Arthur Ashe "Women Don't Deserve The Same Amount Of Prize Money As Men" | The Dick Cavett Show

American tennis player Arthur Ashe discusses the gender pay gap in tennis and how he believes women don't deserve the same amount of prize money as men in 1980. He explains how he believes the salary of a player is valued according to the amount of entertainment they bring to the sport, rather than their ability or skill to play. As in entertainment, where a bigger star would be paid more for a performance than a newcomer, he concludes men should be paid more (at that time) due to their bigger box office appeal over women.
Date aired - December 3rd 1980 - Arthur Ashe
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Dick Cavett has been nominated for eleven Emmy awards (the most recent in 2012 for the HBO special, Mel Brooks and Dick Cavett Together Again), and won three. Spanning five decades, Dick Cavett’s television career has defined excellence in the interview format. He started at ABC in 1968, and also enjoyed success on PBS, USA, and CNBC.

His most recent television successes were the September 2014 PBS special, Dick Cavett’s Watergate, followed April 2015 by Dick Cavett’s Vietnam. He has appeared in movies, tv specials, tv commercials, and several Broadway plays. He starred in an off-Broadway production ofHellman v. McCarthy in 2014 and reprised the role at Theatre 40 in LA February 2015.

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[@TheDickCavettShow]

What do you think of this issue? Has the debate moved on today?

[@inwardseer]

This might have been said Yesterday , glacial changes(Pre-Warming Glaciers!).

[@GQ2593]

Woman tennis is less attractive because women are less agile than men. It's still true today as it was back then. However, there is no room today to even hold such an opinion. Political correctness has erased all non-egalitarian viewpoints.

[@jamesanthony5681]

@@Kaitain I believe what Ashe was saying was that because men's tennis was more entertaining than the women's game (in 1980), that meant there were more eyeballs glued to TV sets and more fans at the matches to watch the men, in comparison to the women. And he was right. More TV viewers and more fans in the stands translates into more advertising and gate revenue, and because of that, the men should be paid accordingly. It comes down to commerce. Chris Evert was a great player, but she was boring to watch with her baseline game to even the casual fan. As far as Sinatra vs the Carpenters, entertainment has nothing to do with it, although fans for both I'm sure their fans were certainly entertained at their concerts. It's about supply and demand, and what fans were prepared to pay to watch either perform.

[@rip.tear.]

@@Kaitain did you even listen to him, he is stating that mens tennis earns more money from viewers than womens tennis and that they're paid proportionally from the revenue that they generate.... he is (logically) coming to the conclusion that more people watch mens tennis because it's more entertaining. jeebus.

[@Kaitain]

@@jamesanthony5681 Yes I think I did misunderstand him. Thanks for clarifying.

[@DaggerMan11]

These late night shows used to be real conversations and not just phony dog and pony shows

[@thadtuiol1717]

I love how DC let his guests talk and rarely interrupted. He really understood that less is more when it comes to the role of the interviewer

[@joseguzman6542]

Good point! It was more quality on every single interview.

[@TheDiablo6661]

We need another Dick Cavett He is asking the right questions and nothing is out of line

[@kennethstokes5102]

Arthur Ashe - incredibly intelligent, articulate.... What a shame he died so young

[@Mismatch_Official]

Believe it or not but I did some research and I found out he’s my distant cousin

[@chairmanoftheboard11]

His book is really good

[@noelelikemnicodemus8039]

@@chairmanoftheboard11 what's the title

[@mr.djcooncoon8196]

Arthur Ashe is being very honest and accurate here....The TOP DRAW deserves more money....To bad they lied to him about the cholesterol scam....

[@HoldenNY22]

I don't know what this "Cholesterol Scam" you are talking about. Can you please explain?

[@jewfro951]

@HoldenNY22 I think he refers to the idea pushed in those days that dietary cholesterol is bad for you.

[@January.]

*too bad

[@drhooty]

@@January. where does that too go?

[@sarasonsalas3472]

​@@jewfro951 oh wow ok, i need to read up on that.

[@donrollins3412]

John McEnroe: "Serena can't beat Federer." America: "BOOOOOOO!!!" Serena Williams: "Yeah, I can't beat Roger Federer." America: (Crickets chirp.)

[@j0nnyism]

Pay should be proportionate to ticket sales not to the number of sets played

[@CraftyShawn]

You got a good point more tickets sold the more revenue coming in as a result more money should be paid

[@fifthbusiness1678]

Not sure how to respond to that, other than to say that women’s matches attract just as many spectators as male. That’s a fact. So your words, and those of Arthur Ashe, are idiotic. Even the example he used, between the Carpenters and Frank Sinatra, is ludicrous. How about Ella Fitzgerald and Sinatra?

