Cineback Turns Mirrorless Into Cinema Camera?

[@izzypixie3577]

Hi Ash! Your video about why you bought a second R5C is what brought me to this one. I’m a new subscriber and starting a new journey, diving into videography after starting with photography. Rigs can feel overwhelming for someone new, but your setup stood out to me it’s simple, clean, and sleek, and feels like something I could actually use. Thanks for sharing and making this process feel a bit less intimidating!

[@AshvonChamier]

Sure thing! Glad you found me sharing my experience so far helpful. Still enjoying the Cineback and running it through it's paces on shoots. It really does seem to be a the simplest solution I have found if you want it to feel like a cohesive camera with all day battery life, a better larger monitor, and should you choose to run additional XLR sound with a separate device, it can power that too and much more easily be mountable.

[@FilmRunnerMedia]

I wish they could make a cineback for the C70, but with all of the controls on the back of the camera I don't think it would really work out. But I think you're totally right about the handheld stability. Even mounting a cine battery on the back, you can get that extra contact point when you bury the rig into your chest and it really feels a lot more stable. You're also right about the rigging; I have all kinds of rig parts all over the place here that I researched, bought, tried, and didn't like, and after all this time I've never found a rig or shoulder mount solution that I really like. It's tempting to buy the R5C and cineback just to have a turnkey solution. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏

[@AshvonChamier]

Really appreciate you sharing you're experience here. Yeah, I am loving this combo. I still need to see images come out of the C400 that make me feel like, wow... I can't get that on the R5 C, to be compelled to invest in an $8,000 6K system... even if it has Internal ND's and 12,800 ISO. Glad you found my user experience so far helpful buddy.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

@@AshvonChamier, I personally see ‘wow images’ from the footage you’re taking on the R5C. Have you considered the Komodo X?

[@micahcoxworld]

I throughly enjoyed this video, as a cano shooter using my r5 as my b-cam and a lot of times primary cam I have definitely been looking at the cineback vs tons of smaller parts. Your review is detailed, knowledgable and authentic, I really appreciate that. I'm excited to watch more of your videos, great job

[@AshvonChamier]

Wonderful to hear buddy. Sure thing. Still enjoying it and have gotten to use it a lot more since I made this video. Holding up great.

[@userpassport]

Amazing gear setting! Proud of the best R5C

[@AshvonChamier]

Just completed a long weekend of filming with this one dedicated to the cine rig style and the other living stripped down to be light, living on a cheap slider. Another product shoot for Trans Am Worldwide. Loved the images I was getting out of the R5 C's!

[@AdrianVenturaMusic]

Loving the channel. Great videos and insight 🙌🏻

[@AshvonChamier]

GREAT! Thanks!

[@carmencibella8937]

Awesome video, thanks so much for putting this together! I just got the Cineback for my R5C and was wondering if you could tell me what attachments you got to mount your mic, monitor, and handle to it. Would love a video breaking down how you put it all together!

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks! Glad you found it helpful. I actually just mount my Rode Video Mic directly onto the Tilta Camera Cage. It has a cold shoe on the right side. Check out my video description where I have links to the Edelkrone Monitor Holder and the Tilta Wooden Handle I use.

[@carmencibella8937]

@@AshvonChamier Thanks so much! My bad, I was still waiting on the camera cage - it's my first time using one and it just arrived. Got everything on there and it feels amazing, really appreciate all of your videos! I'd love to work with you some time and learn from you if you're even doing a job in the northeast and want an extra hand/R5C. I mostly do weddings but have been starting to do more commercial work lately and am trying to build that up more

[@j.c.8195]

Any thoughts on the Rigid Pro version? At least thoughts on it on the surface level of course, since I don’t expect you to order one from them! Thank you for these videos btw! And Happy New Year!

[@AshvonChamier]

I haven’t seen that model yet or didn’t come across it when picking up this R5 C version. I’ll have to check it out!

[@Malick333]

Thanks for showing us this …. I have a similar setup that’s about 2/3 to 1/2 the size that for me is not too big and not too small. Basically a cage, side handle, plus a top plate that the handle and monitor mount to just like the cineback, but using a small rig V mount tilting plate $99 (4064B) that is flush to the back of the R5C and allows for the screen to flip out the exact same. It has the same box “cinema camera” look but again not quite so long. One thing I highly recommend adding to the right camera grip is a Peak Design Clutch Camera Strap as it locks your right hand in using more gravity than hand strength.

