Artist pro (Gen2) 165Hz Pro Reviews

[@Houdini_Bob]

Excellent review, xp-pen is really stepping up their game. interesting that Adam Duff did a review on the Artist Pro19 Gen 2. I have the 16 Pro Gen 2 and really like it.

[@cowboy_atlas]

Awesome review! I'd love to see a comparison between this and the Huion Kamvas Pro 24

[@sarundayo]

"Eat it WACOM" - Phrase of the year 😂

[@Davidv91]

I just realized your gaming library in the background is insane

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@Davidv91 yeah I may have a problem. More of it can be seen in the previous room update video

[@IMKatar]

seems like a good improvement over the past models =) Just one advice, if you can spend 1-200 more for the 4k version go for it! With screens so big the resolution has to be high if you want to make any kind of precise linework (like inking). I'm not a concept artist, I'm a comic book artist and in my experience with many different tablets I realized that resolution is the top priority for us! =)

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@IMKatar I believe you. Not having used a 4k display myself I just have to increase the file resolution if I want those crisp lines.

[@malikgarcia699]

@@TylerEdlin84how is the heating on the Tablet, heard the 165 hrz version gets pretty warm? And can you switch the refreshrate to less or back to 60hrz?

[@LillenArt2]

165 hz sounds amazing and the color looks great!!

[@Khaleddraws]

I have the xppen 16 pro and I really like it. I think the colors are not very accurate but it seems like Xppen is upping their game and making their tablets better

[@redemptling]

Hey, on the note about touch screens. Windows tends to have a "feature" turned on by default that usually messes with people when using a touchscreen tablet. Windows pen and touch uses the pen as a 11th finger letting you operate with touch and pen at the same time. A better way to use it would be for touch not to register when the pen is touching the screen (meaning for zooming or other features you lift the pen slightly). Just wanted to throw it out there because a lot of people turn touch off instead of changing this function (that makes almost all touch enabled tablets much smoother to use).

[@pdfpdf1984]

great review! Sir, could you feel what 165hz gave you as a high resolution tablet? Is it valuable to buy this 165hz tablet instead of 60hz tablet?

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@pdfpdf1984 it’s def better especially if you use this as a full secondary monitor. and even play games on it. To just paint or draw I don’t thinks it’s totally necessary

[@pdfpdf1984]

@@TylerEdlin84 Oh thanks for the reply, frankly, I am a hard-note taker as a teacher. And I am so sensitive between 60hz tablet and 120hz tablet like iPad Pro and iPad mini. I can tell the former from the latter very very well. I have 60hz screen tablet like Wacom Cintiq pro 24 and Huron kamvas pro 24. So don;t hesitate for telling the thing as you' ve experienced sir. I am really appreciative for your telling me. Could you say that when we use this 165hz tablet as a note-taking, we can experience the difference from 60hz screen tablet even a little more? Does 165hz screen tablet give us the difference even very a little from 60hz one? I use very big screen tablet for note taking, So I think if there is a little difference, it really turns me on. I hope your answer for these. Thx

[@AstroHDN]

Hello Tyler! I am torn between the 165Hz version and the 4k version. This would be my main monitor. I intend on creating animations, so the 165Hz is attractive for gestures. Though, I’m nervous about the line quality of illustrations. Basically, I’m wondering if the pixels are distracting when small objects are zoomed in. Thanks.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@AstroHDN no that’s not an issue so far

[@samreevesartist]

Nice review! I've used my XP-Pen 22E Pro for years, and I love it. In fact, I tried going back to an Intuos drawing pad and can't do it. I also like that in this new generation of XP-Pen that the parallax is so good. This is the only complaint I have about my monitor. I have to re-calibrate it often. Otherwise, it is perfect.

