Artifacts that Indicate Vazquez de Coronado from the 1540s

[@videographybytysonsmall6675]

The history museum in Liberal, KS has a bridle bit that was found a couple miles from town in the 1930's & has been confirmed by the Smithsonian Institute as belonging to the expedition of 1541.

[@manso998]

Thank you for your comment. I have been to Liberal Kansas and I am not sure whether I have seen that. Can you send me a photo of that? Or some information so that I can call them and have them send it to me? I think we now have an alignment of sites in Texas that we will be confirming shortly. That would provide a segment of trail that gives an idea of trajectory.

[@videographybytysonsmall6675]

It's called the Coronado Meusium in Liberal is where it's at.

[@OpieDogie]

“Asturias” beautiful music background. Amazing and interesting stuff!

[@jrlagoni]

Very fine presentation! Thank you.

[@manso998]

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@madzen112]

It's fascinating how you can identify one famous person and his expedition from archeological evidence in this way. Must be pretty unique and a great way to connect archeological work to something more than just digging a hole and see what old stuff we find.

[@rebeccajohnson2633]

Thank you for sharing.😊

[@mikekenney8362]

Fascinating study. The transitory nature of the Coronado passage would have been on a very narrow front. Finding artifacts of that expedition is literally “needles in a haystack”

[@manso998]

Thank you. And that's why many thought that simple encampments would not likely be found. Now we have both a villa/town and an expansive trail-side overnight encampment.

[@BootsEditor11]

As a hobby I visit and discover many native picto-petroglyph sites, mostly in So. Utah. At one site, I discovered alongside native petroglyphs, a Jerusalem cross (as might be seen stamped on Spanish currency) and also horses. ( which are uncommon but not as rare).

[@manso998]

Is it along the Dominguez-Escalante trail? or perhaps a meander of one of the Coronado side trips?

[@craigthescott5074]

Recently a small 1500’s Spanish swivel cannon was excavated from an old stone wall in southern town in AZ. It’s believed to have been cast in America or Mexico due to it not having the typical Spanish decoration on the barrel. It’s believed to be the oldest gun ever found that was made in the America’s.

[@manso998]

Yep. That's the gun I found. One of two. It is not a swivel gun, but it is a wall gun or rampart gun, aka hackbut or hook gun.

[@craigthescott5074]

@ oh right I was writing the comment from memory. That’s so awesome you definitely found a very important piece of history. Great job!! Not nearly as old but my great grandfather found a 1865 Springfield trapdoor 50-70 rifle hidden up in the rafters of Fort Lowell in Tucson in the early 1900’s. I have it now and will pass it down to my son.

[@archeojoel]

Extremely helpful!

[@ricoshay9274]

One of Coronado's Camps found near Floyde Co.,TX.

[@BushcraftWoodsDevil]

That was excellent!

[@GeorgeHeil-gg6wv]

Saw photos of "cannon" in American Rifleman". Looking forward to more information.

[@ChaliceMovingXIV]

Very intriguing.

[@sherylcrowe3255]

Fascinating Thank you

[@vincentdorsey8545]

There is also a Spanish bit in the courthouse of Clark County KS, Ashland, KS. Also confirmed by the Smithsonian

[@manso998]

Do you happen to have a photo of it?

[@DJIcenhower]

Is there any evidence of the Coronado expedition along the Pecos River, near Tererro in Northern New Mexico?

[@manso998]

As far as I am aware of no one has found any there yet

[@dr.maturin4648]

Well, you have convinced me! Although I am disappointed that Chichilticale was NOT at the site near Pearce, which I have visited many times, your logic seems irrefutable regarding the carrot-headed nail. I was also very interested in your discoveries of the Apache pre-horse platform caches. I met you years ago on an outing to Canon de los Embudos. To my great chagrin, I missed your talk on the 29th. I wish it were possible to hear more about that. Keep up the good work! Pete Crum

[@manso998]

I will be speaking on this at the Tularosa Basin Conference in Ruidoso on June 2 2022

[@davidpoole5595]

Desoto in 1540 led an expedition up the ocmulgee river to the mounds of the creek Indians in Macon ga(now a federal park, the mounds are incredible) There his priest baptized 2 creek Indians and they were the first known baptisms in the new world

[@bernard9366]

What about Denver? A remnant of the Colorado expedition?

[@treasuretom13]

Hi Deni new Subscriber here. Very interesting presentation love seeing actual artifacts and separation by time period. Do you have any information on the Spanish visiting Michigan? I know there was one incursion to Niles, Michigan. Reason I ask is that I have found what I believe is a Spanish Colonial Cross possibly Jesuit in Central Michigan

[@estebanfebres-cordero3937]

Wow thats awesome!

