why Wish's soulless animation is worse than you thought

Disney's Wish is just the Wish version of Tangled. the way I went from "I can't make a video about this movie" to "let me actually read the whole art book in the middle of the night and make a 30-minute video analyzing the animation" is very on brand I must say. Also, I highly recommend the Tangled art book if you love the movie as much as I do 💛
Technical breakdown of Wish's animation (by an animator): • Why Wish Looks Bad: An...
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00:00 intro
01:59 milestone movies
02:18 animation innovation
05:48 colour
07:31 lighting
09:26 musical visuals
11:34 kingdoms
13:00 insignias
14:00 forests
16:21 towers
18:45 Asha vs Rapunzel
20:40 goals
22:49 visual humour
23:14 legacy
24:35 story issues
25:38 goodnight/i love Tangled
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References:
The Art of Wish (Book)
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i analyze the animation of Wish (Disney, 2023), starring Ariana DeBose as Asha, and Tangled (Disney, 2010), starring Mandy Moore as Rapunzel.
#videoessay #Wish #Tangled #Disney

[@artatmidnight]

i wish this movie didn’t exist 😭 also if anyone knows a real-life Flynn Rider hmu

[@FairyTales691]

I will try lol also new sub I am currently making animations so this video helped a lot

[@OpticalSorcerer]

NGL, I'm a Bastion supremecist. I prefer his character over Flynn's.

[@dewmilk7266]

My bf kinda looks like a hotter version of Flynn lol

[@skkygavin9509]

I personally don’t think Asha’s dress looks too bland. Purple works very well with her skin tone not the greatest shade, but I wouldn’t say that the problem is that the dress is bland. I’d say that the problem is that the dress just looks like a less cooler version of Rapunzel‘s dress and it was very annoying to look at, when I thought about it

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@skkygavin9509 The art style is what holds it back; it lacks the realism of 3D to make it look good, and it doesn't have the beauty of 2D either.

[@avengefullgirl95]

You talking about the colours made me think "so Wish is the sad beige of animations"

[@SuperKitten176]

Real

[@Idrinkthebloodoftheguilty]

Sad beige moms are back and now their making movies, someone stop them

[@kayleighdriessen]

Hahaha yes

[@youwotboi9288]

The Wednesday of colors, like a visual musique, as non-committed as can be.

[@iheartcoffee195]

seriously. There are scene in the movie where the main color is beige and I get why middle class suburban people like that style-because its neutral so it goes with everything. But that's the thing its neutral. Not a great color pallet for an animated movie.

[@ballistic_goat]

One thing I noticed is that there are no hard shadows in this movie. It makes it look like cheap 3D and like everything is smooth

[@IssacVazquez-tp6xf]

Yeah, when she showed paper man I noticed paper man has dimension, it looks like one of those incredibly detailed tik tok graphite drawings. While due to wish’s lack of shading, it looks flat.

[@ozboz-roblox363]

yeah i think they were trying to be like the movie klaus

[@bisousethiboux]

OH, is *that* why it reminds me of the straight-to-DVD free-with-cereal kinda Barbie Princess movies from the 00s? the lack of hard shadows?

[@Oak_Eggar]

Dont dare bully my cheap barbie dvds-​@@bisousethiboux

[@Twiddle_things]

​@@ozboz-roblox363 minus the effort. Lazy asses. 0 love for the project Man, I'd kill for another 2D magnum opus like Klaus. You felt the love and passion leak out of every frame

[@ScrimmyBingus42]

What I loved about tangled was it wasn't afraid to have TEETH. Mother Gothel is one of the most insidious, evil villains in Disney history for how she emotionally manipulates and abused Rapunzel. and the fact that it gets genuinely dark and a little violent towards the end, it's amazing that Disney allowed that.

[@Krystalmyth]

I mean, classic Disney had teeth. Think of Hellfire and Frollo lusting after a woman while damning her to hell, Scar murdering his own brother in cold blood, etc. Tangled was a true return to form.

[@videoviperOG]

The Hunchback of Notre Dame was it's first dark disney animated film.

[@Krystalmyth]

@@videoviperOG Disney has been doing dark themes since "Night on Bald Mountain/Ave Maria" in Fantasia, 1940. They have always had it in them, they've just forgotten what made them great.

[@ghoulchan7525]

@@videoviperOG that one segment in snow white

[@hottiegirl4814]

@@ghoulchan7525that made me so scared as a little kid

[@sofairthouart]

i'm just like... who puts a main character in MUTED PURPLE when all of the backgrounds are MUTED BLUE?? meanwhile rapunzel is in SOFT PINK/PURPLE in a BRIGHT GREEN world. contrast = interest 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@ItzMuffinzz]

REAL like what were they thinking?? I get the meaning behind the color but red would’ve been such a good contrast to all of the cool blues and teals in the kingdom and on Magnifico. It also would’ve matched Star and his warm yellow color scheme.

[@gabiz1331]

i thought itd be cool to have her start out with muted colors matching magnifico since she admires him so much at the beginning and then after meeting the star she gains more saturated colors (idk have the star bibity bobity boo her dress or smth) to contrast the kingdom and magnifico as she eventually ends up going against him

[@76o90]

@@gabiz1331 Damn I love that idea :D

[@colbaltmind5696]

I think the desire to be an anniversary film is the ultimate reason why it's so bland. Like instead of making a movie Walt would be proud of, like the creative ideas in the concept art, they just copied themselves without realizing the true magic behind Disney: creativity and a love for art. Walt was a businessman, but he was an artist first and foremost.

[@maddenboseroy4074]

Apparently, he said something along the lines of "We don't make movies to make money, we make money to make movies." Nevertheless, you're right: whatever wasn't his animated movies was a way to make money to make those movies, and TV Tropes states that he is the reason animators are required to be able to nail animal anatomy.

[@dxitydevil]

They wanted to be so original that it was unoriginal

[@maddenboseroy4074]

@@dxitydevil More like they wanted to appeal to as many people as possible.

[@dxitydevil]

@@maddenboseroy4074 real !!

[@Vor567tez]

They definitely didn't understood what makes Disney movie "Disney". Disney is well known for romance but chop of Star Boy. The villains were iconic bcs they were evil but they tried to make him sympathetic. Instead of lush vibrancy they went for dull colors. Whoever passed those changes clearly was trying to appeal the current audience who is only loud at twitter. Not the fans of Disney.

[@february4206]

Wish is so stewed in references to the point where it stops being charming and becomes, "Have you *ever* had an original thought before?"

[@loner844]

Yeah, it's less intertextuality and more, "I don't know who I am, but look at that over there!"

[@Nopeasaurus]

Reminds me of the constant on-the-nose references in Frozen 2. "remember hans? haha man he was so evil! hahaha remember let it go? hahaa man that was cringe am'rite fellow kids? hey wanna see the most annoying character reenact the entire first film? hahaha. Remember when we used to be creative? hahaha me neither!"

[@uniquenewyork3325]

​​​​​@@Nopeasaurus ngl frozen 2 has more depth and emotion than wish, I actually felt something for Anna's pain and elsa's desperation. They have consistent motivations and behaviors, also the songs are good, even the silly ones. Wish wants to be everything while saying nothing, maybe the soundtrack could have given something but it's so hard to listen to because it wants to be deep and playful without having either. I'm a laid back movie enjoyer, I would even fight for the despicable me saga, but wish is so vacant I don't have much positive to say. It's not fun, funny, interesting, or unique. (Also ashas braid movement is so innacurate it's distracting, how is this the same company that created new hair animations for tangled, moana, and encanto?)

[@kirahhdrop]

Coulda had a star boy :(

[@lt5119]

Exactly, it also strongly reminds me of the execution of Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker, which obviously is another movie that Disney produced semi-recently. It seems like they just want to cram as many references to their older classic movies rather than make a great one that can stand on its own. What are the Disney executives thinking anymore

[@franse1n]

As someone who watched Tangled multiple times, I'd like to add something; The movie gets more charming as you watch it more and you get to notice the little things, the characters faces while they have interactions, the pretty delicate details that you'll only notice on your second to third watch that makes you appreciate the movie more and it's animation

[@aergerje]

exactly, there is so much life breathed into every aspect of the movie and i think that's what makes it so loved by so many people

[@familyoftacticaldroids309]

Same can be said for other underrated Disney films like Princess and the Frog. I watch that one and I can just TELL the artists and animators had so much fun with it; Look at all the various expressions on each character! Watch the various scenes with the bayou, Mama Odie's home, and Facilier's Emporium! Watch the song scenes and see the smooth animations and lighting! I'm really sad that this movie was one of the last 2D animated Disney films. I'm realizing I actually enjoy the 2D ones more than the 3D, but maybe it's because the latter is just so hit and miss nowadays, and I'm also just nostalgic. xD I do like some of the 3D ones too!

[@lollllolll.]

On a different note, when Rapunzel is in the library with Eugene, they are looking at a book Inside this book there's a picture of Europe (confirming that Tangled takes place on earth) but what really fascinated me were the things written on the map. The coast of Africa (where Algeria is today) is marked as "Barbary" And in the past, the coast of Algeria used to be named as the "Barbary coast" They legit went through a history lesson for a 0.5 second long scene that nobody would even notice 😂 Effort.

[@hannahskeldon7944]

The series also adds great charm to the movie and gives more insight into the characters and story, especially Eugene and Rapunzel.

