As Teslas Age | Gruber Motors

Tesla’s are really the first mass produced Electric Vehicles, now aged 14 years.
Starting with the Tesla Roadster released in 2008, we began servicing these vehicles in 2012, and have begun to observe and document aging issues.
This tracking of failure events allows us to do trend analysis, applying this data to not only predict Tesla Roadster issues, but translate and forecast how the next generation Tesla vehicles will age.
In this video, we explore the evolution of Tesla vehicles, what unites them, what separates them, and what Tesla has learned to make the future generation of vehicles even better.
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[@rickbartley9255]

One of the best technical summary videos on the web. Well done.

[@sBonny_]

I Agree

[@tom3holer]

Thank you VERY informative video

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

anything is possible when you have an endless supply of welfare money

[@deanfielding4411]

@@MyNameIsChristBringsASword What on earth are you on about?

[@MyNameIsChristBringsASword]

@@deanfielding4411 Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit.

[@Anttsony]

After browsing these comments, everything I had to say was said many times over. Never seen this channel before. I really appreciate how direct and clear your speech is, I literally recall everything you mentioned in these 14 minutes. It wasn't just talk either, you're there on the scene surrounded by the hardware, shairing data worth more than solid gold. Super cool sir.

[@DrHavok1]

Same here.

[@tvviewer4500]

It is a tesla commercial...

[@NoMoYOUsernames]

@@tvviewer4500 Well that's incorrect. Gruber Motor Company is independent and owned by Pete Gruber. There are many random brand specialist shops out there, but just because they specialize in Ferraris for example, I easily understand that I'm not talking to Ferrari when I call them.

[@tvviewer4500]

@@NoMoYOUsernames you might not be smart enough to get things

[@BlakeCheck]

One of the best summaries of Tesla's history I've seen. Great insight into what to expect as Teslas age. Makes me feel a lot better about my used model s!

[@mattfrench884]

I would 100% trust this guy with my car. Very well spoken. And obviously knows his business. Much Success.

[@nathansloan8532]

Extremely well put-together video. Seamless transitions and constant movement to keep the viewer engaged. I'm guessing you're reading from a prompter (hence the sunglasses) but it's a nice solution to make sure your presentations is clean and easy to follow from start to finish. Compliments to the production team.

[@popcappsproductions]

Came here to say this. You've got a great production team and editor - very well put together video

[@ELP1125]

Geez, come up for air 😂

[@sebastianbucur5135]

The sound quality is impeccable!

[@thehuman3077]

I'm amazing at the sound leveling across different scenes and must have been different times of day

[@betterlifeexe4378]

Strong deductive reasoning, although I could see myself justifying the sunglasses just to prove that knowing what your talking about is badass. Especially if I could pull it off as well as this guy does. Also, he also likely memorizes at least some lines where there is too great a distance between subject and camera for most teleprompters to work. if it's just flashing 1-3 words, that can be hard to sound natural like he does. Those are the ones that work from a great enough distance for that exterior downward yaw shot for instance. Important to note, while at times he looks off frame, there are significant periods where he does not. While I did not have the best lighting conditions, I looked for a sideways reflection of a teleprompter and saw none. Some teleprompters are fairly low light though, and hiding it in the shadow may have been sufficient.

[@candlemedia]

*I'm not sure if it was planned* but your speed of communication and walk thru of garage was very well conducted. I greatly appreciated your calm tone rather the screamer or overly excited as seen in other hosts. _Hats off to the Camera person you did banger of a job_ ☺️🌟 📸

[@michaelbujaki2462]

I also dislike those people that speak too slowly.

[@kingarthurthe5th]

Yeah, those give me a headache after a while

[@mh13mini]

@@michaelbujaki2462 *video speed set to 1.25% speed*

[@michaelbujaki2462]

@@mh13mini I actually set it to 2x speed in some cases.

[@grantadamson3478]

I found it far better at 1.5 x. Otherwise it was just a painfully slow advert for Gruber.

[@Vreejack]

No hype. Straightforward. Balanced. informative and insightful. I so wish every video were like this one.

