Ascent Fusion vs VRD Carbon

[@scalebuildersguild]

So great to have a 100% repeatable course! Thanks so much for sharing!

[@huffingearoil]

I’ve got a carbon and love it but hats off to redcat, that’s a lot of performance for the money and a great rtr!

[@anthonyhart6723]

Bro you are a freaking driver man! One handed driving and being able to back of out those flips like that also while holding the camera, there isn't a better RC crawler KZbinr imo.

[@rcstumpjumpers2049]

Got my new Redcat today. First I widen +10mm both sides and change tires with 2stage foams and swampers soft as a bunny. Thanks for the great videos as always.

[@AlejandroRamirez-vl8mr]

Getting a Fusion soon and retiring my TRX4 for good sold!

[@flat-out]

😢

[@flat-out]

I'm still keeping my TRX-4 Defender(modified to a Jeep Rubicon) but I'll upgrade it with Fusion SE and some brass stuff at the front. I great Trail crawler for me with the Gen 8 Axe...I will get the Ascent as well because I sold my TRX-4 Sport with TRAXX - I don't recommend Traxx waste of money it just looks cool.

[@CajunManNick1980]

I want either one of these rigs, but I'm not ditching my TRX4. Too much sentimental value.

[@markcole6475]

I’m not a huge redcat fan but I can spot value when I see it. Nothing wrong with redcat but I just never got into that brand. They’ve really stepped it up with the best bang for the buck… I’d imagine you have double the money or more into the stance vs into the RC fusion. It would be super interesting to run these RTR crawlers box stock against each other.

[@rctd3260]

Redcat knows how to price their stuff.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Scares away all guys with deep pockets though 😂

[@rctd3260]

@@RcPlayer-tt2vw not me. Mine are shallow and empty

[@LeBlanc10]

ive been enjoying thses comparisons. im reading the comments and some people clearly have nothing better to do than to be negative . the redcat it an amazing deal all around. obviously i dont expect it to beat an upgraded ,servo on axle , 30+% over drive , wider srance, longer wheelbase car. but it did quite well for what it is .

[@darrylpaarman9100]

Does seem interesting that the comparisons are against fully molded competitors. Add a better servo,extend the wheel base, tune the shocks,hairbands, some weight, I think things would be very different 😉

[@paultro8457]

You've been pumping out the videos. 😎💪💪

[@ExocagedRC]

As always buddy

[@givemethetruth7232]

I have the vrd stance but I have to say the redcat is impressive maybe with a shock mod on the front and a little more brass it would be awesome

[@PaulSchryer]

(3:41) ...This is why the Gmade GS02F "is the best" ...period. 🤔 Opposite Rotation of the front vs. rear driveshafts !!!

[@RcCrawlerGuy]

Just an fyi- the ascent is 12.3 WB and the stance is a 12.67 WB

[@jasonridgeway4541]

You can see they are very different in wheel base lengths.

[@RcCrawlerGuy]

@@jasonridgeway4541 yup. He was saying they are the same.

[@flat-out]

VRD looks longer and even seems to have taller or longer shocks. Plus it's wider. Not a complete fair fight! Redcat can hold its head high and chin up it hanged with the best.

[@petejones6827]

@@flat-out for a rtr hell yea

[@mikemilitich5521]

Yup. I think the wheelbase had more to do with the crawling difference than the overdrive.

[@RDEnduro]

Hope your weekend is going well, its all snow here, your course is always cool

[@RC-jt2gx]

This is fun! Can't wait to see what you do with the Redcat.😃

[@ExocagedRC]

Not sure what there is to do with it lol its all there

[@RC-jt2gx]

Oh you'll come up with something to try. It did good against the Vanquish. Just look at the differences, and where it lacked in comparison, and go for it! These are the top 2 vehicles in the news right now. Too much fun to be had here!@@ExocagedRC

[@ryand4786]

I’m new to crawlers , heard great things about Vanquish , but the redcat is really impressive

[@creekcreeperrc7972]

They're all good these days super durable and reliable. Wouldn't recommend FMS but axial,redcat,vanquish, and element are all good. Traxxas is lame and I wouldn't recommend supporting them. Scx10 pro, vanquish vrd carbon, or the redcat acent fusion and are what you should pick from if you want to kill lines.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Exactly you’re doing a injustice to the hobby if you buy traxxas , they worked hard to stop the competition and value we have today

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

I know those brands are the best crawlers these days, but I’m not much of a crawler and I want the cross EMO tow truck 🛻. I think they are same as FMS . The FMS mini are great can’t knock them , 2 spd and the monster trucks were on point

[@ryand4786]

@@RcPlayer-tt2vw yeah I like the tow truck too, then I found out it’s $1000 in Canada . Maybe eventually,

[@mikerainey3847]

Hi Joe, do us a favor and give us a chart showing weight, ballance percentages, wheel base, width, type of inserts and any non visible differences on the fusion, Vrd and the stance.

