Coronado: The New Evidence-Trailer

[@darthsalinas5445]

Interesting.thanks for your hard work

[@trimbaker1893]

that looks like an ox shoe to me. an ox has a cloven hoof that articulates and requires separate shoe halves for the left and right sides of its hoof.

[@manso998]

But it's not. It's a broken horseshoe.

[@trimbaker1893]

dont you get smart with me....just kidding. : ) cool find. I metal detect quite a bit too. @@manso998

[@manso998]

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[@Willsing7]

Awesome!!!! Can’t wait to see it! Deni is literally rewriting history.

[@rodwoods2108]

That horse shoe was incredible.

[@devrim4928]

So exciting!!

[@fload46d]

Great stuff. Fr. Juan Padilla was killed by native Americans in what is now Kansas in 1540. I think it was near Lyons KS and there is now a monument there. Keep looking. I hope you find it.

[@danmacchiarella]

Looking forward to the movie release !

[@ernestclements7398]

That " horse shoe" that was found in the beginning of the video was actually an ox shoe.

[@manso998]

No it is not. I'm sure of that as are other Coronado specialists. It's half a horseshoe. It is broken. I have found plenty of ox shoes and they look nothing like this. There are clear morphological differences that we specialists analyze when we make these claims. To the lay public they may look the same but they're not. And it would be a huge discovery if it was, because no oxen are thought to have been along because no wagons or carts are thought to have been along. Their intent was to eat those animals. So, if there was any chance it could be an ox shoe, I would be all over it.

[@manso998]

I made this video for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIfQZnehoq2Lebc

[@Balticpeasant]

“That belongs in a museum” Dr. H. W. Jones Jr.

[@manso998]

Yes, it does. It is covered under my curation agreement with the state curatoral facility. Dr. D. J. Seymour

[@TylerD288]

Was looking for this comment. 🤓👍

[@archeojoel]

That is so exciting!!! I can hardly wait!!!

[@jimmoses6617]

Interesting to know the exact route Coronado took, but I wouldn't describe it as earth shattering. We know when they left, have many detailed accounts of the journey by Castaneda, et al., know when they got to Zuni, etc. Can you explain how knowing the exact route would change history and to what extent? Thank you

[@manso998]

Did you even watch the trailer? Several "earth shattering" as you say, or significant, consequences and implications are both hinted at and stated, even in this trailer. The film, of course, is more explicit and more detailed.

[@jimmoses6617]

@@manso998 I did watch the trailer. Big Picture though in my question. Thanks.

[@manso998]

@@jimmoses6617 first of all, everyone thought that the Opata were those encountered by Coronado and instead it's the O'odham. Second the route is in an entirely different place than people expected. Third the battle that occurred and the violence that elicited it tell an entirely different history of the beginning of contact between Europeans and O'odham. Fourth we have the earliest town site in the American Southwest, and probably the third attempted one in the entire US. This is the first successful native American uprising in the continental US. There's many more things but these are just some of them, including the earliest gun on the continent and the first Coronado gun.

[@TheMontoya09]

finding actual evidence and artifacts to show for future generations and to store it proof to also protect these historical sites. government funding wont come from heresay

[@jimmoses6617]

@@manso998 Thank you for articulating the significance. Good luck!

[@jamesziegler9888]

When does the documentary come out?

[@manso998]

It's out now. But it will be out on PBS starting August 3rd. You may have to request it in your market. It had its international premier in Australia in March.

[@Ashphinchtersayswhat]

Not sure but don’t they have evidence of Coronado in Az?

[@manso998]

We do now! We have 9 verified Coronado expedition sites. Watch this video to explain how the guy who claimed to have Coronado evidence did not. He just had Spanish period. If I claimed what he claimed I would have at least 20 more sites: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnauc3R5h9J7f7s

[@Ashphinchtersayswhat]

@@manso998 that’s so neat. I love archeology. Verdi valley rim rock the whole state of az and 4 corners states are chock full of amazing stuff.

[@OpieDogie]

Wow! How can I get a copy of this presentation?

[@manso998]

There will be a Nogales showing, probably in December.

[@exploreAZ]

Will there be other showings? Or how can we watch this

[@manso998]

There will be a Nogales showing, probably in December.

[@exploreAZ]

@@manso998 awesome post details on the tube when you know.

[@manso998]

Dec 9 at 10 am Oasis Theater Nogales. Link is in description above

[@exploreAZ]

Awesome for those who can't make the premiere where will this be available after?

[@manso998]

There will be a Nogales showing, probably in December.

[@fcausey1]

@@manso998 Nogales, AZ Dec. 9 at 10am Oasis Theater

[@holasoyjose9683]

Amazing

[@roncross1945]

Be very wary of “missing links “.

[@manso998]

Huh?

[@TylerD288]

Come to Albuquerque where Coronado founded a mall is his honor.

[@robertodebeers2551]

That looks like an ox shoe. Best check.

[@manso998]

No, actually, it does not look like an ox shoe. Believe me, I checked and continue to check before asserting an identification. My Coronado colleagues have affirmed the identification as well. It is a fragment of a mule or horse shoe and shows evidence it was broken. It would be a very big deal if it was an ox shoe, as there should not have been any cart-pulling oxen on this expedition. So, if you think you can prove that it is a medieval ox shoe, with evidence, please convey this to me and I will gladly revise my view. But it is too narrow to be an ox shoe and it does not have the morphology, and it is a fragment, broken on the narrow end. We have several ox shoes but these are all more recent. No medieval ones yet.

