Natlan exploration and sorting through new lore

[@iqbalfauzi6310]

About Mavuika has her fire hair back when saving the group (apart from it's her consciousness), I thought it's because she use her collections in her chamber as a "fuel" because beside containing memory of the people who wield it, it also has a "fire" accumulated from them across the years. And Mavuika use that to save them. At least that is what I understand, which is why I thought it make sense for me. cmiiw.

[@Kekekekenn]

This is exactly what happened yeah, the objects had fire in them because they were carried in battle, meaning mavuika can use that fire

[@nahidakusanali942]

Yeah!, I think the same thing!

[@charactername111]

Reminds me of Aranara trading memories for power.

[@ncpolley]

A friend of mine pointed out that the traveler can be seen in the first cutscene with Mavuika and Capitano and because of that, I'm pretty sure that the cutscenes were animated for a scrapped original draft.

[@svenrybka7313]

Understood it the same way. She burned the stuff in her room to get a power up she would not be able to use anymore.

[@minhlong3470]

24:40 I rewatched the cutscene. The traveler failed to touch the light, and even if they succeeded, I don't think they would have enough time to pray either

[@sunglassfrog89]

Yeah I rewatched it too and its different light from the one that shines the group, honestly to me Natlan act 1 and 2 storytelling wise is on par with fontaine act 1 and 2 but its just different flavor like if u dont like shonen anime, fighting anime, natlan archon quest probably not ur cup of tea because natlan feels like shonen anime to me with the power of names and friendship

[@Kekekekenn]

@@sunglassfrog89 tbh if it was all about power of friendship, the main crew wouldn't have needed mavuika to rescue them. They would've been able to work together to make it out, but they couldn't. Tho it does give shounen vibes, which makes sense considering the themes of the nation itself.

[@sonjaquan5775]

your point about languages changing how a culture thinks is self-evident, but a lot of research has been done in the area as well. for example, there is a indigenous tribe in the South Pacific, if I recall correctly, that includes directional indicators as part of their language syntax, and as a result the number of individuals in that tribe that exhibits the skill of dead reckoning is enormous as opposed to the very small percentage of everyone else in the world that has that skill. if I am understanding your point about Chinese being a "larger box", it being a homophonic language means that a skilled practitioner of the Chinese language can pack multiple meanings in a single sentence and each layer can add nuance or humor or whatever as the case may be, which a skilled observer can pick up on.

[@kiaradoesart9682]

Chinese is a god-tier language for poetry, have to say. It can wordplay like English just can't

[@malkavian4120]

I see nothing wrong or out of place about them flying. We’ve seen all the archons and some harbingers in their battle form casually levitating. And this is the first time we see such battle between archon and harbinger. Of course it will be more dynamic and epic. It maybe something we didn’t use to see but it doesn’t mean it’s out of place.

[@Kekekekenn]

@@malkavian4120 right, it would be weird for literal godlike beings to have a simple sword fight.

[@kyl4d]

Levitating and flying are very different yall are not listening to the complaint.

[@Kekekekenn]

@@kyl4d if someone can levitate it's only logical to assume they can fly. Also, in the literal first scene in the whole game, the sustainer of heavenly principle is flying. Flying has been a thing in genshin since literally DAY ONE

[@kyl4d]

@@Kekekekenn Birds can't levitate but they can fly so just stop it .

[@Kekekekenn]

@@kyl4d what do birds have to do with gods in a video game with magic 😭😭😭 genuinely this is like speaking to a wall.

[@calebv123]

I gotta agree on the “moving so fast that they’re just lines in the sky” flying in that cutscene. It was pretty jarring, and I was a bit disappointed that so much of the fight was abstracted that way. I would’ve loved to see more of the blow-for-blow choreographed battle that used more of the arena, which they did have. I loved those parts. And what I especially liked were seeing their respective elemental powers in action. Those Ice spikes and pillars vs the sun-like explosions and fireballs were something to behold for sure.

[@Infelious]

I'm only part way through but did anyone mention the Seele in the Night Kingdom that helped us out escaping from the Abyss? Its literally the only Seele and it conveniently has access to Anemo.

[@baguette_connoisseur]

Barsibatos the drunkard. For once he ain't useless

[@baguette_connoisseur]

Okay, genuinely: what’s the problem with flying? Nahida definitely flew. She didn’t just hover. Look how far above ground she was. Ei didn’t fly because there was no need to. But we see Ei in demo staying airborne above Yashiori Island no problem. Zhongli didn’t fly onscreen because he didn’t need to. That guy literally threw stone spears at gods. How would he throw them like that WITHOUT flying? He obviously flew a lot during the Archon War.