[@Diarunas]

Everything new I hear about Wish makes me hate it more, whereas everything new I hear about Tangled makes me fall deeper in love with it

[@user-lc9hq6vz9e]

YES SAME

[@SamdelWood]

When I heard from a video that Wish had repetitive and unnecessary sentences in their songs, for example: “I throw caution to every warning sign”, I realized it was not going to be worth watching if they recycle meanings

[@IfAllElseFailsDance]

On Asha's outfit, her purple is so MUTED, if it was more saturated it would suit her but a bright yellow and red would make her glow so much more, and would force animators to make her surroundings, like her home,or the kitchen with friends, more warmer too to symbolize her being connected with people.

[@jschatz]

right! the whole movie looks so cold-toned and drab :(

[@roundhouse2616]

Dude I am MOURNING that red-outfit Asha

[@rexnatori]

It's "Wish Purple" to me now. It's so sad I hate it and I LOVE muted colors

[@mataaandrea]

And also, for me the braided hair looks so plain, in the darker scenes it is just plain straight hair, no volume, no movement, whilst the art with her curls is so much more charmirng, is like the description of tangled forest, no straight lines and a lot of personality, also would have made her seem a lor "softer" "kinder" and "free" which is what she wanted, everyone to be free to wish and made their wishes true without magníficos control

[@Annie_Annie__]

Red or yellow also both make more sense as medieval Spanish or North African clothing. Purple wouldn’t have been accessible for an average person and would make more sense as the king or queen’s color. I would have loved to have seen the queen in a royal purple gown or an white/ivory gown with royal purple trim.

[@trinaq]

I honestly wish that they'd committed to having the Queen be part of an evil couple, alongside her husband, as was initially planned. Her being good just didn't seem to be explored enough.

[@MJM959]

@trinaq agreed and how the star was going to be a love interest as well, like they had a good idea so why didn’t they commit to it

[@artatmidnight]

i agree! they had some really cool concept art of her and magnifico as an evil pair. she ended up seeming like an after thought :(

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Fun fact: Amaya's VA revealed during auditions that Amaya was a villain while Magnifico was a good king. I'm assuming the villain couple happened next, followed by good Amaya/evil Magnifico.

[@juliarosetwamley]

You are my favorite channel on KZbin

[@maddenboseroy4074]

@@artatmidnight I myself miss when the star was a fully human imp based off of Peter Pan and Genie. How could Disney fumble a bag as big as a character inspired by a Robin Williams role - they could even have kept the "starboy" quiet while using his shapeshifting to do genie-level pop culture references.

[@rebeccawalilko960]

Any time you show pictures of the artbook, I just start sobbing. We were so robbed of a better movie...

[@ten-ze1pq]

Right!? The concept art for Tangled is gorgeous, but clearly not right for the project so it’s great we see how they progressed towards a more charming final product. The Wish concept art is just a grim reminder of what could’ve been but isn’t 💀

[@mollusckscramp4124]

That's new corporate Disney for ya, where young artists' visions go to die...

[@Rojin_04]

Same

[@AnaSanchezstfu]

Another aspect that ended up bringing Wish down was the comparison between the two main characters' personalities. They're both supposed to be adorable, quirky and awkward, and with Rapunzel it makes sense; she's been in a tower her whole life, she has no social skills so she's both afraid and too trustworthy of everything around her. This can be shown by being obviously scared of the guys from the tabern and seconds later listening to their stories. She was scared of the unknown but didn't hesitate to humanize people usually seen as misfits. This can also be explained by the dancing scene in the Kingdom; who cares if no one was dancing, she wants to dance so she dances, a normal person probably would have never done that. Her personality connects with her story. Asha was quirky and awkward because... well, that's what people like I guess, a bit similar to what happened with Mirabel in Encanto. They're awkward cause the script says so, not because their story builded their personalities or their upbringing changed the way they see the world; and that's why she feels so empty during her I want song

[@jahanarahgraham8003]

Though I agree, I feel like Mirabel being a bit awkward made sense in terms of her feeling like the odd one out in her family. That can kind of mess with your brain a bit and make you a lot more self conscious about yourself, leading to a lot of awkward mannerisms. At least for me that makes sense?

[@AirConditioner402]

@@jahanarahgraham8003 For me it made sense that Mirabel was a bit awkward and quirky. Her overly optimistic view of life and her family seems to be her way of masking or coping with her inner feelings of hurt that she's not as special as any of her family members, but she's related to them so she inevitably gets compared and expected to do something amazing like moving mountains or making it rain. Not to mention that the whole family is pressured to always be "perfect" in a way and happy. Even Pepa isn't allowed to feel sad, because her sadness can make it rain and her anger can cause storms. If Mirabel was sulking and upset, it would make her stand out, and not in the good way.

[@Minno86]

Yes totally agree with u guys, imo, Mirabel’s quirkiness also aligns with the story, she works tirelessly to appear fine with her reality and be helpful all the time as best she can, trying not to be a burden to her loved ones. Her I want song was incredibly powerful specially with that time stop animation they did with the party that blends into a dark, cold empty casita. U can see her sink in her feelings of worthlessness and not being able to share this with a single soul. That really, really messes up with your brain, I lived something very similar and it’s hell inside u constantly. I love how they depict this in bruno’s vision, Mirabel alone and everything literally crumbling around her. It’s so very accurate.

[@shanedog5059]

you are COMPLETELY WRONG about the Mirabel part.

[@unrulycrow6299]

To be fair to Mirabel, she was more or less treated as the black sheep of her family for lacking a gift, and even got a massive public humiliation from it when she was a child. Her quirkiness as she avoid the topic of her own gift during the first song of the movie is 100% her coping mechanism at work in the shape of extreme avoidance of the topic, because it holds so much shame for her and the intense feeling of worthlessness she can't share with a single person. Edit: It takes meeting Bruno for her to finally have someone who can relate to her loneliness and with whom she can have a real talk - Bruno has also been ostracised by his family AND the whole town for his gift. Ironically, this is also the reason why Mirabel understands very quickly how Luisa may feel when she starts losing her own gift - since her own self-worth is so strongly tied to it and there's a developing fear in her that Mirabel knows all too well. Anyway, I love Mirabel, I love how Casita is hinted throughout the movie to be "her door" before officially becoming it at the end, I love her interactions with Bruno and Luisa...

[@bluethelucario6194]

The fact that they were able to create an ENTIRE TV SERIES just from the movie Tangled just goes to show how much care was put into the original

[@triceratops3]

and a good series at that, not just any episodic soulless children's show

[@onceuponahair20]

YES THAT SERIES IS PURE GOLD AND THE FILM IS PERFECT 👌

[@IsabelleBorck]

Varian>>>>>>>

[@Victoria-_]

Exactly! And it’s a good show too

[@onceuponahair20]

@@IsabelleBorckfr

[@adrielayson749]

I find it crazy how Enchanted, was a better movie homage to Disney. It poked fun while telling a nuanced story about fairytales and true love. Plus Giselle is a great Princess

[@jonelrobinson582]

Yes! Enchanted is a great movie!

[@CoolScratcher]

Enchanted was surprisingly good to me. I don't know what I expected when I watched it but I ended up loving it.

[@kingandrewcecil348]

Ikr - Enchanted is a far better homage to Disney's 100th anniversary than what "Wish" ever dreamed to be, and that movie came out waaay before Disney's 100th anniversary 😅

[@lantialily8696]

Honestly, even Disenchanted accomplished this story better than Wish, down to dang floating balls of wishes

[@stephenrice2063]

I have mixed feelings about _Enchanted._ It's good on the whole, but the writers didn't know much about fairy tales as such. Many of the supposed fairytale tropes in the movie are really Disney tropes added to the original stories. It's definitely better than _Wish,_ though.

[@SierraSkye-ym3sh]

The first time I saw Wish, the music, the animation, I said one thing, “Too many hands in the pot!” I’ve worked on group projects where there is not a cohesive vision, rather too many visions. I recognized this almost immediately. And it turns out, this was pretty close to what happened

[@anjelatitova4126]

the animation looks so bad 😅 i was watching shrek the other day and the animation in that movie is horrible but it was so ahead of its time imo, and its amazing to watch and see where all my disney and pixar movies started from. now it seems like its making its way back to that cheap animation, which was not cheap at the time but now it looks hella cheap and like they had animators on covid lockdown and they were all communicating and verifying stuff through a zoom call rather then all sit down and actually take their time piecing this trash together which could have been art if they just gave themselves more time. and the purple girl from wish looks like such a bland and quiet character but then you see a clip of her animated and im sorry but she just looks fucking annoying and like no one ever taught her boundaries. i havent seen the movie but def dont want to. the design of her is so bad 😂 i miss when disney princess matched their dresses a little, like you can see a silhouette of just the dress and know who it belongs to. and their clothes were historically inspired with a fantasy twist and not look like a pajama dress! 😂 like seriously it seems like they took 20 minutes max during each step of this.

[@mossimur]

Not me tearing up at the reunion with no sound because it still chokes me up. I'm such a baby when it comes to movies and when I watched Wish and didn't even tear up, my fiance said "Wow, that bad, huh?"

[@amethsys]

The really went children's hospital colour theory with the purple dress

[@Hampter_lover]

LMAOO FR-

[@caitthecat]

Oh gawd...😂

[@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084]

red shows passion and desire

[@MedorraBlue]

PLEAAAASEEEE not this again 😭

[@sneakylilguy]

what is that?

