Tesla Model S | Battery Upgrades | Gruber Motors

In this video, we explore Tesla main battery replacement options for the Model S.
Tesla was kind enough to provide us information regarding the technical considerations, and limitations for pack swaps and upgrades. This information presented is important to guide and set parameters for independent swap efforts to avoid safety and performance concerns.
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[@Doctorbasss]

I am amazed on how clear and easy to understand he can explain! By explaining this way he can reach very large crowd. Excellent!

[@marcoaurelio6941]

i must agree with you, being non-primary english language, this video is very entuative

[@USNEM]

So this is where Cypher went after going back into the Matrix.

[@tntmartin]

LOL

[@Phat737]

Gruber has gotten ahead of the curve on this service and the technology to make it affordable. I see big things in your future. You’ve earned it.

[@thesilverspanch]

I love these videos. When the model 3 starts getting out of warranty this company is going to see a huge spike in work orders. Would love to hear about model 3 battery upgrade options!

[@krisvandermeulen253]

That is important news to a lot of model S owners

[@MrSupergee]

Another excellent video. Would be nice down the road to install a 90 pack into my 70

[@darkenergy5686]

My Model S 70 wants to be a Model S 90 some day.

[@jozefroman2110]

I got a 70D would be nice to have a 90D one day...

[@theadventureinsider]

You should upgrade to the new 4860 when available, while it is a structural pack, that is mainly on the component itself and should still be able to fit into the bottom of your car.

[@LydieCakes]

@@theadventureinsider Fingers crossed. Battery envy is the only thing I have for the new chars.

[@TheZxManiac]

I have a bigger issue, my model 3LR thinks it should transforms into a P100D

[@TheOzman99]

As a fresh electrical engineering graduate, I feel I would learn so much just by working at Gruber.

[@munashenyandebvu2152]

Me too

[@asalamalecom]

Absolutely love these videos. Love the product knowledge I’m gaining from them 👍🏻👍🏻 keep em coming

[@CagrTunca]

I'm not even a Tesla owner but videos are so informative and pleasant to watch. Thanks! I hope Gruber Motor Company's business will succeed exponantially.

[@tonyperotti9212]

Thanks, these are great videos! Informative and entertaining. I'm a new Tesla owner and I'm learning so much by watching your videos.

[@rudranauth.persaud6248]

I really like listening to your explanation on how the Tesla works and what to look out for. I do own a model S.

[@radovanskokan7853]

Awesome! Keep clarifying what Tesla refuses to tell us or what’s unknown 👌🏼

[@user-tz9ue3ui4h]

Excellent and informative presentation. I plan on keeping my 6 1/2 years MS 90D, well into the foreseeable future, it is a classic. Factory-built to order with $25K in options, most options no longer available. This video put my mind at ease re future drive replacement considerations.

[@randygreen7871]

EXCELLENT video, priceless information! Thank you so much for sharing!

[@In2oil2]

Excellent information and how the information is delivered is very professional. Huge Fan. love the videos. I am an owner of a model 3 performance more videos of battery upgrades potential and degradation would be great. Cheers

[@sveip]

No Model S 40's were delivered with 40kWh batteries, they were all SW limited 60 kWh packs.

[@AirmanJH]

I would love to see you detail the process you use to find a parasitic cell.

[@rajushah8251]

I love the information you have provided. I love to get my 2018 ModelX 75D battery pack change to a higher range battery pack, will be a blessing on road!,, thanks a billion

[@HelmutTschemernjak]

Great video, thank you for explaining all the backgrounds of the Model S cars and battery packs. Warm regards from Hannover/Germany.

[@theonlymadmac4771]

Thank you for another interesting feature!

[@adobinson]

Thanks for the video. Very interesting and great news that Tesla are providing the option of battery upgrades. There’s now the possibility of a longer life for my 2014 MS60

[@PhantomTD]

Thank you for a great video, it is good to know that it is possible to both replace and upgrade the battery of my 75D!