[@AshvonChamier]

NICE! I have a smaller setup for my other Canon R5 C when it is not in a gimbal state. I do like it, but am just really loving this cineback so much, it has me thinking about getting one for it too. We'll see. I like your idea about the Clutch Strap. I will look that one up specifically. Thanks for the sharing the tip with me and everyone else here. Happy to hear you found the video interesting. Thanks for letting me know!

[@Malick333]

@@AshvonChamier yeah man of course, that's the best part is we get to all learn from each other! I spent too many rigs and $$$ to get to my ideal rig and man I would've bypassed all that with the Cineback if had been an option. I will say it's crazy how easy it is to basically turn the R5C into a "box shape" with a built in right side grip. One day I had it stripped down and looking at it top down view and was like .... wait, it's already a box with a grip! ha have a great day!

[@Wirsingfilms]

Great Video! How do you pull focus running this setup? Cheers and have a good day!

[@sethcoogan]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing the parts list.

[@AshvonChamier]

You got it man! Thanks for letting me know you found it helpful!

[@walterramirez5576]

Hey, I absolutely love your content! I was curious-what are your thoughts on using an Easyrig? Have you ever tried one in your projects?

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks! I have been interested in an easy rig for years, but never pulled the trigger. I’m now further away from getting one than I have ever been because I’m so satisfied with using “The Sakk” instead. Alleviate the weight issue, stabilizes my handheld footage in a great way, but still feels organic for handheld look, cheaper by far than an easy rig, and way easier to switch between rig set ups on the fly versus being strapped into an easy rig. Other brands make something similar so I would just get whatever is the best price. But the concept of the bag that the camera can sit on is just so simple and awesome.

[@walterramirez5576]

@@AshvonChamier Thanks so much for your insight!

[@mklphoto]

What are you considering for the EVF since the Cineback form factor covers up the built-in EVF? Nice video. I miss the EVF for many scenarios on my C70, and ended up using a Zacuto loupe finder for the lcd display.

[@AshvonChamier]

Great point. So, I honestly have only used my EVF a couple of times, when filming on a beach. Outside of that, the cheap Portkeys monitor gets so bright, I have not had issue using it to pull focus in harsh outdoor conditions. That being said, I am fortunate enough to have two R5 C's now... so while I have this one pretty much living in the Cineback since I got it, the other one is staying intentionally more stripped down for stealth mode and/or running on my Ronin RS3 Gimbal. That leaves an EVF version of the camera I can grab anytime. BUT, if you like using EVF's and only have one R5 C... I could totally understand how the Cineback may not be the right solution for ya. But again, great point to factor in I didn't think to bring up as a sacrifice in this video. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

[@mklphoto]

@@AshvonChamier I'm from the ENG side of the camp, so I cut my teeth having a viewfinder jammed up to my eye. With an EVF and OS lens, I could be pretty stable with the extra point of contact jammed up to my eye. Plus in the not so accurate days of AF, it was essential to verify focus on the fly. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. :)

[@KimDiazStudio]

Awesome! This video made me pull the trigger. And I think I saw you at SEMA with this camera. Not sure.

[@AshvonChamier]

Haha, that's great! Yeah, my son who also has long hair was there at SEMA with me filming for the Trans Am Worldwide booth and their 70/SS's mostly. We had 2 R5 C's going, one in this Cineback and the other living on the Ronin RS3. Went great. I haven't taken that R5 C out of the cineback since I put it in. Loving it and adding more attachments now because it is so mountable, lol.

[@KimDiazStudio]

@ yeah! I talked to your son. He looks exactly like you. Haha. I already got the cineback! Its awesome. The tilta grip is on the way. Hehe. How do you store your cineback with the r5c when travelling?

[@cogmission1]

Use a dummy battery connected to the D-Taps, then you can power on/off everything at once. Great Video, thank you for this!

[@AshvonChamier]

Ah, right! That makes total sense that would work. Thanks for throwing out the tip here for us all.

[@cogmission1]

Sure! Thanks again for your hard work :-)

[@backyardwindow]

This would be a perfect solution if Canon could give us touch screen support over the HDMI. I might still pick one up.

[@AshvonChamier]

I really agree with you there. That is would be ideal.

[@kylehalim5957]

Hey man. I'm using the R5C as well. Any links for the saddle bags?

[@AshvonChamier]

I got "The Sakk" which is what a lot of KZbinrs are promoting right now. I thought I would be able to find a cheaper option, but the SAKK actually was the best deal on sale at the time for the size I wanted. You can look on B and H, Amazon, and elsewhere if you want to look around for other options but here is the link to "The Sakk" if you go that route. I am definitely loving it. However, with a bit of effort, I feel like I could concoct something similar enough and save some coin. www.sakkcameraequipment.com/

[@EdwardOrnelas]

Just picked one for my ZV-E1, Looks far more professional then it's standard body. Clientele takes you more seriously. They see it as a "real" camera.