[@lobstertexas]

...except the huge money is really in the broadcasting; revenue from ticket sales is pennies compared to airing rights -- so a five-set match can generate almost triple the advertising revenue, if overall revenue generation is the measure of what a player should be paid from...

[@Rmcm1984]

I think this may have been true in 1980. The Williams sisters have definitely changed that argument

[@paolylo]

You missed the point, possibly didn't even watch the whole video, and reacted like any other woke person. Ashe was talking about tennis as an attraction since ladies like King, Evert, Navratalova, Graf, Hingis for a bit, and Serena enter a tournament knowing they're way better than any woman. While in men's tour... Connors, Borg, Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Sampras, Agassi, Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all played in eras where they know they could lose as early as the 1st round and that makes a tournament more watchable so more people would pay to see them battle than watch some girl get helplessly dominated by the same players.

[@noelelikemnicodemus8039]

still not getting the point. it's not the 1% but the others the Williams can't play themselves

[@richardkohn4153]

I've heard directly from someone very much within tennis that you would know, that all tournaments outside the majors where equal pay isn't enforced, pay the men way more because they generate so much more revenue.

[@truthiscensored]

The reason most Athletes "let themselves go" is either because of 1) injuries and they can't workout like they used to or 2) they burned out from the years/decades of working out/training and tired of it. And now that they are retired there is no reason to train for multiple hours a day🤔😐 The same way a person who is retired from a regular job does not continue to wake up at 4am and work at the job skill they used to work at home...

[@izaiah_9five542]

Swae lee at 62 🤣🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[@chongxina1387]

Actually that's swae lee 3rd cousin. Look it up.

[@Rob-Bless_Jr]

@@chongxina1387 for real 😅

[@slicktalk98]

@@chongxina1387 forreal?!

[@jadezee6316]

you don't need to be a pro to feel what Ashe is saying here...I felt it many times....playing sports...when you feel as if you are truly one with your environment..that there is no separation between you and what you are doing...no resistance.. it's very calming and your perceptions seem to be increased....and you can hear and see things as if they were part of you and not just something being observed.....its an intensity without effort...and I hope you all have felt it too...

[@chrisr7597]

Oh yes... the heart its moderate to drive the output needed for the varying tempo driven hands. Eyes aren't focused... natural but still visually take in all for the task being undertaken. The body is a marvelous machine.

[@andrehb]

very interesting comment, I have those moments when I'm cycling along the rolling hills next to the coast, it's a beautiful thing and I cherish it greatly

[@KarlosEPM]

Being in the zone, yes.

[@inwardseer]

what is that beautiful music that closes every show , its magick .

[@nicholaswilliamobrien2451]

Seriously intelligent and articulate guy

[@Countrygirltori24]

Things have changed so much in the women's game. I would say the box office for women in Tennis has increased incredibly over the years. I only watch women's tennis because I prefer a best of 3 over best of 5. Serena and Naomi and incredible talents. I understand the argument about 3 sets is fewer than 5 so women shouldn't be paid as much. But, selfishly, I wouldn't want the women to go to best of 5 because I prefer a 1.5-2 hour match over a 3-4 hour match

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

You would say the women's box office in tennis has increased incredibly since? When people used the phrase "i would say" they are also telling us that they don't know otherwise they would simply tell us how much the box office increase has been. It's probably increased like most other sports as the population grows more people/bigger audiences. The men's tennis has also increased and the women haven't become faster/more skillfull than men I don't believe you don't watch any men's tennis. They women do play fewer sets and the audience decide in a monetary environment/marketplace to watch men's tennis more then women's. That's two reasons why women earn less than men in tennis. There are no genuine women or men asking for women to get more money then they can achieve themselves in sports.

[@captainrisky6561]

I can't believe this is even considered controversial. In a perfect world, people would watch both male & female sports the same amount but it just isn't the case. If more people were watching female sport than male sport it'd be just as ridiculous to pay the men as much as the women.

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

There are no genuine people think women should get the same pay in sport. The men that can't compete at the level of the top sportsmen in the world don't complain that they should still get the same pay.

[@sirkowski]

More people watch women US soccer than men, yet men US soccer players get paid more.

[@johndickson9542]

Why do you think that would be the case in a "perfect world"? Maybe in a perfect world, only men would play sports and women would be the cheerleaders.

