Artists are Angry

[@motobaafeoke4900]

Guys what happened to using 3d models for ref?? And I'm not talking blender, I'm talking easier ones like posemyart and justsketchme? I always use them when I have a specific pose and cant find references anywhere, or use it as a main reference and then use other supplementary ones.

[@aidenjonesart]

@@motobaafeoke4900 i love using 3d models! you can literally chose any pose or angle you want

[@motobaafeoke4900]

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[@aidenjonesart]

@@motobaafeoke4900there are so many alternative methods that ergojosh could be using that don’t involve ai, it’s crazy😭

[@theinfamousTeyo]

Another one overlooked using yourself!

[@Kimmie_OFF]

@@motobaafeoke4900 I love blender & Adobe Illustrator 🤩

[@hollyreid3852]

His cop out: "AI is a tool" yeah so are the flower and grass stamp brushes in art programs. It doesn't mean it looks good. Also using AI as a reference when AI isn't reliable to actually a terrible idea. Have you SEEN AI hair? If he doesn't know how to draw 3D hair, he shouldn't use AI, because it CONSTANTLY gets it wrong, and his most recent art has random disconnected hair bits everywhere just like AI constantly has. But if you haven't built the skill, you wouldn't notice it.

[@aidenjonesart]

exactly! the AI hair in his new piece looks so off. it looked better from the start with no ai

[@huymaivan8671]

He is trying to distract people from the main objection "AI generative is a tool made from stolen good of other artist". No one care how ecthical AI is in medical department and but he still keep bring it on as a shield for his action.

[@hollyreid3852]

Also I love how the tech bros only two defenses are "AI is inevitable" or "It's always amature artists arguing against AI." At least amature artists can draw better than these yahoos. 😂

[@aidenjonesart]

exactlyyyyy😭😭

[@EnzoTrash]

wait where are they getting that? pretty much every artist i've seen from every skill level is against AI. the ones that I have seen for it just happen to be highly commercialized artists who don't really have the spark anymore and who's light left their eyes years ago

[@aidenjonesart]

@@EnzoTrash you would be surprising how many comments i got in my last video, defending the use of ai😭

[@anordinaryfellow2832]

💀 truth has been spoken

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

Never heard any AI user say that it's only amateur artists against AI. Closest I've heard is they're the only ones who have to worry about it from a detailed output perspective. Though there's a lot more defenses than just two.

[@MoonS4S]

Ai isnt replacing humans, humans replace themselves with ai.

[@MoonS4S]

Ai lacks depth, like all the artblooks like flat or the scene doesnt make sense in terms of proportion

[@ryanartward]

It's not using A.I in some way in the art that is a main problem in my view, it's about allowing these companies to exploit more and more of the material many artists have created and monetizing them with their programs with nothing in return. Ergo is a fantastic artist, he doesn't need that NFT grade crap to be his best self. I hope he remembers that.

[@carlkligerman1981]

He is doing this because AI augmented work will be labelled, and he has been using it all along, so he had to get in front of it to save face. Once a tracer, always a tracer. The guy is an influencer, not a real artist, and certainly NOT an educator!

[@Kimmie_OFF]

Its crazy how AI has taken over the world literally 😭😭😭 it involves everything 😢

[@aidenjonesart]

right! its everywhere

[@taufikrigo]

They're like among us, they're everywhere!

[@almond4887]

forced on your devices with updates you cant stop too... its a nuisance.

[@feza6053]

Its just like the internet, a massive innovation that people may not accept at the start but we will live with it soon

[@AdamDuffArt]

I really appreciate your take on this Aiden - you've really touched on a whole range of important topics and I appreciate your very balanced perspective. Thank you!

[@aidenjonesart]

thank you! i appreciate your support🫶

[@ji_ji_]

I think Josh uses a lot of tools and, if given the opportunity to add to his arsenal, he'll eagerly accept anything claiming to be another tool... paired with a lot of artists having this " pandoras box is already open" sorta mentality when it comes to AI- I think it was just a matter of time before a big artist tried to use AI. The problem is , AI can be a tool - but as it stands right now it's like a robot made from stolen parts , just because that robot can do neat things - doesn't mean I shouldn't ask for my toaster back. There might be a future where AI can be ethical , but its not the AI that is present today.