[@AshvonChamier]

So far that has been my experience and I feel very confident it will continue to be. That's cool that you picked up one for your cam!

[@Buzzer9000]

Nice System! What's that monitor bracket?

[@AshvonChamier]

Thanks. That is the "EDELKRONE MONITOR/EVF HOLDER".

[@eriksopracasa3449]

Hi Ash, I just shot a whole documentary on the Sony Ay IV and I'm looking at upgrades towards a real cinema camera. Canon R5C, C80, C400 and RED Komodo X. Would you recommend investing in a RED Komodo X even though it's not a full frame camera?

[@AshvonChamier]

Dude, a RED Komodo X, and many Super35mm cameras are absolute beast of cameras. Even though I have a full video about why I bought a 2nd R5 C instead of any of the newer cameras, I think the best, most film like picture quality still lands with RED. The Canon's just come so close, are ready to go out of the box in many ways, and offer so many auto-tools that help me as a one man production. So, I went with a second R5 C. But... I do own a RED EPIC DRAGON X (EF mount) when I want that look. That might effect my decision making more than I know? However, the two R5 C's have been so great, I haven't filmed with the RED more than once since I picked up the second R5 C. My RED is an older model, heavy, eats batteries in 30min, but looks fantastic and so filmic. It is Super35mm. On the KOMODO X with it's RF mount though, I would recommend planning on buying a RF to EF Speedboster/Focal Reducer adapter and sporting a few EF lenses if you want that full frame look for some stuff, plus it gives you an extra stop of light on any lens you throw on it. Can't remember if you saw my "2nd R5 C Instead of..." video, but here it is just in case as I think you will find the info valuable. kzbin.info/www/bejne/joGYaoiElKutpac&t/playlist?list=PLEdafLrhWMDB0wdJBd3dSUlTZBDMfyzxa And if your still interested in hearing me discuss my ultimate video on how I assess any camera for potential purchase, this video covers the 7 Key Things I consider, in depth. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnzPkHtofMeDeJY&t/playlist?list=PLEdafLrhWMDB0wdJBd3dSUlTZBDMfyzxa

[@Ultrarmx]

I have a R5 what color space do you recommend recording. Rec709, BT2020 or Cinema Gamut?

[@AshvonChamier]

I prefer the Cinema Gamut. Use it exclusively for my color grading. I always film in LOG and color grade.

[@jolatunde]

How do you feel about it 3 months later? I just got mine

[@AshvonChamier]

I still love it. The ONLY THING that I find a little tricky about it is using my RF to EF vari-nd adapter. It is a little hard reaching the wheel that rotates the ND's intensity. Other than that, it has just been so great.

[@hyperborean2576]

Cine rigs look really cool and can be useful, but bottom line is: many hundreds of dollars later the images are the exact same as they were when barebones out of the box.

[@ywmedia]

There's difference in the movement and feel of footage, due to form factor and weight (what he's saying at 7:30). Locked off on a tripod, you're 100% right though. Not going to make a difference for the image. It all ultimately depends on how and what you shoot. I like shooting more barebones with a mirrorless when not trying to draw attention or travel light. Most of the time though, for me, a more traditional boxier/camcorder body feels more comfortable for shooting video. From my experience, it's actually harder to maneuver a smaller body handheld for long periods of time imo. It's almost like using a computer mouse that's too small and getting cramps in your hands. You have to "grip" instead of letting the camera "rest" against you. Weight distribution, being able prop it against things, etc, is more convenient with a longer (and heavier) camera body. And once you start mounting multiple mic receivers, mics needing extra battery power, etc, you run out of space quickly on a camera cage.

[@AshvonChamier]

I think you nailed my sentiment in this reply. On a tripod, agreed, no difference (other than not having enough mount points for other items), but the handheld movement and comfort from this form factor does instigate a different end result.

[@Malick333]

I love shooting handheld and I can say having a rig like this is a game changer. A lot of it has to do with 1) added weight and 2) 3 points of contact between left and right hand and the v mount resting/pressed into your torso somewhere.

