Ashes of Creation Alpha PROBLEM

[@Tilley53]

Nah, you did so many people dirty with that comment Nyce 😂😂 i aint part of the single group so im safe 🥱 but i feel bad for the rest getting absolutely toasted

[@LiLAlbiHD]

The savagery 😂😂😂

[@Xhotic]

tbh i personally think they need to go away from the open world dungeons being their "only dungeons" and have atleast Proper INSTANCED DUNGEONS as well as atleast SOME Instanced PvP arenas and Battlegrounds... people wont want to have to deal with other players ALL THE TIME when wanting to do PvE boss/dungeon content... like seriously tho have they not learned from previous MMOs lmao, have them there still, sure as stuff like the open world dungeons in Throne and Liberty were very cool and dope they turned PvP at night and then the entrances closed off if you were killed, making you unable to run back inside until Day Time (some of them were open regardless if died) But yea thats my only issue so far, the lack of Instanced content is a worrying issue for me and MANY others, like Instanced Arenas and Battlegrounds and Dungeons/Raids.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Xhotic there will be difficult instanced pve content as well supposedly

[@shivasdreaming-si7tu]

8:50 I have previous experience in a proper development Alpha - and I can say .. .yes. Content can come online very rapidly once systems are tested. Most of Guild Wars 1 didn't get put into the game until a few months before launch (Pre-searing and everything after Lion's Arch. We nearly exclusively tested in the Ascalon area before that)

[@Nyce-Gaming]

Sweet. I think intrepid will surprise us and end up having an insane beta / launch era 🤲

[@Kamtudaddi]

Steven has yet to answer our pleas for Fentanyl recipes for alchemists.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Kamtudaddi he’s working on it. It caused the game to have a ‘M’ rating

[@Ungohil]

And that's why you are the best content creator for Ashes - because you also talk about the aspects that are not only shiny and perfect within a fan bubble, but with a more critical view on all those things. Again, very cool and nyce vid, thanks.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Ungohil appreciate this comment. I’m so excited and hype for this game. I’m super passionate about it, but try to avoid bias and echo chambers when analyzing things

[@xUnnamedx44]

I'm good with no dueling. People need to go out in the world and do things, not sit in town dueling all day.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@xUnnamedx44 I get that perspective. Dueling would just be for testing purposes. I’m sure exploration and adventuring is the #1 priority for everyone. But remember; it’s a long alpha ahead. At some point that world will be fully explored

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

@@Nyce-Gaming My choice would be to have an arena building that can be built on a node plot, in which sparring and duelling can take place. Military Nodes would get one by default, being the arena where the mayoral contests are held. Duelling in the open world would be prone to interruption and require too much special processing, breaking immersion. One of the great things about the node system is that you are going to be able to put buildings you desire in the node, attracting the citizens you desire. My own view is that building a stable metropolis (level 6) node with the correct mix of citizens, the correct mix of buildings, for the biome, local POIs and node type, is going to be more of a challenge than people expect, even if the area is uncontested.

[@glennmiller5772]

Yeah, ppl are going to be finished with all the content in the first month. Dueling is replay able content and ppl are interested in it for multiple reasons. But regardless ppl should be doing what they are interested in doing and testing what is going to make or break the game for them.

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

@@glennmiller5772 People are not going to be finished with the content in 6 months, or 6 years. If you think that you haven't been paying attention. The content is going to be effectively generated, not fixed, so depending on which nodes get higher and which stay lower, and which story arcs are generated, the the end game content will be different. And they will be able to add story arcs constantly without much testing. Effectively they will be able to add content faster than players can complete it.

[@glennmiller5772]

@@TheToledoTrumpton the context is alpha 2 launch. Isnt it just the riverlands? While i agree with you every single thing isnt going to be completed in a month even with river lands its still time/node gate kept. There will be a point where a node will reach its peak but then that has to be destroyed in order to advance another area. Its totally possible ince a node reaches max it never gets destroyed ever. But again the context is dueling and basic content and ppl not going out and playing the game just holding up in town dueling lol. Ppl will plough through the available content in no time.

[@jeremyrobbins9064]

I remember when New World Alpha ended and I saw this cool new upcoming game called Ashes of Creation. I remember that I could buy my way into their Alpha that was coming up. New World Beta was not for some time and I thought it looked like a great time sink till New World came back around. But the more I looked at it and that you had to buy your way in... I passed on this one. Glad I did.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@jeremyrobbins9064 that’s fair. It’s crazy to think that new world has been out some time (despite its flaws) while we’re still awaiting an alpha

[@jeremyrobbins9064]

@@Nyce-Gaming I do hope Ashes is great just have a bad feeling about them. Crazy part is New World Just had another Alpha for console.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@jeremyrobbins9064 the mmorpg genre needs help 🥲

[@Tilley53]

AOC could never have a problem 😱

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Tilley53 not one we can’t fix

[@lukefrederiks5906]

Part of me does wish they’d do their P1 server stress test, then go dark until May with a FULL feature alpha 2

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@lukefrederiks5906 I think people have waited so long that this wouldn’t go well. I mean people rioted because they will only get to play on weekends initially so imagine going dark 👀

[@TheToledoTrumpton]

Not going to happen - see my post above.