[@Benjamin-oq2xz]

Before “equity” became the new orthodoxy. This would be a cancelable offense today.

[@Benjamin-oq2xz]

@@oku12 you’re ignorant

[@Benjamin-oq2xz]

@@oku12 Professional tennis is a business and men’s tennis generates greater revenue than women’s tennis does. This is because more people watch men’s tennis. If more people watch men’s tennis, therefore generating greater revenue, the prize money pot should and will be larger. It’s a business...

[@dalitsomwanza1]

He was very intelligent and puts things in manner that you can understand

[@Gannooch]

Is this channel ever going to show Dick Cavett shows where he interviews Jackie Gleason and/or Art Carney? I don’t have the Decades network.

[@Dessienewshoes]

Awful what happened to him. Seemed like a really nice guy

[@franksnyder1357]

Good man. Go Bruins. The Beat Goes ON.

[@peterh1353]

Standing room only at his funeral. Made so many friends of all races and all backgrounds. Nobody seemed to have a bad word to say for him.

[@Mismatch_Official]

Fun fact: I did some research and found out he’s my distant cousin to bad I never got to meet him RIP

[@mwithers13]

He was right and even though women’s tennis has become more entertaining to watch than men’s tennis this conversation is definitely still going on with the NBA and WNBA. Funny how I remember in high school I could go to a Liberty game at the Garden for $20 and be court side just to see lay ups then leave at half just go to Rucker park for free and never want to leave because I knew I was going to get a basketball moment that would last a lifetime. In entertainment it really is all about the draw. Arthur Ashe was speaking with a 1% mentality. I’m the best and I will be paid like it lol

[@Paul-fb1em]

The truth is hard for some people to swallow. I'm glad some people have/had the moxie to say it though.

[@5dollarshake263]

He's not lying.

[@LowercaseKev]

This needs to be required watching for WNBA players in today's era. It's 20% sports 80% entertainment....once you get your crowd draw up then that money comes and you can make just as much if not more than the NBA

[@fepatton]

I've just been watching the WNBA semifinals (western) and the first game of the finals. I know there's a built-in bias because they are the best of the best, but it's been some of the wildest, most action-packed basketball I've ever seen, and the crowds are large and very supportive. I'd watch basketball of that caliber and excitement any day of the week.

[@robertrowan9893]

How things gave changed on the diet front. I'm currently intermittent fasting whilst looking forward to a keto, bulletproof to keep the hunger pangs at bay a little later. Thereafter it's healthy fats all the way through to satiety. The comment on margarine just shows the progress that needed to be made In this area and why the prognosis for those concerned was similarly so poor. After all, trans-fats and ciggies for that matter might have been the root cause of his coronary decline in the first place. But hey, that's life, circa 1980.

[@MrCannatopia]

Google mcdougall starch solution. Please. Also. Atkins mcdougall usda 2000 debate. Godspeed

[@beatonthedonis]

There was a period in the 90s when the men's game was dominated by ace-smashing gorillas like Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek and Sampras and the women's game had Graff, Seles, Capriati, Sanchez-Vicario, Novotna and Navratilova, and I much preferred watching the women's game, especially Wimbledon.

[@ThomasLaird1967]

Yes. Hate tennis. It bores me. But for some inexplicable reason I found women's tennis highly stimulating. Go figure

[@Alfajor1018]

Sabatini

[@Gravyballs2011]

"Forget about sports as a profession. Sports make you grunt and sweat. Be a thinker, not a stinker."- Apollo Creed

[@lockandloadlikehell]

Nah, I'd rather dominate while barely training- as I have

[@angiesamborski6564]

I am a woman and I agree with him for the simple reason that men have to play more sets than women .They are performing more therefore should be paid more .Nothing to do with sex

[@country_club_leaders]

even if they played the same number of sets. he believes pay is all about box office receipts

[@peterh1353]

Outside of the grand slams and a few choice tournaments the men's and women's are divorced. Wimbledon once had women's days and men's days and crowds were down on women's days. The tournament is now based on money. Putting matches on to suit prime time and audience. Sometimes it is women's matches which get prime slots.

[@angiesamborski6564]

@@oldfox6355 why is it insignificant ?If you worked as hard for ten hours and someone does the same for five ,you should make the same amount ?

[@angiesamborski6564]

@@oldfox6355 I would offer him 600 .Same pay as the others .Same pay for the same amount of time .Simple logic .

