ASCASO Steel Duo PID V1 Review

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

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[@Tass...]

To help avoid confusion... This machine uses thermocoils. It does not use thrmojets like Breville machines use. Thermojets are cheap to manufacture, have a limited lifespan and can cause inconsistent temperatures especially when pulling more than one shot at a time. Thermocoils are VASTLY superiour. They have very long life expectancy, are extremely temperature accurate (within 0.5 degree) but are more expensive to manufacture. That's why they are only currently found on machines of this price and above. It's the same tech that Decent use in their machines. So yes, this is technically a "thermoblock" machine but do not confuse this with other thermoblock machines like the Breville's folks. They are entirely different beasts. Thermocoils are way better than traditional boiler machines too. Almost no heat up time, more accurate temperature, endless hot water/steam only limited by the water tanks capacity rather than a boilers capacity and much more energy efficient. Boilers are an antiquated technology. Thermocoils are the future for home espresso machines. (boiler machines do still have a place in the commercial enviroment for practicicality purposes tho)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Tass! Thanks very much for that info. I have spent some time scouring the internet, looking for reports on thermojets vs thermocoils. I was not really successful. What I did find, is that thermoblocks used to be two pieces, which needed to be assembled together, and the newer type of thermoblock uses coils. I am pretty sure that most modern machines like the Dedica use thermocoils in their systems. But Ascaso may have found a way to make it even more stable, either through thermal design, or just via PID. That I am not sure, since I did not open up this particular machine (I did long ago open up an older Ascaso boiler machine). Anyway, check out this video from Gail, where she exhibits the old block type, and newer coil type. Is that what you mean? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWiciqeafrejiLc

[@CarlosVargas-js8qz]

Wow great info. Source ? I too did not find much info on this. I have a Breville Barista and just ordered the Steel DUO expected to ship later this month or early December. I’m told I’m getting the V2 with upgraded steaming power. Steaming knob on the side. I can’t wait to put my hands on that beauty!

[@harrycecan9855]

@@aaronc3032agree fully

[@kunalmishra9463]

This comment needs a source to have any measure of credibility. It makes sweeping statements, but provides no data beyond anecdote

[@Tamimzzz]

​@Carlos Vargas how are you finding the machine?

[@dekdelacruz]

The review was very helpful, straight forward, and relaxed. I felt that the Tom was credible and he has ample knowledge of the product. In turn, I can easily related to him as I'm also looking for my next coffee machine.

[@steph8408]

Thanks for the review Tom. I've had my eye on this machine for a while now and in particular the late 2022 upgraded model with the added steam knob which apparently improves the steaming process with no initial steam delay and no initial dribbles from the steam wand. It was mentioned to me that the new model has dual PID? Also important to me is the very quick warm up time and I have been told that all you need to do is after a 5 minute warm up just give the group a good flush to bring it up to temp before you pull a shot. No need to wait 30 mins for the group to catch up. Lastly, is the high quality of materials used including the water tubing inside the thermoblocks which is all stainless steel. At the moment I'm still searching for any real negatives that I may have missed with the updated model before I make a purchase. Cheers from Australia.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Steph, from what I have seen, the newer model has better steam, and it is ready right away. The PID for the steam thermoblock can also be set up. Finally, the heat coils are made of stainless steel. I would still suggest letting the machine warm up with a Wifi timer, because just letting one shot through the PF will not thoroughly heat the PF. You'd have to do 2-3 empty shots in my opinion. You could alternatively use a bottomless PF, so that you don't have any mass besides the basket to warm up.

[@jackzhao8060]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner one of the things that concerns me is in your video you mentioned it takes 30 minutes to heat up with PF. I want it ready to go within 3min. if i use a bottomless PF can I do it faster? The main reason for me to consider this over a BDB is that thermoblock heats up faster

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@jackzhao8060 Hi Jack, I would for SURE recommend a bottomless. That way you are up and running in a few minutes. But if you want to use the standard PF, I would recommend either putting the machine on a wifi timer, or dunking the PF in a water kettle as it's heating, to speed things up.

