As It Was - Rethinking the Editing of Srila Prabhupada's Books | H.G. Radhika Raman Prabhu | 2023…

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[@mandarsahastrabuddhe8251]

How can we comment on this lecture unless we ourselves know everything about the background....

[@brightlifeessentalsllc7578]

Critical Editions is for critical thinkers so not everyone will appreciate this information for what it’s worth. As for myself, I feel more connected in regard to respecting the process that each edition went through to make it to the public. Is it possible for me to get a full copy of his paper?Excellent presentation, thanks for sharing!! Hare Krsna, 🙏🏽🙇🏾‍♀️

[@BhaktaRobin]

Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5rWZ3hoo6-qa8U HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHWYeq13jdlsp7s Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnvOXmeip7qpiLc Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change kzbin.info/www/bejne/omXVgJpnj8h9esk

[@Terrible-Ted]

Only the original editions are bonified Prabhupad did not and would not want anyone changing his books! They don't have the right!!!

[@BhaktaRobin]

@@Terrible-Ted www.bookchanges.com

[@edvinchandra1277]

If one wants to be cheated then, one will be cheated.

[@andresalazar2745]

@@Terrible-Tedthey weren’t actually they were Hayagrivas words not Prabhupada’s. Prabhupada approved the editing of his books for clarity

[@romanRS647]

Hare Krishna🍇

[@keshavapamho]

Srila Prabhupada said the Western world people always want change that is in their blood. acharyas has never changed anything so stop the change.

[@vivekmishra_2362]

Hare Krishna PrabhuJi, Dandawat Pranam. I was really concerned over this topic for a while and being the neophyte devotee that I am, it really came to a point when I started questioning the integrity of this process and the institution. But Now I'd like to say I am fairly convinced about the changes and dont need to worry as long as (like you said) whether Krishna IS the Supreme Personality of Godhead or not.😂

[@edvinchandra1277]

The basic thing is if Srila Prabhupada had wanted his books to be changed perpetually, he would have said it but he never said such a thing or gave a written directive to go on changing his books perpetually, over the next millions of years.

[@LEWISEINHORN]

His Grace Radhika Raman prabhu may have misrepresented that in the "rascal editors" conversation in April, 1977, Srila Prabhupada approved a re-editing of all of his written works. His secretary was obviously pushing for his approval, but his reply was a simple, "Hmmm." His actual statement made in regard to the revisions made in the Sri Isopanisad was, "The next printing should be to the original way." He further said that whichever GBC trustee was in Los Angeles should see to it that no further changes to his books should be made. Comment humbly submitted by Locanananda dasa.

[@Terrible-Ted]

I only get my books from Krishna books Inc. They only sell the pre 1978 editions of Prabhupads books. I don't touch or look at changed editions as his Devine Grace would not approve of anyone changing any of his books and it is honestly illegal to change a authors books after they have passed from this world. The BBT should be printing the original books only and toss those changed editions in the trash.

[@edvinchandra1277]

BBT was hijacked after the departure of Srila Prabupada. It is changed to BBTi.

[@knoyourself]

How can I read 11 and 12 canto of Prabhupada original bhagavatam? Do I have to read new version?

[@HareKrsnaHareRama]

The next printing should be again to the original way. (Srila Prabhupada conversation, June 22, 1977, Vrindaban) Srila Prabhupada: … So you bring this to Satsvarupada. They cannot change anything. (Srila Prabhupada conversation, June 22, 1977, Vrindaban)

[@sacisuta9246]

Reading Srila Prabhupada's original pre - 1978 books there is no error, mistake, or misunderstandings, everything is clear and straightforward and honest. How can you justify changing the words of Guru? Guru tattva is not different than Lord Krsna Himself. This nonsense should stop and Prabhupada's original books (only) should be distributed. If you write your own books under the authority and instruction of the spiritual master as we are instructed to do and write literature on the science of Krsna Consciousness, then you get the "credit" for your good work. That activity is pleasing to Krsna and His devotees and it is the greatest welfare activity. To write over and above the spiritual master is an offense, Srila Prabhupada many times instructed not to change anything especially "the message". This is also a form of plagiarism. The term for changing someone else's work or writing for one's own purposes is "plagiarism" if the changes involve copying and presenting the altered work as one's own. If the changes are more about adapting or transforming the original work without proper attribution or permission, it may also be considered a form of intellectual property infringement or copyright violation. It's important to note that there are different types and degrees of intellectual property violations, and the specific legal and ethical implications can vary based on the nature of the changes and the applicable laws. Therefore one should consider the laws given by Krsna, Sadhu, Sastra and Guru as foremost.

