A 2nd CANON R5 C Instead Of R5 II, C80, C400, Komodo X

I have owned a Canon R5 C for 2 years, paring it with my RED EPIC on many Productions. This is a deep dive pragmatic discussion about the reasoning I had to go with a second R5 C purchase instead of the new Canon R5 Mark II, Canon C80, Canon C400, or the RED Komodo X.
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[@TradeshowThomas]

agree with the points about client perception and camera body size. as soon as caleb showed those cineback designs i could understand that being one of the benefits.

[@danielbranam8503]

Long time Canon shooter here. Glad to have found your content as it's exactly the way I approach my camera evaluations. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

[@AshvonChamier]

Awesome man! Glad you came across it and good luck out there shooting.

[@carlosq00]

Dude I’m loving the B-Roll in your video

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks Carlos! I've been a fan and subscriber of your channel for a couple of years or now. Appreciate the comment buddy.

[@IamccsoOfficialpage]

I’m with you, r5c is a beast, the price should have stayed 5000 or 4plus because at that price it will still be crushing new models with features and simplicity! 8k and cfexpress card

[@AshvonChamier]

Couldn't agree with ya more!

[@scottievee7467]

I have the C400. So much about it I love. Until this camera dropped, and damn we all waited, I was a huge fan of the C70 minus the shape. I had a couple. I also was a fan of the R5c but no Clog2 unless you go 8k was a bit rough. But if I shot all of a video on the R5c with Clog3 and some work... it rocked. I couldn't get it to look right in 4k to match the C70. Anyway. The C400 is pretty badass. I use the 24-105 RF 2.8 on it. ZERO focus issues in all circumstances. It's gone. Point and aim... tight. I missed one shot on an event on a pan shot that a pole was in the middle and the focus jumped, only because the initial shot happened real fast and I wasn't locked on yet. I don't have an "Ash" crystal ball but I see a C400 or C80 in your future. Clearly you get the Canon color, function and ease of the product. BTW. Your images are awesome. Best forward.

[@AshvonChamier]

C400 w/ 24-105mm f/2.8 is a hell of setup. I could indeed see that being added to the arsenal in the future here. As far as the C80, I just don't think that one is on my radar cuz of the SD card only choice.

[@CringePanda]

I see Scottie commenting on every video I watch, so I know he has taste. 😁

[@scottievee7467]

@@CringePanda I just subbed. You're funny. And I like you're thinking... the free Speech stuff is spot on.

[@CringePanda]

@scottievee7467 see? I knew you had good taste! Thank you Scottie!

[@AntonKeith]

First time seeing your channel. I needed this as I’m on the fence on buying my next camera.

[@AshvonChamier]

Perfect. Hoped it assisted your exploration a bit buddy. Feel free to let me know what ya end up getting even if it is not one of these cameras. Soooo many great options out there including insane used deals on older cameras that you could still shoot Netflix movies on. LOL

[@movelarde7551]

Great video. Not buying a new camera but it is nice hearing that the R5C is till a beast.

[@sethcoogan]

Thanks for the awesome video Ash! As a fellow R5C shooter I've enjoyed your channel. Even with all the new tech I've also wondered if just getting a 2nd R5C was the right move. That's cool that you got Caleb's Cineback! I'd love to see how you use it and how you handle the micro-HDMI.

[@AshvonChamier]

Yeah, I didn't really expect to land on the buying decision being to just get another R5 C, but it really just made the most sense for me. I am excited about Caleb's Cineback being sold through Camera Foundry. I will definitely make a video on it after I have used it on a few more shoots and dialed in how I like it set up. So far, it is great though.

[@wadesweeney2200]

Just wanted to confirm the new lpe6p battery does greatly increase the runtimes by 50% It now makes the talk of battery life a non issue as the R5C now actually has longer runtime than the r5mkii . The lpe6p is honestly a game changer for the R5C.

[@AshvonChamier]

That is fantastic to hear! Okay, I might have to order a couple for my stealth mode filming or when hiking. Thanks for adding to the conversation dude!

[@JeffHanesworld]

Omg!!!! How are you getting such images on that camera honestly I haven’t seen anyone come close on KZbin!!! I would dare anyone to mention

[@AshvonChamier]

Hey, thanks a lot man! The RAW 8K is immensely powerful to toy around with in post production and was blown away the camera isn't more popular than has been this past couple of years.