[@ExocagedRC]

I did all that with the 18 crawler showdown, but I haven't weighed in the Fusion

[@mikerainey3847]

@ExocagedRC Yep, watched those. Just wondering what the weight and weight bias was on the Fusion campared to it's competition.

[@Schmidy76]

​@mikerainey3847 think it was on west desert wheelers vid(could be wrong) that showed the weight front to rear was 56/44 give or take a percentage if I member correctly for the fusion

[@stlrider4714]

Joe, love the line up of the shoot out!! The VRD Carbon is a fabulous setup. I noticed in our testing the Ascent, that rear tire lineup is critical. Ascent's geometry is little "different", but if you pay close attention to the Front & Rear lines and obstacle entry angles, the Ascent can pull off some impressive lines. Sometimes, it helps to line the rear slightly angled. For example, ensure the LR tire rolls up on the obstacle just prior to the RR. Helps especially if the Redcat's front shock are stock setup. Great work, Love the breakdown. 100 on your final thoughts.

[@rcilluminati26]

I think the internal shock springs on the front of the Ascent are holding it back. That said, it did pretty good against a truck that cost twice as much. It’s crazy to even say Redcat and Vanquish in the same sentence but here we are. Lol

[@johngookinsable]

Ive seen a couple of us stretch the ascent rear links by maybe 10 mm and made a huge difference just saying

[@ExocagedRC]

Like I did with the stance. Hmm

[@RickyD1968]

I think what is hurting the fusion a little it is a little taller than the stance plus the stance has 40% over drive and it is wider ???

[@shaynejenkins446]

Its the axles.

[@ExocagedRC]

Fusion does look taller but its also CMS as where the Carbon is SOA, big difference there in COG and all.

[@flat-out]

​@@ExocagedRC🙆‍♂️ what do those acronyms mean? I don't know the technicality terms in some RC, I just love driving them and occasional upgrades.

[@Cassienope]

​@@flat-outCMS - chassis mounted servo. SOA - servo on axle. COG - center of gravity.

[@RTmadnesstoo]

I looked to me like the Redcat could use a little more weight on the front to get it to 'settle' and maybe the old 'hairbands on the shocks' to get the front tires to grab. Don't know but that's what I'll try with mine in a couple days.

[@bobbymulwee7641]

Put the heavier brass from the blue Ascent on the Fusion and try the test again

[@flat-out]

But how much is the price difference?

[@gudmundursveinsson9060]

Good one. Crawler VS and tire test are the best

[@brianmorrison2846]

I love this kind of stuff 😊 The VRD absolutely kills my tough lines at home. I want the truck that can out perform a VRD😮

[@ExocagedRC]

Well that will require a lot of really good custom building

[@DTW-bx2vy]

Build a custom rig & get your wish, it is that simple.

[@c05sporty]

A good setup ecto will do that, mine eats my vrd for lunch

[@AnySumptionBanter]

you're talking then a fabricated rig using things like titanium. there are people who do this for a living and are the ones who win comps; it comes down to amazing geometry that can distribute weight properly inside the lines of the rig.

[@stlrider4714]

100% We just built a custom UGRC, front bias, built to suit, 12° skid. 1800kv outrunner, castle micro v2, HH direct power servo, 80mm well tuned F&R shocks, custom driveshafts, steel and titanium HC links, 25% Front OD, nestled in built, low clearance diff, axle housings on 850mah 3s. In our PoC testing, it's much more than most built RTRs can even dream to handle, the break over is insane..but it won't trail long..LOL

[@RC-Homesteaders]

Did you notice the 🦎 lizard as a cool little 😂 spectator at 7:54-8:08 in your awesome comparison video😊 I've got my Redcat Fusion on its way ❤

[@korearcexcavator8729]

한국에서 잘보고있습니다 얼마전에 vrd조립했는데 성능이 아주좋습니다

[@Toodles77]

Great video joe

[@whiskers762]

And that's how mini crawlers are made lmao 🤣🤣

[@saturnfivehynrgrc581]

Good video my friend. Like button energized.

[@The_Craw1space]

Can you please do an ascent fusion vs. element ecto video? I feel like they could be some great contenders! Thanks Joe

[@noz8437]

I think, on the "hook it" part, may the shock straps (Deez bands) help, right?