[@robertodebeers2551]

Okay. Reason I mentioned it, is that we had ox shoes nailed above the door in the ranch bunkhouse, and I'd guess that with a few hundred years of rust and corrosion, an ox shoe would look like what you presented. Anyway, good luck, keep digging. @@manso998

[@robertodebeers2551]

Yes, all my experts here at Busted Stump Montana agree that the artifacts you've collected are ox shoes, including that "horseshoe nail" you're trying to pass off as a horseshoe nail, when clearly it is an ox shoe. Ma'am, I've been teasing you. Please don't take a fool like me seriously. @@manso998

[@manso998]

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[@whynotoutside9993]

That's an ox shoe

[@manso998]

No, actually, it does not look like an ox shoe. Believe me, I checked and continue to check before asserting an identification. My Coronado colleagues have affirmed the identification as well. It is a fragment of a mule or horse shoe and shows evidence it was broken. It would be a very big deal if it was an ox shoe, as there should not have been any cart-pulling oxen on this expedition. So, if you think you can prove that it is a medieval ox shoe, with evidence, please convey this to me and I will gladly revise my view. But it is too narrow to be an ox shoe and it does not have the morphology, and it is a fragment, broken on the narrow end. We have several ox shoes but these are all more recent. No medieval ones yet.

[@michaeltaylor4984]

​@@manso998Proof that it was a Coronado expedition remnant would back your hypothesis. You have it, or just shooting from the hip?

[@manso998]

@@michaeltaylor4984 I definitely have it and other professionals have confirmed. It is not a hypothesis. I now have 9 proven Coronado sites.

[@manso998]

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[@Archangels1]

It’s in Texas. But they trekked all over the place. Hence the name explorers.

[@josephtpg2205]

Edgar Lopez explored Utah in 1535

[@manso998]

Are you referring to the movie, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade? 😆

[@josephtpg2205]

@@manso998 nope an actual Spanish explorer.

[@arklinmike]

Well she IS being very coy about the location. The Babocomari isn't anywhere close to Coronado Memorial.

[@manso998]

and why does the location of the Coronado Memorial have anything at all to do with where the actual route is?! Its placement was political. I am required by law to keep site locations secret.

[@raedwulf61]

Medieval horseshoe? 1500s is not Medieval.

[@manso998]

Yep, read this: Medieval artifacts on Coronado sites? www.deni-seymour.com/about-3-1

[@es2056]

Coronado?? How about researching the trail blazed by Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca across Texas and Northern Mexico over an odyssey that lasted 8 years? Now that is of greater historical importance. Without Cabeza de Vaca the Spanish probably would have never colonized North America and he was a champion of the rights of the indigenous first people even though he was enslaved and tortured by them for three years.

[@manso998]

First of all, this new Coronado trail evidence does inform on aspects of the Cabeza de Vaca route. I have been intrigued by his route for some time. Yet, the problem with trying to study Cabeza de Vaca and Marcos de Niza is that it's unlikely that anything tangible has been left. For example, Cabeza de Vaca was naked and had no Spanish artifacts with him. So how will we see him? That's the problem. As an archaeologist we have to look for those behaviors and events that leave tangible physical and spatial evidence. That being said, I have traced part of the trail and we have pretty good evidence, documentary evidence, for certain places that he went. In fact, the thing that I am writing up right now discusses this aspect of how this new Coronado trail evidence informs on Cabeza de Vaca. Yet, this can only go so far. First of all the documentary record can be interpreted in a variety of ways. And secondly, as is very clear with the Coronado route, one can argue convincingly for a variety of options based on documentary and geographic evidence alone.

[@es2056]

@@manso998 Fair enough. I have studied Cabeza de Vaca's exploits for many years and I find his story fascinating. I was born and raised in the exact part of the Wild Horse Desert where he allegedly crossed the Rio Bravo (Rio Grande) into Mexico so I have a real connection with the pre-colonial history involving Spain and the Southwest. I have even traced my ancestry to the 15th century where I have ancestors with the title "Conquistador". What frustrates me is the lack of interest in this story. I am only aware of one movie about this and it is not that good. It would be incredible if a documentary were made on this. Needless to say I look forward to your documentary. When will it be completed and where will it be shown? Good luck to you and your team.

[@manso998]

@@es2056 The documentary has been completed and is now being shown locally and internationally. Its all now a matter of networks etc. showing it. We want to do a second episode as the project is on-going and many more interesting finds have been found. I am finding that there is a real interest in this story and we hope it gains momentum. But as you know, people tend to ignore Spanish and Native history. We hope to change that. Regarding CdeV, my reconstruction has him going through the El Paso area and then on over to where we have our sites. It was not a straight route but I think I have Corazones pegged pretty well and if I am right, he was much further north than has been thought by many. Coronado's expedition goes through that same place. South of your area is the pinon area which I think we know have a pretty good handle on with respect to distributions. But here again, you have him going one way, me another. How do you resolve that without archaeological data to pinpoint it?