[@xerith42]

Tangled works so well as a celebration movie that I didn't even realize that it was. Its one of my favorite Disney movies and I didn't even realize how many refrences there were to other Disney movies and ideas because its just a good move. It didn't need those references to be gotten by the audience to be enjoyable.

[@ThrasherMan]

I didn't notice them either! Can you name a few? I wanna find them next time I watch the movie now.

[@WEptown]

TANGLED IS THE WORST DISNEY MOVIE HANDS DOWN ! I mean a spoiled child that is all to eager to end the only mother she knew?? Would you off your own mother if she raised you lovingly for years and years? Mother G gave Rapunzel nice clothes, art supplies, good food (she even was willing to give her her favorite food for her birthday), and a warm bed, and this is all to the spawn of the king who stole from an ancient being, Mother G.

[@belfry.bats.xx.]

@@WEptown mother gothel was manipulative and abusive. she knew what she did was wrong and manipulated rapunzel so she wouldn't realize the depth of mother gothel's deception. rapunzel isn't spoiled, she was locked in a tower for 18 years with no friends, no social interaction besides mother gothel, and was screamed at for asking to see the lanterns for her birthday. mother gothel was not loving in any way to *rapunzel,* she was loving and affectionate to rapunzel's *hair.* which, yknow, was the thing that allowed her to live forever to do god knows what. and on another note, the magic flower did not belong to mother gothel, i don't know where you're getting that from? and her literally kidnapping rapunzel was, yknow, *not okay.* two wrongs don't make a right, bestie. i get you don't like the movie but maybe try and find the nuances and realize that mother gothel is the villain because she's narcissistic and abusive. she's a compelling villain, yes, but a villain nonetheless. her only motive was to keep the power of the flower through whatever means possible, which led to her kidnapping the literal princess??? maybe i'm biased because i grew up with an abusive mother but man, you completely missed the point of the movie, my dude

[@tabitharust304]

@@WEptown To be fair, it wasn't even rapunzel who finished her mother off. Eugene cut off the source of mother gothel's life(the hair) and rapunzel even reached out to her mother, because she didn't want to get rid of the main person in her life, as she still felt connected to her when it was all rapunzel ever knew. If I remember right the lizard tripped her up before rapunzel could have any say. Rapunzel was grateful and happy at the end because she ended up finding her true life(mother gothel had her trapped up in a fake life that she was finally free from) and parents and a husband who love her more than mother gothel could have ever loved her.

[@Hedge_witch]

​@@belfry.bats.xx.Grew up with a narc mother, can confirm Gothel is an appalling person.

[@Jaffersin]

I gotta say: I didn't and don't especially care for Tangled but this video made me remember it's really important to stress the difference between "I didn't care for it." and "It's bad" because anything that can have this much of an impact on someone couldn't be awful. Tangled really deserves well-spoken people like you who say more than "It's good" but clearly care on such a deep level so as to explain why it's good and really break down all the love an attention that was put into its development. It's the type of thing that makes me really hope that future Disney productions go in that direction (maybe even bringing back the creative leads from Tangled, as you suggested) and that Tangled itself continues to get more appreciation and recognition it deserves. Even if my personal tastes aren't so easily changed I respect it and you quite a bit now!

[@anjelatitova4126]

you cant say tangled is bad, its just not. its amazing and so many people put their hearts and souls jn it and YOU CAN TELL. you feel each idea from each person from the colors to the sounds to the facial expressions everything was thought out, they werent just making a movie, they were telling a story. others movies you can say this could have been better or this, the only complaint i hear of tangled is how flynn cut her hair too short at the end. and the soundtrack is 10/10, i hate musicals but can sung every song in tangled. they all have their special places and feel like actual beautiful pieces of music and not just trying to fill time.

[@gianna526]

I totally agree! I don't like Finding Nemo at all, but it isn't a bad movie. It's just not for me at all. It's got beautiful animation and it's well written and the characters are well developed. Wish is not a good movie. And it's totally valid to like it, I love the bee movie even though it's not a great movie. But you gotta admit that Wish is NOT a well made movie, but the fans refuse to admit that it's not good even though they enjoy it.

[@aj.9h9p9d]

​@anjelatitova4126 the only complaint you hear Is that she cut her hair too short? Then that tells me that you, and most of the people who are obsessed with tangled are too sheltered to care that there were quite a lot of problematic Disney themes that still keep making their way into the film(s). The biggest being their use of allegories/symbolisms to represent how a peppy blonde white girl has lost all her powers by suddenly going brown. Even with knowing them sneakily using metaphors to continue their overt racism, it still had more care put into its production than wish. And that should bother everyone. I notice the person who made this video is obsessing over colors being wrong in the movie wish, but she doesn't seem to ask herself why Disney seems to go out of their way to misrepresent a lot of movies where the protagonist is a person of color, but put a lot of thought into everything they do for white Disney princess movies

[@roshanfey]

​@@aj.9h9p9d rapunzel's natural brown hair represents her heritage, true family, and most importantly her freedom, all of which were CELEBRATED in the film's resolution. it was the magical blonde superpowered hair that kept her trapped and got her kidnapped in the first place. there are valid criticisms to be made about how disney treats their characters of color, but you either did not understand tangled's symbolism, or you are too focused on optics and want something to complain about.

[@someguywithawooperpfp3163]

Tangled is me starting to draw something out of a random surge of motivation, and Wish is that same piece of art after I start drawing for a couple hours

[@berpfulu]

I dont even need to see your art to know whatever you draw definitely still has way more life to it than the entirety of the movie Wish.

[@ImD00dleBee]

my husband brought paper lanterns when he proposed to me, and at our wedding we danced to "i see the light". we both really like tangled

[@meowmachine9147]

That's incredibly sweet. I hope your relationship has only grown since getting married.

[@whatcanidooo]

My ex and I had this. I was so in love with them 😭

[@bigclitenergy]

@@whatcanidooo may i ask what happened

[@whatcanidooo]

@@bigclitenergy we had to break up cause of long distance. I realized my comment wasn’t exactly accurate 😅 cause we weren’t engaged. But I just meant that, we both loved tangled and we did a lot of cute romantic things involving it

[@truthseeker9249]

Why the hell did I get choked up reading this one little sentence! I seriously got tears welling up in my eyes. Yes I can see you guys both love Tangled. My fiance and I are an interracial couple so Elemental despite being a newer movie actually really touched both of us. We see ourselves in Ember and Wade and find ourselves watching it to bring us closer together.

[@WatermelonWhatThe]

Klaus did this whole "2d animation that looks like its 3d" thingy back in 2019, and the movie is soooooo much more fun to watch, the characters are memorable as well.

[@j3sterzart]

And it did it so much better fr 😭

[@makeshiftparadox]

I do feel like Klaus isn't the best comparison to wish. Klaus was trying to add an amazing feeling of depth into its animation through the use of extremely realistic/detailed lighting. Wish however was trying to invent a new and unique 3d artstyle that adapts features of an already existing 2d artstyle. I'd compare wish more to Puss in boots 2, Arcane, Spiderverse, The Bad Guys than to Klaus. (Not to say that Klaus is a bad movie, or that wish' animation quality is excusable, just to note that both movies had very differing goals in term of animation/art style)

[@delphilily]

Klaus was a absolute masterpiece, don't compare it to Wish

[@BrendanJSmith]

Disney did it with the Paperman short back in 2012!

[@BrokensoulRider]

@@makeshiftparadox Klaus is the animation style that Wish should have gone for. Completely 2d, but it had 3d elements/3d-like shadowing.

[@tokianaodo3424]

wish is a perfect example of a creative crew having wonderful ideas, like the star character being a love interest, the queen being evil, just for the out of touch executives to veto everything that could’ve made it more interesting just to try and appeal to the masses and completely failing miserably

[@TheDeadwolf11]

one of the main problems is that wish is made from cold colors, from the blues to the purple, there are barely any warm colors in it, except for the star. Tangled has a lot of warm colors, even her purple dress is a warm purple and not a cold purple. And in scenes where there are little warm colors, they do manage to emphesise with light or few warm tones. Next to that, they ahve very defined silhouettes, while wish just blends into the background.

[@sydney9011]

I was soured on Tangled for a little bit because my sister would NOT stop watching it, it was daily, but she was right, it's a certified perfect movie

[@onceuponahair20]

It is

[@OCDroodles]

Literally same, we had a car DVD player and it was on for months. But I came around and now it's my favorite princess film

[@sydney9011]

@@OCDroodles EXACTLY lol, that movie is so incredible that it transcends the frequency.

[@joethesmith2175]

I actually hated it when I first watched it as a kid, but now I can appreciate it!

[@freakthecentipede2743]

Now you could watch Tangled the serie~

[@X-Warrior.1119]

It is not Creative People's Fault...But it was just Business, Bad Decisions and Obsession Of Making Money!

[@p1zzabagels]

they would probably make more money if they made better descisions

[@X-Warrior.1119]

@@p1zzabagels - Yes...

[@youmadornahhh]

people really love to shit on artists when their criticism is better directed at the non-creative people in charge who make the decisions.

[@moaharbor]

it's funny because people constantly point out how good the original concepts were, who do you think made the original concepts???

[@xzizy]

yeah, i looked at the inital stages of the concept art, looks so fun! its a pity that asha didn't get what she deserved. They should have even asha's movie more time since the movie release year was already set. (I am just kinda salty that the business decisions removed star boy!)