[@Kekekekenn]

Literally this is a magical world, of course super powerful people can use magic to fly lmao

[@pindbaas]

Imo it’s just boring it was way cooler when the traveler used the arms of scaramouche to hit him in the face then it would have been for him/her to just fly up there but that might just be me

[@Kekekekenn]

@@pindbaas the traveler literally can't fly, that's why they couldn't do that lmao

[@pindbaas]

Yes but there was not already lore that said that mavuika or capitano uses flight in battle so why not make them not be able to and make the fight seem cooler imo

[@Kekekekenn]

@@pindbaas there isn't lore for any of the other fatui or archons being able to fly but they can still do it. Also "cooler" is subjective, what you find cool isn't what everyone finds cool.

[@ncpolley]

People are kinda freaking out about Ashikai disliking the flying. I strongly disagree with her, but have you not noticed this is a thing she does? She has quirks of opinion that just stick in her brain. I find it both charming and sometimes frustrating (when I disagree), but tbh its probably why shes so good at making these lore videos. Chill out. Give the woman a break.

[@ourdestiny_]

freaking out ? so far people are trying to explain or understand i dont know why u voice it like its a concern its ok to confront different opinion and people seems to be respectful ?

[@Enlotherover]

I'm surprised you didn't like the archon quest. I think they did pretty good especially since we knew nothing about Natlan. Your example about Mavuika not taking a photo before she lost her flame hair was just comedic relief. I dont think we were supposed to think to deeply into that lol. But I also agree some things were kinda awkward in the quest, just not the things you mentioned.

[@sclom5676]

I think it's a little more than comedic relief (though maybe it's because I honestly didn't find it funny), It's her trying to be comedic in a fairly grim situation to lighten the mood, it shows what kind of person she is. Also, even if you do think "that deeply" it still makes sense as it was the one last burst of power (that we know of).

[@TheDeluche]

I think essentially all the archons have some sort of off-field mechanic. Venti has his ult, Zhongli his pillar, Raiden Shogun her baleful omen, Nahida has her seed of skandha, Furina has her little animal friends. Wouldn't be surprised if Mavuika was the same way.

[@LoisyAbigail]

Ohhh, the fire hair working one last time didn't bother me, because Mavuika needed to sacrifice her antique collection to do it. And she can't photograph her consciousness (????).

[@Kekekekenn]

@@LoisyAbigail she could use the fire hair because the objects had fire in them, pretty easily explainable. Objects have fire > mavuika uses objects > mavuika uses fire hair. Idk why that would bother anyone tbh

[@corneliasaint3919]

Ashikai mentioned in one of her videos that Genshin is a XianXia. And in XianXia stories, Deities and immortals are able to fly no matter what element they use which is the same with Genshin with Mavuika being a very high ranking deity and the captain being an immortal most likely a deity too, it’s not really surprising that they were flying around like that.

[@kyl4d]

Mavuika is not a deity or immortal and we don't know much about Capitano's conditions.

[@corneliasaint3919]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kyl4dShe is literally the Pyro archon and the God of war, how is she not a deity? She might not be an immortal but she’s definitely a god.

[@schopenhauer5427]

​@@kyl4dshe's a human ascended to godhood, you should look up the meaning of "deity" in the dictionary

[@kyl4d]

@corneliasaint3919 I have nothing to discuss with someone who didn't even pay attention to the dialogue in the archon quest. Mavuika herself said she's a normal human and that humans can only expand their lifespan if they are cursed or through divine powers from the gods . She has none, and that's why she placed herself in the sacred flame . She's not a God, end of the conversation.

[@kyl4d]

@schopenhauer5427 You should, too, and you should also read the dialogue in the archon quest. She herself said she's human, and so did the people of natlan . Not to mention that a human that ascended to godhood is no longer called human.

[@nahidakusanali942]

Well.. i think her hair is able to glows again for that moment cuz she used the "fuel"... Plus it makes more impactful and awesome scene for me personally, so i like it✨

[@theoldwayfarer9319]

Was Mauvika turning her collection into fuel an in-game version of burning artifacts as exp?

[@-nery-]

the parallels to 'Die unendliche Geschichte' (neverending story) by Michael Ende are accurate, I think. Not only did the world need help by an outsider to continue to exist, the story also becomes an endless loop before Bastian noticed that he was to help and that's like the loops that the toy people went through before you changed the situation. The Narzissenkreuz quest also said, that Teyvats cycles were about to end without a new variable introduced.