[@PaulLemars01]

Nice review Tom. The issue with the Duo here in the USA (and by extension all other countries that use 110V for domestic electricity) is the 2100W power requirement of the Duo. Crappy USA wall circuits are effectively limited to 1500W. This machine was on my short list a year ago. It's well built, fast, looks stylish and undoubtably produces great espresso. However, power requirement was one of the reasons why I went with the La Spaziale Lucca A53. Although it too requires 2200W the machine alternates between boilers in 'eco mode' so the actual load is around 1200W. The Ascaso Steel Uno will run here but you have to switch modes to produce cappuccinos ect and I wanted a dual boiler machine. BTW you might consider a pleasant bell 'ting' sample for your pros/cons section.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Paul, thanks for your insights. I had the La Spazz Mini Vivaldi, which is similar to the USA versioned Lucca. They are really two different beasts, one with dual boilers, and the other with dual thermoblocks. I feel like the Ascaso is the more modern choice, with nice LEDs, a more ergonomic water tank, a nicer 58mm portafilter which is easier for finding accessories, and PID measurement at the grouphead. The La Spazz had that italian flair, and felt really well built. I think that would withstand the ages. Problem I had with the La Spazz was a lack of service and parts. Also, I could not steam well with it at all. The power was just too much, so I got either runny milk or milk that was too stiff. Anyway, too bad the US circuits cannot handle the 2k watts at once. The Ascaso is a nice choice. Btw, do you mean I should use an uplifting ding when listing off the pros at the end, or also the features? I am still playing around with editing. I forgot to list cons on the Ascaso...it takes too long to steam, and the PF takes a long time to warm up. It's also a bit loud. Otherwise, it is quite sweet. I think this would be a bestseller, if it could be had for $1k - 1.2k.

[@PaulLemars01]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner This is why this hobby of ours is so fun. I totally get your comments about the 'Spaz' and it's what endears me to it. Yes, the steamer is a monster but I suspect I don't have such high standards as you since I've never been a paid barista. I'm just an old technologist with a family who loves great coffee. It's a point of pride for me to steam a latte's worth of milk in the same time it takes to pull its shot and yes, I've had the odd pitcher eject its milk all over me and the counter before I got to grips with it. I know I'm really fortunate in that we have perfect water here in Seattle so my servicing is no more than replacing the portafilter gasket every six months or so (limescale? what's that?). Also I'm very handy with the wrenches so I relish doing my own work but after 12 months it's just not been necessary. I love the industrial design and the fact that to get into the guts of the machine is one bolt (I'm looking at you DeLonghi). A little tip on how to get your portafilter up to temp real fast. I have an electric kettle by the side of the Spaz for making americanos and tea. If I'm in a hurry I will drop the portafilter in the kettle while it's heating along with the Spaz first thing in the morning. The Spaz is pulling shots within 10 minutes of power on. It's important for all of us to find the equipment (toys) that makes us happy and you are doing a great job of informing people who are just starting out on this obsession we all love. And yes, an uplifting little bell ding would be nice. Not too loud, just enough for audible punctuation. You're doing great work Tom, keep it up.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@PaulLemars01 Thanks Paul for that feedback. That is a good idea to put the PF in the kettle - why hadn't I ever thought of that? I do agree that it is quite a fun hobby, and I like experimenting with different machines. I also like the resonance of the viewers and commenters here. That makes the whole thing a lot more fun. I found a few dings on artlist.io by the way, but not exactly what I was hoping to find. Do you know any sound engineers who wanna help? ;)

[@PaulLemars01]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner As I've related to my son, I've spent my life in the back of server cabinets, under desks and generally arms deep in all forms of tech. However sometimes the simplest solutions can be the best. I have a suspicion you're an iPhone kind of guy but even if you count yourself amongst us lowly Android peons you have all you need to make your own beautiful sound samples. Use your phone and it's amazing audio recorder. I just used my Galaxy S21 Ultra to record two delightful chimes by taking a steak knife from the kitchen, taking a very expensive Rogaska stem wine glass and inverting it and holding it over the phone and gently hitting it while recording the audio. It also works just as well although not as pure a tone with a Walmart box set glass. What I'm saying is chimes are easy just press record and hit things.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Paul, thanks I will give that a shot with the glasses. I have tried making my own sound effects before, but I find it hard to do so without reverberation. But, let me find a quiet dampened corner, and give it another shot. Cheers!