[@don-dori]

Hi Tyler! Did you have any issues with the heat of the screen so far? I'm torn between the 4k and 165hz model. Heard that the 165hz gets considerably warmer than the 4k, especially on the right side where power connection is. While it's always possible to lower the refresh rate, it would defeat the purpose of buying a high refresh one in the first place.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@don-dori I felt no heat at all so far

[@robinsonrojas9995]

Wow! , pareciera ser que esta es la tableta perfecta.....Pero, me gustaria que hicieras un acercamiento a la pantalla, para ver el paralaje y la resolución. He sabido que la textura antideslumbrante de estos monitores hace que los detalles se vean borrosos. También quisiera saber cómo se comporta el lápiz en los bordes de la pantalla. Podrías comentar algo de esto? Gracias!!

[@Ray3D]

XP Pen has really stepped up their game and are competing toe-2-toe with Wacom

[@christosgikas735]

I bought it and comes tomorrow...I bought the 165hz version cause i already rock the 4k huion kanvas..I just have to try the high refresh rate....

[@christosgikas735]

Hey Mr Tyler how is the 2k 24 in difference with a 24 4k...Can you really see the pixels...?I think it will be ok....

[@mihairares3601]

If you have both now, which is better?

[@christosgikas735]

@@mihairares3601 Hello mate…Better in my opinion is the Xppen..165hz 2k 24 and better paper texture to draw…the 4K version is better of course…but only if you use it only as a drawing display…the 165hz is good to use as monitor but you will not see an advance in refresh when draw in ps,krita or cps..only in rotation Kanvas you see difference in refresh rate and with hand move functions….hope to help you…But whatever you buy you are 90% from what you could have done with a 2000 plus Wacom….You just buy more of a tool with those brands….

[@mihairares3601]

@@christosgikas735 Thanks for the replay ,but i ask you the difference between the xp-pen and huion , because you said that you rock huion kanvas 24 k, and by saing that you rock the huion i understand that you have this tablet ?!! so, i am curios abouth the huion because i already have Xp-pen 165hz 2k 24

[@christosgikas735]

​@@mihairares3601 Hahahha ok sorry..i was in a hurry...Yes ive got both...screen texture is better in xppen...i like the bezels too...I have to say that i use as my main the 165hz and leave the 24 4k from huion in the side....

[@hannahdeards9652]

I can’t seem to get your discount code to work at checkout. Could you please check if you’ve written it down correctly? Great review by the way!

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@hannahdeards9652 ok will look into that today when I get home

[@dovmerrill804]

Tyler, You mentioned the option of VESA mounting larger (and heavier) display tablets like this new XP Pen Pro 24 on an “arm”. Have you much experience with arm-mounted displays? My main question is “stability” of the tablet while drawing (with arm-mounted tablet), or while lightly leaning the forearm on the bezel of the tablet while drawing on the tablet. I guess the question is: have you found any arms that are stable (ie. don’t move around, wobble, or sag) for extended drawing sessions (even if a forearm lightly leans on the tablet)? I’d like to be able to swing the arm w/tablet out of the way (when not needed, or if I need to get out of the chair), and then when needed, swing it in front of me (just hanging over the edge of the desk), with a keyboard under it, slightly above my lap, on an under-desk, slide-out shelf (like in your desk/keyboard setup).

[@olahaldor]

I had a 22" a few years ago on an Ergotron arm, and it was a bit wobbly to be honest. You couldn't lean on it, if that's how you like to work. I learned how to sit and work with it to not have it wobble as much though, took some patience and still required to take some breaks to not get a sore back etc.

[@dovmerrill804]

@@olahaldor Thanks greatly for your input. Your comments seem to be the similar with KZbinr’s (rare) comments on videos where they review arms like the Much- purchased Ergotron XL ( I think it’s called) and the Amazon Basics arm. In thinking about my original comment and your actual-use comments, I had this idea: If almost all arms seem to be a bit wobbly or unstable, I wonder if I could create a “quick release, adjustable clamping/support mechanism” that could be clamped to the edge of the desk and then quick-clamped to the side or bottom of the display tablet for stiff support (I guess, it would wind up being another specialized arm)?