[@keilder8543]

Fascinating! Answers the obvious question of concern to all Tesla owners and would be owners. Restoring a failing battery pack seems like a better solution than simply laying out $25,000 for a brand new pack.

[@sandyt4343]

It’s really good to see someone who knows exactly what he’s talking about and just gives you the true story about that subject. This is a great example

[@sbrazenor2]

The best review of a car you can get comes from an honest mechanic. Salesmen wouldn't tell the truth and car reviewers usually look at new cars or quirky cars, but they don't consider the long-term ownership. For those of us who prefer buying a car once a decade (or less), we want to have some confidence that it won't become an expensive basket case within that time. I'd rather, in fact, be able to sell or give away a car with a lot of life left in it - so the next owner doesn't get burned on it. I would feel bad selling a car that's near the end of life on a $20K component. (Even $5k is outside a lot of people's means.)

[@rosenfeldclaudia]

So he has no intrest ........🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@christhepk1407]

No hype. Just facts. Delivered with professionalism and poise. Well done.

[@TheKaiTetley]

It’s a rare thing on KZbin

[@user-zt4ry9hm9u]

Camera work is pretty bad tho, constantly panning, moving, pointless shots of teddy bears in cars.

[@jimmyneutron5679]

@@user-zt4ry9hm9u lies

[@davidhollenshead4892]

"no hype" ??? He failed to mention some major issues with: Tesla policies, Tesla's delayed and overpriced parts costs, Rising Tesla insurance costs, Legal Issues with Telsa, etc.

[@cassiuskinkade]

@@davidhollenshead4892 oh and they are being produced out of circus tents in the back of a plant from 1962. I was very surprised to see the reality of Tesla when I first showed up at the facility in Fremont. The place is a complete crap show

[@PMitchell106]

Speech clarity and cadence are refined to the level of a Ted talk. Really nicely done, practically professorial.

[@Baamthe25th]

Ted Talk are mostly fluff. This is way better.

[@PMitchell106]

@@Baamthe25th Only intended to comment on delivery; content is a separate issue 👍🏻

[@Baamthe25th]

@@PMitchell106 Well, the Ted delivery is a way to hide a lack of content, tbh. So the to ideas are linked

[@PMitchell106]

@@Baamthe25th k 👍🏻

[@whalercumming9911]

Clear. No urge to buy the product but this is perfection. Only engineers could have produced this work of art.

[@user-ho1hw7ps4v]

you mean this youtube video?

[@whalercumming9911]

@@user-ho1hw7ps4v script

[@isaac198428]

Bro! The best video in recent times about a car brand pros and cons. Not like typical KZbin reviewers who give us their opinions and most no facts or if any, biased especially due to censorship or sponsorship. I know more about electric car batteries now than I did yesterday. Thank you!

[@noelgibson5956]

I have no idea what he's on about......but he does narrate in a calm and rational way😃👍

[@redguard2529]

Wow! Clear, calm, factual. What a refreshing change.

[@AllFather-TheStoicGod]

If nothing else you've got to respect the microphone he's using. Crisp, no background noise in the shop. 👍🏼🔥💯

[@horus6939]

Articulate, tact, succinct, quality, knowledge. One of the best presentations about Tesla I have seen on KZbin.

[@EmilKlingberg]

This was a master class video, writing, directing, acting, camera work, all at top tier lvl

[@josecandelario284]

When Mr. Gruber said “is inevitable” with those glasses on, I immediately transported myself to the Matrix! My favorite line in the movie!

[@Oldandbold57]

Thank you so much for this very enlightening video. I hope i never need your services but its comforting to know your there.

[@jakecheck3225]

The Paul Harrel of Cars. The best way to summarize this new prevailing approach to demonstration and educational material.

[@benjaminbutcher]

I really like this guy. He has really honest vibes.

[@mr.nonamanadus4463]

Very solid presentation on Tesla components and on Gruber technical expertise. A ➕ score.

[@MaxMakerChannel]

Why is Pete Gruber dressed up as Jessy Pinkman? Jokes aside, its a great video and well narrated.

[@scottfranco1962]

Don't annoy him or he will come and cap your a%%.

[@RJ_Groot]

I came to the comments just for this.