[@miracoffeeroasters]

Hi Tom, you are more than welcome! Always pumped to watch your video´s :) Especially on this one

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks very much Stefan. You were right, it’s a nice machine!

[@marc6652]

Very good description. Thanks a lot. It really makes me want this machine more than the Lelit Elisabeth I was considering before. It's quite expensive indeed. But you get what you pay for : ease of use, quickly hot, temperature at the brew group, volumetric distribution etc... And icing on the cake you can use all kind of coffee (even ESE pods).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You betcha, Marc! Yes it is a very nice machine. It feels more premium than a Lelit also. The only Lelit that makes be salivate is the Bianca. Try for the most current version of this machine though, with the improved steaming performance.

[@siptoolsnlife]

Thank you for this video!! I just became an owner of an Ascaso Steel DUO PID machine!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That is awesome! Enjoy this sweet machine!

[@nik0001-d6i]

Hi, how do you like it? do you have plugged to the 15 amps or the original 20 amps receptor?

[@siptoolsnlife]

@@nik0001-d6i I have an adapter that came with the machine for our electrical specs. For me, I like the machine very much!

[@abc-cl3rb]

great review there tom. keep it up

[@kanotrt]

great vid. Looks like a good machine. it's on my list. thank you.

[@Sergi0Contreras]

Hola Tom!! buen español!! jaja, thanks for your videos! You're great!!

[@montecristo1129]

Thanks for the review, Tom. I keep an eye on this machine to buy it or the Lelit Elizabeth, which is a very affordable dual boiler, with PID and a lot of customisable options as well. But of course, how it looks, is important as well. One of the factors which bother me at Ascaso is the steam pump with that knock-knock noise, whereas the other can just steam with no additional noise. And the Lelit is much cheaper. But IMO, the Ascasso looks better. So I'm on the edge. Thanks.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Yes that is a tough choice. The Elizabeth looks like a sweet deal for a 58mm dual boiler machine, with a pretty nice display, and a cool looking PF. I do feel like Lelit are a little more cheaply built though, but they have to hit the price point anyway. I don't mind the vib pump noise while steaming. I think you'd get used to it. Looks do play a large role...I bought some sweet looking speaker stands years ago that look awesome, and I am happy every time I see them. Cheers! Tom

[@rxonmymind8362]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gn2qepWfp5x5adk Something about the OPV Valve. Look at the seventh comment by seven0330. He laid it out pretty good better than I could. An answer to that was given below his comment.

[@azizba7130]

Did just great 👍 Two thumbs up 👍

[@AWanderingEye]

I have never heard of this brand so I am inclined to see what all they have on offer. The price is definitely more than I have spent annually for espressos at any time so I am gun shy, but I love all the features and performance. Definitely a contender if they have other items in the lower price range!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's a very nice machine. You might also consider the Steel Uno PID, which will be cheaper.

[@victorfernandezabarca7648]

Hello, I recently received mine and I wanted to ask you some questions. 1 Did you set the OPV to nine bars or do you reach it with coffee, grinding and tamper? 2) and one of the times when I brewed a coffee, upon reaching the pressure at which the coffee maker comes (11 bars), it began to make a very high-pitched screeching noise. Has it happened to you? The store where I bought the machine told me that it could be excessive pressure and I haven't really experienced it again but I'm new to coffee and I wanted an expert option.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The 9 bar OPV setting is a max that the circuit is allowed to produce. If you grind too fine, the OPV will bypass overpressured water back into the tank. But, if you grind less fine, you can get 9 bars or less based on the grind and puck prep. Cheers!