[@BobDickinsonAZ]

Thank you Steve Gruber!

[@sparkfire1223]

Great video ! Holding out for a better cell with lighter weight to come out when my s needs a pack

[@armanddesarrierespays719]

So well explained as always Mr. Gruber! Very informative video on why you can't upgrade to 100 kWh from smaller sizes.

[@canceledcomedy967]

You're amazing and I am so glad someone cares about Tesla owners. I'm definitely upgrading to 90kw with GRUBER for less when its time down the line. Great knowledge:). $14k plus 2k install is a great price compared to 20-23k. Glad enthusiasts pushed Tesla to lower their price on batts.

[@toofast4radar]

Great video. It would be cool to see a high mileage Model S that you give a full refresh to and document the process such as cleaning/maintenance on the drivetrain, going through wear items to bring it back to close-to-new condition. It would also be cool to see putting next gen seats in an older car, if that's possible.

[@grubermotorcompany]

We are listening, and adding new videos based on feedback like this. Thank you - Pete

[@maxencesimonart4302]

Bjorn Nyland (a yt channel) has bought back his 7 yo Model S and is, like you want to see, getting it back to its new state.

[@thirsty3333]

I really appreciate this video I needed this information worried about what happens when my car is out of warranty completely. Glad to know I have other options and can upgrade my battery 🔋 though not a big bump but as we all know those few miles make a difference when you need them currently I’m riding on P85D whenever battery goes ill take a 90kw battery

[@gofastnotnow2546]

Thank you for the video, just what I wanted to know. I did inquire at a service center if they were upgradable, service guy simply smiled and said "Tesla wants you to buy a new car."

[@grubermotorcompany]

He will probably go through customer service retraining.

[@whatislove127]

About a year ago I subscribed to Munro yt, look at where that account is now. I am feeling similar vibes subscribing to your channel guys, keep up the good work! thank you

[@PhxElecAuto]

The roadster just had it's 15 year anniversary now in 2023. Most batteries are still very good.

[@sridharpitchai5828]

Super informative. Thanks!

[@AirmanJH]

Love your videos! Not sure about the black on black attire though. 😉 Keep the content coming.

[@masonshucart7055]

Hey look it's a brown Model S! I have a brown one too and I rarely see them even here in San Diego. I love how rare they are (even though people say they are cheaper).

[@alejandroguerrero9202]

Great news specially for 100D and P100D owners, by the time the actual batteries die the replacement cost will be way less and all the maintenance saved will definitely worth, also less drama with motors, for some a great design car and in my case P100D a lot of time all the way along. It has been 6 years since I bough mine, initially 330mi, today’s date 288mi and 49k miles in the odometer. I have no problem in 12 years replacing the battery and still driving the same luxurious and quick Tesla. Full charge at night and can drive the entire week.

[@djnavari]

Excellent technical detail

[@johnfruh]

Hi, Pete. What are your thoughts on using "end of life" Model S packs as power walls? When it comes time for me to upgrade to a newer pack for my 2016 P90D, I would like to use the old pack as stationary storage for my house. It seems to me that this sort of 2nd life for the pack would be ideal.Is this at all feasible? What are the cons of such an idea?

[@ntmoucn]

Very informative, thanks for this video! Would those replacement 90 packs expected to be brand new or refurbished? Did they also say something about charging speed improvements over old packs?

[@dougmccuskerpoker]

Was recently quoted a 85 kw battery replacement of 12.5k out the door from tesla

[@SmartMart1658]

Great info for any Tesla enthusiast or wanna be Tesla owner like me.

[@blueracer66]

Perfect explanation at an excellent voice speed.

[@LydieCakes]

This was such a nicely done video. Excellent explanation and super super informative. Tesla has now "done away with" pack sizes and now just have LR & LR+. Will those be able to retrofit into older Tesla's that have say a 75 or 85. Etc? How does the new packs compare and differ? I have an 85D and drive well pasty battery limit everyday. When my batteries finally die, I am hoping to retro 9n a LR+ battery. A girl can dream, right??