[@Leachros]

I love how Ashikai says she has to end the stream and I look at progress bar and this is half of her 4 hour stream

[@DropPourpre-ec3vj]

I think I understand what you mean about the archon quest and having details that bother you and break your immersion. I think it's because the details are about concrete and down to earth things, but in a fantasy world. If I take the light in the night kingdom for exemple, whether they have to [put their hand in the cone of light], or simply [be close to the cone of light], or [look at the light and pray] to get out, it's very concrete. But because it's not our world, it's a fantasy world, we don't know how it works and we can't linked it to our real world experiences. Everybody is going to be bothered by different details. Like I had no problem with the Natlan Aq, but Penacony in HSR drove me crazy because of that. I kept thinking "but how does it work ?" and I couldn't go with the flow of the story.

[@alexrosette596]

I agree that writing wise so far, these two acts of the AQ’s are a step down from Fontaine. It’s tricky because it’s nothing outrageously flawed, and it is entertaining and flashy enough that you can easily ignore its downs; but upon a more detailed analysis, you start seeing the issues with its story execution. My biggest complain would be the incorporation of Capitano. It was so underwhelming, he literally appears out of nowhere and vanishes just as quickly. I’m hoping this brief appearance amounts to something in the end, because right now it just feels like Hoyo wanted a cool fight scene between him and Mavuika, but couldn’t weave it coherently into the plot.

[@yesensei]

Same here. I think the fight with Capitano was distracting enough for most players to like the Archon Quests, but it didn’t hit the same for me as the first two acts did for Fontaine. It just felt lacking somehow. Maybe because it feels a little less cohesive? Like it just felt like we were going from one place to the next for no real reason. The entire part with Mualani’s tribe area felt so random, and that being the ending of Act 1 felt so meh. We didn’t even know for real if Atea died. Like it was mostly just implied. Act 2 was slightly better but Capitano being so hyped up but appearing from nowhere felt so random. I hope the following acts are better than this.

[@VaioletteWestover]

I think Capitano and Mavuika are two participants in one conspiracy that's not been fully explored yet and we've only seen the introduction of their respective gambit. I think Mavuika left her fire in him during the fight because she wants to make him one of the last two heros of Natlan. I think Capitano is trying to test Mavuika with the fight to see if she can actually save Natlan, if her plan is still on track. I think if they don't explore this avenue and retroactively give his introduction meaning, then it'll be weird and underwhelming but I think it's too early to tell. Keep in mind the archon quests are written as their 5-6 act wholes and players that keep up with the story are in the unique position where we literally don't have the whole story. Could they have made Acts I and II with his huge amount of exposition dumps and somewhat clunky interactions more refined as standalone stories? Of course, but depending on how they use the information shown in these quests in the subsequent archon quests, I think it also doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. We shall see.

[@bluecanary7937]

Nahida flies. Arlecchino flies. Childe flies. Wanderer flies. Ei floats in midair while levitating. Zhongli flies in an animated cutscene with azhdaha. ?

[@Kekekekenn]

Literally lmao the complaint is so nonsensical and nitpicky, they have magic

[@user-biscut]

​@@Kekekekenn she did say she disliked DBZ, so definitely a personal preference. (I personally thought the fight scene was too short. And Capitano looked weaker than I thought he'd be. Dottore seemed more menacing to me.)

[@Kekekekenn]

@@user-biscut tbh I won't judge capitano before I know what he's planning, plus all the other fatui had some sort of transformation and boss fight, so we haven't seen everything from him yet I'm guessing

[@Ilwenray85]

@@Kekekekenn Her problem is not that they fly, but that the choreography for aerial combat is very DBZ by nature. The more people that can fly, the more DBZ scenes she will have to endure. Levitation during a fight makes the scene majestic, flying makes it shonen xD

[@Kekekekenn]

@@Ilwenray85 unfortunately for her, she's playing an anime inspired game (that has its own anime in the works), so I guess she'll just have to get used to it. Plus the very first scene in the game is the travelers and the sustainer having a battle while flying, it's been a thing since the beginning of the game

[@captaindanger13]

1:48:09 "he doesn't fight me" "that's nice of him" famous last words XD

[@SilvoKnight]

Remember in enconomia where they talked about the elements but left out electro dendro and cryo? Couldn't the primal sea/fire be what they were talking about? And if that was the case then the primordial wind and earth could exist. 1000 winds being a primordial being with a secondary feature in time.. just like the primal sea is kinda a secondary feature in creation(?)