[@karmalotto8587]

Wish has such a sleepy vibe that doesn't get me excited at all. The glowing star and soft colors make me think of a lullaby, like I'm a little kid being put down for bed. Osha's dress looks like a nightgown, not a dress. Even the goat character, it's wearing a sleepy onesie and it made me think of a sheep, another animal associated with sleep! They basically released a snoozer and now they're asking why people slept on it.

[@vellvette]

When I went to the movie theaters to see this movie, I quite honestly felt sleepy watching it. I had to get nudged awake multiple times so that I wouldn’t pass out in my seat!! The colors truly are dull and don’t stick out to me… And I fully agree with the “sleepy-vibe.” It’s nothing exciting.

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

I've realized long ago the reason why so many of these animated films feel similar. ALL THE CHARACTERS have similar set moves. Like identical animated set moves. The way the hand waves. The way their faces do certain expressions. They are preprogrammed set moves that they just put on a new skin. All of their moves are like that. Contrast this to how they animated The Rescuers for example. Penny has unique set body language. The rescue mice have set body language. Same as the villains. They have unique body language moves/expressions. With these new ones? Wish girl has the exact same body moves as every other CG protagonist. It is very obvious when they do that hand spread wide eyed expression of credulousness. It's the exact same body move everyone does.

[@hope7317]

i didn’t even process just how dull wish’s colors were until you switched to show shots from tangled and i feel like everything made sense

[@snickerdoodledragon]

“All that time, never even knowing just how blind I’ve been.”

[@owlmage2744]

LITERALLY 😭Me too

[@lavisnothere]

Can we also talk about the character depth? Rapunzel's greatest desire is to see the floating lights, because she sees them every year on her birthday and thinks it has something to do with her. She is not clueless to think otherwise, as to her the whole world is the tower and what's outside the tower. She's quirky and adorkable not for marketing purposes, but because the only person she's ever talked to is her adoptive mother and she doesn't know how on earth to communicate with strangers in a good manner. Then we have Asha, who wants to free the wishes for "something more than this" and is quirky and adorkable for the sake of being quirky and adorkable. Help.

[@Nopeasaurus]

Rapunzel being adorkable makes too little sense for me. As you said, she is locked in a tower you're entire life, only talks to her adoptive mother, and told the outside world is dangerous. As someone who grew up pretty sheltered and told the exact same thing as Rapunzel, my social skills definitely took a hit. I'd actually say she has amazing social skills, she easily wins over the bar of burly men and has no trouble talking to everyone and expressing herself. Realistically, Rapunzel should've been more like Elsa. I actually think they made her adokrable for marketing purposes as her lifestyle and upbringing should not result in this personality.

[@mariesummers.]

​@@Nopeasaurus - [Apologies/Warning in Advanced for Really Long Text] Eh, she definitely *could've* turned out that way. But Rapunzel is a person who grew up with *literally* a single person to see, engage with and know, and said person spent nearly every moment they were with Rapunzel bombarding her with 'things' to keep her happy, putting on an air of faux joy and excitement. If Rapunzel didn't seem particularly cheery, she was given some sort of incentive to be so. So by all accounts, Rapunzel was conditioned to behave cheery as much as she naturally was. On top of that, Gothel was gone often, and Rapunzel was lonely, so she spent her time talking to herself or a chameleon. Because of that, most of the social practice she got was through her own self-validation and exploration. She's sure of her goals, and that shows when she interacts with people. She's *not* accustomed to the sort of goals and attitudes other people might have, and that shows when she expresses her disbelief concerning violence for monetary gain, or when she has gullible takes despite blatant manipulation, etc. She may seem well adjusted, due to the fact that people receive her well and she's outgoing, sure. But she's also someone who was obviously confused and improvising when threatening Flynn early on (he could see right through her, and didn't take her seriously). She had no idea what 'the smolder' was supposed to be. She didn't talk to Flynn for comfort when she left the tower, instead spending hours talking to herself, the air, and pascal (Rapunzel processes negative emotions poorly, and isolates when feeling them/self-deprecates). She falls for Flynn's manipulation hook, line and sinker, and only doesn't return to her tower because hurting her mother (temporarily) was ultimately worth it to see the floating lights. And at the Snuggly Duckling, she doesn't win people over because she's got sophisticated socialization skills. She wins people over the same way an inexperienced kid with a small vocabulary but a big personality does. Rapunzel's charisma bringing out the best in people is less about her being socially adjusted and more about her being optimistic and headstrong, which only was able to aid her the way it did *because* she wasn't as worldly as to take certain cues the way, say, Eugene would. Then, despite being given stories about the dangers of the world, those stories tipped into things she probably just *wouldn't* encounter. Men with pointy teeth and cannibals? She never encountered them. And her biggest fear was ultimately that she'd be hunted for her hair. The *first* person she meets not only disproves that, but so do the rest of the people she meets. Flynn is downright confused and weirded out by the idea, and a satchel is more important to him. Nobody else even recognizes her hair as anything special outside of its length. People are more interested in capturing *Flynn* than her, and her naive plea that the Snuggly Duckling crew stop trying to earn big cash so she can see some lanterns showcases her lack of social awareness. Charisma comes in more forms than knowing how others communicate and tick, and people are moved by more than a deep understanding and skilled manipulation of social dynamics. Her innocence and empathy moves people, not raw social know-how. She's never had much reason to question whether she would be judged socially or behaved weird outside of Gothel, who put far more emphasis on Rapunzel being physically unsafe and immature than on her being a social reject.

[@avourrito1819]

​@@Nopeasaurus I can assume during her "interrogation" with Eugene was inspired or might even be referenced from books mother gothel got for her growing up and you can see how Eugene was just shooting back questions that made her evaluate her social intelligence a bit. The whole "put him down!" and explanation of why she needs that guy alive and well was literally over the top but everyone followed along. Y'know like an easy animation storyline characters in a scene does. I was 9 when the movie came out. I kept going back to the movie almost every year, evaluating and analysis the movie after I understand English better and then re-watch, re-evaluate, re-analyze again and again and finding more ways to understand this movie is a joy to me

[@saddeeds]

That’s the biggest plot hole in the movie, why was she even taught what a birthday is? And why would she be told the truth about her own birthday anyhow? Makes no sense.

[@jekentmenietje]

​@@saddeeds I have a hypothesis. I think Gothel tried to be a motherly figure and really did love Rapunzel in a way. At least as much as she was capable of loving someone. She probably threw Rapunzel birthday 'parties' when she was little, with stuffed animals or something. It's also probable that Rapunzel learned from her countless books. There are plenty reasons why she knows about birthdays. And Gothel probably never thought to change the date, since she never saw Rapunzel as anything more than an intelligent pet that just needs to be fed and entertained.

[@Nugget_0verlord]

What really cements Tangled as a visial masterpiece is the fact that I was listening to this video podcast style, but I could still remember every single visual you mentioned as if it had been printed into my mind, despite not having seen the film since it came out [when I was a CHILD mind you] yet I could not tell you what Asha's dress looks like beyond "sad purple." [Also Eugene and Rapunzel's relationship and their KISS changed my brain chemistry forever; that film really set the relationship standard for an entire generation fr]

[@aaridhita.]

they literally could use the stars, galaxy, constellation, moon and lot of aspects for the wish scene. like litteraly they could've made an aurora circle her or a magic fog... making a great background landscape could work tho not just plain night...

[@aaridhita.]

the movies overall had a mid story, we coulve a dramatic lightning, expressive narcissistic or even a star syndrome (that could relate to the star wish), a double evil relationship or a betrayal from a queen, star as the love interest could make an emotional farewell, could've made the family more sad story for the forgotten wish, the characters personality is literally overused after the tangled movie, we NEED a strong woman or full of judgement for Asha (stop making happy, silly, energetic girl pls we need more fierce or full of sarcasm woman), the idea of star could be better for the tangled similarities for the Asha ("you may lose the moon while counting the stars), please make one of her friends a moon character, the weird and deep pets is not working anymorr pls, Asha friend is kinda too much for the story.

[@notyournormalg1]

Tangled flopped at the box office?!? This is an alternate Disney history.

[@Swthhh]

Not exactly it had a budget of 260 mill and made 592 mil at the box office

[@artatmidnight]

technically it did make a good amount of money! double than what Wish made, actually. but it did not breakeven for disney. it also did not break into the pop culture mainstream unlike Frozen. to give you the numbers, Tangled’s production budget was an insane $260M and made $590M, but needed to make 2.5x the budget to breakeven with marketing costs (this is not included in the production budget). So it needed to make closer to $700M. it’s actually the most expensive animated movie in history! in contrast, a success like Frozen cost $150M and made $1.2 BILLION

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

I mean, it costed so much. It did... fine, but could have done much better cosidering the budget.

[@notyournormalg1]

@@artatmidnight I looked it up separately and yeah… it may have turned around the company into a second renaissance… but it didn’t do THAT well. Especially compared to the juggernauts to come after it. *ahem* frozen.

[@skkygavin9509]

@@artatmidnight i’m confused. What do you mean? It didn’t break into the mainstream tangled is a very popular Disney movie.

[@livtempleton]

Rosas being greyscaled and flat could have worked if they steered more into a 'Duloc' idea; that on the surface it looks beautiful, but it's actually cold, soulless, and sterile. Then to see it burst into colour at the end of the movie when people have their wishes and hope back.