[@angiesamborski6564]

@@oldfox6355 you have a private business .What you do there is your decision to make .You are saying this fellow drew crowds .Male matches draw more crowds and money here but they aren’t even considering that .They are basing it on time played here .Id you play the game you would know the effort put into a six and maybe beyond set match .Huge difference .This is a big organization and they have rules here .It is not an individual decision .Bottom line is simply put ,they play more sets .More work ,more pay .It is nit based on the quality of their play .Gender is not the issue here .It is how much time you are in that court playing .Whether you are good or bad it’s equal pay .I don’t think it will ever change .Probably Wont .BTW,do you play tennis ?I do and I know the difference between playing three sets and five or more

[@peterh1353]

The guy was literally banned from some countries when he had AIDS. Blacklisted. Could come to Wimbledon and commentate - but that was all. Wish I had a list of countries which didn't allow him to enter.

[@mrsleep0000]

Yeah! Blacklist them and make them pay! Oh, wait...

[@Gannooch]

have nothing against the other celebs that were on this show but is this channel ever going to show the Dick Cavett shows where he interviews Jackie Gleason or Art Carney? How about any Honeymooners actors that were part of the main cast? These are rare much like the other Cavett ones.

[@arlenmargolin1650]

When I first saw the caption on the video I said this guy sounds like a s******* and then after he made his points and the logics that he used explained it all perfectly so well or should I say also perfectly well anyway those are the facts the value and the money that you deserve is commensurate with the amount of people that you draw I mean it's just a numbers game it's not about black white man woman it's all about the algorithm of what the numbers can allow to be paid for winning purses

[@contactkeithstack]

I pack shipments for a large corporation. As far as I understand there is no economic incentive for me to pack fast. In fact, almost once a week our hours are cut short because we meet goals and have to leave enough shipments for next shift. So if I work double the minimum rate, I'm losing hours and getting paid 1/2 per packed box as someone who worked the minimum. So at first glance I would support merit based pay. What I wonder is - do the capitalist corporate executives at my company who would support merit based pay for women's sports, support it for me? Maybe they would if they could but the commie liberals won't let them? Or maybe they support this non merit based system when it comes to me because it keeps down their labor costs? (In lieu of paying you for your productivity, They use all these interesting psychological methods to increase productivity - i.e. telling you your rate and your rank every hour, and giving you "points" that buy essentially nothing.) Point is - I wonder if people pick and choose when they support meritocracy? Maybe I agree with paying us all the same? maybe the conservative executives would support a more merit based pay but can't enact it? Or maybe they support this forced economic equality for their bottom employees while talking about merit for things like women's sports, women executives?

[@contactkeithstack]

@tie oneon I did write some possible arguments for meritocratic pay up, but I think right now I still agree with more liberal economics when it comes down to it. I doubt LBJ supports BLM for their economic philosophy (if they even have 1? R u thinking of antifa?) I don't quite see how supporting socialism contradicts making a billion dollars playing basketball?

[@contactkeithstack]

@tie oneon i think your definition is too simplistic - like sober person who deny any benefits to a glass of wine with dinner (dem soc) by saying it's the link to alcoholism (communism). Mixed economies have good evidence they work. I think libertarian economics would be the highest ideal, but we don't live in a utopia, and I never hear libertarians even attempt to build the individual ethics for society and the environment that would make regulation unnecessary.

[@ilikethisnamebetter]

Makes perfect sense.

[@namastemcl]

I just wish he had lived to see The Williams sisters.

[@bassreeves2410]

they would be ranked in the hundreds if they played against men. and their pay would have been in accordance.

[@louduva9849]

He's lucky he didn't!

[@dirtpipedan]

He's still alive

[@namastemcl]

@@dirtpipedan regrettably Arthur Ashe passed away on 2/6/93 from complications of AIDS possibly contracted through a blood transfusion from surgery.

[@timjenkins7019]

@@dirtpipedan what?!?!?

[@cryogenixoldskool5803]

They still dont deserve the same amount of Prize money, The mens game is longer, They play more sets

[@juice4080]

That's not even the best argument. The only valid argument as to why they shouldn't be paid as much is because they don't generate as much revenue as men did/do. It's closer compared to other sports so they should get paid accordingly

[@Rubbafingaz1]

@@juice4080 True, but the fact they potentially have to be on the court for longer means they should be paid more. If you worked a 4 hour shift and your colleague only did 2 hrs would you find it fair if you found out they got paid the same as you for the same job?

[@cammiesplace924]

They didn’t choose that, it was chosen for them

[@cryogenixoldskool5803]

​@@cammiesplace924 Well if they want equal prize money they should open their mouths and agree to play the same format as the men

[@cammiesplace924]

@@cryogenixoldskool5803 sometimes a women’s three set match can be better than a mans 5 set match. Quality or quantity

[@winskypinsky]

Brilliant. This common sense should be across the board for everything. It’s 2021 and we have buckled under the weight of the stupidity of special interest groups.