[@josank]

A question for the near future. I have a late 2018 MS P100D. If the battery was to replaced, do you think that using 4680 cells would be possible? No idea how many things that would impact in the 2018 design. But if it can be done, even if it's 50% the cost of a replacement 100 kwh pack, that would be a great option. Love to hear your thoughts on this. Maybe not enough info right now. But, when the time is right, looking forward to seeing an analysis. And obviously this would apply M3 and Y owners.

[@vincentdeleonjr1039]

many thanks

[@rayheatley9910]

We have the 2018 Tesla MS 100D and it has been reliable until yesterday. I was driving from San Francisco to San Diego. I stopped near Bakersfield to charge the car to about 270 miles. We started down freeway 5 and I got a warning that I needed to charge the car and to pull over to the side of the road. I was lucky we were not hit by other traffic as it was about ten am. We had to wait for about two hours for Geico to send us a tow truck. Tesla in Bakersfield told us that the main battery needed to be replaced. Worse case it may take seven weeks to get it done. The battery is still under warranty so that helps. They provided a model 3 to continue our trip home. I had to learn how to drive this M3 as it does not operate like the MS does. I have to say it rides ok, but I like my MS. Tesla Workers at the Bakersfield location are very nice. Our Model S did not give us any indication in the days leading up to this battery failure. Has anyone else had something like this happen to them? Are the batteries installed in the newer cars better? Thanks for the video.

[@vincentdeleonjr1039]

great content thank you you are a credit to the EV community

[@FranCarreira]

Are you planning to operate in Europe? I wish you were nearer, or at least someone like you, with your passion and your clear way to explain things.

[@stanleybarreto9740]

Your videos are very informative and super appreciated for EV enthusiasts like myself.. from prior comments I see you do have long term plans to expand. However, what about training programs or parternerships with garages you train and feel comfortable doing so with?

[@johndoe-ek1qs]

I am very curious about if there's any information currently available on upgrading a 100d pack to even higher levels. I read somewhere that if the cells currently used in model 3 were inserted into a model S pack, it would increase battery capacity by 50%.

[@owenbenito]

January 2024: 85Kw battery (remanufactured) price from Tesla in LA: $16K after tax

[@felixcretu4993]

Could you do a video on swapping a 100D to P100D with the rear performance unit?

[@bilboriches7216]

I like how you explain. Like a bored dad.

[@stianjohansen9281]

Good, informative video for all batterydoubters 👍👍

[@brionlumley5353]

Thank you for easy to understand explanations of the Tesla battery pack. I have a 2013 Model S 7:13 7:13 85 and I am starting to be concerned about battery life span and replacement cost. The fact that prices may be reduced will stop me brion selling my car prematurely.

[@Movie16Master]

Thank you for the video. I have a LR Model Y and have been hearing a lot about sodium batteries lately. I've been wondering if it would be possible to upgrade in the future once my current battery becomes dated. I never thought of the weight difference until your video.

[@patkoss1945]

Very informative. Thinking about getting back into Tesla's with a high mileage S as a second car.

[@jonathansage2147]

I don't need your services yet, but man I wish you were closer to me for the future. Hopefully other independent shops take up this calling.

[@andrewlynham606]

Great video, thanks.

[@UTArch1]

My hope is that my 2013 S85 battery will last until the new higher performance batteries (ie. 4680) enter the marketplace and I can replace it with the new/superior battery technology (yes, I am THAT happy with my S -- it's simply the best car I have ever owned). Do you think that will happen?

[@blackheart7459]

Great info and much appreciated! I do have a situation that has given me some pause with Gruber's info. I'm looking at a S90d that was fitted with a 100d, after the 90 pack failed. I hear that is a 100 pack with 2 modules removed, giving it 288 range instead of the original 330. Is this correct? The software shows it is now identified as a 100d vehicle.