[@mollusckscramp4124]

Duloc is the *perfect* description of what it resembles. I was shocked to hear that it was originally intended to be "near the mediterranean". The whole kingdom has such a cold feel to it the first place I would have guessed would've been Denmark or Sweden.

[@F1areon]

@@mollusckscramp4124 if only Rosas had the little singing information booth that Duloc had

[@Tetzyu]

I remember a rant bringing up how the story of Rosas was explained by the story book in the beginning. Right after that, Asha sang a song about information the audience already knows. Following what you said, they could’ve done a different approach. Seeming bright but actually being dull, Asha could’ve tied it in with the song by complimenting Rosas, almost too much?

[@livtempleton]

@@Tetzyu ooh yeah. A song that keeps uncomfortably hammering the idea that this place is so perfect and we are all so totally content, all the while with this undercurrent that something is very, very wrong

[@avocado3-in-182]

Duloc castle is honestly more colourful than Rosas kingdom. It is honestly shocking how they made a bountiful kingdom more boring and depressing than a castle with no people.

[@amystarr7654]

I didn't really think of the city as "themed" around the rose motif, but I had noticed it, and the petals. I remember going, "Oh, Rosas, they have a rose symbol. Wonder if the rose will be relevant." (It wasn't.) There are some things I really like about Wish. It has some really neat concepts it's working with. But I feel like it really needed longer to cook, and I think the obsession with packing in references really weakened it. Thank you for going in-depth on all the ways it artistically fell a little flat. It's a nice enough movie visually, but now I understand why it seemed weird and kind of bland a lot of the time. And well. I don't think I would say Tangled is a perfect movie, and definitely not my favorite (that goes to Lilo and Stitch), but it is a great movie, and really beautiful. And very much worth rewatching every now and again.

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

I agree with your take.

[@rebecaacosta8236]

18:38 I remember Dr. Facilier from The Princess and the Frog to be a more charming villain and whenever he used magic inside his tent or house (I don't remember well) it actually reflected so much of their character in their place.. it felt like them... I also see it in the Underworld with Hades that even though he was sent their by their god brothers, you can still feel how the Underworld is Hades and vice-versa... I completely agree with you it was lacking the character's personality

[@Audey]

As a 35 year old man... I too absolutely love Rapunzel and I'm so glad my daughter went through a Tangled phase. I was a stay at home dad the first time I saw Tangled and I identified with "When Will My Life Begin" so goddamn hard its unbelievable. We took a trip to Disney World last year and I honestly had to hold myself back when we met Rapunzel to let my daughter have her moment 😭😭

[@boo435]

How long is her hair? Despite the representation in the film, did your kid decide she wanted those luscious locks as well?

[@leecha3444]

That was sweet, thank you for sharing your story

[@Audey]

@@boo435 haha she does, and every morning she asks if she can have her hair down. Unfortunately it distracts her pretty bad so I have to say no on school days. I'm teaching myself to do cool braids though so at least she's not stuck with just a plain pony tail

[@MikuoIrl]

@@Audey awweee ur such a sweet dad 😭

[@WouldntWeather]

Another issue with Wish is that Jennifer Lee fired most of the talented Disney veterans and/or just fostered such a toxic and hostile work environment that it drove very good people away. And then she replaced them for inexperienced younger artists who just did not have the same passion for Disney as all those people she fired and drove off. Film Threat talks about this at length in their D-Files series, namely in part 5 of the D-Files.

[@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646]

Man that’s really sad

[@tesslichtman7302]

Wow. That’s a shame. I. Like the Frozen franchise, but I’ve come to realize that Jennifer Lee has her issues. I’ll have to watch Part 5 of the D Files.

[@MoonlightBrillance]

@@tesslichtman7302What other issues has Jennifer Lee had? This is the first I’m hearing all of this.

[@tesslichtman7302]

@@MoonlightBrillance Neither was I. I meant creative issues with how she wrote Wish and some aspects of Frozen.

[@kipolem53]

Can't wait for part 17 of the D-files where they talk about the making of Moana 2 and the Vancouver studio that made it. That will be a hoot.

[@Vanny_87_]

Tangled is genuinely my favorite Disney film of all time, It was so so close to me as a kid, and I loved how it wasn't afraid to be somewhat dark/eerie when it needs to be, it really just had so much charm and life to it.

[@Average_Jae]

I forgot exactly how much I love Tangled until you talked abt the lanterns and the fact that eve n that single one does carry so much emotion and they're so beautiful and yea :)

[@sweetheartdemon6869]

Also the SONGS!! First off the music and visuals just dont go together, dancing chickens and an empty city?? Also the word play is so bad "watch out world here I ARE" its like they wanted to copy Encanto's music without hiring Lin Manuel Miranda

[@user-wq6kz9py2x]

That's true and some of the parts of it seem lazy

[@Victoria-_]

Exactly they’re not good at all, while Tangled’s soundtrack is phenomenal

[@kipolem53]

Lin-Manuel Miranda better do right by Mufasa because people have way too much faith in him even after he blessed people's ears with "Scuttlebutt."

[@Bunny_Bill]

"Im always here if you need to vent" 💀

[@Ally-Oozy]

I know this is kind of random but my favorite encanto lyric and even line is literally just Bruno singing "WE NEED A DOORKNOB!" At the end lol

[@gremlinmads]

What baffles me is that the “moving painting” look of a movie isn’t even all that new. 2017’s Loving Vincent is one of the earlier and imo best examples. Like cmon disney, ITS RIGHT THERE

[@marysias4683]

2023's The Peasants too. Absolute masterpieces ignored

[@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa]

To be fair, Loving Vincent is an absolute GOLIATH of an animated film in terms of workload, but that’s because the best way to faithfully recreate the texture of his paintings was to do it traditionally, like absolute madmen. I wonder if cg animation can come close to that kind of effect, but other than maybe spiderverse and tmnt (though none of them were aiming for oil paint specifically) I’m blanking on examples.

[@z2yn]

Disney tried to imitate DreamWorks Puss in Boots the last Wish - and it backfired hard.

[@zowy4490]

​@@z2ynwhen?? I don't remember any movie trying to imitate puss in boots so genuinely asking!

[@Nic_2751]

@@zowy4490because Spider-Verse

[@Yeodoongiiie]

also... Rapunzel is such a sweet girl. innocent. falling in love for the first time too. and her look of disbelief and being heartbroken, as flynn floats away on the boat (not knowing he is tied up and passed out) the look on her face, took me back to my own feeling on being a young girl and believing in the best, not knowing heart ache yet. it was just so good! and it really made her one of my favorite characters. tangled is not afraid to show romance and bravery and sacrifice.

[@lydia-rose5756]

Tangled only gets better as I get older and it’s one of my favorite films. I vividly remember watching it in the theater when I was 5 and I have a lot of nostalgia towards promotional stuff and toys that came out at that time. It’s one of my comfort films and it’s one of the things that fill me with genuine awe, joy, and comfort whenever I think about. It’s just one of those films I can watch frequently and never get sick or tired of it. I just love it so much 🥹.

[@BelleRebato]

Do you guys also remember puss in boots 2? No wishes in that movie was granted but their wish concept was very clever. Imagine a shooting star creating a magical map that generates an obstacle to those who hold it. And that journey teaches the person that the wish they're looking for was there all along. While disney's wish had a concept that no person should decide whose wishes will be granted or not and people's should pursue those wishes themselves. Sure, it's a good message but a poor execution. Because at the end of the movie, Asha became fairy godmother even though they already told us that wishes shouldn't be granted by one person and they left her in-charge of magic lol

[@veronikamajerova4564]

The funny thing is, in PiB2, everbody who held the map GOT their wish in the end, no magic required, just not in the way they imagined it. Jack wanted to have all the magic in the world, and he ended drowning in the most potent magic there is - but without the ability to control it Puss wanted new lives, and he started new life with Kitty and Perrito Kitty wanted somebody she could trust, and she found it with Puss and Perrito Perrito wanted a real name, and he got one he chose himself Goldie wanted a proper family, in the end she realized she already had one, maybe not one she imagined, but one that was "just right" for her I think this is pretty good message: sometimes your wish does come true, just not in the way you expect and sometimes without you even realizing it.

[@Solesteam]

The moral of wish felt like: Your wish regardless of the danger it could pose to yourself or others should always be granted because you want it.

[@DTHains]

Speaking of Puss in Boots, it pulled off the lower framerate concept way better than Wish did. I remember when the first Spiderverse movie came out, the art style looked so different and fresh. Even though the framerate of the characters was lowered, the use of the different textures and colors and everything elevated the overall quality, making the lower framerate look like a very deliberate choice. While Puss in Boot 2's framerate was pretty normal for most of the movie, they did lower it for the action sequences, and made up for it with very clever choreography and and camerawork. Wish looks absolutely awful in comparison. They lowered the framerate, but they didn't enhance the visuals with anything else. As a result, the lower framerate and choppy movements of the characters feels like a rendering mistake, not something intentional.

[@shwunari]

@@DTHains I suggest watching How Spider-Verse Broke The Rules of 3D Animation by No The Robot. He exclaims in great detail how and why the spiderverse animation worked so well. and I am sure other creators have done the same to explain the animation process. I think disney should get a few pointers from that animation team LMAAOO

[@DTHains]

@@shwunari Thanks, I'll definitely check it out!