[@jediryan9454]

AoC reminds me so much of EverQuest Next. Just a friendly warning.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@jediryan9454 🥲

[@nineinchnailzPSN]

Nyce, I bought the 250 A2 bundle a couple years ago and I am concerned about the lack of completed content in alpha 2. Could you please ask Steven about this?

[@Nyce-Gaming]

Gotcha. There will be a question somewhat touching on this and public perception to whats presented.

[@Shao_Grey]

great vid...... again, really like your thoughts :)

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Shao_Grey appreciated. Hope we get info on some of this stuff soon 🤞

[@shivasdreaming-si7tu]

2 minutes in so far - but it's worth pointing out that the Phase 3 slide is what will be at the start of Phase 3. Things will be continued to be added during phase 3. Staves were confirmed to be 'sometime during phase 3' and obviously all the other secondary archetypes (Cleric and Tank only at the start of phase 3) 3:35 - yes, that :)

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@shivasdreaming-si7tu wait until you’re 4 minutes in 😏

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@shivasdreaming-si7tu oh I see you saw lol

[@saske-nbk]

I'll wait for this to fully release and see honest reviews before making mind up.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@saske-nbk smart. Good part is you can wait, it’s an open development, and no box cost at launch

[@shivasdreaming-si7tu]

8:19 Monster coins were mentioned in the Q&A at the end of the last stream - specifically levelling up specific monster types and gaining new powers. So, sill planned. But no idea the timeline.

[@shivasdreaming-si7tu]

Bounty Hunter system is the main focus of the Military nodes. Can't really do a military node without it. That said, Phase 3 only includes Military election type... so what are Military Nodes even going to do without Bounties?

[@AssesinsToast]

calm and colected video with great questions! Remember the days when Narc used to be this way? Try not to go perfomatively insane :D

[@Narc]

dafaq are you on about? please can you link me a clip in any of my videos, where I am perfomatively insane?? you people take criticism like a personal attack unless it's layered with 30 seconds of "i'm not trying to offend anyone"

[@AssesinsToast]

@Narc the fact that you think I'm talking about your criticism of the game shows how deep you are in. So, what are YOU on about? My comment was about being calm and collected, which you clearly are not presenting yourself as. You scream... a lot. Where do I even mention the content of your criticism? Take your "I'm not trying to offend anyone" bullshit somewhere else. Trying to make me look like I can't handle your options on a game in development? I might not agree with all of those, but that's the neat part about options. People have different ones. It's very funny mate... you literally took offence to my comment about your performance in your videos. Maybe I should have said, "I'm not trying to offend anyone"? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYG9aYx7aKt_eqs&si=J6BIXKIVoZRVT0Pg You literally make videos about it. Im not referring to your criticism. Im talking about the way you act in your stream. You can do so however you want, but you can't deny that you sometimes act over the top silly. Apparently, you care because you wouldn't have commented if you didn't. You talk about your baking and your pation towards it. You clearly have pation towards AoC and content creation. Thats what i liked about you and your channel. But when your performance leads you to mocking other peoples opinions on the forums... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHW7h3qliN9ljrM&si=CzeLUwrNYwMp1tmw You come off as an unlikable prick who thinks only his opinion is valid. Especially if you then go on to be offended when you hear an opinion about your performance. And you show you can be reasonable as shown in your latest video. which means you choose to be over the top and/or demeaning for your stream.

[@RitchieSH]

Blame me for Nyce's list, but blame Nyce if A2 gets delayed

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@RitchieSH too far

[@danheger1]

We don't need no stinkin problems!! :P

[@aaronbutler5969]

No need to have dueling since the characters are balanced as group combat not solo or 1v1 the minimum would be group of 3 or more

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@aaronbutler5969 as I mentioned, balance or expectation of it is not the reason for dueling especially at this stage

[@aaronbutler5969]