[@vonconley6779]

How does the new structural battery pack impact the repairs? It seems individual components will not be replaceable.

[@garvinlee1698]

If you upgrade the 85d battery does the free supercharging stick with the car? Or does that disappear with a battery upgrade?

[@dad1974]

If I upgrade my 60 kwh to 90 kwh, do I continue to get the free lifetime supercharging that came with the car in 2013? Thanks.

[@MarioGonzalez-zo8lc]

Mr Gruber, great information. I ask, if I heard correctly, there are battery pack with “empty penthouses”? I have a 75D Model X; can I add to those empty areas? Increasing my range from my current 200 miles?

[@lewisjasper2626]

extremely informative video but i do have a question, i see on the model s 60 there is 2 less batteries in the pent house, however can you not add 2 more modules into the penthouse which would then make it the equivalent to the 85?? is this an option?

[@hrhkee]

Sir thank you for what you do. When I upgrade my cars battery, I plan to have your company do it. Stay in business.

[@EVtripper]

You are awesome. I would love to upgrade my 70d to a 90d! Is the NEW 90KW packs an LFP chemistry?

[@mikesmith1702]

great video.... can you share examples of customers who bring S & X or Y and 3s in for service to Gruber?

[@ackerrj]

Well done: Useful information, clearly and concisely presented. I am still waiting to electrify transportation. Batteries, biggest problem. Cost and limited life. Any information on the practicality/cost of graphene batteries? I understand life there might be 50 - 100 yrs.

[@ramshambo2001]

Wow great presentation 👏

[@luissarti4227]

Great videos gents! In regards to the model S. When the battery pack is repaired by a service center as Gruber. Do I lose the life time free charging I currently have?

[@x-boss-hoss-xlg4567]

Great video!!! 👌🏽 My 2017 needs better range 😅

[@russbrasher7797]

Can you upgrade a Tesla Model S 85D to increase the charging speed? Even with a little battery degradation, the range is still acceptable. But the time spent at the supercharger is miserable. My wife's 2022 M3LR charges *so* fast (at V3 chargers). Even though it has longer range, we really don't stop any more often than in our MS. But the quicker charge times make a huge difference on a several-hundred-mile trip. There was some kind of charging upgrade available when we got the MS that was supposed to decrease charging times. Maybe that option can be retrofitted? Thanks!

[@adesuasido]

Any info on Model X battery upgrade? Is the 100 kWh pack also discouraged due to weight?

[@amartart]

will you provide the new 46 80 batteries in replacement battery upgrades to older tesla models?

[@claudioporto5926]

Hi, is it possible to add modules in the penthouse of a 2018 Model S 75D?

[@cwoble]

Hello do you know if this can be done in Europe as well ? is there firmware upgrades necessary ? if so you will have to do it through tesla I guess ? or could I buy a pack from a crashed 90D Tesla and put it under my 70D ? Do you get again 8 years of warranty on the new pack ?

[@erickayson588]

If I upgrade battery, would I lose my free supercharging?

[@Esteve212]

i wanna know also anyone??

[@theadventureinsider]

I don’t think so, people have gotten warranty upgrades from 85 to 90 and no mention of losing any benefits

[@kens97sto171]

I would doubt it. If Tesla did it then it was a covered repair that you paid for. I believe this free supercharging follows the vehicle. If you have the battery repair or improvement done by a third party organization I'm not even sure your car is going to realize that it was done. So I again suspect it won't matter.

[@kingofl337]

I'd love to hear about upgrading a Model 3 Midrange battery to Long Range. As the number of used salvage long-range Model 3 / Y batteries is going to make this feasible. Also, a 3rd party has said replacing single modules or removing single cells on the S/X pack will cause failure in a short time. What kind of data do you have on that?