[@Kairi-ou]

Oh!!, I like this theory!! I like how that could go- …..buuuuuuut now I’m really REALLY desperate for Mondstat to finally have an expansion.

[@subidubiduda5293]

My biggest problem with Natlan is that I have zero connection to any of the characters. I am happy people love Kachina but personally I have no interest whatsoever in this type of character. Maybe i am too old or something. Out of all of them Capitano sparks the only interest for me due to him being from Natlan, the idea he actually plays fair, will probably defend Natlan too plus I like the design. But that is it. I was actually really underwhelmed by the whole idea of heroes fighting the abyss, dying and then hey, it's no big deal, we just ressurect them. It's such low stakes and the whole explanation in act 2 was pretty meh. I am also done with the power of friendship (that didn't even work, Mavuika has to save them thanks to the collection). Too much dancing. It's not that I don't like anything about Natlan, I do but so far, this is my most disliked region. Happy for people who like it, personally I will just wait for Snezhnaya. Everything seems to indicate it is way more my speed.

[@baguette_connoisseur]

Yep, I'm waiting for Snezhnaya eagerly. Natlan characters aren't very interesting

[@SirWhig-esq.]

Dark Crystal is a masterpiece. ❤❤

[@calebv123]

I do hope the upcoming acts play around more with the “the laws of reality don’t apply in the Night Kingdom” concept. Cuz so far the Night Kingdom was basically reality but puuuuurple haha (i love how it looks though)

[@ericsai744]

I couldn't continue to watch this live cause my city in Ontario got its wifi disabled 2 hour ago. Now I can watch without having to spend the extra-amounts of data. Thanks for being on KZbin and your informative commentary ❤

[@Frou-hsr]

I love, love, love your memoria theory and the king, queen being Thoughts and Physical. And thinking about golden kings like they are Stellerons makes most sense to me.

[@Nitrojmh]

What I also didn't get is: that the night warden wars are in the night kingdom, chasca and iansan have been there in the story with kachina to fight the Abyss. But when we entered the night kingdom with them they went "so this is the night Kingdom". But they should have been down there multiple times now... Idk if it's a translation mistake or if it just doesn't make sense.

[@ricardocea4078]

They went to fight the abbys but not in the night kingdom, it is said in the quest. You probably got confused because the abbys also invaded the night kingdom.

[@andrealiwanag6461]

watched this whole vod making kandi for a rave and just wanted to say that i love the depth of your interpretation of the game as a whole !! ur so awesome

[@Epon-c6u]

@@andrealiwanag6461 based

[@Der_Deku]

Could you maybe look into adjusting your volume a bit more? I don't know if I'm the only one with this issue, but your streams are really quiet so I always turn the volume up pretty high. That's no problem! but theeeen the ads are like twice as loud as your stream and my ears get blown away... The ads on these tend to be really frequent so constantly adjusting the volume is also a bit annoying since I'd like to just have these play in the background.

[@mishee_ms]

No it's not just you, I get blasted by the ads too after turning the volume up for the livestreams 😂 Thanks for pointing it out!

[@szywka.tworzy]

what, spiders in game have six legs???? i've never realized D: it ruined my world

[@koconnor117]

I feel similarly wrt natlan. After fontaine the bar is SO SO high imo. I'm enjoying it for what it is but I'm not really invested or emotionally connected

[@baguette_connoisseur]

Yeah... really unfortunate. In the first patch (4.0) I was already so invested. Natlan is good, but not incredible.

[@yarikkoshmarik1196]

People in this comment section legit scare me. You do know what a personal preference is right... And that sometimes people just like different things to a different degree? I didn't like the shonen-y stile of the cutsene either even tho my whole coming of age phase was accompanied by Naruto, One Piece, Bleach etc. There's nothing wrong with liking OR disliking this type of things. However, there *is* something wrong with dissing someone for their preferences in media at their own channel. No one forces you to not like the cutscene, flying or Capitano personally, stop being so worked up.

[@ummm6585]

1:53:10 wild speculation but could the vocals be associated with how there are no (or not much) seelies in Natlan. So far i notice that they play vocals when there is some connection one way or another to seelies, the moon sisters, istaroth or their shades but its a bit too broad to come up with a conclusion

[@deismuarti]

I totally get ashikais point. It felt underwhelming. The fight was too over the top. The story felt really "magic of friendship". The characters felt meh and honestly i was kinda cringing at some of the stuff they said. Capitanos entrence was underwhelming af. I couldn't focus on what was going on it was just bright explosion after bright explosion. that's only my opinion ofc.

