Project Zero Coffee in Melbourne (A Cafe with a Unique Take on Coffee Service)

[@jeremydudet]

That was a pretty cool video. Love seeing the automated dosing in the flow.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it. They do have a very nice array of equipment there!

[@danxie5722]

Thanks for making effort to filming this video. It's interesting to get to know about how coffee industry is going.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

It was a pleasure to meet Kirk and see what he's doing there at Project Zero. Thanks for watching and glad to hear that you enjoyed the video :)

[@josh_dagan]

I had an 8oz latte here a few months ago, didn’t know about the low dose concept at the time. I didn’t love the latte, I was disappointed having seen good google reviews and CBD cafes are usually next level. Now having watched this I wonder if it was because I’m used to drinking double ristretto lattes with rich flavour and texture. Maybe it was any other variable but I have to wonder now that I know how much coffee is going into it.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yep, the recipe certainly is a little different to what we are used to and so is the type of coffee. Which blend did you try for your latte the Home blend or the Strawberry Cheesecake?

[@rek516]

I don't know if I would call this low dose, but more just a different way of doing things. I've always wondered about the challenge of cup sizes, personally with the roasters I've worked with it's always been single espresso for 6oz and double for 12oz. That leaves the 8oz in a weird spot, so the norm has become double ristretto, which not saying it's bad, but it's just difficult to extract the intended flavor the roasters are going for. Project Zero to me then is interesting because you're getting an 8oz with 25g in as the recipe, which intuitively just seems like a better fit for an 8oz than a double ris for various types of coffees. Very curious to go try it out.

[@josh_dagan]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoastersdon’t think it was strawberry

[@josh_dagan]

@@rek516it’s been a while since I watched this but I thought the whole point was that it’s not 25g into 8 oz Its like 12g coffee into 8oz latte right?

[@DandiSindi-u5x]

💯

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Thanks :)

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

That recipe with a split shot is what I've been doing for quite a while and it produces very consistent results, much more so than an 18g dose into a single shot 58mm basket.

[@tzetv]

Question for me is the 25g basket is pulling what output yield per cup? We have been moving into higher ratios than 1:2 - but really bean dependant and less so in milks

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

The output is not so dependent upon the volume of coffee, but the amount extracted. I am currently pre-infusing this recipe at 4 bar, dropping to 3 bar when most of the puck is saturated, pausing, allowing the coffee to saturate with water and expand a bit, then ramping up to 10 bar, dropping to 9 bar when the flow rate increases. I am stopping extraction at around 50g liquid from 24g coffee. Makes 2 really smooth rounded shots, that can be diluted to taste. Makes a really great Vietnamese iced coffee. My basket size is a slightly fluted 22g with non-stick coating which makes for really easy dumping of a dry puck of coffee grounds.

[@2_pelicans]

Damn this is right next to my office, its a great place, great beans, hate to say it but better than artisi beans

[@lestad017]

Crear video!! Wharf is the ñame of the podcast?? Is Sub-zero podcast or hoy a new ñame?

[@JimboJones99]

1:00 - hey ! I'm Jimbo Jones 😭

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

LOL :)

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

When do new videos get uploaded?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

We upload a new video every week on Thursdays at 5:45pm Australian Eastern Standard Time :)

[@binyamingreen]

link to the auto-milk steamer?

[@quokkapirquish6825]

Google La marzocco milk steamer

[@R.B-l7w]

I don’t have a link but that is an UberMilk

[@garybrown5769]

Less background music, can’t hear them talk

[@burnik3000]

12.5grams coffee on 240ml milk. I call BS.

[@redchen3682]

I think his point is that their data shows most people in their area prefer quick coffee and are fine with just one shot. From my own experience serving coffee, I’ve seen this too-most customers can’t tell if their large latte has a single or double shot. So, splitting a 25g dose into two small drinks is a smart idea, and I might try it myself. It only seems questionable if you’re charging high margins, but he mentioned their lattes are affordable. If it’s priced reasonably, I believe customers will choose a one-shot latte more often, especially compared to a two-shot latte priced like Starbucks. Personally, I’d use 12.5g of coffee with 160ml of milk and use a 6oz cup. But I feel like if I do that, some customers might feel like their coffee is too small. That’s probably because the 8oz cup is seen as the standard “small” size everywhere. Thus, having an 8oz drink would create the illusion that they get their money's worth. For those who wants a stronger coffee, they can always have their cortado. From a business standpoint, as long as their one-shot recipe actually tastes good, it makes sense. It’s a win-win for both the café and the customer.

[@pabloeskibar8076]

@@redchen3682 12:39 is 5.50 aud market rate for half a shot?

[@burnik3000]

@@redchen3682 i usually brew 18 grams coffee with a yield of 36g espresso. And Add 130grams milk. Cant imagine the taste of 12.5g coffee with 8oz or 240ml milk. 😂

[@redchen3682]

@@burnik3000 i think for us who are subscribed to this channel, most of us would never drink a 12.5g dose in an 8oz latte. That dose is for commercial consumption since most people would still not know how to distinguish a one shot or 2 shot espresso latte. But like i said I also call BS if you sell it for 5 AUD since that's the same price of a 2 shot espresso latte in other stores.

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

@@burnik3000 His puck is deeper so he gets a much better extraction, which mitigates somewhat. He also is not diluting the milk with condensed steam. I, like you, prefer less milk but I know that is not the case for many customers.

[@PassoPasso-gs6gi]

1:08 namaste namaste is the first time in the morning and I have how to do that to you and I will have

[@quokkapirquish6825]

The extraction recipe adopted is much more like how the Italians in Italy do it.

[@gordonbrien]

Wow. 2/3 of the amount of coffee for full price. Of course don't tell your customers. Don't hire baristas with experience, hire noobs to give customers an experience. Program machines instead of using baristas. If this is the future of coffee then sorry to say it's already here, I can get a $1 mediocre coffee from an automatic machine at the local convenience store.. Thanks for the heads up. If CBD traffic is down then hopefully scams like this get weeded out fast and the good coffee survives.

[@djdeckstar]

Wow. A single shot of coffee is around 9 grams. It’s not a secret, it’s standard. Have you tried it? Or you just trying to bad mouth a small business owner who’s willing to share his experiences

[@gordonbrien]

Yep ive tried a coffee with half the coffee. It tastes weak. He even says they only do it to milky coffees, implying that those customers don't know the difference. Yes I'm bad mouthing a small business that is practicing shrinkflation on their customer's latte.. If they write "Your coffee only has half the coffee you expect" on their board then mea culpa, but I highly doubt that.

[@djdeckstar]

@@gordonbrien lol you haven’t tried his coffee 🤣. Standard coffee shot is 9 grams, it doesn’t matter what your personal preference is. I only drink doubles, doesn’t mean it’s standard. Let the customers decide hater

[@rkytr.2765]

Using 12.5g of Coffee for a latte or a flat white is rip off. Just use smaller doses and make it the right way. Double shot for a Flat white/ Latte, Single for a Cappuccino. I would like to pay more than having so little coffee with a large drink. In Italy they do it right. Smaller basket doses with smaller cups. 15g Espresso with 150ml Cup(Cappuccino). Or 30g Doppio with 250ml Latte. In your case, I can straight buy a glass of foamed milk. You should be ashamed.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Recipes can vary a lot depending on the coffee beans, the equipment and the flavor that's trying to be created or achieved. I think it's wrong to say it's a rip off or assume it won't taste good until you've tried it.