[@Queen_Monkey]

Also I’d like to say, another reason why rapunzel’s color palette works SO much better than Asha’s, is because the warmness of her golden hair compliments that floral purple color. Cause yellow and purple are opposites are on the color wheel so when you carefully select those specific shades, it’s just chef’s kiss whereas Asha, has this pretty purple color but it doesn’t compliment her natural glow whereas I feel like you said, an orange and pink would for her well

[@reyo6353]

this is an interesting issue. Rapunzel had gold hair, green eyes, and peach skin, a built in color palette. Asha has dark brown hair, brown skin, and brown eyes. You need an entirely different mind set of color selection to compliment that that. I would have veered toward two colors, such as red and purple or red and gold to go with and warm up the brown.

[@elizgargoles4682]

​@@reyo6353 Nahhh, I think that wouldn't create so much contrast with her, she'll look too dark and plain. I think she'll look much better in warm lighter colors, like peach or pink.

[@squidwardsclarinet4209]

@@reyo6353 that's why dolores' color palette fits so well. From all the Madrigal family, she stucks out the most to me, especially with her big bow that made her silhoutte really unique in comparison to asha. Not saying that they should copy dolores' design, but if they try to put more article of clothing or memorable color pallete, Asha would definetly pop as a lead!

[@hannahuser12345]

i think they should’ve made asha’s dress more cool red purple instead of just having red an accent color by the cool blue purple, to reference the rose insignia. because rapunzel’s purple is very warm and vibrant, like the purple in corona’s sun insignia. it fits.

[@amylinh0309]

I heard that they initially decided for a violet color palette for Asha to kind of match with the Star Boy that was supposed to be bright yellow and shiny.

[@servicepupphoenix1615]

Tangled is one of my top 3 favorites of all time, because I relate to repunzel and her relationship with Mother Gothel. The emotional unavailability and utter neglect, down to the spite after Repunzel was returned to Mother Gothel. It's so similar to my relationship with my own mother, and it gives me hope that I'll have a happy ending, just like Repunzel.

[@Malin0vkka]

An in-depth video about Tangled is something i would DIE FORRR i would rewatch it every day because i love tangled so much

[@thesuperchallengebros]

20:22 You know your movie is doomed when a glowing orb with appendages has more personality in its movements than your human heroine.

[@G00fystrxwberry_puppets]

Fr

[@Oak_Eggar]

😭 like fr, i love when silly lil objects have personality, but the fact that asha doesnt have any in comparison is worrying, in the past, animal companions had personality with their given princess (or character in general) not just more personality than the film itself

[@thesuperchallengebros]

@@Oak_Eggar Oh gosh yeah. Imagine if Pascal from Tangled had more personality than Rapunzel? O-o Truthfully, it's saddening to see the decline of Disney films like this.

[@naoki5579]

@@thesuperchallengebros it honestly feels like Pascal has more personality than the ENTIRE wish-movie, and that… that’s just sad.

[@abrenn]

I've said it before and I'll say it again!! Wish wanted what the Spiderverse movies, Arcane, and Nimona all had but refused to commit to at every opportunity. There's also a video game called "Dordogne" and it has an entirely watercolor based art style. If I recall correctly, they used actual watercolor paintings. I also want to be clear that I am not blaming the animators for the movie's visual faults. They had to have been overworked and underpaid, and the artbook shows they had good ideas that were inevitably shot down for the safest possible option. I've also heard that the movie was supposed to be all 2D animation but was changed sometime during production, but I don't know how true that is haha

[@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa]

Gris is another gorgeous watercolour-esque game. I’ll have to check out Dordogne sometimes, it looks really charming!

[@purpleabsol2115]

Child of Light also uses a watercolor style and blends 2D sprites and 3D models really well, I still need to finish it though

[@abrenn]

@@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa it is charming!! though fair warning that Dordogne gets super emotional near the end lmao (at least it did for me) also I've never heard of Gris but it looks absolutely gorgeous, I adore those color palettes!

[@abrenn]

@@purpleabsol2115 Ooh! It definitely blends 2D/3D super well and everything looks like it has such a delicious texture to it!

[@jessicaosmun5129]

Yes, also Puss in Boots!

[@wanaan]

Wish needs a makeover, a director's cut that is not constrained by time. It has so much potential, I don't even dare to see it goes to waste.

[@Rawrrasaur]

There was a part in the video where you talked about their stories. I was thinking that when Tangled and Frozen came out, they had a competition, and 3D animation was exciting for them. It might have been easier to tell a story about wanting to explore everything when you're excited to explore. With Wish, it's been 100 years of being one of the top animation studios. What more could they wish for when things are already promising? Just a thought.

[@mxngos7493]

6:25 its like the team was full of sad beige moms 😭part of what made tangled so amazing visually were the warm and welcoming colors. The golden hair, the warm lavender, the bright green grass-- it made kids see the world as inviting and exciting just like how Rapunzel herself felt. When you put grey, washed out colors into a scene, you will make kids look at the world as if it is only in shades of sadness.

[@chrrycola2717]

That’s what happens when you let millennials think they’re creative

[@nidohime6233]

@@chrrycola2717 More like when you let CEOs have too much control of a movie.

[@quacksalotl]

it seems like wish's color palette has a lot of cool colors too and its especially apparent next to the warm palette of tangled and it definitely does not help wish escape the sad beige mom designer allegations lmaoo

[@adararelgnel2695]

I think they WERE going for a gray washed out town because "everything was not as good as UT seems". The people seem happy... but their environment says otherwise, in reality, without their wishes, everyone is empty inside, reflected in the colours of the town.

[@ronderulijkummar]

Yes! There is a show called the Wingfeather Saga that went for the watercolour look and actually added colour - look up some trailers or edits and you'll see what I mean!

[@carebear2025b]

one thing that i find interesting is that Jennifer Lee, the writer, is trying to make a classic disney fairy-tale, which is something she's NEVER done. the Frozen movies are actually created as subversions of the formula !!

[@toyosibee.mp3]

THAT'S....A GREAT POINT...I give Lee a lot of shit (her "writing style" of endlessly changing the story practically up to premiere date and forcing the animators to just change on a dime) but this feels like a project she definitely shouldn't have been so heavily involved in...I guess Disney figured "you made a billion dollar movie for us, can you do it again? And again? And Again? And AGAIN?"

[@carebear2025b]

@@toyosibee.mp3 I definitely agree with how she creates a difficult environment for her animators, but I do like her writing style, specifically how she handles her characters like in Frozen and Wreck It Ralph. that being said, I thinks she shouldn't be head of Disney at all. her style doesn't work with most of the projects under her leadership and the work environment isn't good for the animators.

[@magicwandstudio3141]

@@carebear2025b I am not sure I agree with Frozen. The only thing that i still like about that movie is the song let it go. The annoying sidekick like Olaf and the Goat, female MC with basically the same personality just with different skin (seriously for all the criticism of old Disney princess, she didn't do any better. Just replacing a stereotype with another stereotype), inconsistent character of Elsa (she was confident after she belt that song only to get scared again quickly, the deleted song "life to short" should be able to remedy that), it just a mess I think. The song Let it Go was added last minute because its good and hence the entire story change. it's no wonder only the song that seems to be likeable for me. All the problem that i list seems to appear again in Wish. In a way, Wish is Frozen without Let it Go, which is worse. I really think she need to be demoted.

[@Greybell]

​@@toyosibee.mp3so she singlehandedly created the surprise villain trend at Disney?

[@grantarmstrong9648]

Well calling it a "Subversion" of the formula is a bit of a stretch since it basically started a completely new one for Disney in the 2010's with the shitty twist villain cliché.

[@karolabusquets9358]

the moment you said it was set in the mediterranean i made the funniest expression because WHAT? a mediterranean village is so full of life, rich colour, ambience and incredible architecture thanks to the cultural exchange that happened throughout the centuries and this is the best they've got? it breaks my heart as a mediterranean girl because i would've loved a beautiful disney movie set in a town like mine.

[@shootingstars303]

I think Wish is really the epitome of this phase that Disney is in that prioritizes cashing in on quick money rather than telling a quality story. It's why there are so many live action remakes, they don't want to invest in new ideas where you take creative risks for a bigger pay off in the story and art. Like even in its announcement and trailers, Wish never felt like its own thing even though it's supposed to be a feature film. Seeing the muted colors, the bland songs, the flat story telling, the terrible HAIR ANIMATION just made me want to cry because that's what Disney has been known to excel at in the past. I think you hit the nail on the head with time constraints being a major reason for the movie being so soulless, since looking it up, they started development in 2018 which is only 5 years plus probable set backs from the pandemic??? Whereas Tangled had over a decade?? My heart goes out to the animators, I'm sure they were overworked trying to finish this movie on such a hard deadline

[@wret2543]

19:56 I honestly HATE how they animated Asha's hair it's so boring an uncreative. box braids love to whip around and create bold curling silhouettes. She had beautiful beads in her hair in the concept art and it's a shame they were removed. Her hair ends up looking like this very flat black rectangle towel on her head:/

[@karathewolfsfanficchannel933]

I swear they animated her hair like it’s loose 2A. How do you fumble so badly. It moves like an old Square Enix game

[@wret2543]

@@karathewolfsfanficchannel933 honestly i hated when they gave her the generic "flowy hair" trope during her song that has been done better countless times. If this is going to be your first black female protagonist with box braids actually show how unique box braids are. they animate her hair no differently from regular straight hair.