[@peterguirao]

Beautiful machine

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes indeed!

[@e91simon]

only part i didn’t like about the review was the shot duration because at that price point it should be able to be stable with a short shot duration like 23 seconds, i wish you would have gone for a longer test as they are thermoblocks

[@lusianadarmawan]

Hi Tom, do you have any tip for frothing milk using this machine? I tried for 1 month but still can't get the perfect milk.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I find the steam tip a bit bulbous, and yes it's slow. Just gotta keep practicing.

[@sharpedance]

Hi Tom, I am considering this machine, the Duo, vs the Uno. Because I don’t mind doing pulling espresso and frothing milk at separate times, I was going to choose the Uno. However, I read that the steaming is rather weak on the Uno. Is it stronger on the Duo? Do you know if both had the recent steam upgrade and does that mean they have the same steaming power? Thank you so much for your informative and enjoyable reviews!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! AFAIK you can tell the V1 and V2 apart, in that the V2 has a wooden knob to turn for steam on the right side. The V1 has no knob. Cheers!

[@chloewilson2619]

How did you set the machine up on the timer?

[@MrBlubb80]

Great review. Thanks. I think the price for the v2 is too high in comparison with other machines, but it is a desirable machine. What really puzzles me is the temperature offset. The offset of your thermometer measured at room temperature may differ from the one at 90°C. Have you checked, e. g. by measuring the temperature of boiling water?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there and thanks for your comment. Well, i know the steak thermometer is accurate, which was 2 degrees higher. But yes, it would be nice to calibrate the multimeter's thermometer. I also agree that the machine is both desirable, and carries a hefty price tag. Cheers!

[@jolkil]

Awesome overview! I recently got the UNO PID and I have issues getting to 9 Bar, it always goes up to 11 and extraction is bitter... I tried to adjust the OPV but if I move it lower than 11 it makes a high pitched noise, I see other users online having the same issue. Did you adjust the OPV at all? I see your shot runs at around 8-9 Bar. Thank you.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, I adjusted the OPV here on this video - worked like a charm. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqspXyDg9t4d7M Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@NelsonLara]

Thanks for another great review. One question: is there a way of checking what is the steam temperature while steaming or at any other point? Thanks in advanced for any info in that regard.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I am not sure about the steam temp. Maybe on the V2 model of this machine...?

[@NelsonLara]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for your response

[@DanFlynn]

Great video Tom! Have you done any testing to notice whether a bottomless porter filter takes less time to warm up?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes Dan, there is much less mass to heat up, so it is way quicker. I'd say 10 minutes is fine in that case, especially after having drawn a couple of blank shots.

[@andreiapeterwynne5203]

Hi Tom. For temperature offset which way do you set it. I mean if you find the machine is brewing too cold do you offset by going up. For example if you are set for 96C and find it’s brewing at 92C do you enter a value of +4. What do you do if it is running hot? Set for 96C but find it is running at 100C? Recent Reddit forum discussions are finding large amounts of offset are necessary. Thanks again!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Andreia, I set it at a positive offset to bring the measured temp up to the displayed. Thanks for watching and commenting! Tom

[@philindeblanc]

You could also run some water through to heat up the portafilter. This looks like a nice machine. I am looking at getting a new machine! Ouch, for that price and a bit more, I rather get a LaSpaziel V3 or a Astoria Gloria. But looks like a better performer and looker than a Nuovo Musica or Oscar.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I agree with you, the price is very high for this. It's a good performer, but you can get a La Spaz dual boiler for cheaper.

[@youtubeaccount7137]

​@TomsCoffeeCorner how much is the duo v2 now?

[@ValorantProVods1]

What would happen if I pull a shot with this machine before the group head fully warms up?

[@victorfernandezabarca7648]

I want to buy a good coffee machine, I'm thinking about the Ascaso Steel Duo Plus, the Rancilio Silvia X or the Profitec 500. Which of these could you recommend? I like the Ascaso because of how quickly the group warms up.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Of those, I am betting the Ascaso heats up the quickest. I'd say quality and haptics best on the Profitec. But I don't think you can go wrong with any of those.