[@TechEnthusiastInc]

100% with you! R5c is The Camera of the decade. I have 2 and considering of getting a 3rd. Not that I need one but I just want more. 😂 Sold my Komodo and while the image quality was insane, still couldn’t match R5c overall, it was actually not even close. I had a C80 in my cart already but cancelled it last minute. That SD. 🤦‍♂️ And also, no photos and bigger. Thank you for the video. Keep up the great work! 💪

[@AshvonChamier]

Ha! Nice. Thanks for sharing the Komodo and C80 experiences you went through. Honestly, it has been so nice filming with 2 of them... I already started thinking how I could incorporate a third that just lived on a gimbal. LOL. Who knows... maybe

[@JaredHoyman]

I was about to buy the R5c and then the r5ii was announced. I have been shooting with the r5 II since launch and where I thought clog2 would be my go to I find I’m shooting raw and 4k sRAW. I sold my r6 II and trying to decide if I get another r5 II or get a r5c. The rolling shutter is so controlled on the r5ii. Does the R5c offer 4k sRAW and/or standard picture profile in 10bit? These are features that make the r5ii special especially shooting in xf-hevc in longop. Excellent vid!

[@CartyCantDance]

Get another r5ii, you already know it and the IBIS/rolling shutter will be better

[@AshvonChamier]

The R5 C does not offer 4K sRAW. It offers 4K-XFAVC Intra and 6K RAW at a Super35 Crop. You can use a focal reducer on the 6K RAW Super 35mm to still achieve 6K Full Frame with the bonus having an additional stop of light... if you are using EF glass. You can film in LOG or BAKE in a LUT to your XF-AVC footage. Regrading the IBIS found in the R5 II vs the Digital IS found in the R5 C, the IBIS when using on a car mount system like I need to do, can cause a double stabilization wobble effect as the gimbal and the IBIS try to correct each other. For general handheld, the IBIS would most likely be favored. I have good results handheld with the R5C using Digital IS as long as the camera is rigged up with external battery so it is a bit heavier.

[@codythep]

Love your footage and way of explaining things! You seem very knowledgeable. Would you be willing out able to do a video on how you manage all of that data you’re chugging in 8k?

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks much man! Great idea! I'll put it on the list of videos to make upcoming. I have a couple of vids already made that offer a few specific tips on getting better performance on you computer when dealing with RAW footage or more complex edits. You might find these helpful in the meantime: SOLVED! Real-time playback of CANON RAW in Premiere Pro (Fixed My Issue) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_dlZmOnruMbsU Video Won't Export From Premiere Pro (The Beauty of Render Replace) kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3jGhmOgi8lqitU

[@juhlmediallc]

Awesome. I’m subscribing because I’m a R5c/c70 owner who edits and colors in premiere. Looking forward to more content. 👍🏽

[@AshvonChamier]

Great! Thanks and sure thing!

[@alfredknodler540]

Hey Ash, thats a great video indeed. And your capability to create pictures is outstanding. My big point about Canon R5C or R5ii is the viewfinder. As a TV-reporter I could not manage to work fluently in run-and-gun-situations with my C70 including the heavy rigged-up Zacuto viewfinder. This would not change if I got the C80 or even the C400. But you are right: the lack of oversampled 4k50 in the R5ii is a disappointment even it has image stabilization...

[@AshvonChamier]

Interesting and thanks for adding to the conversation! Just to point out, the R5 II offers IBIS, but the R5 C does have a pretty solid Image Stabilization when paired with an RF lens that has Image Stabilization. Somethin else I just started using that I will be doing a video on is THE SAAK. There are many brands of the concept, but it is just a padded bag that you hang around you that you place the camera on top of. It is so simple, so comfortable for long shoots, and has me going to by gimbal WAY less because of how good it works.

[@PiingpeiPictures]

Great video, I own a R5C too, Do you use any filter on your lens like mist filter? it looks so good

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks and great question. I use a B+W Vari ND filter 90% of the time and and a B+W Polarizer when filming lit studio shots of the cars to push around reflections. That it... but I do like adding DIFFUSION in post when color grading on a lot of shots. I use RED GIANT suite for that and stay in Premiere. A lot of the punch is how I work the amazingly juicy codecs the R5 C offers, with color grading.

[@PiingpeiPictures]

@@AshvonChamier will it be possible to make a video on how you processed 8K Raw from R5C and how you color grade?