[@nanyabish]

I started playing genshin again a few months ago and now I’m knee deep into the lore. Have been watching a ton of theory videos and I’m gathering a sort of theory of why the abyss sibling woke up in cataclysm time and the descendant sybling apparently kept missing for 500 years. Natlan has vey weak ley lines, making easier to the abyss have an influence in the place. Maybe they were in a coma near the night kindom where there’s no way that Irminsul could register the anomaly and somehow they moved from Natlan to Mondstat. I think their ancient name may reveal something about this past. And I have a feeling that the descendant sibling will die in Natlan, making the pyro archon go to the night kingdom herself to find them.

[@Kekekekenn]

@@nanyabish if your feeling turns out to be correct, it would be pretty awesome

[@zolo2036]

I agree with ashakai about the flying thing and the archon quest being Mehhh best part of natlan is the pokemon companions i named mine "Vibes" and hes the best

[@zolo2036]

imo i think sumeru was the peak for me maybe snezhenya will be better but imo its 1. Sumeru 2. Fonaine 3. Mondstadt 4. Liyue 5. Natlan 6. Inazuma vibe wise

[@lovelysan]

Same. The Archon Quest was very shounen-cliche and that’s just not my taste at all. That aside, YES, the world quests with the critters have been a delight. Lots of cool locations and concepts, even some creepy stuff. And even the NPC’s are unique and interesting.

[@Nami-wm2dx]

Honestly I'm really excited for you change in videos kind. First of all, I'm glad you're focusing on what helps you stay afloat three games, because if you're interested in the videos you're making then surely the audience will feel it, too! I did enjoy the recaps (falling behind with Story Quests has been a me issue since Sumeru, so... I was kind of keeping up through your videos :D) but honestly, as you said, there are other creators that make them, so why not show them some support too :3 Tuning in into the VOD of the livestream later on (timezones /der) but it will be very pleasant to keep it in the bg while I work through exploring Natlan :D

[@rayden54]

There's something bothering me about Traveller getting an Ancient name. I've heard a theory that says that the reason the Abyss sibling isn't a descender is because they let something tie them to the fate of the world. If names are tied to fate or "define your role" then doesn't receiving a name tie you to the fate of the world? On top of that there's some speculation that the Traveler will become the new Pyro Archon. If a name doesn't tie us to the world, then I think that absolutely would. I think we're supposed to realize that we should step aside. We're not the Hero of the story. We're the Witness.

[@galaxylife5783]

The Traveler is implied to be the hero of the story bc of how their character description says : "The keeper is fading away, the creator has not yet come but he world shall burn no more for you shall ascend" They are a witness but also a descender, who are known to be able to change the current world.

[@lagrimasdelibertad8]

If Teyvat ends up being just a book story, it will be the shittiest ending ever fr

[@baguette_connoisseur]

That’s what it will be lol

[@minhlong3470]

How about a dream?

[@Msra1234]

That's worst lol​@@minhlong3470

[@kiaradoesart9682]

AGREED, shit better be Real real or it's just a cop out

[@lagrimasdelibertad8]

@@baguette_connoisseur that's just lazy writing

[@BackelChurros-cr8mb]

I am very happy that you know about the neverending story! :D some bits of simulanka reminded me of it too, like the giving naming to people. If i remember correctly, memories are power in the bookworld too cuz memories inspire your creativity. It has been a very long time since i read that book as a child so i dont remember much of it, but i bet there are a lot of paralels! (There is even a nice dragon iirc)

[@doveslizleskiss2956]

i'm so excited for the deshret video!!!!

[@Kekekekenn]

"why are they flying?1?1?1?1?" As if we haven't seen nahida and ei fly, like they have the powers of gods? They can cleave mountains and change the landscape, why the hell would flying be off the table?

[@felipeospina3284]

4h of vod and you make like 5 comments about the same shit lmao

[@ikertamine]

@@felipeospina3284fr bro is pissed about the most minuscule thing ever and going on every comment about it 😭

[@AllMightyLordOfClams]

You need to chill man it really isn’t that serious

[@_elynas]

its just her preference. Genshin fans really need to not feel personally offended when someone has a different opinion lmao

[@S3Lgaming]

The way you laughed at the start it's either super sexy or Creepy i just can't tellllll.....