[@peterh1353]

Showbiz and sport is different. Today we can play tennis on the internet or play a concert on the internet and charge people to view. Naturally nobody wants to see me or you play a musical instrument or tennis. If Barbara Streisand did an exclusive concert she would get big bucks from her fan club. Nothing to do with sexism or anything other than commerce.

[@grokeffer6226]

Personally, my favorite tennis players were Steffi Graf, Gabriela Sabatini, Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert. When they had all retired, I lost interest. I was never really into men's tennis all that much. And the Williams sisters, and others, were very impressive.

[@antonboludo8886]

It is called ''Flow''.

[@julianhermanubis6800]

And somebody else's statue is getting pulled down in Richmond, Virginia this week. LOL

[@freedamerican5243]

He was in our Virginia history textbooks in 5th grade. I think it was when we were talking about integration; I remember his page was near the one that had a picture of the Governor’s daughter attending a black school in 1970.

[@alexflenner3778]

@Julian Hermaunubis. Who's stauue?You mean his?Are you just joking?Are you you saying that they are going to probably?Have they already done it?Did they say they were going toMebye I sound like an idiot but I don't get this comment,would you please explain what you mean?

[@julianhermanubis6800]

@@alexflenner3778 It was just some dark humor. During the past year, a lot of Confederate statues had wound up knocked down in Richmond, but everyone likes Arthur Ashe so his had been left alone.

[@TesterBoy]

Arthur Ashe was both a true professional, sportsman, and role model. What he said concerning woman’s sports, particularly woman’s tennis, was ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Women simply do not have the same physical strength, agility, or crowd draw as the men. Feminism has gone extreme.

[@RazaSid]

That is not what he said.

[@blueblaze9862]

For all the ppl who think he was a misogynist, 3:40 to 4:05 ok? And play it repeatedly until you understand 😊

[@joehuiras4955]

dick cavett is/was a conversationalist extaordinaire

[@Syrilian]

The problem is that there have been periods of time where women's tennis has been more popular than men's and yet the prize money hasn't shifted to reflect that.

[@jammzy2959]

Exactly!!!

[@ginohernandez3770]

They should make Rapinoe watch this segment.

[@somethingyousaid5059]

"We have engaged the Borg."

[@richardclarke376]

you beat me to it

[@somethingyousaid5059]

Yeah, sorry about that. I had to look up that Picard quote though. I was afraid I might remember it wrong.

[@dreamqueen317]

Too bad he never go to see Venus and Serena play he’d be eating his words.

[@BankstonT]

He said "today" 30 years before them. Stop the cap.

[@dreamqueen317]

@@BankstonT read homie.

[@BankstonT]

I read it. He said women's tennis today. Not in the 2000's

[@dreamqueen317]

@@BankstonT and I said too bad he never got to see them play. Which has absolutely nothing to do with with his perception of womens tennis during his time period.

[@BankstonT]

Its the eating his words part for me but I digress

[@bestialinvasion667]

Word

[@wolfblitzer1981]

Could you imagine what he would have to say now about Trans people in sport 🤣

[@archenema6792]

That which brings in the money gets paid. Operating on any other basis leads to the bankruptcy of the event promoters. Forcible equality of remuneration leads to the elimination of the events in question, so NOBODY gets paid anymore.

[@tomloft2000]

I think what he's getting at is that most women don't deserve equal prize money.

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

We now know eggs contain good cholesterol.

[@americancitizen748]

Yes, there is a reason a new actor is not paid the same as Jack Nicholson for the same three hours of screen time. It would not make sense to pay them the same rate.

Yep. Even women dont watch womens sports enough to justify equal pay.

[@maciekjoker9095]

All woman need a dark size. Thats trie.

[@MrBen51309]

BASED

[@TrumpTown]

If more people pay to watch men’s tennis, the men should be paid more. That’s simple

[@sergiupobereznic]

Cool guy

[@nonenoneonenonenone]

Women bring down the level of every profession.

[@jesusrz81]

“I see no lies.”

[@shelleywarkentin9656]

Women’s matches don’t last as long as men’s. ( In the Grand Slams). The average person gets paid by the hour. And the longer you work the harder it is. For Billy Jean, I think greed and pride played a big part in it too. Why should women get paid for less work and hours.