[@andresalazar2745]

The original pre 1978 wasn’t Prabhupada’s it was Hayagrivas that’s why it needed editing and Prabhupada approved this editing.

[@sacisuta9246]

@@andresalazar2745 The actual problem/ mistake is the editing of the books after 1978 , without Srila Prabhupada's consent or approval. Especially when he clearly said many times to his disciples "do not change my books".

[@andresalazar2745]

@@sacisuta9246 but he also clearly said that he trusted Jayadvaita Swamis edits

[@sacisuta9246]

@@andresalazar2745 " Kṛṣṇa is so kind. So therefore Vedas, they are not man-made books. Veda, apauruṣeya. Apauruṣeya means not made by... We should not take Vedas as ordinary mental speculation book. No. It is perfect knowledge. It is perfect knowledge. And one has to take as it is, without any adulteration, interpretation. So it is spoken by God. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā is also Veda. It is spoken by Kṛṣṇa. So you cannot make any addition, alteration. You must take it as it is. Then you get the right knowledge. Vedas, how... The example is given. Perhaps you know several times that the Vedas, how it should be accepted as it is without interpretation. Just like Vedas says that if you touch stool, immediately you have to take your bath. You have become impure. This is Vedic injunction. If you touch bone, then you have become impure. You have to take your bath immediately, full. Then Vedas say, "Now, the stool of cow is pure, cow dung." Now, with your reason you can say, "First of all you said that stool is impure, and as soon as you touch you must take your bathing. Otherwise you remain impure. So another stool, cow stool, you say pure? This is contradiction. You say that the bone is impure, and you are keeping the bone in the Deity's room?" The conchshell is bone. You know this conchshell is a bone of an animal. So it is being used in the Deity room, and the cow dung is also used in the Deity room. Even Kṛṣṇa is smearing His whole body with cow dung. You know Kṛṣṇa's līlā. So if you say, argue, with your poor knowledge, then it becomes contradiction. One stool is good; another stool is bad. But because it is said by the Vedas, you have to accept it. This is Vedic knowledge. You cannot argue. There is no scope of argument. Whatever is said, you have to accept. Otherwise how Vedas become authority? You can change in your own way. So therefore we say that if you want to take benefit by reading Bhagavad-gītā, then you should accept it as it is said. Don't try to interpret foolishly. Then you will never get the benefit. That is our propaganda. And people are very against us: "No, I am a scholar. I am a philosopher. I can interpret in a way." We say, "No, sir, you cannot do that." This is our propaganda. Veda-praṇihito dharmaḥ." - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.1.37 - San Francisco, July 19, 1975)

[@MillieKrishna]

There is no question of making any changes to His Divine Grace's books. They have to pay for this. Krishna never forgives those who offend His pure devotees.

[@TheVedicStudent]

He said "sufficient transparency" bull$hit! BBTi isn't the BBT 1972.

[@mandarsahastrabuddhe8251]

Seems that you are a scholar & seen the whole working of BBT since 1972

[@ISKCONHISTORY]

@@mandarsahastrabuddhe8251 Drinking the cool aid is fun try it!

[@LEWISEINHORN]

I would like to share with you that Srila Prabhupada referred to the 1972 MacMillan edition of the Bhagavad-gita As It Is as the "revised and enlarged edition." I am of the opinion that the modern BBT has misapplied the phrase "revised and enlarged" to the 1983 edition. We should honor Srila Prabhupada's description of his Gita. Another question I believe you did not address is whether scholars like yourself will recommend annotating revisions made to Srila Prabhupada's books, particularly to the MacMillan Bhagavad-gita. Would that not be the scholarly approach when the author is not present to give his final approval?

