstatic9686]

I am excited at just the topic of the lecture...

[@theecstatic9686]

waiting for part 2...

[@scotchtapeworm3755]

This is really cool! When does part 2 come out? I gotta hear the rest!

[@KizaWittaker]

It’s been three years..

[@EmilyTodicescu]

@@KizaWittaker I think this is the second part, even though it’s titled ‘Part 3’: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaHak6xtgKtmpNk&feature=shareb

[@dmitrypetrouk8924]

15:22 using death to protect us from death - this somehow reminds "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" negation of negation, affirmation of affirmation Some things have negation (and division) at their root and they also are divided in themselves (negating themselves inside). And because of their internal dividedness we may fall into them when we interact with them (we may lose ourselves among their partiality, become captured). But if we take them as a whole we keep a distance. And we take them as a whole when we are addressing them with their root, genesis (where they are whole). And so these things are addressed when our actions in interaction imitate origin of a thing - negation (or division).

[@MrCRACKINSKULLZ]

Havent watched the whole thing yet, but the notion of death into glory seems like a weird funny meeting place between you and David Goggins. Just a thought

[@kellymadden2873]

Jesus died naked. On a bit of architecture designed to expose, not to protect. (Loincloths in art have no historical basis; the Romans made crucifixion as cruel and humiliating as possible.) I had previously understood how he bears humanity's shame in that, having nothing to be ashamed of, himself. And that he a "carpenter" (tekton), carried and died on that simplest of constructs. But this talk opens up new depths of meaning, doesn't it? Blessed Ash Wednesday to all following the Western calendar!

[@chimpcultsage4220]

The symbolism of the foreigner who crafts sounds like McKenna's explanation of the symbolism of the UFO

[@shotinthedark90]

"They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks."

[@sirdonaldofthewarcry]

And they will plough and prune for those who do not.

[@shotinthedark90]

@@sirdonaldofthewarcry And also those who do.

[@LD-2401]

Right now I'm struggling between choosing science or art. I've considered everything from freelancing to being a chemist to being a chef to being a detective. I'm in a confusing place right now.

[@morningafternoonheadshot6741]

Look into cymatics and sacred geometry, fractals phi and the body, electromagnetics, toroidal fields, (is. Torah, Tara, Taurus, tau, dao) they are so interconnected, your art will reflect science, but you have to connect the dots, as in, Holy Spirit=zero point energy=aether=breath of God=primordial ohm=vibration= Word=logos,etc. in the beginning there was a word, and the word was God, and the word was with God... word=sound wave. Sine wave=sin wave, born in sin, born into this plane.

[@LD-2401]

@@morningafternoonheadshot6741 thanks, but this feels so over my head. I can try though

[@zzsquiddd1244]

@@morningafternoonheadshot6741 I couldn't find an etymological connection between sine wave and sin. What did you mean by that? or are you just freestyling

[@rainking50]

What did you choose? Wishing you well..

[@LD-2401]

@@rainking50 Something I found out about myself… I am a free spirit. I should have never tried to make myself stick to just one thing.

[@andrewternet8370]

You talk about art and beauty as a sort of technological garnment of skin- it can be used to realize or falsely attribute the glory of something. With this in mind, what do you think about Neo-Coptic iconography, which leans into an "aesthetic of asceticism"?

[@ursulabrown3199]

Does anybody know where part 2 of this talk is on youtube?

[@EmilyTodicescu]

I think this is the second part, even though it’s titled ‘Part 3’: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaHak6xtgKtmpNk&feature=shareb

[@eastudio-K]

Part 2?