[@victorfernandezabarca7648]

Thx, think ill go with the steel duo plus

[@CashWill_Trading]

When my current Breville finally gives up I’m almost certain that this will be my next purchase

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh, I think this will be real nice. 👍

[@TheGreatSantini500]

I had a Breville Infuser for 6 1/2 years before making the jump to the Steel Duo. I put a couple thousand expresso shots thru the Infuser before giving it to my son, and now he uses it. Point being, yours might never give up! Anyway, happy I made the jump.

[@woodyg-ug6dy]

Do you know when the new Steel Duo "Plus" will be available for purchase?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Do you mean the V2 version? It's already out.

[@aaronshepherd99]

Hi Tom, thanks this is the best review I’ve seen on the Ascaso Duo. I can’t decide between the Duo and the Diletta Mio. Espresso quality is really important to me as well as steaming capacity. I like the look of the Duo a lot more, but not sure if the Mio might pull a better shot. Any thoughts?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Aaron, The designs look very similar between these two machines. I have not tried the Mio. That being said, I think Ascaso is a somewhat more established brand, and the machine may therefore have better resale value, In case you decide to sell someday. I do also find the Duo The more handsome of the two machines. I imagine performance is going to be similar between the two models, but that is just an assumption. I think the advantage that the Duo has, is that it measures the temperature at the brew group for its PID. That’s a good thing. I am not sure if the Mio does that as well. Good luck with your choice! Tom

[@aaronshepherd99]

Thanks!

[@perldog07]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner a mio owner stated that it does not pre infuse.

[@perldog07]

So, if I had the steel duo and you had a Stilosa with a dimmer switch I would pray for drunk judges in the final round. 😂 It does look like a good value based on build quality. Without flow control a flair or Europiccola has the potential to best it, with practice. For me, the UNO would make more sense if it has a steam valve. De facto flow control 🙂 For many home baristas, this duo would be a prize. Partner acceptance is the coin of my realm as well. I see you are also a man of culture. 😂

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't know. The Flair is so difficult to get enough heat in the brewing process, since it's a passive machine, and the mass of the brew chamber sucks up the heat. Nice little machine otherwise. The La Pavoni is tough due to overheating. It is regulated by a pressure stat, so it must heat the water to above 100. The brew group also gets really hot, and it is easy to scald the beans. I think the Steel PID is the better choice.

[@perldog07]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner no question the steel duo is a premium choice. The other factor for me is the 'lectric in my 1948 shack. So the UNO is attractive on that score. Unfortunately some sneaky German presenter has me owning the Flair, GCP, Stilosa, and 2 Gevi coffee makers. 😂 If I got tired of the GCP, could see an UNO. With good wiring, the DUO. The weight to feature ratio looks great for small spaces.

[@perldog07]

The 58mm DUO machine offers a classic single dose, not the Flair signature. The DUO would cut bean cost in half with a good single basket.

[@mariusvuille6626]

Thanks for the great video. Since steam came fairly quickly after activating the switch I assume the thermoblock was heated up already. For someone drinking milk beverages only occasionally, is it possible to turn off the steam thermoblock altogether?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, that’s the 6th setting in the menu. But in that case, I’d probably recommend the Uni, which is cheaper. Cheers! Tom

[@mariusvuille6626]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Does the Uno have same/comparable thermo stability? And by any chance do you know how long the waiting time is from coffee temperature to steam temperature?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I have not tested the Uni, but I’m guessing from an engineering standpoint that it’s going to be the same kind of PID. That would also make assembly easier. But if anybody knows for sure, please comment here. As far as going from Espresso to steam mode, most thermal blocks normally need about 10 seconds or so.

[@fox_mulder24]

I don't know if I missed it, can you customize the pre-infuzion on the machine? Great video, thanks!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sure thing Vladi, I made a video with all the settings, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqspXyDg9t4d7M

[@fox_mulder24]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Awesome, thanks!!