[@TrueBlueEG8]

Science bitchhhh🤷

[@machytka]

I thing he is/was ill, maybe that's why this disguise.

[@neptunemike]

Yo yo yo Mr.White

[@Wrangler-fp4ei]

This is the most informative and detailed video on arguably biggest issues Tesla, nevermind future EVs face. Thank you for making this video and good luck to your company.

[@chiefdenis]

Love this guy's demeanor, he could tell me anything and I'll listen

[@akennedystocks]

Only two words: Confidence & Smart!

[@Pho8os]

Hands down the most knowledgeable video on Tesla ownership and more importantly your transparency. Thank you.

[@raceymountain]

As a gen 1 MX owner, I want to thank you for all your hard work, planning, tracking, and analyzing that you put into these vehicles. I used to dream my son will one day become an engineer for somewhere like Tesla, now, I think, why not somewhere like here; who restores and honors these historic vehicles? I'm so sorry for your recent loss, but I know you will rebuild and move forward with this challenge. You all are an inspiration to me.

[@sjvtesla]

Thank you for all that you do, as 2013 85kwh Model S owner with an original battery and 130k miles, I think if I have issues I'll come to you

[@gggfff685]

This man is a great speaker. I immediately subscribed

[@albinb.g.gulich9818]

We need a Gruber Company in Europe.

[@moestrei]

And Australia, please.

[@harmhoeks5996]

I know in Netherlands there are speciality third party repair shops. I'm not sure if they can repair battery packs though.

[@Hyrppa95]

@Kannon Valentino You mean you brute forced a password in under 15 minutes?

[@TheFalconerNZ]

Add New Zealand to that list and the idea of owning a 2nd hand Tesla is sounding pretty good.

[@Rick9482]

I enjoyed this informative video. I'm now subscribed!

[@eirjordan337]

This is mandatory content for someone considering to buy a used Tesla 👍

[@minivanmaster]

People like you will be important in the next 10 years when EVs start to become everywhere. Battery cell remanufacturing is critical for the EV movement. Research and videos like these are necessary to help maintain EV longevity

[@louisvl10]

Dropping some hard knowledge amassed over the years, really appreciated

[@aussietaipan8700]

Excellent video and very informative. I wish we had a company like yours in Australia.

[@Geto-Dac]

You put this in such a way that if I was tesla I would reach out to you, no doubt. I hope they do! Great video, great job you are doing with your company.

[@joshuacarroll7046]

I wish this dude would narrate every instructional video in existence

[@emoto3070]

I'll pay $5000 to be one of your first students in your tesla tech school. Beautiful company thank you.

[@luckyeagle7789]

Great Teacher... thank you!

[@jacob-josephheroux1469]

Is it me or is this guy just COOL?

[@sydjaguar]

The depth and detail was amazing. Almost like a science class!

[@ModernNeandertal]

I'm not a big Tesla fan but sure found this video very watchable. Well done.

[@cliffjones6924]

Thank you for this well produced and informative video. One of the best I've seen.

[@grubermotorcompany]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheRealLink]

Subbed off the bat from this! Great quality, excellent presentation. Zero fluff or even slick intros, just straight facts and explanation! It'll be neat to see how these and other electric cars handle aging, as you said. Hopefully, gracefully.

[@joshuathomas3230]

Thank you very much for your improvement and helping make better the situation of our EV´s! Thats great!

[@jaybee3165]

watch & learn gentlemen... this is what the mechanic shop of the future looks like.

[@gregyoungman]

The guy literally said these cars are unfinished and not designed well. What are you talking about

[@tylerzorn6152]

I can't really say or add anything that hasn't already been said very well spoken very well directed and absolutely 100% correct and to the point very very well done thank you

[@MLFranklin]

Fascinating, logical, and clear.

[@j.kearney484]

For me not being too knowledgeable about EVs, this was really easy to understand and ckearly explained, nice!

[@bensynewsshoedown4999]

I'm so glad and relieved Pete Gruber, that your company is predictively analyzing and servicing the Tesla Roadster and mass production Teslas. Yesterday on a run I imagined what would a 20yr old Tesla be doing?