[@CringePanda]

I have a C70 and my dad handed me down his F55 that shoots 4K RAW. I'd have to sell both to buy a C400. What do you suggest?

[@AshvonChamier]

A massive part of how I pull off my productions predominately solo relies on using 2... and even sometimes 4 cameras catching stuff. So while I am only manning one camera, the others are mounted on tripods, counters, etc.. When I do hire another shooter to accompany me for the day, I usually have them use my camera. This keeps my cost down and I know how to work with my cameras in post to match, even if different brands. You can totally get Sony and Canon to match very closely for most projects. It really depends on how you film but personally, I would keep what you got until you were at a point of being able to only let one of the cameras go. The F55 is SUPER LEGIT.

[@matt.banton]

Thank you! I stuck around to the end. Im debating the R5C amongst a few others. One question, do you know how reliable the is the autofocus in video with EF lenses? And do you lose autofocus in any of the high frame rates?

[@AshvonChamier]

Great, thanks! That auto focus has improved quite a bit over several firmware updates and I am very satisfied with it's performance. The RF glass does work the best BUT YES, I also Canon's adapters for EF glass with much success on some of my older EF lenses. Definitely a viable path. You will lose AUTO FOCUS at 8K 60p if you are only using the internal battery. If you use an external battery, you still have auto focus there.

[@matt.banton]

@@AshvonChamier Awesome, thanks for the info, thats super helpful :)

[@avx111]

This is I believe my next move, until I have a compelling enough reason to get a C400.

[@gusthecanonrebel]

Great video and my exact thought process 🔥 further more, I believe this reinforces the position the R5C has in the cinema line. Lots of people say the R5ii is the R5C replacement but it doesn’t even though it when it comes to video in my opinion for all the reasons mentioned. Strongly believe there will be a R5Cii

[@AshvonChamier]

Yeah, the R5 C for the time being really still has it's own place in the canon lineup and for video shooters, I think is the better move between the two. Of course, an R5 II is extremely capable of doing fantastic video projects on, but the R5 C really is meant for video first. Agreed on R5 C II. Part of me thinks it might still be another year to year and half. Could be wrong, but I think they won't want to cannibalize their C80 sales in particular. The R5 C did come out at stand alone time period last time, not really with a cluster of new Canon Cameras. It still wonder if it was just designed as a solution to the original R5's overheating issues and wasn't on the road map originally? I don't know.

[@hmfilms3506]

Hey Ash, Your video's are so valuable !! Recently picked up R5c, where also was considering between c70/c80 and c400 Coming from Panasonic Lumix lineup (S5 & S5ii) i definitely can tell the difference. I absolutely agree with you about everything you said in this video! Full frame sensor, Stunning image quality without any cropping up to 4k/120p, Small form factor, great cinema menue, with sooo improved battery performance, built-in fan, raw recording option, Cf Express b card slot, usefull autofocus and more for $4300+tax Canadian dollars, (New) Yes please!!

[@AshvonChamier]

Yeah. It is so good and the deal has only continues to get sweeter and sweeter as prices drop. Cameras are so good in this last generation, the new stuff can only improve marginally.

[@hmfilms3506]

@@AshvonChamier Exactly 👍 Can't wait to see your other videos!!

[@matt.banton]

Hey, do you miss anything from the S5ii? IBIS for example. My decision is currently between the S5iix or the R5C. (currently own a Blackmagic full frame + Canon R6. I would sell the R6)

[@torsrive8920]

I do not understand why Canon put SD cards on C80... They want seperate C400 and C80 but I think they choose the bad way. Also R5Cii should have TWO cfexpress slots for redundancy. Only 1 cfexpress + proxy is not enough... I need to record images on 2 separate cards and if I need proxies I create them on PC very fast while I take a shower.... Canon needs to hire me as their camera product manager

[@L3DRocks]

Awesome video! FYI, you can buy a USB c spitter that allows you to have an external battery and control with rs3 ❤ 7:42

[@AshvonChamier]

Brilliant! Awesome tip! I will put an order in for one tomorrow. Thanks!

[@L3DRocks]

@@AshvonChamier you are welcome!! Your video was a dissertation in professional video production as an owner operator. You explained everything I have been trying to share with friends who look to me for equipment purchases. Perhaps my favorite part was talking about carts, cables, lenses, etc that many forget about as they grow in their craft.