[@kevinturchin]

Was that 16g dose in the supplied 14g portafilter basket? I just got this machine and I have noticed that the puck can be quite wet.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, I was using 16 grams. But it's also dependent on the roast, and therefore the density of the bean. Cheers!

[@JPC326]

Interresting machine !

[@aaronc3032]

It would be great to see more reviews on the ascaso baby t plus such little info on these machine overall

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Aaron! Well, if I can get my hands on one, I would be happy to do a review!

[@aaronc3032]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hopefully you manage to get one sometime soon. i will patiently wait :)

[@jakitaki3082]

Hi Tom is there any chance for Rancillo Silvia PRO X comparison?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi! That would be cool, but I don't have access to one. Maybe in the future....?

[@PetrKrenzelok]

What would be your selection between the Ascaso Duo (Plus) and Lelit Mara X (or Bianca)?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The Ascaso is a nice machine, but I am partial to Lelit (better price for what you get). Both good machines though.

[@youtubeaccount7137]

​@@TomsCoffeeCornerand quality wise?

[@tispokes1563]

It's the old version, not the 2022 upgraded one. Also you only need 6 to 8 minutes, not 30 to get ready.

[@andreiapeterwynne5203]

Hi Tom. I bought the ascaso steel duo and am in process of learning it. I have 2 questions how would I measure the temperature so as to know how to set the offset? The other is my pressure goes only to 6 Barr. If I want to brew at 9 Barr what should I do?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hello Andreia, well I measured the temp between the puck and the shower head with a flexible temperature probe lead, and multimeter. If you don't have something like that, it is not so easy to measure the temp. But you could adjust it to your taste. If the shots are coming out too cool, you could bump the offset a little. Maybe the best thing to do, if you are not satisfied with the default settings, is take the machine to a coffee machine tech, and have them measure it. But, I am thinking it is pretty good right out of the box. As for pressure, if you are only getting 6 bar, then either your grind could be too coarse, your beans too stale, OR perhaps your OPV is set too low. Check this out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqspXyDg9t4d7M

[@andreiapeterwynne5203]

Thanks for the response Tom. Will try your suggestions

[@TheGreatSantini500]

I've had a Steel Duo since December 2019. Love it. My advice: I program the water temp to 205 F (max) for my particular recipe, and max pre-infusion. Before you brew, run two shots of water through the head and into your cups to get everything hot. The bars and results you achieve are dependent upon the amount of water, fineness of the grind, the amount of coffee in the portafilter, the tamp pressure, and how long it takes to pull the shot. Over time you will get a feel for how to set up a preferred recipe. By that I mean, for example, whether you seek a ristretto vs espresso vs lungo. It takes some experimenting and a gram scale ideally to get this worked out properly. I like a double shot lungo (long expresso), which is a ratio of 1:3 to 1:4 coffee to water (ristretto is 1:1 to 1:2; expresso is 1:2 to 1:3). I like a lungo as it is so flavorful and is coffee to feel satisfied without drowning it in steamed milk. I programmed it for a double shot of water, 2 ozs (weight 30 grams/oz x 2 = 60 grams water). I can get approx 17 grams of coffee into the portafilter and not have coffee up against the shower screen, which equates to a 3.5:1 ratio. My grinder will drop that in 12.5 seconds, so that element is a constant. The key is consistency, whether it's grind or tamp. You want to pair this with a good grinder. I have a Baratza Vario grinder that enables me to make extremely fine adjustments, which is something necessary based on the beans as they sit in the hopper over the course of days. I don't use the provided tamp because while it's very nice, a manual tamp is not a precise process in terms of pressure applied each time. I bought a coffee distribution tool off of AMZ, which has the advantage of always being the same exact pressure, i.e., again, one less variable (Apexstone 58mm Coffee Distributor, $36). This really helped me alot. Knowing the tamp is the same every time means one can focus now on tweaking grind fineness with the goal of 9-11 bars with a drop time of approx 25 secs, give or take. As the beans sit in the hopper for days, I simply tweak the grinder a (fine) notch to keep the bars in range. It's like clockwork. Steaming-wise, get yourself a Thermoworks temp pen. Steam the milk to 140 F, optimal temp for sweetness. Use full-fat milk, don't mess with low fat, oat milk, etc - yuck). I estimate I am putting about 4 oz of steamed milk in, including art work. I like a lungo as it is so so flavorful and it is enough coffee to feel nicely satisfied without drowning it in steamed milk. Another tip, the stainless tray and heated stainless top are great, but put a paper towel down to protect it when putting cups on it because they will scratch and wear over time. Don’t run hard water through the machine. Ideally, soft / softened water, and even better, 5-stage reverse osmosis water, which is what I use. The lungos I am dropping are incredible. Sweet, balanced, tastes like hot chocolate, same every time. (Kicking Horse Organic - Three Sisters Medium Roast). My wife tells me every morning how much she enjoys her coffee!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@TheGreatSantini500 Thanks for sharing your experience, and all those great tips! If I get a Steel PID in my hands again, I will try them out.