[@richardwilkinson8542]

Does an upgrade from battery pack increase the performance or just the drivable miles? I.e., 85 battery with 4.9 seconds to 60 upgraded to a 90 battery increase the 0-60 time?

[@kevind2760]

Great channel.

[@theronerd]

Do you have plans on upgrading a current 18650 to the new, when released, 9860 batteries? I have a P100D and would be really interested in switching to the new battery cell type.

[@Top12Boardsport]

When you upgrade from a old 60kW to new 90 kW what charging speed will you get ? The first charging curve when the car was new is not the same today. The question is will a new battery get a updated charging curve?

[@cupiddesamour3120]

Great information

[@peterbland7227]

At the newer lower pricing for a full replacement, the $14,000 fee seems better than multiple $5k repairs over time. Of course this depends on how long one plans on keeping the vehicle.

[@jamespash4059]

What about newer cells with higher energy density? Could they be used to avoid the extra weight? Also new more efficient motors. It's a shame if the the Model S body which is solid aluminum and will never rust couldn't be retrofitted with the latest technology.

[@NoMoYOUsernames]

Very informative video, thank you! A good explanation of the reasons why you can't upgrade to the 100 kWh battery pack in all the previous versions of Model S. Thumbs up!

[@moestrei]

Top information, amazing to learn about the extreme level of fine tuning in cabin crash protection. So I guess in carrying a spare wheel in the frunk of my P85+ jepodizes all that fine tuning and makes the vehicle less safe. US$16k doesn't sound too bad but it will be double (In AU$) here in Australia.

[@LabelsandLove]

I carry a spare in my frunk too.

[@chanmeas1822]

Any future videos to address uneven tire treading and how to fix it beyond an all wheel alignment? I'm burning through tires way too quickly on 21" rims. 245 35 21 tire size.

[@SuperBrianGames1]

Well I’m going on 2 years with my Model 3 which has a 75kWh battery pack. Plan to keep it for a long time.

[@Top12Boardsport]

Be so sure. Our three Model S cars are from 2014 and 2015 with 300.000 km on each. Charging speed much slower at SuC but batteries only dropped like 10%. degradation should slow down with time so maybe 80% left after 20 years and still enough for our every day commute.

[@vigdisasbjornsen5239]

Would be interesting to know what the typical repair on an older Model S battery is - if it is cells that fail, or if it is other components connected within the battery structure like cables or circuit boards

[@NicholasLittlejohn]

Hearing something about a water leakage defect on the forums

[@rodmarshall7456]

Hello PHX, AZ, do your company provide installation?

[@xavierhernandez8647]

Is there any software/programming necessary after module swap installation ? Or is it plug and play ?Please and thank you

[@DIYBiotech]

Why can't you add connection to external battery packs at the rapid splitter? Or add a 400V DC charge to the same area? Then maybe the car could charge stationary or while driving. The regenerative braking does this anyway!

[@143Garage]

I’m trying to figure out the Battery Module Layout on mine. Module 10 on mine has given up. 2012 S P85

[@marks8609]

Great video. Don’t think you covered how the 100 pack is structured and how they get the extra capacity compared to 90. Also, the battery packs have a letter suffix that seems to indicate battery pack version; e.g. I have MX 100 ‘E’ pack. What is difference between E, F, G, H? Some of the range increases seem to be linked to battery pack version?

[@heins4745]

they put it under your butt in the rear seats so it doubles as seat warmers

[@GustavoM90]

I have a rear wheel drive 2014 model s 85…will upgrading to 90kwh battery make my Tesla faster from 0-60 and quarter mile?

[@p.albert2755]

Hello, did I understand correctly if I say, may be after 9 years of usage, I can change my old 75kWh Tesla Model S battery into a new 90 kWh battery taking fully benefit of the extra capacity? Can I do this at any Tesla SeC or have I to go to your shop?

[@ghosttesla]

Can you add a front motor to a Model S 85?