[@L3DRocks]

@@AshvonChamier the exact adapter does matter. There is a great video with the exact adapter here on the tube. Search r5c ronin v mount battery and it should pop right up. Many of the adapters don't work.

[@csound55]

Thanks for the video & agree the R5c is great value for all it offers. One thing you mentioned about line skipping - 120p on the R5c looks fine but it is line skipped - though 120p is available in super i6 raw mode.

[@AshvonChamier]

Hey, thanks! As far as the line skipping on 120p footage with the R5 C, are you sure about that. I have read and watched information from several sources online and KZbin that it does not use line skipping when filming in 120p. It does use an advanced form of Pixel Binning to assist in data rates, but that is different than line skipping. I'm open to being wrong that however so feel free to share a link to the source on that here. Thanks!

[@csound55]

@@AshvonChamier I read 120p is line skipped but you may be right about pixel binning. It does look slightly softer than the oversampled 60p.

[@squidward3333]

Since last year, I had been budgeting for 2 R5Cs for my in-house production job. So many things have come out since then, and I applaud Canon for upgrading their systems. BUT, the lenses are too dang expensive for me to justify continuing with Canon. They're fantastic lenses, and I would love to own them. But when it comes to budget, and Sony, with it's amazing autofocus and 3rd party lens support... the numbers don't lie. I've been using Sigma art lenses since 2015. And the new Sigma 24-70's and 70-200 get the job done for all of my work. I really wish Canon would allow Sigma to get on board, but it's not happening. I'll be getting an FX3, and 2 A7RV's to round out photo/video needs. All CF Express A and small form factor, with the ability to expand to a cineback or rigidpro. I'm actually going to get a RigidPro for the FX3, considering the price difference of the handle extension. The Cineback handle extension alone for the FX3 is $300... sheesh! Also going to get a Smallrig V-mount battery plate for the A7RV to power the camera when needed. FYI, I see a green streak a little more than halfway past the middle of the frame. That tended to appear for me when my old C200 was in RAW. Great video!

[@AshvonChamier]

Totally valid points. I actually only have TWO RF lens! All my other lenses are older EF mount lenses I use with adapters. A lot of the shots in the video were done with a used, cheap Japanese 16-35mm F/2.8 EF I bought for $600 of ebay years ago! Paired with Canon's RF to EF adapters w and w/o Vari ND wheel. Lots of cheap used options on EF glass. But my RF 24-70 f/2.8 has become the king lens I keep on the R5 C 80% of the time. But none the less, your SONY path is 100% solid and of course, will make for fantastic images too. With you already having SIGMA ART lenses, it makes a lot of sense to keep going in that direction. I think people buying their first cameras don't realize how much once they start the path of building lenses of certain mount type, it will continue to steer their camera body choices into the future too. I have so much EF glass and now started RF, it makes it hard for me to go back to Sony if I wanted to. I still have 2 Sony Cams that I can't bring myself to sell because I built my business with them and I could still make work today both that that would be competitive with my current cams. A little more cumbersome to use... but great images still.

[@squidward3333]

@@AshvonChamier I've actually been adapting EF glass on both an R6 and 2 GH5s' for almost 5 years. I held on to my EF glass to adapt and make the setup work. I've had no video autofocus this entire time though. So I'm selling off the cameras, 2 24-70's and 70-200, and switching over to E-mount. I tested out the S5II and loved it, but Panasonic still has a ways to go before they reach autofocus capabilities of the big boys. Still a fantastic deal, and I'm sure Panasonic will come out swinging with this next iteration. But I can't look away from investing in Sony and Sigma E-mount. I also want lighter lenses than the EF glass. Loved them for many years, but it's time to move on! Some day when I'm super rich, I'll get all the new RF stuff lol

[@BobbyD262]

I might end up with the R1, god help me. Looks like it has a native ISO at 12,800 that looks beautiful. Maybe better than 12,800 on the C80. Also the 60p is oversampled. Only 6k, but more than enough for me.

[@LuxLadyStudio]

R5c af for video is medival period

[@AshvonChamier]

Haha, you think? It has improved a lot with the firmware updates and works well for my projects.