[@G1OCK22]

I don't have a Tesla but can still appreciate all your research! Really makes me reconsider my stance on buying a Tesla

[@shekharmoona544]

I could listen to this man on a Netflix documentary.

[@daniel1RM]

Why not yt documentary?

[@ghq8982]

@@daniel1RM bcoz he gay af

[@davidrose6919]

Good information. Much appreciated.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

I can spend $5,000 to have my battery repaired, or I can just buy a used 2008 V6 Camry for $6,000 and drive it for another 10 years.

[@anthonyprice5596]

Why would anyone want a battery car? I look at the complexity and feel sick. If it goes wrong your at their mercy, you can't beat a carburettor and points ignition for simplicity.

[@homeistheearth]

@@anthonyprice5596 i think its really just something else, not complicated if you learn, that 2008 camry dont use carburettors and points either and heavily rely on computers and sensors too, in which Companys like Renault i like is holding their computer communicators to them self with rediculous prices for the ordinary fixer.

[@user-ho1hw7ps4v]

@@anthonyprice5596 I personnally wont risk getting locking in a burning battery fire. I still feel like I have a place in this world. Some are dumb and unsuspecting, others just want to die, so they drive a Tesla.

[@jscheel66]

I drive a S type 2017 with 85K miles . No problems at this point. Thank you very much for this video..

[@krassy13]

Amazing video, I can't wait to see more content in the same format. I am amazed at how engaging and informative the video was, you always keep it on point and moving through topics fast in order to keep audience engaged. No weird transitions or cheesy comments and intros. I really loved this video and I am excited to see more. Keep up the great work and you will see your channel grow to millions of subscribers! You just added one new subscriber :D

[@tresbb03]

I see a big future for this company.

[@mrboojay]

Everyone else has said it but i want to say it again. This was extremely well done and put together, looks great, great transitions, great informations and hits just about any question i had about the batteries and their repairability. I was engaged the whole time, just very well done!

[@mikescott3641]

Intelligent man there, well spoken, calm and well put together informative vid..tks!

[@ElMacho0423]

I’m in awe with your video quality and professionalism!

[@t.w.3]

Really nice video. My Model S P85 is outside warranty, but the car is so well made it doesn't make me worried. Now that we have companies like Gruber Motor Company and others there will be much more demand for used electric vehicles. Where I live, there are about 22% electric vehicles, and the number is rising every month.

[@xxportalxx.]

Yeah this was one of my initial reactions to the new tesla design, they now plan to integrate the pack into the damn frame! Talk about insane from a serviceability standpoint.

[@psolyga]

Am I the only one finding this video addressed for Tesla’s executives? Smells like the invitation to cooperate on a maintenance chain :) Great video btw!

[@kreimerreason]

Watching this has instilled a greater faith in the future of electric vehicles. It is comforting to see the network of EV support unfolding. Look forward to seeing more.

[@leehillaby1706]

Now more charging stations please.

[@Andy47357]

the only limiting factor is cost for owning and repairing. you’re forgetting about the poverty problem in relationship to the expense of evs

[@elmarko9051]

Except Tesla is openly hostile to 'independent' shops. Ask the guy who runs the very popular Tesla repair site on KZbin about having his fast charging disabled for an 'unauthorized' repair. The EV future looks good, the Tesla EV future, not so much.

[@Andy47357]

@@elmarko9051 how does it look good especially since you have to consider that most americans can’t afford to buy a car newer than 10-20 years old. I have yet to see a 10 year old EV with less issues than a 65 year old bell air that has no engine. you have decades before we have EVs replacing Gas for passenger cars and I doubt it against trucks especially off road and hunting rig trucks and semis will never go EV because you still have Peterbilt’s made in the 70’s with a million miles on them, Name a EV that has even done a quarter of that and still has 95% battery health

[@coolstuff8925]

Another excellent video packed with useful and knowledgeable expert advice. Practical and visionary all in one. Thank you.

[@oingpla]

The audio on this channel is amazing!

[@Lupinicus1664]

Outstanding video. Packed with information. Please keep it up !

[@zevi]

I'm looking forward to seeing battery pack repair options as the growing number of Teslas on the road begin to age. Battery repair is going to be crucial for the used EV market to be sustainable.