[@hyperborean2576]

@@ywmedia I'm gonna be honest, I was just trying to be provocative. I know really well there are situations where this is very much required, especially if you're working with a team (assistant, focus puller, sound). And of course, the unique look of handheld footage of a weighted camera rig, impossible to replace by optical stabilization, IBIS, or post-production. That being said, the reason for my comment still stands, we know very well that the primary reason we build a cine rig is because it looks cool to us and impresses clients, everything else is secondary. The psychological effect is so strong that we actually take the job more seriously and act more professional when using a cine rig instead of a just a camera/lens combo. True story. We all know it.

[@squidward3333]

@@hyperborean2576I disagree. I’m getting Cineback because of significant battery life increase for my monitor and camera, doing no battery swaps, and having handheld weight distribution that puts the center distribution behind the sensor. I also do in-house production for a company and don’t deal with clients I have to impress with gear. The only guy I need to impress is the CEO with my work getting done and looking good, as well as versatility to film any situation. So whether it’s stripped down for concealing, shooting photos, or having to video for multiple hours. I don’t have the time to buy random pieces and hope that I’m building a Frankenstein rig that works. This all-in-one piece is a great solution to help me with my pain points.

[@kurefulmusic]

Is it useable and suitable for Canon eos 90d DSLR

[@AshvonChamier]

This paricuar model is for the R5 and R5 C. While they do make the Cineback for other models, at a glance on their page, I do not believe they currently offer one for that Canon Model. Here is a direct link where you can look and/or reach out to them with the request. camerafoundry.com/collections/all-cineback-models

[@scottievee330]

I've been cutting my C70 with the C400. It's pretty easy. Triple ISO is a thing. Way better than duel. 12800 is a very seldom used? I would have kept my R5c if it had Log2 and sold both C70's. Unfortunately not the case. And the ND's. Even filters have some kinda color cast. The only things that matter, was the client happy and was it a reasonably easy to get there with what you are using.

[@AshvonChamier]

Hey Scottie, that is super awesome you have the C400 in your arsenal now. I know without doubt, it as an absolute beast. It's that or the Komodo X when I do get my next actual Cinebody. Just need the right Project OR TWO to justify the investment. Still getting better with the R5 C as it continues to surprise me, lol. Thanks for all your support in keeping up with the channel over the last couple of years even though it goes dormant for stretches. I just get so busy. I am back on the train of trying to make more time for it again for the foreseeable future.

[@scottievee330]

@@AshvonChamier Nice. I watch plenty of channels but yours is easy to watch. To the point and does not come across as a sales pitch in any direction. Plus I agree with what you say. So we're both right or wrong. All good bud.

[@PurpleCarrotSociety]

Can you include an affiliate link for the left handed handle? Or the link if you dont have an affiliate? Thank you!!! Also, what attaches monitor to top handle??

[@AshvonChamier]

Sure thing! The left handed ones on a nato rail are a little tricky to find. Looks like it is on sale at the moment too. If you already found it without this link, no worries. Hope you enjoy using it as much I am! Tilta Advanced Side Wooden Handle | Black Walnut Wood & Aluminum Alloy Build | Quick Release Button | Left Side Handle (NATO Rail - Type VII) amzn.to/4fGjH9V

[@PurpleCarrotSociety]

@@AshvonChamier How long is you micro HDMI to HDMI cord? The ones I am using just stick out from the side. I like how you thread it through the cage. that is the last piece of the puzzle for me

[@bigrobotnewstoday1436]

That rig does make it look like a much bigger camera.

[@AshvonChamier]

I had to point out to my client at my shoot last night, that the CINE BODY I was holding was the same camera as the little Canon R5 C on the gimbal. He looked back and forth 3x and had totally assumed I was using two different camera systems all together.

[@TradeshowThomas]

do you travel with it fully built?

[@AshvonChamier]

Haven't traveled with it yet. But I am gonna try to! Would be so nice to not have to pull out 20 pieces of kit to build a rig like I normally do. I think TSA will just look at it as a single unit to pull out because it basically is now. Also will be easier to pack than the odd shapes normal rig solutions are.

[@VisualReasonProductions]

If you were to take just the top handle and the monitor off, would you be able to balance it on a decent gimbal? I mean, looking at it…it really can’t be that much bigger than like an FX6 right? I love all your content. Your channel is a big reason for my R5 C purchase. All my videos on my channel have been shot with R5C as well. Any feedback would be amazing!!!

[@avx111]

​@@VisualReasonProductionsFX6 stripped down is actually really small and light

[@AshvonChamier]

@@VisualReasonProductions I have not tested it on the gimbal yet but can't help but think it might be a bit heavy and the stripped down R5 C works so well on it as is and light enough to operate for long periods. BUT... I have thought about it and I will test it soon. I have been curious how it might do when paired with the RS3 on the Tilta Hydra Alien Arm System I do my car to car filming with. That is great to hear you have been enjoying the channel and that your working with a Canon R5 C. I will try to check out some of your work soon enough buddy. Swinging some heavy edits at the moment due soon and making this vid put me a little behind.