[@olahaldor]

@@dovmerrill804 I think that would b e a great idea, a second point of contact to stiffen the assembly. I used to lean the bottom of the pen display on the table, though not mount it. It helped a bit, but was not perfect. So you have a great idea there!

[@dovmerrill804]

@@olahaldor Thanks! Yes, leaning tablet on the desk makes common sense for some quick, no-cost support (hits forehead - why didn’t I think of that!). I’ll keep all this ideas in mind going forward. Cheers!

[@ninja_tony]

Hmmm. I hate to sound negative, but I have the first gen version and absolutely LOVE it, and this to me feels like a massive step backwards. I absolutely HATE the buttons being on a separate remote, the side buttons and track wheels are incredibly intuitive and useful, and have changed my entire workflow, and really sped up my productivity, so to see them remove them entirely in favor of a separate device just sucks. Otherwise, it does seem about the same for the most part, and I have had a fantastic experience with mine and would highly recommend XP Pen to anyone. It’s just the whole button thing really bothers me. I get why they did it, but….man, that sucks. EDIT: Ok, yeah that was more negative than I meant to be, but you did point out a lot of improvements, so I would still say this would be great for anyone that’s looking for a new tablet. I wouldn’t mind trying to get used to not having the side buttons, but it would take some effort for sure lol

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@ninja_tony yeah I don’t do any buttons on the thing and I don’t bother with the remote either. Just a keyboard user here.

[@ninja_tony]

@@TylerEdlin84 that’s fair, I’m probably an outlier because I know a lot of artists use keyboard shortcuts extensively, and I don’t really use them as often. Either way, XP PEN is just phenomenal in my opinion, and I’ve used Wacom tablets for years as well. I would recommend XP PEN to anyone that doesn’t have a few thousand dollars lying around.

[@Notafan765]

would you suggest more Huion Kamvas Pro 24 (4k) or XP-Pen Artist 24 Pro (Gen 2) 4k?

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@Notafan765 depends what you want to prioritize, refresh rate or resolution. Both are great

[@hoitheguy]

I have sworn off Wacom because of expensive issues, but I have been using XP Pen for years tho. This looks like a good upgrade for my current tablet, ty for the review

[@don-dori]

Wacom is super expensive yes, but sadly still the only ones that offer high end specs in one package so they have no reason to lower the price. Their pro line is definitely aimed at top-class studios where true 10bit and certified top color accuracy are important. On top of that it also has multitouch and 120hz refresh 10ms response time. Stuff like that does come at a price and when there's no direct competition they can slap extra price too. If xppen made ONE display that was 4k, 10bit (8bit+FRC), 120-165hz, at least some color certification (like skintone, pantone or something) and instead made a second model a multitouch too, then they would be a more direct competition but the price would definitely be in the 2-3k range. For what they offer with both 4k and 165hz models, they're actually pricey too.

[@jamesbullo]

I'm still using the Artist Pro 24 with the shortcuts and dials. Curious to hear your thoughts on this Gen2.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@jamesbullo I haven’t used that first model but spec wise this has decent upgrades. Unless your tablet is dead or malfunctions I’d keep it if you like it till it’s time to upgrade

[@vin4216]

Is USB type C enough to power it alone when connected to laptop?

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

that model is way better than the 4 k version , because of the vrr , making it an actual all purpose monitor but xp pen still disapointed me with the 22 inches gen 2 .... like whare is the 1440p at , 1080p at 22 inches when the panel is at 50 cm from the eyes is down right bad , only 100ppi

[@realPablo1314]

Damn i never seen that game collection!

[@ToddDolce]

I have now heard reports from several reviewers that there is a definite line wobble when drawing slowly and deliberately. Have you tried to draw a slow line and if so,...have you experienced this?