[@sunglassfrog89]

I also planning to pull for citlali and seeing her lore in the overworld and archon quest I dont suprised if she a 5* and one of the chosen heroes. Anyways I love your work and keep going with crack theory and unique concept

[@Anilyan13]

I'm at 39:37 and I don't know how you will elaborate, but exactly! I have been saying for a while that Phanes is not the Primordial One but rather the being born from.., the alchemical union/marriage between the primordial one and Istaroth. With istaroth likely being a seelie/moon/something of that family, which would parallel greatly with Chronos, and the PO might very well be Nibelung since contrary to what many people seem to think, there are many signs that the PO and Nibelung were at least not opposed to each other and instead were opposed to Celestia. While on the other hand having signs that Istaroth opposed Celestia too / helped the PO / helped Khaenri'ah as well (they literally use Ishtar's star as a symbol and the guards are called Serpent Knights) until she was betrayed by the Sinners / 6 Pygmies And... I have been dying too have some good theorist like you review my theory that >>>Venti, aka the prodigal son, is Phanes

[@aarowsilver3873]

Yeah it's so much fun diving of cliffs with geo sourian

[@DomainOfEden]

capitano being firefly's evil twin cryocrawl

[@viridianfox6172]

I think a lot of people misconstrued Ashikai's disliking Mavuika vs Capitano's battle. We've certainly seen archons and others casually levitate and glide through the air. But, that's extremely different from a DBZ fight, where they're flying through the sky to the degree that they did. And similarly, Capitano wasn't really built upon or given a foundation to being in Natlan. He was just there. And it was extremely underwhelming to see him ranked as the 1st of the Harbingers, yet get defeated by Mavuika who held back.

[@Literally_Luke]

I thought the time zones were off on the announcement and I was too early. Glad to catch this on the video side of the channel though!

[@Hope4dust]

I have some thoughts, don't know if you've said any of these already. I think the Abyss is getting worse for Natlan due to the completion of the Loom of Fate and that the Abyss order is going after Natlan first BECAUSE it has the weakest lay line connection. It'd make sense if they are trying to make their own lay lines, Natlan would be the best place to start. And for the Nail in the Night Kingdom...what if the Night Kingdom was actually once the "surface" of Natlan and at some point something happened, Celestia threw down the nail, hit the layline tree, which caused Natlan to "flip" and caused the lay line roots to get mostly severed and the ones remaining are badly damaged and weak because they aren't laying where they are supposed to.

[@amouramarie]

About the recaps, certainly, don't do anything you're not feeling. That will just burn you out - and your content will likely be better anyway if you focus on doing videos you're actually excited to do. :) Your audience will enjoy them whatever the topic is, so might as well do videos you enjoy as well! I'm underwhelmed by Natlan so far. I do think my enjoyment of the AQ will increase once it picks up again in 5.1 and 5.3, but so far the story isn't anywhere near Fontaine for me. I was so in love with Fontaine, I did know it would take an incredible effort to make me like Natlan as much, and so far it just isn't there. So far, Natlan is... fine. :/ Oooh, the Statues representing the final Archons there will ever be in really interesting! It's brutal that only the victorious can be resurrected - it's like forcing a Darwinian situation, where only the strongest are allowed to continue on into the future. The idea that what Natlan is going through is similar to Khaenri'ah's situation is interesting! Might explain why Wayob manifestations look like Abyss lectors.

[@sauravbabulal5445]

In the mural with the black dragon, that person on the right looks someone from the murals we find in dragonspine i think 2:59:57

[@uribove]

Okey brainrot theory: If the leylines contain memories (of the past) and box time states that past, present and future exist at the same time, then why couldn't the humans in Teyvat be the physical manifestation of the leylines, thus explaining why they are so deeply linked to them and affected by issues with the leylines

[@pleochronic3028]