[@vladimirtalijan]

This makes no sense. You were using different cameras for 20 years and now you're praising a $3000 hybrid camera with a bunch of metal which makes it heavy like an Alexa or a Red and incredibly slow to work with and really expensive to move the camera on the set, so what's the point? People who use $3000 cameras are solo shooters on cheap projects, why would they need this? This is nothing than a typical youtube sales video, everything on youtube is just sales today.

[@AshvonChamier]

LOL... well... my subscribers specifically requested I make a video about this rig I have been using. I have no affiliation with the company whatsoever. The camera in the Cineback is still WAY lighter than my RED. I have 2 Canon R5 C's that I have been using more than my RED. One is in setup in Cineback like this which I and many people prefer for more stable handheld footage, longer battery life, and a of hoing a monitor, all with a single battery. The other R5 C stays mostly lives on my Ronin but stays more stripped down so I can go stealth in certain situations or hop into Photos if desired. I was debating between getting a Canon C400 or this and the price was so much cheaper for what is still an 8K camera vs a 6K camera, I went this route. The only real compromise for me is not having built in ND or XLR. The auto features this camera offers over a RED or Alexa is what makes it in some ways, a better solution for people who run solo productions the majority of the time, like myself. The box style form factor is desirable to many. The Canon R5 C is an underrated camera in the world of Sony dominating the KZbin space in my opinion. Not to say I don't also still like my Sony cameras.

[@noneban]

Camera Foundry is Caleb's company.

[@AshvonChamier]

Okay! I thought that was probably the case. Thanks for confirming!

[@bigrobotnewstoday1436]

That movie voice sounds like a voice actor I know that worked for Gameloft. Gameloft is part of Ubisoft they was big into mobile games and ripped off a lot of triple AAA games back in the day like Call of Duty and GTA.

[@AshvonChamier]

I actually have not idea who's voice it is, lol. I had found a free Pack of voice over sounds a few years ago with all these random phrases. Then I stitched together some funny statements, like the "Vampires In 3D" at the intro.

[@bigrobotnewstoday1436]

@ I use to have a iPhone app review channel years ago. One of the voice actors reached out asking if it was ok to use my video in his portfolio. He has that movie voice. iPhone gaming use to be really good back in the day. Before they change the model to buy coins to play. The iPhone was like a Sony PSP.

[@lewiswright4038]

can it fit on the dji rs4 pro

[@AshvonChamier]

For handheld, the R5 C stripped down is so nice because of how light it is on the RS3. I don't have an RS4. BUT... I am curious to see how it may behave when the RS3 is mounted to the Tilta Hydra Alien Arm system (with the RS3). I have some car to car filming coming up in VEGAS after SEMA next month. If it works will, I will make vid about it on the channel.

[@avx111]

this and the new tascam with timecode

[@AshvonChamier]

I just got a pair of Tentacle Track E's and Sync E's I am going to be mounting to each Canon R5 C and testing the workflow of working with timecode. I will have to look into the latest Tascam. Thanks for the tip.

[@EdwardOrnelas]

Wow, had I not seen this comment, I would've bought the the Zoom F3. Tascam FR-AV2 looks miles more advanced. Thanks man!

[@luiscampos5149]

kkkkkkk DSLR people are crazy

[@AshvonChamier]

I own actual cinema cameras too. This is just a cool solution for that feel paired with the amazing power the R5 C provides for such a reasonable price point.

[@davidlcaldwell]

Another tech bro shilling for nothing.

[@AshvonChamier]

Me... a tech bro... that's hilarious. My subscribers requested I talk about my rig so I am here. All honest opinions. If you look at more of my channel, you will clearly see I don't even review gear often at all other than my Canon R5 C which is not exactly the most popular camera.

[@davidlcaldwell]

Story is everything. Without a compelling story it does not matter what camera you have. Therefore, all the tech bros on KZbin selling the latest tech are essentially lying, And I mean All.

[@squidward3333]

@@davidlcaldwellhey David. Shut the hell up. Dude can do what he wants with his channel. It’s a great video, and I want to hear his thoughts. I’ve worked in video full time for 10 years and gear talks are important. So don’t disparage the guy for no reason, on his own video, like a reject.

[@davidlcaldwell]

@@squidward3333 I can comment and give whatever feedback I feel like giving. That's life on KZbin, so deal with it snowflake.