[@lawrencequan6857]

Wow…They had No idea back then What Was a Healthy Way of eating!

[@domxem5551]

Borg never played until 30

[@CoachTR]

I wonder what he would think if knew the Williams sisters! They draw more attention to tennis than the guys... smh Arthur...

[@CoachTR]

@tie oneon so, that means women deserve the same, if not more money than males. I started watching tennis because of Venus and Serena, and I believe 98% percent of people who like me became tennis fans because of those two. *side note* Same thing with golf and Tiger Woods.

[@CoachTR]

@tie oneon I thought that was a clear statement for anyone to understand 🤔... some people you need to slow down for...it's fine.

[@andrehb]

watch the interview again: he said pretty clearly that there might be a day when there would be more interest in women's tennis, the implication being that that would change the analysis

[@andrehb]

@tie oneon I have no idea what you're saying.

[@lisajackson9759]

You should go back and rewatch the video. He clearly said there might be a day when the entertainment value in Women’s tennis would justify women being paid more than men.

[@destressfrlyf843]

Most of their grandmamas don't watch WNBA & women's soccer players play They have little to no appeal

[@TheDiablo6661]

Diets were so out of whack 😱

[@anduuhar]

Clickbait title is crap. He doesn't say they arent as good. He says that at that time women didn't draw the money.

[@louduva9849]

They still don't.

[@JowSithm]

Clickbait title is legit. He definitely did say "Women Don't Deserve The Same Amount Of Prize Money As Men". It's a direct quote.

[@anduuhar]

@@JowSithm Taken completely out of context. The butthurt is strong in this comments section.

[@timjenkins7019]

But they aren't as good

[@tuanomsoc]

@@anduuhar the goalposts are wanting to know why you moved them

[@kennethstokes5102]

Wow! Right at the beginning Dick asks Arthur a question, Arthur answers it, "The zone" and Dick wasn't even listening! I guess he prefers to hear himself ask a question then hear the answer!

[@chiefscheider]

He was still talking when Ashe said it. Did you notice he let him answer it fully when he finished the question? Probably not because you were in a hurry to post your 'outrage' 🙄

[@theoriginalthinker9199]

@@chiefscheider I knew right away what the question was, and so did Arthur. "The zone" is what you call it. But Dick wasn't listening. He just wanted to hear himself talk. So when he finished talking, Arthur answered it again, but in a different way.

[@chiefscheider]

Still a good interview. Looks like you were trying to find something to complain about.

[@theoriginalthinker9199]

@@chiefscheider Fk u! My complaint was valid. Arthur answered the question and Dick was so caught up in asking the question that he wasn't even listening. Looks like you're looking for someone to pick a fight with!

[@gpie4850]

The very fact that women don't play against men in nearly every major sport is fact that their shouldn't be an equal pay for both groups...that's just stupid...In my opinion Sports should never have been separated by sex anyways....click-baity title

[@catweasle5737]

Women will never understand that sport is just entertainment, nothing more and players are paid based on bums on seats.

[@lamar5091]

For you maybe, but not always for the player

[@aceoneleven]

People are afraid to speak honestly today...he set a great example but he would be crucified for saying this today.

[@lamar5091]

Speak for yourself

[@aceoneleven]

@@lamar5091 I did. Try a remedial reading lesson.

[@RepublicIcon]

Now we have men competing in womens sports just because they wear make up and a wig... RIP womens sport

[@justincastillogayray]

Imagine if Ashe met Venus or Serena. His mind should have changed by then.

[@louduva9849]

Cope.

[@andrewhill4986]

I don’t think he was being a chauvinist, he postulated that, in the future, things may be different.

[@ViaticalTree]

Ashe was too smart to abandon common sense simply because he respected the abilities or shared a skin color with 2 female tennis players. How exactly should simply meeting them have changed his mind?

[@lockandloadlikehell]

Serena AND Venus, one after another, couldn't even beat a No 203 ranked man that smoked and drank before his matches, didn't even train, played golf before his "ultimate" matches, and took both of them thoughly APART ...one after another What are you (attempting) to brag about?

[@iqawwee]

@@lockandloadlikehell I'm guessing you are ranked 203rd 😂😂

[@SexyUndisputed2All]

What? We ain't now defacing and removing his statues and his name from flushing tennis stadium lol

[@wolffman2445]

Preach.

[@caoimhinobeara714]

Its very simple. You work for 1 hour you get paid for that. You work for 7 hours plus then you get paid accordingly. Its not the skill, its not the plays or abilities. Its simple here..... the guys games last longer. People pay for entertainment and the longer the better.