[@Antisympathy]

Can’t really call it a tablet if it’s still computer dependent imo…I’m considering getting it because I like that it has no buttons on the side. Not sure though because I’ve had some of their other ones with the buttons and I’d always had to turn it upside down (as instructed) so the buttons sit on the right side to set it up for left hand use but it never stayed on left hand setup so I got rid of all them 😢

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@Antisympathy I’m old I call everything with a screen a tablet

[@don-dori]

Was your screen actually set to 165Hz? That doesn't look like anything above 60Hz tbh, can literally see dabs during longer strokes and the brush shape cursor is definitely visibly stuttering and lagging behind as well.

[@TomaZxxZas]

The only reason I'm interested in this is just because of 165Hz display. There's a shockingly small amount of display tablets that go above 60Hz and after trying iPad pro, I can't go back to drawing on a 60Hz display

[@joelsjogren5636]

is it not to big? especially the edges

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@joelsjogren5636 it’s a big bigger than I thought. Got it to fit my space perfectly

[@Deadomen123]

Does 165Hz actually feel a lot different compared to 60Hz? I don't see high refresh rate so beneficial in 2D/3D work, but I might be wrong. In gaming it is useful.

[@olahaldor]

I'm very interested in this question too. When I sculpt in Zbrush at work (60Hz) vs home (120Hz) I am feeling a big difference. But I'm not sure how it behaves on this pen display. I've seen another reviewer saying there's a distinct input lag while drawing. He did not do any sculpting, so it's kind of hard to tell. Finding sculpting videos in general with pen displays is very hard. Wish there were more!

[@Deadomen123]

@@olahaldor I'll receive this pen display this week, so I will know more soon enough :)

[@olahaldor]

@@Deadomen123 nice! Keep us posted :)

[@Deadomen123]

@@olahaldor ​I'm not a very experienced pen display user-just a hobbyist. I previously used an older XP-Pen model and briefly tried a few other brands, so take my first impressions with a grain of salt. First of all, the pen display is huge and quite bulky, so make sure you have enough table space. That said, my experience so far has been very positive. The drawing feel is the best I've encountered on any display, even beating a $3000 Wacom model I tried once (which was also very good). The pen tracking is super smooth with no lag (though this may vary depending on the brush). I actually find the large bezel helpful when drawing. It does heat up a bit on the right side of the screen, so I hope that won’t cause issues over time. Also, the controller lost its Bluetooth connection briefly a few times, but only for a second or two.

[@quanozoga8508]

Would you recommend a Cintiq 24 pro or a xp pen gen 2 4K?

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@quanozoga8508 wacoms are always technically superior but I don’t recommend them 98% of the time. It’s the cost to me and most it’s not worth the minor differences

[@don-dori]

Based on people's complains and reviews, cintiq 24 pro has more haze(rainbow) in their anti glare coating but feels more paper-like. Both are 4k screens with good color accuracy. Cintiq is true 10bit where Artist 24 gen 2 4k is 8bit + FRC. Cintiq is heavier and has fan cooling while Artist is lighter and fanless. And iirc cintiq has a multitouch model as an option while artist does not. If you find a cintiq at similar price it all depends on what might bother you or what you find more important. For non professional use, xppen will always be a better choice especially if you wait for some discount.

[@quanozoga8508]

@@don-dori would you recommend a used Cintiq or the new xp pen?

[@don-dori]

I wouldn't go with a used pen display unless it's in pristine condition. Cintiq offers higher end specs but you might not want the noisy fan, and if you don't have the need for true 10bit color depth the XP Pen is a better choice (unless you are sensitive to FRC, but you could turn it off at the cost of losing fake 10bit capability). Also worth mentioning, the Cintiq has better pen tilt support if that's what you rely on. It's a hard decision but in the end, unless you have a need for specific feature, you'll be happy with either choice.

[@Trenshi.]

@@don-dori but do these differences really change anything in the drawing experience? is it really something that makes a difference? especially judging by the price gap

[@nassirabdu84]

Hi What is the refresh rate of the XP pen artist 24 gen 2 4k screen, 60 hz or 165 hz?