[@ka4172]

If i want to know how a Truck realy perform on the rocks or not i watch on this channel!

[@orjlan]

May I ask what color that VRD body is, sir.

[@1BARBAS]

Dear sir do you now the bd chassis ?

[@Rocklandingoffroad]

Keep in mind the vrd is not stock, it’s a builders kit. About 10mm longer 313 vs 322mm and more overdrive. Put the higher OD in the fusion and lengthen the wb and run it back lol stock to stock vrd doesn’t have much of a chance

[@jonnymilitia]

Does the vanquish have any overdrive by any chance

[@RockmanRC]

Thanks for the Video😊🎉🤙🏼

[@CertifiableRcAddict]

Do you run any internal springs on your front shocks?

[@CM-ig2pf]

👍😁😎✌️

[@donaldcarter1206]

I have an Ascent built to roughly the same specs and a VRD Carbon and they trade wins all day. The VRD feels more planted but the Ascent does better when dragging over obstacles. P.S., Never build carbon rails indoors even with filters..lol

[@danytremblay6168]

Hello Joe, how are you ? I love your videos :) I'm torn between the red cat ascent fusion and the vanquish stance or carbon vrd, money is no object here, I need a good performer :) What is your feeling about this ?

[@kennethmeyers5008]

Nice man

[@Slaters_RC]

Weight, wheelbase, overdrive all made a difference. Do a little work to the Redcat and it should be right on par with the carbo.

[@DTW-bx2vy]

Too bad there is no way possible to fix the improperly designed panhard bar design that causes bump steer on the Ascent 10 without Redcat revising the parts.

[@shaynejenkins446]

The axles are wonky as hell too.@@DTW-bx2vy

[@AnySumptionBanter]

did you notice that in many instances, when the wheels turn on the redcat, the balance throws the weight distribution off and down it goes while both vrds he had that didn't happen. Watch closely. Furthermore, watch the lines that were needed to make the fusion vs the vrds as they are different. Without forcing you to take a specific line like with gates, of course you can make it. Ascent is not a rig that was build with geometry and physics first, otherwise there wouldn't be bump steer and poor weight shift. watch how the weight moves on the rear tire and if it is pushing weight diagonally as well instead of just off the rails sort to speak.

[@ExocagedRC]

Keep in mind the Carbon is SOA as where the Fusion is in the chassis, thats a lot of what you're seeing when the turns are made. I prefer SOA on my trucks. As for suspension geometry, I do feel the Carbon has a much better design there.

[@PaulSchryer]

(6:13) ...Now this does show us who is "on top," but STILL... EVERYONE IGNORES WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR FACE. 😯

[@rcjoe406]

Wish the redcat came in just one more color option but maybe just me 😊

[@maxpane657]

The fcx10 and the redcat are priced the same. I can't decide which is a better bang for the buck. I don't know which one to buy.

[@Atlas_FPV]

Im really torn between getting an Ecto or an Ascent Fusion... The issue is I have to import the Redcat to the UK and any spares or parts would also have to be imported but I can get the Ecto off the shelf here. Tough decision!

[@ExocagedRC]

go with the Ecto, you'll love that one

[@Atlas_FPV]

@@ExocagedRC Thanks for the reply, I'm leaning that way too!

[@benjaminvaldez9466]

It is the tires bro😂

[@allyoucando8486]

6:12 something happens, and the Abcent wants a baby from Carbon. They want to have a Family 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DTW-bx2vy]

There will never be a carbon fiber frame for the Ascent 18 due to the way the frame rails are designed because of the frame rails taper in the front & rear. We might see aftermarket alumuinum chassis's but no carbon fiber & that kind of stinks in all honesty.

[@ExocagedRC]

Carbon can be molded, but flat carbon probably not

[@AlphaPhaseSleep]

red cat fusion has also the OD, just need to swap it ;)

[@thomasvanderpool4735]

I heard it came installed on the Fusion version already

[@OGRadGrow]

Nice 👍🏾💯

[@old-rcplane-phart]

👍😁

[@GoatneckRCC]

Also filming and driving one handed is added difficulty to all these comparisons!

[@ExocagedRC]

IDK man I comp one handed too lol

[@GoatneckRCC]

@@ExocagedRC it’s second nature for you and us content creators but the average crawlers might not see the talent there but I’m always watching the shadows…

[@creekcreeperrc7972]

I had to restrain myself from getting one of these fusions lol I don't need another comp style RC... I don't use everything i have as is..