[@kimbridge5592]

nice looking machine

[@avduarri]

Hi Tom, I see you use a 14oz pitcher. Could you point me out where to buy one? I just find 12 or 20oz pitchers. Thank you!

[@avduarri]

I mean buying in € in Europe.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Angel, I’m not sure which country you are in, but I would look for a 400 mL picture. That’s what I’m using.

[@martinkulik9466]

Tom which machine you use for yourself at home ? You sounded like it's that delonghi 3240?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, I use a bunch of machines, but the favorite right now is honestly the 3420.

[@brycecain4661]

Tom, How do you compare this to La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi ii? I know you have extensive experience and I'm between these two volumetric beasts. Thank you so much.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Bryce! Well, those are two entirely different beasts - dual thermoblock vs dual boilers. Spanish vs Italian design. Ascaso is smaller, while La Spaz even makes gastro machines. I would say however for the home user, that the Ascaso is nicer to use. I found the steam on the La Spaz unwieldy, so it was hard to get proper latte art for me. The shots were never perfect either. I did get better shots and milk foam on the Ascaso. You should however also consider spare part replacement. I tried calling La Spaz many times, and could not get through to them to get spare parts.

[@brycecain4661]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much! Appreciate your experience and sharing it with us.

[@Ao-n6d]

Does this one have the external adjustable OPV like the on the Ascaso Dream?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Heck yeah it does! I show it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqspXyDg9t4d7M

[@AverageReviewsYT]

Those product links don’t go to the product.. just a Amazon page for espressos

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for that! I changed the link to point to Ascaso Steel. Unfortunately however, Amazon in the US currently only has the Ascaso Steel Uno. But the link will point to the Duo as well, should it be offered in the future. Click on the German link to see the reviews and pricing there for the Duo model if you are curious. You should be able to switch the language to english there as well. Cheers! Tom

[@Anonymous-mf8ii]

If it’s really drawing 2000 watts, it will require a 20 amp plug and outlet in the US. Most kitchens here use 15 amp outlets.

[@painpeace3619]

Good video.

[@justinbouchard]

Looks great off the top. Also 500$ CAD cheaper than the breville dual boiler.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh, I would certainly recommend this over the BDB, especially if it’s cheaper. I say that after having seen the internals of both manufacturers before. Thanks for your comment. 👍🏻 Tom

[@justinbouchard]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Any chance you're going to review the smaller model that Ascaso sells?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@justinbouchard Haha, if I can get my hands on one. Currently, I do not have one to review. If anyone in Germany would like to send me one on loan, I would be happy to do it. Cheers!

[@emirhankank6649]

why do you recommend this over the bdb? bdb is a real dual boiler with powerfull steam. but it looks like ascasos steam is so weak

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@emirhankank6649 The new Ascaso V2 of this has better steam. I have heard of quality issues with the BDB, so I tend to recommend this over that.