@@Nyce-Gaming number one dueling now this 25 Missing Features 4:17 one has me pondering the most we've been 4:20 stressed so much that Alpha 2 is just a 4:22 test environment and not a game so this 4:25 is just my opinion but launching a test 4:27 without the most basic of features is is 4:30 actually puzzling dueling is the most 4:32 efficient way to test combat PVP combat 4:35 specifically skills find out how certain 4:38 stats work in the game find out how 4:40 certain calculations are achieved notice 4:42 if certain calculations or skills aren't 4:44 working as intended and I don't know 4:47 find out if some features or mechanics 4:49 are bugged uh test builds test 4:52 archetypes and more maybe I'm a little something really worth acquiring and I'm 5:22 not saying no dueling for an alpha test 5:24 at the end of the world but I do see it 5:26 as a missed opportunity does that make 5:28 sense if anything I thought group 5:31 dueling would take a while to come 5:32 online but personally I didn't expect 1V 5:35 one duel tests not to be available and 5:38 once again I mean for testing purposes 14 arenas we have yet to see 11:00 or hear anything about instant PvP 11:02 Arenas they've spoken on this is from your video. you expected 1v1 at the start, you expected 1v1 for testing systems, you expected that they are missing this basic feature. i said that there is no reason to have it in the game at all, ever. the game is not balanced as a 1v1 it is balanced as a group. there are classes that will always beat the other

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@aaronbutler5969 hey so idk if you misinterpreted my comment, but maybe it’s my fault. I stated that “balance or expectation of it is not the reason for wanting dueling” it being *balance* not dueling… apologies as that may could have saved you the above unnecessary timestamp novel. I feel it’s ok for us to disagree about the desire for this one basic feature. It is confirmed to be coming to the game regardless of whether or not it’s wanted by you. Also there aren’t classes that will always beat the other even with the rock paper scissors system as skill differences may be relevant. Though that’s irrelevant to the points laid out about the benefits of a dueling system. Thank you for your feedback on this

[@veil1792]

*I think they should completely throw out the Stock Market, and put that extra Dev time into Black Markets.*

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@veil1792 I’d be all for that

[@ObeyCairo]

I feel like it’s fine do it in phases you don’t want to throw everything at testers and then try and fix it all at once you want to test in batches to make sure everything works as intended and then add more features and fixing as you go along

[@Nyce-Gaming]

True. Isolates variables

[@Yushaodo]

❤

[@GP-ur6if]

Only issue with Ashes, which is the same for all games especially MMOs lately, is how long it takes to get them to a reasonably finished state. All game developers do have to do more than 15+ years ago, and other issues like the growing number of patents... idiotic high up managers... etc., and this has turned game development into a slog rather than the smaller intense game development groups we used to have. Sure indie games come along that are great with small teams but projects of this size simply need too many and it is a loadstone. The only hope are AI tools to help speed up some areas of development but they are too early stage now, maybe in 3-4 years.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@GP-ur6if I feel this. I personally now feel it’s a long road ahead. It’s crazy to think back at how WoW launched when it did

[@KrakhunGames]

You are making 2030 look more and more likely. 🧐

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@KrakhunGames 2030? Sir you’re way too optimistic (I’m probably kidding)

[@jefhope8252]

Lets be honest they promised too many things for it to actually happen

[@Nyce-Gaming]

We'll have to see, They haven't given us a reason to distrust but its indeed a very ambitious mmo. However if we even get 70-80% of whats promised it'll be better than most things we currently have.

[@WrenJeger]

>"The Ashes of Creation Problem" >Lists 25 problems Yeah sounds about right

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@WrenJeger Ashes of Creation Problem is the video title. I did NOT list 25 problems. The ‘problem’ was stated at the beginning of the video; being things are missing from a2 road map. The list was some of these things. I did not list 25 problems at all…

[@glennmiller5772]

Agree i hope they ditch combat pets. Pets create so many problems in other games ive played. Over complicated combat and clutter. Some times causes lag when you have hundreds in frame. They could do something like ESO where the player pet is like a companion when playing solo or to replace a missing person in a group.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

Yea for sure. It’s just unnecessary clutter and takes away from summoner archetype identity imo

[@tripxiii5496]

I don't think the bounty hunter system will amount to much. If they already punish people for going red by dropping gear and mats on death PLUS all the gear degradation and other penalties there will be no pvper's for you to hunt. If there are they will be in crap gear they don't care about and debuffed to the point that they will be dead before you get to them. They could also just have a buddy kill them so they can get their gear back but then there is still the problem of exp loss to deal with.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@tripxiii5496 yes it’s one of those social experiments. We’ll have to wait and see how players respond to the existence of corruption penalties. Are corrupted players too seldom? Too common? Too punishing? Tough to say , but sounds fun to be a bounty hunter

[@andrewbako9494]