[@CharlesRoger893]

I HATE her hair so much, it moves like straight hair and not box braids at all. What were they thinking?

[@wret2543]

@@CharlesRoger893 exactly. black women's hairstyles have been so underrepresented in animation and this was their opportunity to go all out. looking back at the concept art asha's braids translate much better in 2d

[@chrrycola2717]

I hated how they even gave her those ghetto ratty braids 😂 wonder if she takes them down she’ll be nappy headed

[@kalarior07]

Tangled have also amazing small detalis like when Mother Gothel touch Rapunezl she only touches her hair, and when Flayn do it he always takes away hair from her face

[@shwunari]

AWWW I ACTUALLY LOVE THAT. he wants to see HER and not her HAIR bc he loves Rapunzel for who she is. but gothel only loved the magical properties of the hair and didnt actually love her

[@knightnighttx3]

Bro even just seeing the clips from Tangled without audio made me feel a little emotional. Those scenes have my heart. I will never go out of my way to fully watch Wish though.

[@maxishere0000]

I wanna compare the glowing orbs to the ones in inside out- they’re supposed to represent wishes, but they’re plain. In inside out, they represent life and memories and you can see that in every point of the movie where you can see them! In this, they’re just weird glowing balls.

[@w1nn0v4k]

yeah, maybe if they'd made every wish orb have a different color, one color for each person, it might have improved visually

[@silencespectrereaper]

You summed Disney up in just one sentence: "Corporate and charmless" No further explanation required.

[@Honeydoyou]

Precisely

[@IvyroseGullwhacker]

I honestly think that Glen Keane's contribution to Disney heroines - both in design and soul - cannot be understated. Rapunzel. Ariel. Jasmine. Tangled was Keane's passion project, and it shows in so many ways. You get his vision accompanied by Alan Menken's score...it maintains the magic of the '90s while still keeping it modern. 14 years later and Tangled still holds up. Wish didn't hold up after 14 hours.

[@BbGun-lw5vi]

Glen Keane’s daughter was instrumental in Rapunzel’s design. She really understood the character and added so much to the story.

[@rowantic6539]

I am sorry but wish did not even hold up during the movie. Something about this movie is just so ofputting

[@GodwynDi]

​@rowantic6539 The story. It runs counter to both life and the prior lessons Disney used to teach. It promotes being selfish and wishing to get what you want with no thought or consequence. Just compare it to the sorcerer's apprentice or lion king, or aladdin. And, in doing so, the references feel less like an homage to Disney's past and more like an attempt to infiltrate and corrupt it and take over to reframe it.

[@claireboswell6882]

She did all the art in the tower, too!

[@Sparess]

I feel like Wish's biggest problem was the cellshading. They really should've taken a hint from Spiderman: Into The Spiderverse

[@jamesturnbull128]

Tangled has got to be my favourite Disney film ever, and up there with my favourite films of all time. I'm so excited to see a full longer video giving an in depth analysis of everything that makes it a wonderful film. This is the first video of your channel I've watched and I was so disappointed to find that it was your most recent video, I was hoping to see the tangled analysis ready up haha. Looking forward to watching that though!

[@maddyrock101]

I used to watch Tangled every time me and my best friend had a sleepover together which already made such a perfect movie have such a personal connection. I look forward to your Tangled video, it is definitely my favorite Disney movie!

[@alanamotta3974]

One of the things I really like about rapunzel's tower is how the paintings vary a lot in quality. You can really see that she really grew up in that place

[@princessthyemis]

They vary in quality?! That's an awesome attention to detail! I never noticed that!

[@MishKoz]

Some of the "flat" looking scenes straight up look like they're from a video game. A very well-made video game, maybe... but not a _movie_

[@definitelynotashark1799]

They reminded me of cutscenes in Kingdom Hearts. Just open, empty backgrounds because they're supposed to be traversed freely, and the capabilities of the PS2 severely limiting the number of characters on screen 💀

[@reginaldforthright805]

Original xbox at best

[@DrEnzyme]

As a game developer who has worked with these kinds of properties I agree. The low frame rate looks like something you'd do to optimize performance in a game, and good games often go out of their way to use a TON of different shaders throughout any given scene to get a specific look while Wish looks like they dialed back all of their colours and effects to try and achieve a painted look that they didn't nail.

[@goldenhate6649]

Everyone wanted the spiderverse effect. Movies such as Puss and Boots 2 did it amazingly (along with incredibly vibrant scenes and amazing animation and an actually good story), wish is the total personification of DEI.

[@Mem0447]

now i cant even see it as a movie, just game cutscenes

[@XenoniX.]

I absolutley love Tangled! Rapunzel is my favourite, and so is Flynn as well, so I totally relate! The lanturn scene left me so in awe that I went to see it 3 times by myself in theaters :D

[@flipflopzthreeonethree1873]

As a fellow girlie obsessed with Tangled, I would be ECSTATIC if you made a video on it. I remember seeing it when it came out in theaters when I was 9 and being blown away by how pretty it was. When I rewatched it 13 years and a creative writing degree later, I was blown away by how FREAKING GOOD the entire thing is. The songs are all fantastic, the romance is so sweet and isn't forced, the jokes all land pretty well, and like you said, it's so sincere and charming, and that absolutely shows in the writing. In my mind, Tangled is pretty close to a perfect film, and I'm not even a huge Disney fan. This video was a fun watch, despite me not even watching Wish, so I would love to see your thoughts on Tangled!

[@hey_bucklebob]

It's wild because I never knew Tangled was supposed to be a celebration of older Disney movie. I always look back at Tangled as a fantastic, charming, TIMELESS movie that I love. In contrast, the Easter eggs in Wish are all I can see. It literally has nothing else to offer.

[@princessthyemis]

Wow I never knew that, either! Goes to show how good it is because it stands on its own!

[@WEptown]

Timeless like the USA stealing the land from the Native Americans and torturing the people for generations?? Because that is what the King did..... not to mention the many atrocities Rapunzel commited!

[@maoniu]

seeing the kingdom of rosas is like seeing a kingdom made by a modern minimalism architect

[@NikosTea]

What gets to me the most about that is that the styles it's clearly inspired by - like Moroccan/Moorish architecture - are so very cool in real life. Their buildings are full of beautiful geometric patterns and intricate carved details and... COLOUR. They're elegant and precise AND vibrant and lively. I can't get over the colour thing. I haven't watched Wish so this video is how I found it's meant to be set in a Mediterranean kingdom. I'm from the Mediterranean. Bright colours on buildings have been the go-to for cultures all around here since forever. Its such a visually stimulating place and failing to use that in a Mediterranean fantasy setting is baffling 😅

[@julibee3327]

I love how you analysed everything so well, it made so much sense when you explained it. Thank you for that!

[@curiousauthor9827]

tangled was one of my favourite movies when i was a kid, i loved the comparisons you made here and i would love to see a video of you talking about it !

[@kiiroshidori4296]

In Tangled, it’s blatantly obvious that the sun in THE symbol, it’s everywhere, even on the lanterns Rapunzel wanted to see. Wish? Like, sure Rosas is probably a name related to roses, but I was truly under the impression that the royal symbol was a star. I mean, it’s on the royal outfits, on the queen’s hair-do, and Asha was supposed to really like stars, right??? I even have trouble remembering her name is Asha. And the watercolors - i had a friend who only drew with watercolor, and it was always simplistic yet bright flowers, full of life. Oh, almost forgot to mention, the star rain on Asha’s dress… kinda look like bird droppings to me. All of this and even more which others have already complained about makes me wonder how heartbroken all the people who worked on this movie with passion and love feel. It’s quite sad. But your video made me once again appreciate how good tangled is. My entire family likes it! Especially the track Kingdom Dance, it’s so good!!

[@nidohime6233]

It is odd. Perhaps is because roses are often associated with romantic plots, but here there is no romance of sorts.

[@kiiroshidori4296]

@@nidohime6233 Roses symbolize all kinds of affection, but there is such a big difference between “it’s really everywhere” and “it’s in the small details”. The stars just had more presence in a movie about wishing on a star and magic coming from the stars...

[@magicwandstudio3141]

Instead or Rose, it should be Borage, a purple star-shaped flower.

[@tessfabled4115]

@@nidohime6233 There was, but you can guess what happened :/

[@b.collins2656]

there's so many options they could've used such as balloon flowers, clematis, passionflowers, or purple asters (which would be a cute easter egg since "aster" is greek for "star"). hell, they could've even played with theming based off of the character by associating magnifico with nightshade, adding another layer of symbolism because it's a poisonous plant called *night*shade when stars are associated with the main protagonist.

[@xiopaovid1215]

And I will say, after I saw what Disney did with their Once Upon An Animation short. I had higher expectations for Wish. Deeply disappointing.

[@vincenthoule5643]

Me too

[@RandomPianistt]

so you wished it was better

[@damita_0709]

OMDs I LOVE your enthusiasm for tangled, cud tbh it has a permanent position in my top animation movies

[@MoxieMcMurder]

I love how much detail you go into in these videos with the art books etc. I love Tangled and I haven't seen Wish but I'm inclined to agree with your assessment. 😊

[@callmecloudy6225]

I think camera shots are a big factor of what ruined the aesthetics of Wish. In the song where we're introduced to Rosas, where there should be focus on the surroundings (the stone path, the houses, the animals, the decorative plants), they instead focus on the people's impressed faces of the town. It gives us little of our own imagination and impression and limits it to what the side-characters think of it, which is like saying: "We don't really care what you think of the environment, just know that *these* guys appreciate it a lot."