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@nassirabdu84 not sure. I think it’s 60

[@theMightyDafa]

it's 60 Hz, sadly.

[@caebo]

Nice video! How good is the pen tilt compensation? I have the 16 inch one and there is a lot of cursor offset when tilting. I also heard that the glass is thicker than in the 16 inch one.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@caebo it’s def better but not as accurate as say Wacom l. The surface itself really is fantastic

[@caebo]

@@TylerEdlin84 Thanks for the response. If you can make a Short showing the performance of the pen tilt compensation, I'm sure many would appreciate it. This issue is what keeps me undecided between this tablet and the huion kamvas pro 27.

[@dodgesegen]

it can run fortnite?

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@dodgesegen certainly

[@HUN44TER]

dude this is just a screen that u hook up with a pc or laptop.

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@HUN44TER yeah it’s just a screen there is no computer here I was making a joke that anything can run Fortnite

[@SketchPLAY1]

I knew this was a newer version...

[@lostchld]

Xenoblade and Xenogears i see...

[@syedshakaibanwar2698]

165hz??? Damn

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@syedshakaibanwar2698 yeah they really wanted me to stress that new feature

[@c0sm1c-b0y]

only missing the 4k....

[@JezzLundkvist]

QHD is good enough + 165 Hz

[@TylerEdlin84]

@@c0sm1c-b0y would be nice but it would jack the price up and honestly never have used a 4k screen to draw on yet in my life.

[@c0sm1c-b0y]

​@TylerEdlin84 I had the previous 24-inch model and with the DSR in envidia panel I forced the resolution to 4K, this way I had more Canva size and smaller panels or interface.. ofc this is not the best way to do that kind of stuff Cuz the font get blurry.. but for painting works fine.. now a good ips monitor 24" at 4k native look crisp AF, is just gorgeous and once you try that you don't want to go back to 2k.. the problems with the cintiq 24 and 32 pro models was the rainbow effect in the glass.. something like when you create a filter layer with noise in overlay mode and set to 5-7% opacity.. super annoying imo i know the price will go higher if they make it 4k.. but still under the 2k it would be a great deal plus the 165hz ofc.. I really hope they release a 27 4k version or 24 with high refresh rate.. but for digital art mainly, the 4k beat the 165hz Cuz the image looks really amazing.. anyways it is just my opinion and nothing more.. sry for my ugly English and thanks for review Tyler, you're the man! edited: i just saw they have 2 versions, this one with 165hz qhd and another one 4k but no 165hz, if you can, try the 4k version and then let me know if you prefer the qhd version

[@Dpercy]

@@c0sm1c-b0y I've used both the Cintiq 27qhd and 24 pro (4k) for work and can honestly say that there is a big difference.

[@chonkychungus]

shame there’s still no good painting software other than procreate.

[@radattk3145]

CSP

[@MoeruX]

This is PC's display, procreate don't have pc version yet.... PC have lots of good painting software imo, csp, krita, sai, corel painer, photoshop, etc so, uhh, I think your comment in the wrong place or something

[@hannahdeards9652]

I'm a big fan of procreate but... Most of the main PC digital art softwares offer better functions for digital painting 😅 Maybe procreate does like, pencils and pastels and some certain types of textured brushes a little better than CSP and Photoshop, but procreate is nothing near Corel Painter and Rebelle 7. Do you prefer Procreate for the minimal UI?

[@faelwolf1177]

@@radattk3145 Not with their new Adobe-style subscription scheme, licensing paranoia, and privacy/security issues. I no longer recommend CSP at all. Which is a shame, they used to be a very good, pro-consumer company with an awesome product for it's time. Krita is free, open source, and customizable almost to a fault. It doesn't handhold you in some areas like CSP, but it doesn't spy on you and steal your work, either. It has surpassed CSP in some areas, and continues to grow.

[@randomnickify]

Procreate is a toy.