Maybe it's because I'm older maybe it's because I'm not as heavily invested in AOC as much as I am looking forward to it. I just don't understand all the hate that intrepid is getting over some changes they made to how they're doing things. You have to keep in mind this is a brand new studio some of these people have lots of experience but Steven made a lot of promises early on maybe naively so he's doing the best he can to honor but at the same time he has to think about what is the best way to present this to the community and the world and maybe some of his earlier promises don't align with what actually turns out to be the best for ashes, the community, and the initial impression that everyone gets. My thought is by the time ashes of creation is released probably in 5 to 10 years if everything works and is as good as AOC has an opportunity to be this will all be forgotten and Steven knows it. I'm looking forward to joining alpha 2 phase 3 next year but will be following along with everybody through the first two phases hoping that things are appropriately functioning for an alpha 2 phase

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@andrewbako9494 I feel criticism is fine, but definitely not the hate so I agree. However with them promising certain things over the years; it causes expectations. And when players got blind-sided by the phases they were disappointed because well it’s an open development so it should have been on the radar sooner. But honestly like I said in this video, they’ve shown sooo much progress and still have my faith that they will change the genre. I truly think they’re trying their best as an indie studio

[@LiLAlbiHD]

Wedding system im dead 😂😂

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@LiLAlbiHD

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

Balding? I appreciate the joke, dawg, but my hair is down to my belt.. It took me over 20 years to grow it this long.. And, I won't be classified with the George Costanza's of the world. hahaha.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@nervosadustbolt9642 ok fine you’re one of the few exceptions

[@Grimasaurus]

I think people really need to listen to Steven saying "Alpha 2 is not a game"... I suspect it's going to be a sh*t show... hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised.

[@LiLAlbiHD]

What they need to do is under-promise and way over-deliver

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@LiLAlbiHD I think it’s too late for this, but tbf I think they’ve been trying to subvert expectations for the alpha 2 test specifically. Under promise and over deliver is definitely the way to go

[@squatchbigfoot8577]

it's RichieSH fault!

[@eljuanzo4249]

What’s with ppls anti-pvp stand? Like I get it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but a lot of ppl live a breath for it. I’m eager to test pvp combat, dueling, & flagging systems the most.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@eljuanzo4249 if someone is super anti-PvP then this just isn’t the game for them. However things should be balanced to not be a gank box for sure. I’m eager to test all the systems

[@ApolloDarling]

I foresee a "way of the leaf" guild where they are pacifists and just allow themselves to die like Obi-Wan, causing the perp to be corrupted. Shout out to the Wheel of Time book series.

[@glennmiller5772]

Yeah i was really looking forward to testing out all the classes when alpha comes out with my friend. My main interest is pvp and learning the strengths and weaknesses of every class and learn each inside and out. But i guess i can go explore if thats what they think needs testing for now. Im certain player combat will need tweeking too.

[@blueravine]

"These features are missing" starts with dueling, goes into bounty hunting lol. My dude, they don't even have complete classes yet and you're over here wanting gameplay loops. #4 node advancement is explicitly listed in wave 2 as being the main focus to be node related...Then you go into... mules and gameplay areas? This is an alpha. Videos with engagement asking for these systems is nonsensical when they're just trying to finish classes and network connectivity.

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@blueravine did you skip the whole beginning of the video? I think you completely missed the intent here. These are features missing from their current road map and discussion on what was expected by a majority of players at alpha 2 launch. Saying “this is an alpha” doesn’t really apply here. Idk how I could’ve been more detailed than the first chapter of this video to avoid a comment like this. It’s ok to provide feedback and point out the amount of things missing that intrepid themselves promised us were coming. They are indeed trying to finish classes and network connectivity. These are the priorities. ‘Missing features’ as I mentioned is referring to features missing FROM THE ROAD MAP not the a2 launch

[@oobiies]

whoa Nyce, u sure u want to hold a gun to their head like this?? P.S. I appreaciate these videos a lot. Holding Intrepid accountable is the most important thing we can and should be doing. It makes me think that the small community of so called "doomers" arent so crazy

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@oobiies there’s some sanity there for sure But yea I feel it’s ok to be respectfully critical in feedback if you want to see intrepid succeed

[@jzeat1480]

Nyce lookin a bit feminine in that thumbnail 😂

[@Nyce-Gaming]

Was I pretty tho?

[@jzeat1480]

@@Nyce-Gaming ye

[@creez9998]

duelling wont be there because people will spend less time testing

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@creez9998 as I mentioned, I think dueling in itself will be testing. They are still playing the game. Also the current content available will last but so long. I personally don’t think people waited for this game this long to sit around JUST dueling and not exploring the world

[@Drazyhaze]

This game will never launch

[@Nyce-Gaming]

@@Drazyhaze have faith! It’s all we have left

[@WildOink]

9:32 almost triggered me for a downvote!

[@Nyce-Gaming]

lmaooo sorry