[@LEWISEINHORN]

Did Srila Prabhupada really agree there was a need to introduce thousands of revisions to his books and that it could be done after he had left this world? Please consider that many hundreds of scholars and professors had lavished praise upon his writings. His prolific output was even mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannica, that he has astonished the academic world with his literary achievement. You would be hard-pressed to come up with a single letter from any significant academician (outside of ISKCON) praising the 1983 BBT revised edition of the Bhagavad-gita. Is it possible that Srila Prabhupada did not consider the undertaking to revise his books a worthwhile endeavor because he would want to have the power to approve or disapprove of all changes made to his already published works?

[@lalitasakhie]

Hare Krishna all All glories to srila prabhupada Not a single word of srila prabhupada books should be changed. No one can make such a decision to do so Stop the envy for srilaprabhupada

[@sacisuta9246]

They say, "as it was", Srila Prabhupada says, "as it is". That is a perfect example, how you are being forced to say "as it was" because you could not keep it simply "as it is"...

[@edvinchandra1277]

He is not mentioning the major changes in today's books ..just typo and English language error which was already edited and corrected by Srila Prabupada.

[@niksasrsen]

Please, can you give an example (or few of them) of a major change. Thank you.

[@edvinchandra1277]

@@niksasrsen it is completely changed, the front cover picture, the missing guru prampara pictures to unnecessary word replacement in the translation and purports. You need to get a copy of the original books and the changed ones, and I guarantee you after looking/reading it and comparing with the changed or edited books you will feel the difference.

[@andresalazar2745]

@@edvinchandra1277if you read the article no more cattle raising in the planet of the trees you see both edits hand in hand along with Prabhupada’s original transcript. Then you will understand what is closer to what Prabhupada wanted.

[@nevilmoncher925]

Whoever prints changed books of Shrila Prabhupada should be taken to court

[@mandarsahastrabuddhe8251]

I think so before commenting on anything we need to read all letters and personal conversations available so that we can really say SP not said to correct mistakes in his books.... I don't think so schloraly group of ISKCON devotees unnecessary invest their time in correcting books unless SP himself says

[@lordkrishnasparadise6754]

This is pure blasphemy, you dont change spiritual masters books. People think they are intelligent than guru and krishna. Rubbish!

[@edvinchandra1277]

Okay, so they edited the books even Srila Prabupadas presence, which Srila Prabupada was not happy about. We can clearly see that after Srila Prabupada's departure not only the words and sentences were edited but the pictures and front cover of Srila Prabupada books were changed. The speaker in this video is lying because the BBT was changed, the case is about BBT and change in ownership was filed in India. The changes after 1978 is not Srila Prabupada's books. Be careful because ISKCON was over taken by fake gurus to replace Srila Prabupada. It better to read the first published books.

[@TheVedicStudent]

The BBTi is a fake concoction, it was not created or established by Srila Prabhupada the founder Acharya of ISKCON, the original BBT was established in 1972. The original BBT is an irrevocable trust. The BBTi is a fake California Corporation, established after the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada. Everything the BBTi does is a scam. It's a great spiritual crime which they are engaged in and implicating others in the crimes of scamming the innocent. For example I establish a irrevocable trust in 1972, some idiots come and hijack it and create a fake entity called BBTi and run it as the original 1972 trust. Totally illegal and a crime.

[@truthseekerdiggingdeeper234]

They are still flogging this horse. If you make changes to an original publication then you must foot note and state the change is different than the original and why. You can not change the authors words then claim him as the author of the adulterated version. That is a crime. This went on in the Christian religion also. Changing, adding, altering, manipulating, justifying etc. When will these fools learn?

[@Meenadevidasi]

It's all one. 😐

[@divyadas6153]

I'm amazed that so many devotees here believe that somehow or other Srila Prabhupada's books are changed after 1978. What actually happen is that original editors themselves did a lot of unauthorised changes (Hayagriva left out Prabhupada's comment on hair and beard to be tamasic) and mistakes (infamous "planet of the trees"). At least Jayadvaita Swami's Gita 2nd edition is much closer to original since he added things from original Srila Prabhupada's manuscript left out by others. And after all you want to say that I came and wasted 30 years in Krsna consciousness because of reading wrong Bahagavad gita? Come on give me a break!