something of note regarding the larger "box" for context is that attempts to be more romantic or suggestive are ironically as a result near invariably pointed, making the dimension of "Ambiguously Intentional Ambiguity" often* absent, which also can close doors of wordplay and interpretation as well when it comes to pluralities for meanings unless someone willfully takes on a state of borderline paranoia in their interpreting. This was especially relevant in the romantic movement, and in art of that vein that invokes mosaics and ritual. It brings to mind in japanese art when the screen is bombarded with text in movies and anime, because its the most efficient and dramatic way to capture the same utility / effect and kind of a necessity to get the same effect in full. it's a fun paradox to think of. so there are unique utilities for the simplicity of english (and similar languages), especially because if you include loan words and methodologies it can be decidedly not romantic (spirit of the movement, not necessarily linguistically), but as a result of parlance that is near exclusively irrelevant. A fun quirk of character based language shared with pictograms is the sheer inability to reverse engineer it without a rosetta stone or such due to it literally being the meaning so if you can't parse it visually without context or knowing which specific symbol it has roots in your just straight up screwed, which is why in south and central america its now commonly thought there were many written (or as of now, carved) alphabets but theyre just straight up impossible to relearn, this being relevant because there is a common methodology for ritual work with letter based language where you rip out the visual (but not necessarily the syllable) regardless of actual linguistic roots to create an emotional effect, which would function on an entirely different basis with characters. I guess point being, language does sculpt mindset and methodology, but also english in particular is used exceptionally poorly even by people incredibly educated in it, when it comes to leveraging its specific utilities and abilities and allowing that to open up thought and art, and that is true for other romantic languages. I think most secret societies had the right of it, sans bastardizing source knowledge, but not sans using an obsessive fetish for stoicism to lure in and scam rich people because thats funny (provided its not ruining lives or entire livelihoods).

[@pleochronic3028]

like, if you get hit with the whole "the moon is beautiful" thing in japanese, and at any point go on to mention the person if you were to follow it up, like, at all, the honorifics for the person saying it and who they're saying it too, or obvious changing of said honorifics for the atmosphere, will be obvious no matter what. By design, but also even if it weren't by design because someone downplaying it would probably try to avoid direct naming but also wouldn't say "anata" because that ruins the mood and makes it obvious they're avoiding establishing their perception of status / the atmosphere, but that avoidance of "anata" would also be obvious. Simply put, there are option selects built directly into interactions that make themselves known.

[@pleochronic3028]

put otherwise, the ambiguity of English's simplicity and lack of elaboration can be very effectively played with in positive ways (thought mosaics / webs being most important) that it just often isn't even by very skilled poets. It's hard to find examples, but it's like, portmanteau puns (not portmanteaus as a construct being seen as a type of pun, but multiple portmanteaus forming puns with one another to create a mental mosaic) where the omissions created by either words being plugged into a sentence compound on each other implying entire stories unto themselves whilst calling said stories into question. I'm not referring to short sentences that make allusions, which is giving me great difficulty in finding actual examples to make this less unhinged, like I'm near exclusively thinking of mystery cult ritual work. It's kind of the opposite approach to chinese poetry, where in that the sentences within sentences are formed by the suggestion of the words used and potential mindsets in their being picked. technically chinese and japanese can also do what im describing, but it would be pretty obviously a choice and direct the reader by default due to awareness of options otherwise, making it functionally indistinct from normal wordplay and having less room for interpretation over just...doing normal wordplay.

[@pleochronic3028]

the actual benefit of this function being the state of questioning and becoming forced by the structure of what your reading. IIRC poetry and writing in hebrew functions near identically, actually plays with this more, and does so effectively.

[@caseyburdick3203]

Not all the through the stream, and I know i'm late to it period. But how does the dragonspine seelies fit into your theories of seelies. No leylines, but they are there and flaming orange and heat. Are they like that because there are no leylines in dragonspine? What does that mean for Natlan?

[@Mobri]

I named my saurian Jasper. :)

[@genshin_lore_enjoyer]

14:46 yesss citlaly and xilonen wanter!! High five

[@paryaivachi]

Borderland as in the liminal place between life and death in teyvat? I might be completely wrong.

[@Shnzmnky41]

36:21 What’s a mushroom? I don’t understand…

[@cammokyle]

Re: Capitano's identity. I thought of another way he could be both the blood stained knight and have some kind of connection with Natlan. Perhaps back in the cataclysm he caught wind of Natlan's plight and helped them out, and earned himself an Ancient Name. We got told that our Traveller is going to have one made for him, what if we get access to Nightsoul from that point? Would explain how he seemingly had an aura around him in the fight as he's being protected by, and therefore connected to, the Wayob and Night Kingdom.

[@shyshka_]

HES NOT THE BLOODSTAINED KNIGHT lmao when will people let go of this dumb theory, it's just a side character genshin thought of to put into an artifact description, for world building, he's a minor lore irrelevant character, STOP with the bloodstained knight bs jeeesus.