[@beatonthedonis]

Absolutely dumb argument. That means a ticket to an amateur play that lasts 5 hours should cost more than a ticket to a Broadway musical that lasts 2 hours.

[@caoimhinobeara714]

@@beatonthedonis Shut up you muppet. Not the same thing.

[@colloredbrothers]

He is extremely intelligent, reminds me of Thomas Sowell, composed and beautifully clear spoken.

[@macalacalan1175]

My thought exactly - he was eloquent and self composed and came across as grounded and decent. What a pleasure to watch and listen to a TV interview where the interviewer asks insightful questions and the interviewee has time to consider the answer, gather their thoughts and then express them calmly and naturally as Arthur Ashe did.

[@thefakenewsnetwork8072]

Long live freedom and democratic socialism

[@Lynda957]

Somewhere Serena is smiling in her trophy room in her mansion.

[@louduva9849]

She's a man, baby!

[@Lynda957]

@Kim Greene No wasn’t what I was implying at all...

[@justsomegirlwithoutamustache]

@@louduva9849 And you're pathetic, baby!

[@ViaticalTree]

This is common sense and it’s a shame social justice has become more important than common sense and reality.

[@truthiscensored]

OMG! Arthur Ashe must be cancelled and have his name and statues removed from everywhere...He don't believe in equal pay for women 2020/2021 BS mindset of today😐😐

[@ChesaFreakBoyzFishingVideos]

It’s so fascinating to see when someone who is seen as an icon says something somewhat off-base. And then everyone just says, “he’s right. They don’t deserve it”. No, how about this was a long time ago and people are not perfect. Doesn’t hurt his legacy but it is a dated comment

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

There are no genuine women or men asking for women to get more money than they can achieve themselves in sports. You have "Fishing" in your name. The biggest fish are caught by men generally. People generally don't look away from/ignore the pictures of the men holding the biggest fish ever caught and ask to see pictures of women holding up smaller fish. All sports people don't deserve the amount of pay they get as most working class people do much harder work, the most unwanted jobs and they are given less money for doing those jobs.

[@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879]

Arthur Ashe had a nasty temper and was known for being a profane and obscene man quick to anger and fighting

[@theoriginalthinker9199]

Why are you trying to make Arthur Ashe look bad? He was nothing like that!

[@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879]

@@theoriginalthinker9199 hair trigger temper. Shoving Jimmy Carter’s mother is shameful. He had massive amounts of anger

[@theoriginalthinker9199]

@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 Why are you doing this? Trying to tear a black man down, destroy his reputation. One of the most blatantly racist acts I've ever seen.

[@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879]

@@theoriginalthinker9199 Arthur bottled his anger. He had a right to be angry. He was unfairly treated. He got the aids through a blood transfusion.

[@theoriginalthinker9199]

@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 Srop being racist towards Arthur Ashe! You racist pos!

[@einsteindarwin8756]

So saddened to see this. I wish I had known this before I spent all that money and time on tennis lessons.

[@louduva9849]

Find a husband and have babies.

[@colloredbrothers]

Watch the video instead of complaining about what the title implies like a little baby, he clearly said that maybe one day women WILL command more money, and that HAS happened, he didn't rule out the possibility, he simply disagreed with the idea of similar work similar pay because two actors are not paid the same way, neither are two sport professionals, its all about the broad public appeal and at that time female tennis wasn't YET appealing as men's was.

[@einsteindarwin8756]

@@colloredbrothers I did watch the entire video. I just said that I am disappointed to hear this and I wish I had not spent all the time and money on lessons. I should have said, instead of my paying career. Billie Jean King also did not agree with him. I am still entitled to my opinion. Last I checked, in the US, we are still entitled to our first amendment right to free speech.

[@lockandloadlikehell]

@@einsteindarwin8756 you wish you hadn't taken tennis lessons because you just got schooled in basic market economics? How did you graduate from high school? I think we should do away with gendered sports entirely- since females can obviously play at elite male level and bring in commiserate money for their leagues, since they are equal in capability and capacity.

[@einsteindarwin8756]

@@lockandloadlikehell I go back to the fact that Billie Jean King was able to lobby for equal pay for women. So clearly basic market economics does not play a role.

[@nursemcfarlane6655]

WNBA what do you think?

[@jackmallory7996]

ff women want to be paid the same amount of prize money as men then it's high time they had to play the best of 5 sets instead of 3, at least at Wimbledon and other majors. There's utterly no reason why women should play the best of 3, apart from the usual 'that's the way it's always been', which is no reason at all. Women have just as much stamina and staying power as men, even more in some cases, so it's being patronising to think they can't last 5 sets. There are women who can run 100 miles in one day or something ridiculous like that so I'm sure they can play for 3 or 4 hours. And I think it would make the women's game more entertaining.