[@teropiispala2576]

If there are just a failure in electric cirquit or few damaged cells, the battery can be repaired. That is not going to be very common. Typically cells age evenly especially when temperature management is good. The daisy chain failure which was mentioned in the video means that practically all cells have aged into level where they can't operate properly. When used right, a pack can withstand a lots of miles especially if they are driven over short period of time. If the car is closing 20 year age, it becomes more important what have been average charge level or temperature during the storage. Batteries like to be in 50% charge level and stored in a cool place. Hot is generally bad since it accelerates unwanted chemical reactions.

[@TaiwanBobby]

Nah, think realistically. They'll just be selling you a new car 10 years from now

[@mykelove1968]

Watching this video makes me drool on those Roadsters. I want one.

[@swhitman6]

love this channel...thank you for your content. I just bought a 2013 Model S P85+ and I'm hopeful for a long ownership :-)

[@essentialoilsme]

Awesome! How many miles are on it? I have a 2014 Model S P85+ with 120K miles and I’m hoping I don’t have any battery issues until 300-400K miles. I had to replace the MCU2 for $2700 and the taillight for $250. At least I know where to send my Tesla when I have battery issues!

[@andyrbush]

At last a proper technical and extremely well presented commentary about electric vehicles. Thank you.

[@asommer518]

That was simply an outstanding presentation.

[@raymondbarry9425]

I wish 🇬🇧 U.K. had this guy. Train me up and I’ll set up shop here 🇬🇧

[@huskypup3489]

Good video. I believe Tesla battery packs will only become more difficult to repair in the newer models. Like Apple has done with its batteries, Tesla is moving toward tighter integration of the battery with the rest of the vehicle in order to improve range and reduce initial cost, with repairability sacrificed in the process. I foresee many of these packs ending up being shipped to third world countries where 12 year old boys will pick through them and harvest the recyclable materials. Not good.

[@jims8887]

I agree it depends on Tesla's management goals, how long a life expectancy the vehicle should have, versus the customer having to buy a new one. So yeah, greed will create disposable cars. Maybe the factory will offer a recycling program.

[@Nicksperiments]

It depends what angle they want to play. I think their main goal is to reduce defective cells in the first place rather than needing a battery replacement. But I think if EVs are going to become sustainable, the only way is if the batteries are easily replaceable. Luckily Elon is a bit more in touch with the user than Apple CEOs so I think once EV’s start to really become common, this will happen

[@alexd302]

Am I the only one who when seeing the mega-castings and structural battery packs - thinking how will you be able to replace the battery pack if & when?

[@chrishaps6846]

Great presentation !

[@-Atmos1]

Mechanics of the future ... now . Well done .

[@princeofdenmark9142]

Also, best video I've seen, no bs, great, straight to the point.

[@Diode5]

If this video highlights one thing, there is almost no private EV servicing/engineering shops out there. Certainly a big opportunity to be a pioneer. Secondly also shows how quickly EV's will depreciate towards the end of the battery pack life. The lifespan of battery packs will probably set the depreciation rate.

[@user-ho1hw7ps4v]

and faster depreciation, means lower price new... means lower margins (and they're already selling the cars at major loss)

[@davidstowe5652]

Great job and good luck 👍

[@StephenPace1]

Great job on this one! (And very relevant to me since I have a 2012 Model S.)

[@thefisherking78]

Hi, so do I. Doing ok?

[@StephenPace1]

@@thefisherking78 Yep, still working great.

[@robertpsotka3525]

Sell Mortimer Sell

[@eastmanresearch3143]

Hi Stephen, how many drive units have you gone through since it was new, and is it a performance model w/ the large rear drive unit?

[@StephenPace1]

@@eastmanresearch3143 Standard motor. I had it replaced once under warranty (it worked fine, but made more noise than I wanted). It is only the size of a watermelon and only took about 3 hours to swap.

[@desertflyer5123]

Excellent discussion.

[@gazorbo.]

6:21 - "The Roadster was originally a niche market. There are only 2400 of them around the planet" CORRECTION ! There are about 2399 on the planet and 1 around the planet :D

[@warrensteel9954]

True^^

[@redbaron6805]

Correction: The one is not around the planet, it is heading towards Mars right now. It is actually not in orbit around Earth.