[@princessthyemis]

Oooo excellent!!!!

[@autumnblueberry]

I've never been a huge fan of Disney movies, but after watching so many video essays about how terrible Wish is in art, music, theme, characters, etc, I have a whole new appreciation for older Disney movies and I want to binge them all now

[@ER3G]

I've liked Disney fairy tales for a long time, but lately that's what caused me to hate them. Tangled is a gem and I adore such works, for the emotions they bring and the great artistic processing

[@heyitzdove]

I got chills (good chills) almost EVERY TIME you talked about and showed Tangled

[@EdisonSpaeth]

Wow. I really love thoroughness, passion, and honesty. Keep up the great work!

[@Billthebullet]

I've always thought that "This is the Thanks I get" could've had a fantastic reprise. Like, it shows up early in the movie as Magnifico seeming appreciative of his people's love or something, then gets a reprise after the mask slips

[@maem7462]

That would’ve worked so much better

[@thelostonetxt8450]

Similar to how mother knows best was

[@202cardline]

When the trailer came out I took a screenshot, changed it to grayscale and sent it to my friend because a Disney animation with so little CONTRAST was wild. It’s not just the colors, it’s how little contrast there is. Like you said the beloved Paperman short is grayscale and it holds a lot of visual interest due to high contrast and composition Not every shot has to be dramatic lighting Caravaggio ect. but such a basic concept getting lost is just wild to me. Maybe they tried to experiment too hard and rendering killed it. Some neutral colors are important in design especially to make the vibrant ones pop more - for CONTRAST - I’ll just stop here… Lilo and Stitch is a great example of watercolors done well, take my hand and let’s go watch that together

[@danibee]

This. Watercolor isn't flat and soulless (inherently). It can be very vibrant and energetic. Lilo and Stitch is a beautiful example of vivid colors, and deep value contrast with watercolor texture.

[@AlanaAxley]

Yes to all of this!!! Thank you for outlining these issues so articulately, loved to watch it! Please please do make a video all for Tangled, I also super identify with Rapunzel and am in love with Eugene 🥰😂😂

[@aafreens.art.]

though i havent watched wish, i do completely agree. your point about pushing the saturation could have definitely helped but another thing i noticed is that there was a lot of subsurface scattering used in tangled which helps it in giving off the warm and cozy vibe while there has been zero usage of subsurface scattering in wish (from the clips ive seen in the video) which is one the most noticeable things that makes it look so without life and soulless

[@jovic_sawyer]

I WAS TALKING WITH MY FRIEND YESTERDAY EXACTLY THIS! Asha and her movie is, sadly, a carbon copy of the glamour of Rapunzel and the magnificent Tangled movie.

[@kipolem53]

Tangled knew enough to make the bunch of minor characters, all those thugs with names like Killer and Vladimir, be only a small part of the movie and then come back at the end. Wish forces seven dwarf fill ins even though only three of those characters do anything in the film of significance. Even in original Snow White the biggest hitters are Doc, Grumpy, and Dopey, in this case replace Dopey with Sleepy and that fixes some of the problems. I mean because Simon does play a role.

[@jovic_sawyer]

@@kipolem53 I mean, the worst thing in Wish is the need to do pointless callbacks that adds nothing to the story.

[@lisal.5801]

As Spanish, I have to say that apart from art and story, historically speaking Asha is not a character adjusted in any way to Hispanic culture. The story is supposed to take place in the Spain of Alandalus, where there was the Arab Caliphate. Even so, Asha wears dreadlocks (which are not Arab or Moroccan, they are from South Africa) and also the city in which the story supposedly takes place is Roses. Roses is an area that actually exists and in fact I spend my holidays there myself. Roses is a beautiful coastal town in the north of Spain, which precisely because it was quite far north (almost touching France) was never conquered by the Moors. Honestly, if they wanted to make a racialized and Spanish character, they could have opted for a city in the South, with art similar to Jasmin or Esmeralda... It doesn't feel spanish at all!!

[@Dragonild]

I didn’t even realize how much I loved Tangled until recently. It was the first Disney movie I remember watching and connecting to, and as I get older I appreciate even more all the things that made it so good. It has nostalgia for me, but also stands alone as a story I love re-watching!

[@putzehoje]

When I first heard about this movie, I thought it was just going to be a Disney+ short film and I was already underwhelmed by it. Finding out it was an actual movie was shocking.

[@sakuradream4660]

I never realized how much I love Tangled until now. Kingdom dance has my whole entire heart

[@youtube-headquarters]

The way I got WHIPLASH every time you cut from Wish's sad, muted, grey scenes to the most gorgeous, vibrant EYE CANDY from Tangled. What in the world were they thinking??

[@chloe5231]

tangled has been my absolute favourite movie since it came out when i was a kid. I remember going to see it in the cinema and absolutely LOVING it and then buying it on DVD and just ugh nostalgia when i watch it. im going to watch it again tonight.

[@marianabonilla8478]

The setup for Rosas reminded me of Lord Farquad’s kingdom 😭😂

[@laurend1307]

OMG That's why it looked so familiar!!! 🤣

[@stardust948.]

Wish feels like it wants to be like Spiderverse but didn't want to put in the time to refine the animation. I mean it took 4 years to make one Spiderverse movie and that's with overworking the animators

[@kipolem53]

It has been said that Wish started in 2018. Maybe that was just the germination of the idea, I dunno, but that is the year given for when it got its inception, and obviously it was done and ready to go before the strikes happened. But still at least four years occur between that yeah and it when it was finalized.

[@eevee97huanterevv7]

Girllllllll your whole video was like my thoughts said in word , also TANGLED is probably the one movie I watch at least once a month cause it’s that good ( and usually I don’t do rewatches) all in all I LOVED your vid ❤❤❤

[@maddenboseroy4074]

According to TV Tropes, not only was Tangled able to reference as much of the original fairy tale as possible (a plant important to the witch being robbed by Rapunzel's father for Rapunzel's mother, with Rapunzel herself getting kidnapped as payment afterwards; the idea of Rapunzel losing her innocence, even down to her virginity (in the original tale, the witch discovers her to be pregnant with twins; while in the film, the crown apparently represents virginity); the symbolism of blindness (in the original tale, as revenge for Rapunzel's pregnancy, the witch tricks the prince into climbing a thorny vine, then sends him sliding down it so that he becomes blind; in the film, look no further than "At Last I See The Light"); and the tear that saves Rapunzel's love), but Rapunzel herself ended up referencing every Disney princess before her (and according to Fridge Brilliance, Rapunzel might also be one of, if not the strongest Disney princess, given that she treats a cast iron skillet as if she were Thor and the frying pan were Mjolnir).

[@a.bit.chaotic]

They also removed Star Boy and Villain couples from the story too, which to me, could have 100% been explored if they were given the time to do so! This also includes Asha's character. In the deleted scenes of Wish, she seemed to have more of a reserved personality than the "copy and paste" personality from the main protagonists after Tangled came out. It would have been a breather and a really fun way to explore her character. Not only this, but the character models aren't even water colored or there isn't enough of that style to convey that feeling. I know this because I tried doing water colors on the characters, and it is very clear on the difference between water colors and 3d style. Although I really don't like the movie, but I suggest looking at the Wish Fandom since they are all about rewriting the story and exploring ideas that were not done in the film, which ironically is pretty fun explorations and have more thought and care put into them than the creators of the film.

[@generalcodsworth4417]

We were robbed of the villain couple. They could've been icons for all of eternity, but now we just have a strange king who becomes evil for no good reason after starting with a good point and an underexplored queen who tries once to save her husband and then decides "screw him, to the dungeon forever with you."

[@a.bit.chaotic]

@@generalcodsworth4417 exactly! I REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND AMAYA AT ALL. She adds nothing for the plot, and removing her wont even change much story wise. And I also agree. Magnifico was so in the right, but the creators for some reason made it more of a check mark. Like "oh wait we have to have a villain" and throws in a book and called it a day, when it should have been explored and developed throughly throughout the story :(

[@SarahWilliams-dv4kx]

Tangled's lanterns always reemind me of the Chinese lantern festival. And that festival is pretty amazing to see in real life. I think the animators did a good job capturing a similar moment and putting that into a movie. Maybe it that there is just something stunning about a sky that you always see is clear, be filled with lights.

[@BlackXSunlight]

10:22 it's also an almost exact shot and textual verse as Belle's song in Beauty & the Beast; similarly, Belle wants more than "this" but we see how she's outcasted and ostracized by her town to give her desire to leave more meat, and we also get sprinklings of her desire for romance and fairytales.

[@Primal_aspid.]

Wish's artstyle reminds me a lot of Nimona's. Both look sort of 'flat' and unrendered but Nimona makes up for it with it's dynamic movements and exaggerated expressions.

[@ladybugamks]

Nimona was such a cute movie! Now I want to go watch it again! 😊

[@Doomsword0]

That’s a great comparison

[@Primal_aspid.]

@@Doomsword0 ty!

[@Ghv5t]

AND COLOR! I love all the colorful visuals it has while also having darker more muted parts to reflect the mood and personality of certain areas

[@Pupcakes_69]

The artstyle kinda reminds me of Sofia the First.