[@LogenProof]

Is this the new version with the improved steaming?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, this one was bought just before that update.

[@SuperSecretJohn]

I'm not sure the steam wand is really purging automatically. I turn it on again for a couple seconds just in case.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi John, well I think you are right that the steam wand itself doesn't purge, like the Bambino Plus, but rather the thermoblock seems to get cooled down. Cheers!

[@painpeace3619]

Which one is a superior thermoblock or boiler?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, that’s really a matter of preference. For the longest time, the boiler was the superior technology, but thermoblocks, in particular in expensive models like the DE1 by decent, have caught up and sometimes surpassed conventional boilers.

[@TheGreatSantini500]

I had Breville Infuser w a single thermoblock for 6 1/2 years and the Steel Duo for over 3 years. The Ascaso heats to 205F in 1 min 42 seconds. Put the portafilter on, run a shot or two of water thru it, you are ready to rock. I get up very early and am out the door to the gym in 15 mins with a latte in hand. I'm not bothering w a timer, especially with the wattage involved.

[@willo7979]

Ascaso used to have 57mm basket that is not compatible with 58mm commonly used , not sure about this model.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi! I can confirm that this is 58mm. Cheers!

[@ВиталийБойко-з5й]

Basket maybe, but not a portafilter, this piece is 58mm

[@TheGreatSantini500]

Yes, I use a 58MM coffee distribution tool with my Steel Duo.

[@marcup1584]

Thanks for the video! I actually just ordered a Steel Uno here in USA! Can you confirm that the group head is heated on the Steel series? Coming from a Breville Bambino, that was my main issue with the machine, the group head and portafilter were way too cold (not to mention Breville's thermoblock seemed a bit underpowered there as well).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The Duo is for sure, and I am guessing that the Uno is the same. It also has a metal bayonet, so it should be heated.

[@marcup1584]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom, take care!

[@mjk2374]

I like the machine, but the steaming time seems long for a dedicated thermoblock.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there, you’re right about that. I specifically left the steam process unedited to show how long it takes. I would say it takes on V1 of this machine about 5 to 10 seconds longer than on the Dedica or the Bambino. Apparently, this process has been improved on the V2.

[@JavanNgLH]

Thank you for the in depth review of this machine! You have gained a new subscriber! I think what you pointed out about the price is really an important factor. For the price, I would consider a dual boiler machine like Lelit Elizabeth. For your video, I couldn't really see the pressure guage. Curious to know what pressure this machine runs at, or what the OPV is set at. Thanks again

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Javan! Please check this settings video, where I show how to set up the pressure of the OVP, there you will see the pressure guage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGqspXyDg9t4d7M Lelit makes a very economical machine as well. The looks are much different though. Cheers!

[@jimis3167]

Price?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

This is somewhere around 1800 euros, but I believe it is cheaper in North America.

[@JamesSmith-rf8wo]

I cannot believe the name 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

What do you mean? I think the joke is over my head. 🤷‍♂️

[@JamesSmith-rf8wo]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ascaso resembles "ascazo", which means "big disgust".

[@MrFredrictai]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner it means disgusting in spanish...and this is a spanish company ??

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@MrFredrictai Yes, a spanish company. From Barcelona.

[@peterguirao]

Ascazo no ascaso

[@marcusherts9345]

Looks impressive, lots of good features😃….& then you told us the price!🤦‍♂️☹️Nah..👎

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I know, it’s pretty pricey. Nice machine though…

[@bobok760]

omg 50sec to steam not so much amount of milk

[@unstanic]

Half an hour???

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Ideally

[@pulloverhoodlum1826]

​@@TomsCoffeeCornerCouldn't you also run some hot water through the portafilter while it's in the group, pull it out and wipe it, and while you are puck prepping it will come back to temp?

[@jimis3167]

Price?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

What market are you in?

[@jimis3167]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner European. I look for a machine at 100€ or cheaper, having a pressure gauge. Anything in mind?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Nothing name brand, I’m afraid. You could check Amazon though, or Ali baba.