[@gazorbo.]

@@redbaron6805 Correction : the Roadster is in a heliocentric orbit that crosses the orbit of Mars and reaches a distance of 1.66 au from the Sun. With an inclination of roughly 1 degree to the ecliptic plane, compared to Mars' 1.85° inclination, this trajectory by design cannot intercept Mars, so the car will neither fly by Mars nor enter an orbit around Mars. It eventually comes back close to Earth's orbit. Overall the Roadster's orbit is around the orbit of the Earth, therefore it is around Earth.

[@redbaron6805]

@@gazorbo. Typically, we don't refer to objects being in orbit around earth when they have a large orbit which spans Mars and other planets.

[@gazorbo.]

@@redbaron6805 I never said "in orbit around Earth", I just said "1 around the planet" which is completely correct.

[@paulc2674]

Fantastic Video way to innovate!!!

[@gs2cool]

Excellent and impressive insight. Thank you!

[@calvinwr]

This is great information about cost of the battery

[@blackmanops3749]

Great video. My only disagreement is with the assertion there are fewer parts. There are not. There are probably hundreds of thousands of more parts. The issue is that they are entoumbed in extremely expensive modules that are under Tesla's lock and key.

[@jonathan4199129]

The most informative video I've seen in years my respect sir

[@Davidchendavid]

Wow, every word was precise! Excellent presentation

[@callmeishmael7452]

The writing and narrative density of facts are superb sir. This is your field of play. Thank you for cutting out the fluff and drama music.

[@thebauminater]

Great insight into this technology. Thank you for sharing!

[@cervelo9465]

Very professional, knowledgeable and professional. One of the best and most worthwhile videos on KZbin. Gruber motor company has secured its future for 100 years. Gruber motors should become an official partner / official third party service and batter centre for Tesla motor. Like Mr Gruber says, Tesla must not end up with a global reputation that their cars are throw away , or their cars are defunct after 8-10 years.

[@gavin7miller]

This guy is Scotty Kilmer’s EV alter ego

[@christiangundesen2228]

Great video,good explanation and videos to match

[@Samuel-ym7ls]

I have a 2018 Model 3 Performance. I plan to keep it until I die and in the family after. I will reach out, if/when I need to replace/update the battery.

[@jbrandonf]

Same here. I just got mine last July and I plan on passing it to my son who was born a few months ago.

[@user-ho1hw7ps4v]

@X Y usually the cars are pretty compacts after a couple years, when they melt on the roadside.

[@NukkaLips]

Great information. Thank you

[@AdventuresInTheSky]

Awesome info. $5000 vs $20K

[@TD_YT066]

How long do you expect a $5k repair to last vs a $20K new pack? If the cells start wearing out, might as well replace the whole pack, the labor to take it our, fix a few cells and put it back is probably 80% of the cost. Once you hit the back end of the the 'bathtub curve' , it's over for that whole pack.

[@SurmaSampo]

@@TD_YT066 I expect that refurb to last maybe 2-3 years and 20,000-30,000km before it needs to be done again and the same again before full replacement. At that point the customer would be paying the price of a new compact car to keep their 15 year old tired worn out car running.

[@0hypnotoad0]

Good on you guys for making sure these cars have a second life. If Tesla is not equipped to do battery restorations, hopefully they begin to do outsourcing and referrals to authorized third parties to fix and refurbish batteries, it could be a good cottage industry for a lot of the technicians who will be put out of work in the ICE vehicle sector. This expands beyond Tesla, as VW, Hyundai, GM, etc will also need to have businesses equipped to repair batteries.

[@EugeneLambert]

Very interesting, and thanks. My low mileage UK Roadster has never had a PEM clean, but has been serviced by Tesla a few times, so hopefully they at least clean out all the forced air system. Roll on having a facility like yours in the UK or the EU.

[@grubermotorcompany]

This is a list of Annual Roadster services we perform. We have updated the Tesla Service Centers with this recommended list as well. grubermotors.com/services/roadster-annual-maintenance-service/

[@nrs6956]

Excellent presentation. Thank you.