[@leschroder7773]

Do i care? Nuh uh. The fact hair is the easiest thing to get right or fuck up is crazy to me. Is he really using ai to do that?

[@gozu9455]

josh is the kind of person making art inspired by ai to replace himself. pathetic

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

well saiddd

[@aidenjonesart]

@@friendlyneighborhoodartist thanks!!

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

@@aidenjonesart welcome :)

[@dmrfunkster]

if AI image generation is the future, then why the need for ergo anyone"? +P

[@CreativaArtly]

Josh has officially lost it and it’s so sad to see because I genuinely used to absolutely adore his content.

[@lilypadrocks872]

Watched a lot of vidoes concerning his stance on Ai, following he seemed like someone who advocated how the human limit can be pushed and even better than Ai, then to come 360 backwards was honestly suprising, he seemd so angrily adamant and self asssured that using Ai for this specific purpose is generally okay, there are things he could have used 3d models, can even call out for help from his audience for reference or even push his limits of his imagination that he seemed to advocate before, but went to the Ai route, my issue with Ai is that is a technology pushed with no of sought ethical stand ard, and more so attacking something that is intrinsic to human creativity, music ,art, movies etc, in any case ErgoJosh shouldn't be taken seriously anymore we shouldn't be upset, angry or disappointed he took his stance and we know were he stands in the situation on Artist vs Ai what we should forcus is our own journey as an artist and pushing Ai art from human creativity

[@soraiizu]

waw your arts so cool^^

[@aidenjonesart]

thank you!

[@roachewy]

ergojosh sucks

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

It seems like there's a lot of either misunderstanding or outright misrepresentation from this video. ErgoJosh didn't say to use AI, only that it is here to stay, and that there is a more ethically correct way to use it if one wants to. While real life art does exist for references, some desired references are so specific that AI art would be the go-to. 2:00 Eh, sort of. I'd be curious what you'd really mean by "depth" since depth seems almost like a "beauty" thing, which is in the eye of the beholder. Though, the right person making AI art can result in plenty of depth, from what I have seen. 3:33 I think using a real reference in such a way somewhat defeats the point of the video, which was using AI while minimizing its plagiaristic aspects in one's art. He did use his own body for reference, and some human art as reference, but AI was necessary for the point of the video. Also, sure, using AI references instead of learning how to draw every pose imaginable is "lazy" but so is any possible easy way out. The same could be said for your digital painting instead of traditional painting. Not everyone has/wants to dedicate the time to learn those things, and AI giving more specific references simply helps in that process. That's the point of references to begin with. 5:52 I find that interesting. I've noticed lots of people say it's not even your art anymore, just the AI's, so I find you saying AI making your art better for you being better than using it as a reference as very unexpected. I'd be curious as to what your explanation for that would be. 7:22 You say "traced" but to frame it as if he simply redrew what the AI made is misleading. He used it for some key shapes, but the hair he made is obviously very different from the AI reference material. I'm curious about the "ethics" of AI in your view, since you seem to have no problem with reference material, seemingly regardless of copyright, even though AI itself is based on reference material. I know you mention it effecting "traditional" artists (even though digital is not traditional), but the same can be said for cameras, yet I doubt you've given up on smart phones in solidarity with that idea. Also, I do actually agree that the original draft, and even second draft for the hair, seemed to have more potential and would've been better than the final draft. Just saying that to show I'm not intentionally being a total contrarian.

[@ssr500_]

Artists should really be left alone to use any tool they see fit

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

@@ssr500_ I can mostly agree with that take. Though oddly enough, it's generally other artists who give artists trouble over the tools they use, not the general public.

[@deviltrope]

you really doesn't have to comment on someone's lazyness that much. in fact you shouldn't do it at all. everyone has their own ways cutting corners. putting ai legitimacy aside, not every artist has the time to draw things "the right way". as someone who has only a couple hours a day after work for personal things I feel very frustrated hearing all that lazyness stuff. if you can cut cornrers in your process, you should absolutely do that. the only thing josh fucked up with was the usage of PAID ai. this thing absolutely nobody should do, otherwise referencing ai pictures that you didn't put money in is just the same as using other references. just don't sponsor ai. that sould be it.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

Fair assessment.