[@EmilyTodicescu]

I think this is the second part, even though it’s titled ‘Part 3’: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaHak6xtgKtmpNk&feature=shareb

[@bedwere]

1:02:00 Father is wrong. τέκτων in Greek means worker in wood, carpenter, joiner and it is opposed to smith and mason. See logeion.uchicago.edu/%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD

[@jstanley011]

I find it difficult to view Moses as an archetype for asceticism, when he didn't remain on top of the mountain, but after 40 days he descended bearing God's words to God's people. I note also that the Pharisees did not call Christ "a carpenter" in Matthew 15.55, they called him "the carpenter's son." In other words, ironically enough, they were calling God the Father who created the heavens and the earth, a carpenter. And I would argue that Christ didn't redeem Cain; as the second Adam (Romans 5.14-21; I Corinthians 15.45-47), Christ redeemed Adam. Note from Cain's genealogy in Genesis, that Cain's line -- made up of the heirs of "the mark of Cain" (Genesis 4.24) -- was cut off by Noah's flood, even as in the book of Revelation those who receive the mark of the beast will be judged.

[@Pangloss0]

Christ is the Last Adam, not the Second. Adam is the first man, Christ is the second man. 1 Korinthians 15:45-47. Essential for understanding. We are all born as Adamites and only after being reborn we also receive Christ's nature and then we have both natures (or types) of man; the one can sin, the other cannot. Being the Last Adam means that Christ took Adam (the whole Adam race born before and after Him) to the cross and put it to death and buried it. So the power of sin which resides in Adam was cut off. This is only appropriated by faith but is a spiritual reality nonetheless.

[@samhQC]

What's the painting at 4:04 ? Very striking.

[@DANINJUNE]

Oh you were here a month ago and I didn’t even know? :/

[@Orgotheonemancult]

I love Jonathan, but does anyone else ever feel like he's just speaking in gobbledygook? It's like, sometimes it makes total sense for me, and other times not at all. I dunno. Either way, thanks for speaking! Edit: btw, does anyone else notice that he's looking more and more like one of the saints from his own carvings?

[@dvg4536]

i suspect that sometimes too; rewatches can help reveal the threads between his interpretations. i think he is challenging, sometimes maybe a little tongue tied but still reliably on point, wise in his talks if you give full attention to what he says.

[@OscarGeronimo]

33:43

[@Hitlerbaddaringood]

The more correct I believe you to be the more suspicious I am of you. The sole reason being that your brother knows all that you say and possibly more, yet is not a Christian. I cannot figure out the implications of this fact, though I know it is none of my business. But I believe this is possibly the most important mystery of the Pageau phenomenon..

[@Aquaticphilosophia]

Even the Demons confess christ, that doesn't mean they are wrong. His brother probably has too much pride to submit to the authority of the Orthodox Church/Christ. A ton of people host inorganic beings/demons to supplement their intellect, and their information isn't wrong, they just tend to cause passions with their insight that are in opposition to salvation, like intellectualism or pride.

[@lidu6363]

Belief is a choice. It's less correlated with intelligence and more with life experience. As a Christian, I don't even believe you can truly have faith without previously experiencing atheism. Faith accepted uncritically from outside is barely more than brainwashing.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

We must interrogate the mystery of PAGEAU behind the curtain.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

@@lidu6363 He isn't an atheist, he merely rejects Xtianity. Could it be that this is what The Two PAGEAUS are trying to show us? That Xtianity necessarily negates itself in the end? That the mere following of its inner logic ultimately abolishes it? Thus the brother PAGEAU fully understands the underlying truth of Xtianity and is not a xtian at the same time

[@lidu6363]

@@jarlnicholl1478 I'm going back to watching their interviews now. You made me think about it 😀 However, I believe you can be an atheist christian, or understand christianity without agreeing with it. These things are not contradictory, it's a matter of your personal values.

[@fallingsky9242]

That 1st question had alot of ego in it imo lol

[@jasonroberts2249]

All medicine isn’t poison. Herbal medicine (which is what even modern pharmaceuticals are derived from) is by and large safe, including many herbs like cat’s claw, ashwagandha or astragalus that are good to take daily for general well-being.

[@thiagogalvao8592]

It’s interesting how in 1:20:00 almost all the womens starts to go out, following the fat women who had already got out minutes latter, and then a weak man follow them, and then some other mans felt tentative to follow the movement.

[@KizaWittaker]

All of those people left their items and belongings on the table. They are also all wearing name tags, which implies they are probably workers and organizers of this event, What a dumb comment.