[@shirleybalinski4535]

Isn't St.Joseph,Michigan considered to have 4 flags? American, British, French & Spanish flags flown over the fort?

[@treasuretom13]

@@shirleybalinski4535 Yes I believe so Shirley, although the Spanish only occupied the fort for a few hours

[@alexzamoraclips]

Coronado was my ancestor. One of my great grandfathers married one of his granddaughters

[@BitStClair]

Carrot headed nail wasnt one found at Etzanoa(1601)? Coronado was north and west by Great Bend ks(1540_41)?

[@manso998]

No, they found another type of nail.

[@antoniodelrio1292]

Interesting!

[@oscare.quiros6349]

Which of the Vásquez de Coronado family of conquistadores are you talking about here? I assume he is neither Juan nor Gonzalo.

[@manso998]

There's only one that was here in the American Southwest. That was Francisco. If I don't say it in this video I say it in one or more of the others.

[@manso998]

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[@exploreAZ]

Did the route run through Vail Arizona?

[@manso998]

Probably not. Still working out the details so stay tuned. Only four sites so far. We need many more to figure out more of the route.

[@tomasneel1980]

whats fascinating is the accounts the explorers gave of native horses in some regions... fancy that you skeptics

[@manso998]

I have not seen that in the Coronado Expedition accounts. Perhaps you are referring to subsequent expeditions?

[@johnlockett1565]

What do you mean: "native horse"? You mean wild horses. The American continent from Artic to Antarctic there were not native horses. The horse was introduced on the Continent by the SPANIARDS. The nearest to a horse by size is the Llama and Huanaco but they cannot carry more than 50 kgrms.

[@89128]

In his 19th century book, Capt. John Bourne, aide to General Crook, wrote that a fellow officer in the Tucson area riding one day, came across a full Spanish armor in the desert, and had it in his room. Unfortunately, no one knows what happened to it. (On the Border with Crook.)

[@manso998]

Actually that has been found. Scale armor on the North American frontier: Lessons from the John G. Bourke armor Peter Bleed, Lindsay Long, Jessica Long, Madeleine Roberg and David Killick Plains Anthropologist Vol. 60, No. 235 (August 2015), pp. 199-222

[@89128]

Thank you for the update. Read the book years ago. Glad it didn't rust away unnoticed.@@manso998

[@dozergarnaat8008]

In New Mexico there is a monument that the Spaniards carved thier name's into the mountain. It's called El Morro New Mexico and there you will see the evidence of the travels

[@manso998]

Thank you for your comment. Yes, that is Onate and others, but unfortunately none of the inscriptions are early enough to be Coronado. They have found what is likely Coronado artifacts there though!

[@williamkuhns2387]

The matchlock musket or arquebus had lead balls that were about 50 caliber diameter. Anything smaller is not from Coronado. Also flint/chert blades for flintlock muskets that were found also much later technology than Coronado's time.

[@manso998]

You are correct about flintlock muskets. They do not come in until much later and they would be post-Coronado. They would have been used by the next Spaniards to visit our site which was in the 1690s. We have fragments of matchlocks and wheel locks, which are from this period and are related to the battle. We are reserving judgment on the caliber of the lead shot. The reason for this is we think that they might have used smaller caliber lead balls for the canon, like scatter shot, or as we say in our article swan shot. And we also have evidence of pistols in use. We're finding that many of the statements made with such certainty as you just made are turning out to be useful to reconsider. We'll see what the data say. Thank you for your comment.

[@Zenatawarrior]

How about a mention of Esteban the freed slave who led this expedition

[@manso998]

That is a separate video.

[@Zenatawarrior]

@@manso998 Would love to see it, as far as history goes, that crew of Spaniards would have died in the Caribbean if it wasn't for the genius of Estevan aka Mostafa Zemmouri who was able to build some makeshift boats from all the wreckage to continue their journey, he gained his freedom before they sailed to Florida, The story states that he was the first black man to ever set foot in the continent as a free man and he was so popular with all the native tribes he came across until his death 12 years later at the hand of one of the Aztacs tribes of Northern Mexico in what is now New Mexico.

[@manso998]

@@Zenatawarrior I have watched some very good short videos on Estevan, which is one reason I have not finished mine. I just started a playlist.

[@arailway8809]

I got the impression that iron was not used by the common man during the Spanish and Mexican period. Their carts had very little iron in construction or daily use. But the caballeros had enough for their armor and horse furniture.