[@taufikrigo]

Idk

[@williammclean6594]

I don’t see the point of people getting mad over this because if you think about it AI it’s just gonna keep getting better and in the future probably 80% of everything will be AI. We won’t even think about it like this anymore probably end up like that movie, Wally or, something far worse were like 80% of the jobs that we have are all done by AI and people don’t really work anymore or a very small percentage of the population works. And then they have to introduce the system like UBI universal basic income where they just give us, an allowance money money to live on. I just don’t think it’s worth fighting. Maybe they introduce laws to stop its progression but eventually it will take over I think.

[@BrianReplies]

Synthography is not "unethical". And you saying that it is a thousand times won't change that. You're just in an echo chamber. Everyone is saying 'Yeah yeah yeah! It's unethical". You even appeal to the mob by citing "the comments" section. It's like you saying, "If everyone in the comments section agrees that it's unethical...that means it IS unethical, right? Ten thousand people couldn't be wrong." Yes. Yes they CAN be wrong. And they are. They are all on the wrong side of history.

[@aidenjonesart]

then how come the creators of the images that these image generators use to generate their own images, aren’t compensated? that seems a bit unethical to me

[@gerdaleta]

​@@aidenjonesart😮 do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound talking about the ethics of art while do you know AI right now is being used to kill people in war there are larger issues than your art ethics no one cares😮

[@OlWyatt]

Ultimately only time will tell who is on the right or wrong side of history, but my main beef with AI isn’t the idea of AI itself. It’s the fact that they are modeled after art that people actually had to work really hard to create. And you have all these people that can’t empathize with them for some reason? I here so many pro AI people basically maniacally laughing as thousands of people will be out of jobs. And let’s not be naïve here, they will lose jobs. Capitalism essentially REQUIRES companies to pay as little as possible to make products, so do you think a large number of companies won’t take advantage of this? Why pay a starving college artist for a logo when you can just use AI that was trained on their art to begin with? They won’t. Some will, absolutely. Handmade art as a whole won’t go away, there will always be a market for it, but it will get harder and harder to tell them apart. People say you can always tell, yet ai art has already fooled many people and it’s not even at its full potential. And I see people who don’t value art or artists kind of belittling the work, and almost gleefully cheering on the AI. The thing is, it’s not just going to cut a bunch of artists out, competition was already super tough, but it’ll be worse now, and it isn’t going to stop at art. It’ll come for many jobs. I’ve been a fairly successful artist for about 15 years now, my job is relatively secure, for now. But what about all the kids that grew up dreaming of becoming an artist, working at it everyday, and then having their hopes dashed. I just don’t see much humanity coming from the pro AI side. When the IPad became all the rage a lot of people got worked up and thought it would make art too easy, therefor making their hard work obsolete (which would make anyone upset, hello? If you work your whole life for something, and then you’re basically told congratulations, that was a waste of time, now you have to get a job you hate or starve, even though you’re really good at something most humans actually do value.) without realizing that even though it does make things easier, YOU still have to come up with the ideas and draw the things out. This is different. I just wish there was more nuance to this. Because I think most everyday people would just use it for fun or inspiration, but there are bigger implications, tools are always just tools, but we should have learned by now that the people in positions of power will use them to exploit others. Thinking that won’t happen is a bit naïve. And I’m sorry, but I’m pretty sure the side that cheers on the suffering of others (job loss, devaluation of art and artists (artists are already stereotyped as “starving” because it’s hard enough as is for most of them to make ends meet without a giant machine to compete with) aren’t usually on the right side of history IMO.

[@aidenjonesart]

@@gerdaletajust because there are larger issues doesnt mean the one i’m talking about doesnt matter. you are just avoiding the argument by changing the topic.

[@aprodelblod121]

Oh wow, they actually attempt to rebrand of this pretentious garbage? Bahaha We both know, there is zero difference between this utter waste of time you practice and what a spam a bot uploads, as well as how utterly irrelevant you are for the product you pretend is yours. You just take a can of beans from a supermarket shelf, dump it cold onto a plate, and don't just pretend you cook but also that you are a 5-star chef. Just as delusional as flat earthers.