[@marksc1929]

Like him or not...he's right... fans wanted to see Michael Jordan....not Michelle Jordan

[@MadDog6945]

What a class act. I wish more young people would admire him rather than Colin Kapernaick.

[@richardclarke376]

And an unbelievably tragic end

[@jammzy2959]

And you're the type to act surprised when people call you racist.

[@uncletony6210]

@@jammzy2959 he's also the type who complains about "race baiting." the irony.

[@jammzy2959]

@@uncletony6210 lol racists a are the biggest race baiters... and THEY invented the term. 😂

[@nicksundby]

Such a shame that we are bullied into pretending that women's tennis is as popular as men's.

[@davidadams2395]

It is as popular as men's, and some women's matches are more popular. The U.S. Open almost always draws more viewers for women's matches than for men's, but even when men's matches draws the highest viewership, the numbers are negligibly higher than the women's. As for prize money, all Grand Slams have been the same since 2007.

[@TheFXofNewton]

The artificial constructs people come up with to justify their other artificial constructs is truly astoundingly boring. I'm not entertained.

[@richardchingas5997]

The WNBA?

[@bassreeves2410]

men play longer matches and are the main attraction.

[@louduva9849]

I only watch for the short skirts, tbh.

[@floodworldwide5260]

@@louduva9849 we got ya, no need to rant on every comment

[@Adam-qv2bd]

I bet his feet stunk.

[@sonnyk4840]

WTF ?? Why ? LOL!

[@uncletony6210]

I bet you're a mor0n.

[@lindas.martin2806]

I respectfully disagree. Carpenters versus Sinatra. Bad example. Janis Joplin? Women have not have many of the advantages of men in sports. And Carol Burnett and Lucille Ball outdo just about any and all comedians. it is menos historical under valuing women in general that has resulted in lesser pay, lesser respect for women.

[@bluetickfreddy101]

Ah!!! The good ole days When people could speak the truth. Wow! Amazin!

[@thetruthexperiment]

Soccer players just shouldn’t get paid.

[@MrAal9404]

Snowflakes in the comments are big mad..lmao!

[@jadezee6316]

"deserve"...is the problem.....it immediately argues against equality....what he should have argued is...sports like entertainment...etc..are subject to sponsors...ads and the drawing power of the person...so that is what determines compensation...could he argue a woman didn't deserve MORE money..if circumstances warranted it? Ashe does not sound very intelligent....though he seems awfully assured of what he is saying....need an example?....Cavett says margarine has the same issues as butter...he responds... you have to eat something...well..if that's the case...WHY NOT just stick to the butter? lol..the answer is you don't eat either of them.....dead at 50...

[@ViaticalTree]

You’re not a very good listener. That’s exactly what he argued. And there’s nothing wrong with the word “deserve” in this context. Of course it argues against equality because for the reasons he outlined the women at the time didn’t deserve equal pay. You’re the one that doesn’t sound intelligent. No one’s perfect but he’s correct here.

[@christiansoldier77]

Jade Zee You are the one who sounds unintelligent. Ashe is simply speaking facts and logic. When you generate more money you will deserve to be paid more. Why is that such a hard concept for you to understand? Plus he said he ate margarine instead of butter because of the diet he was on not because margarine was necessarily a lot healthier than butter. Also he died because he got AIDS from a blood transfusion. You dont listen or use logic very well SMH

[@Town22]

He was a woman

[@fairisfair2986]

Wow ok so Serena n Venus took this down in one swoop

[@anduuhar]

He was looking at it from a box office perspective and admits that one day they may... kzbin.info/www/bejne/epbadWVjp5Wffrs

[@karmaisreal261]

They’re men though

[@anduuhar]

@@karmaisreal261 Oof.

[@louduva9849]

@@karmaisreal261 Truth.

[@sherriefox8838]

To Andrew Robin he didn't say "one day" he said " maybe" one day. Narcissist til the end.

[@louduva9849]

b a s e d

[@billyjoe8639]

Women should never be paid as much as men.....especially at men type jobs......women should be paid well at women type jobs!

[@chrisr7597]

Know this. I would never expect to be paid for a bake failure because me just no can do. That's my excuse to go to the local truck stop to pick up the best homemade pies & cookies in town. People should know what they are good at and be paid based on the final product.