[@ExocagedRC]

go for it, I only have about 20 now LOL

[@stickfurniture02]

Extra weight in the carbon with that servo.

[@ExocagedRC]

yep plus the heavy brass too

[@marcuslandry3804]

Crowley became difficult when you were only using 3S on the Carbon instead of the typical 4s

[@ExocagedRC]

Tire speed doesn't help on crowley, maybe a bounce at the end but most of the time the trucks bounce off when doing that.

[@DTW-bx2vy]

So you are saying, you rely on 4S batteries for wheel speed to slow crawl?

[@DTW-bx2vy]

That tells me your crawler has an awful settup if you need that much wheel speed just to climb.

[@shaynejenkins446]

Nobody is running 4s in their 1/10 crawlers. Only you are lol.

[@Miguel.herrera.71]

I don’t know if it hang w/da carbon… but not looking to good for the Redcat. Great video 💯

[@CHUDHUCKER]

What could $100 do for the Redcat?

[@ExocagedRC]

IDK man, different body? Heavy wheels?

[@CHUDHUCKER]

@@ExocagedRCI know that you probably know what to do? It's a tough decision for me, everything costs more here in Canada. So maybe Redcat, then later upgrade when more parts are available? I love that slow crawl though.

[@rokyota]

That was a forgone conclusion.

[@ExocagedRC]

Yeah but its interesting to see how close it can be

[@markwinter2111]

0* skid angle doesn’t do the ascent any favors in this comparison either.

[@nicholasstephey8475]

And let the comment race begin

[@ExocagedRC]

LOL

[@varmintsniper2551]

A lil more weight on the front…

[@danielbennettii2508]

I'm sure the b4ass had nothing to do with it either.

[@nickmyers5036]

Vanquish all day long

[@CertifiableRcAddict]

Sad these girls are scared of there pimps and unable to get a fresh start 😢

[@randypenning974]

I bet it would be a different story if servo was on axle on the redcat

[@eddiebrown192]

Comparing different modded vehicles is pointless . Apples to pineapples .

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Lol

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Everyone has specific comparison stipulations, isn’t it all setup driver and lines at this point. All on the same level to me look the 33% overdrive was the difference

[@CasperRc81]

Please post a video on what your kick back is to push this red cat. Explain the front end geometry as well please. Your first video against the VP was on awful VP tires but the red cat was on these tires not what came with the redcat…fishy not stock for stock. The worst tire on the best built crawler will not accelerate period and make the nice crawler look like junck( I have no VP vehicles) I understand it drives over stuff etc and I have a red cat marksman (shit box) myself but why will none of you explain the bs geometry except Crawler Canyon. This why I can’t imagine buying another red cat. Quit telling us this is a $400 ascent when right out of the gate you have these wheels and tires. If only a person watched your one video I explained earlier then your not leading with truth at all and your a product pusher. This sounds harsh but seriously Also the inserts don’t match each other in this video either. Who am I…a nobody.

[@AnySumptionBanter]

so I'm very negative to redcat because they cloned what people are doing and didn't provide anything new; the fusion is not an entry level rig to most newbies at that price point. But imagine having gates where you can't shuffle, where you have to take a line without choice.. If all new rtr rigs can kill your lines, then harder lines are needed...

[@ExocagedRC]

What did they clone, and how many different ways can you build a truck? I believe this is the first comp level brushless RTR we'be ever seen from anyone, thats not copying or cloning anyone.

[@AnySumptionBanter]

@@ExocagedRC so you think other brands will start following this model? That's what really needs to happen; get rid of brushed. the fusion motor/esc was a great leap progression in our hobby and if this rig is the catalyst for the rest, i'm all for it. otherwise, they just copied what most ascent og buyers did to their rigs by adding a fusion, but the og ascent you could do soa while on this one you cannot.

[@MrSmith223]

@@AnySumptionBanterhow is this bad? I think it’s great they put good electronics rather than that throw away crap.

[@AnySumptionBanter]

@@MrSmith223that's not a bad thing no. but very many ascent owners annoyed (i dont' own one) because they had just done that to theirs. However, if this makes other brands put better electronics in their new rtrs then that's saying something. i.e. fms with their fcx10 adding some additional features that other rtrs didn't come with; will that spur other brands to do the same? this would be progress for our hobby instead of just copying each other with a few little differences but not a true progressing. i define progression like the hw fusion motor/esc combo for example over other brushless and brushed motors.

[@jaysonrovers]

For $100 more you get a crawler that is considerably better. That’s nothing to pay for the more fun I’ll have with how the Stance produces out in the field.🤜🤛