[@LuxLadyStudio]

@@AshvonChamier I replaced r5c with r5mk2 just because after for video, this cinema menu is dumb and handicapped the camera a lot would love to have r5c just with normal stills menu and camera functionality for video just with oversampled all formats that would be perfect for me. I shoot dancing nude models with rf 85L at f1.2 r5c just couldn't keep up for this

[@NoSuRReNDeR001]

Shutter angle or no. Every time I keep my RED Gemini at home and use my R5 to my v+ or just by itself not having shutter ange IS A FRUSTRATING thing for me. I change frame rates, and forget to change the Shutter so if I do 120p for a quick grab I have to REMEMEBER to change the shutter back from 1/250 etc... Shutter angle is critical for me- AS FAR AS C80 I agree that was my gripe I am trying to convince myself its not a problem.

[@AshvonChamier]

I love having shutter angle mode on the R5 C. You can set the R5 C in its CINEMA MENU to "Shutter Angle" mode at 180 degrees. That's what I do so the shutter automatically doubles whatever frame rate I put it on.

[@shamsheeds]

Great review. Can you please share on how you monitor and control the R5C rigged on a car at 7:38. Thanks

[@AshvonChamier]

Sure, I will add that to my list of vids to make in the near future. Actually, I will be filming with it again in Vegas next month during SEMA. I will try to get some BTS footage of it then while in action. But just so you know before than, I use the DJI RS3 w/ Raveneye wireless transmitter sent to my iPhone for mobile pitch control and active track, 24-70 RF F2.8 set anywhere from f/4 to f/8 at various zoom ranges over the day of filming, and film all of it in 8K RAW. You will absolutely love having the cropping ability in your edit with cars driving far away to close.

[@shamsheeds]

@@AshvonChamier Thanks. What settings can you adjust on the raven eye app?

[@Niiich3]

followed because of the B Roll

[@AshvonChamier]

Awesome! Thanks!

[@thedeliveryman2064]

Hope we see a R5C mkii in 2025 🙏🏻

[@AshvonChamier]

I would think they will in another year to year and half. Give me 16 Stops of DR, Internal ND's, XLR, and a compressed 8K RAW that performs more like RED's r3d files in post, and I will replace both of these R5 C's, and abandon RED all together. LOL

[@torsrive8920]

R5Cii should be the best hybrid camera from Canon.... But also the world waiting for Sony A1ii, FX3ii... Also Nikon is in the game after they bought RED... Nikon would be the best out of all camera brands in near future. That's why for me, Canon has only 2 professional cameras.... Canon R3 and Canon R1

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

What lenses did you use for your shots?

[@FerMuBe]

I’m interested in this. I have L EF lenses but it won’t allow me to shoot 8K… there’s a lens issue message related to power. It’s greyed out and can’t be selected. I use a dummy connected to an outlet or V-mount and nothing gives it the necessary power. I’m at a loss

[@AshvonChamier]

Bummer! Have you updated the firmware on your R5 C? I use EF lenses and have autofocus and IS using the CANON Adapters. I have not tried using 3rd party adapters which would be my next question for ya... are you using Canon's own RF to EF adapters to ensure maximum compatibility?

[@AshvonChamier]

For the last year, since I got it, 80% of the time I am using my 24-70 F/2.8 RF. Before that, 80% Of the time I was using a 16-35mm F/2.8 EF with Canon's RF to EF adapter that has Vari-ND wheel. Then I occasionally used some of my Rokinon Cine Primes that are the CHEAPER ones ranging from $350 to $750.

[@FerMuBe]

@@AshvonChamier need to check on update - yes to original adapter. Thanks. Will report on results!

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

Great video, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge on these things. People are at the crossroads of making a major investment on one of these cameras, much appreciated

[@AshvonChamier]

You are super welcome! I hear ya. This is a lot of money and will be an investment people make that could dictate the next 2-5 years their filming journey. I am happy to try and assist in weighing out those options. Feel free to comment back here on what you got if you pick up a new cam. All the cameras explored are powerhouses and the are more powerhouse camera options that extend past these too by Sony, Black Magic, and for the last couple of years Nikon as well.

[@crazyKurious]

R5C doesnt have cl2 even in Raw.

[@AshvonChamier]

It does not offer it while you are filming. You can select CLOG 2 in your NLE (editing program) in your RAW setting under GAMMA. This is how Gerald Undone achieved 13 usable stops from 8K RAW on a 4K timeline.

[@crazyKurious]

@@AshvonChamier if you go and read comments on history videos, the decoding is still not clog2. The sensor doesnt have enough DR, neither the camera has appropriate ADC.