[@manso998]

That is the narrative, that iron was in short supply. It was very expensive. But I'm finding it in sufficient quantities to suggest that when they needed it they got it. They used it mainly for certain types of items. And they reused items as well, reforging. But for this expedition apparently they had thousands of horseshoes and nails and other items needed. Plus they had blacksmiths and farriers along. Starting in the 1690s I think the horses that Kino brought had harder hooves and so they didn't need to use the iron horseshoes which is probably why we don't find them in quantity. That's part of the reason. The other thing is the Jesuit missionaries were not funded in the same way as the Coronado expedition. The Coronado expedition is funded by nobles. Regardless, The presence of iron is turning out to be much more common than expected. We're even finding iron crossbow bolt heads and iron points. At this time all that iron came from Europe. That's what made it expensive. That's why the copper crossbow bolt heads are so common and associated with expeditions is they could be made locally.

[@od1452]

I don't think he had many guns. I believe there is an inventory of weapons which indicate support "Tools" that might be in the inventory.

[@manso998]

The muster roll, as they call it, lists a number of arquebuses which are muskets. We have found musket pieces and fragments of wheellocks. There is now known a barrel of an arquebus. So they had them along and they are specifically mentioned and there is archaeological evidence of them. There are also cannons, one of which we found.

[@OldGuy2-m4c]

On the Application Trail is a Spanish helmet sent to warn the indians about this threar in Armor.

[@GT_Racer347]

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[@stephenlight647]

Very interesting. I do prefer a simple voice presentation. The musical background is just a distraction.

[@virgiljjacas1229]

What they did in the South was GENOCIDAL !!! Mabila !!?

[@manso998]

What individual players and governments did in colonizing countries / Empires is atrocious wherever it occured/occurs. If you look at the Australians in Papua New Guinea, the English in the eastern US, the French... This is why studying this topic is so important. We can see that there are circumstances in which individuals can be cruel and immoral. We can see that there are circumstances especially in colonialism, where unspeakable acts occur in the name of economics, religion, power. These are issues of the past and they are also ongoing issues. We use so many excuses including the church, including the law, including our personal beliefs to justify the most egregious acts against humanity

[@jimmoses6617]

The Apache and Comanche were especially good at genocide towards other Native American tribes. It's what humans have done to 9ne another, all peoples, forever.

[@jimmoses6617]

Europeans are by no means unique in such genocidal acts. Not by a long shot. Not that it's a competition, but Europeans are always framed as somehow unique in this regard. White Liberal guilt bl8nds some people of history.

[@philipcoriolis6614]

"during the colonial period" When was the country decolonized ???

[@jimmoses6617]

It wasn't and never will be. It's what humans have done all over the world for thousands of years. Pushing people aside as they go. Native tribes did it to other native American tr7b3s for centuries before the first European landed here.

[@manso998]

Spanish colonial period ended here in 1821

[@philipcoriolis6614]

@@manso998 Did the Settlers leave ???

[@manso998]

@@philipcoriolis6614 yes. That's what's so important about this research and the new findings. The Spaniards established a colony in 1541 and the local native residents rose up and chase them out. They did not come back for 150 years. New Spanish settlements weren't established long after that, but the first Jesuit mission in this area was in 1691, as part of the later re-entry.

[@philipcoriolis6614]

@@manso998 My point was slightly different. It was that that the Americas (North, Central and South) were never decolonized because they are settler colonies that permanently replaced the previously existing societies.

[@johnking6252]

Strange, the garbage we leave behind that proves our existence in history, I think therefore I am? An iron nail of all things. 👍✌️🙏🌍🌎

[@andrewmckeown6786]

Finding a midden heap is better than gold for anthro-archeologists

[@BootsEditor11]

They left iron in passing, we leave digital footprints. Which might be wiped at any moment!

[@johnking6252]

@@BootsEditor11 strange but true , a small sliver of silicon.

[@deckiedeckie]

Anglos eventually will deny coronado's existence...

[@scarhole]

Nah that will be the mexicans denying how the spanish whipped their ass

[@ABIELYASHARAHLA]

F Coronado!!!!!

[@deckiedeckie]

In time anglos will affrm they were anglos, not spaniards

[@jaywinters2483]

I dont have a lot if confidence in the interpretations given by the producers.

[@manso998]

Well, what do you know? The amount of evidence behind this is astounding. This work is being done by a highly experienced professional with 40 years experience using as a foundation previous and cumulative research. It has been accepted by those who have seen the artifacts and the sites. What basis do you have to question this? And more precisely, which part of this are you questioning specifically? Or are you just being ornery!