[@cammokyle]

@@shyshka_ It's called alternative perspective my friend. I dont think he is either, its just a fun thing to think about. Calm down

[@iMeg_]

I didn't find Mavuika flying here and there a problem as long as they integrated that part to her ingame combat as well. Perhaps, she'll be like xiangling but also Xianyun who can fly or hop high or like literal fiery falcon/eagle/bird

[@baguette_connoisseur]

@@iMeg_ My bet is that the flying gameplay will be at C6 lol

[@Kekekekenn]

I don't think it should be off-putting at all tbh, we've seen nahida and ei fly too, and it wasn't in their kit

[@iMeg_]

@@Kekekekenn Ei and and Nahida just hover, none flies except for Venti and Xianyun and zooming Wanderer which is on brand cuz they're anemo. Tho that being said, I don't think Mavuika flies, she just hops like Superman

[@Kekekekenn]

@@iMeg_ nahida literally flew up towards wanderer, she didn't just hover a foot off the floor. Same thing with ei, in her trailer she's flying up pretty high. Flying is basically just slightly more advanced hovering anyway, so if a character can hover, they can almost definitely fly. Tho I would like for mavuikas kit to feature it, and it would make sense considering natlans movement mechanic focused gameplay.

[@iMeg_]

@@Kekekekenn okay, fair. I guess if we count Aether and Lumine fighting the sustainer at the beginning, they were flying too, the fight was DBZ fight too

[@Msra1234]

The way you said ibn sena surprise me it's the first time i see foreign say his name right especially the second time

[@bangtanssera]

as for me captano looks very rasputin-esque and for that reason I'm pulling for him

[@aRYaN-jl2qp]

I was sleeping fir half of it so now I watch

[@Koiiifish]

I named my little guy Nibelung. Surprised it let me do that, but still.

[@jolly782]

Personally loved both Archon quests, though I enjoyed the Act I more than Act II. Also agree about Capitano‘s introduction and fight. I‘m not a fan of the whole ‚the fight is supposed to be so intense and fast you can only see beams of lights and clashes‘ trope that happens a lot in Shounen series specifically, so visually I only enjoyed about half of the cutscene. And even though it‘s obvious that Capitano has personal reasons to fight Mavuika there, we as the audience don‘t know about them, or even about Mavuika‘s plan (at least not until later), so the stakes are really unclear as well. His introduction was really just a kinda-cool cutscene with very little weight behind it (for now?). Really hoping we learn more about him in later quests, bc for right now he‘s really just there and didn’t leave any kind of impact (on me at least)

[@izu1624]

Natlan is supposed to be battle shonen type of Arc so for me i love this region

[@sunglassfrog89]

@@izu1624 the most shonen anime region we ever got in genshin man I mean we got the famous tournament arc and even hotspring/onsen episode wait till in the end of natlan we will get beach episode 😆

[@Frosst]

I agree with Ash. Natlan felt weird, it felt like lazy writing on so many parts. The place is OKAY I guess, but the story felt off. Like no soul in certain parts.

[@ricardocea4078]

Which part? because it sounds more like a personal preference than a problem of the story. I would dare say that these two quests were better than most.

[@Frosst]

@@ricardocea4078 Meh to each his own, for me it felt bland. The overall story, the dialogue with the Archon. It felt soulless.

[@ricardocea4078]

​@@Frosst Ok, but why?

[@kiaradoesart9682]

42:49 Kaveh and Alhaitham (chemical) marriage confirmed 😂 I'm also finding the Natlan cast and Archon quest not as solid as previous regions- I wonder if we didn't hear anything about Natlan until just before it released because Hoyo was struggling with their design pillars for the region. So far the visual design for the characters seem to share "bright geometric patterns" and maybe "street culture", the former I think is too restrictive and the latter too culturally broad. Fontaine had the opposite- "steampunk" is much more specific in feel but also allowed for a great visual range. As for the writing, I agree that it's felt a little clunky. Super looking forward to your theories though since they usually help me feel more invested in the story! ETA: Probably because I'm in the southern hemisphere, but the springs are very Australia-coded to me. Something about the pavement screams Gold Coast/Sunshine Coast resort to me, the main building reminds me of the Sydney Opera House (also designed to look like sails), surfing is huge there, and Australia has a bunch of hot spring places despite the lack of volcanic activity. I guess all touristy places look the same but thought I'd throw that out there!

[@Adri79]

I just screamed when i heard that Ashikai watched more of Stargate as a kid. Cause me too!! I think this show one of the reasons why i am so into languages/history/religions. Just was really happy to hear that :>

[@jadecoolness101]

3:29:00 The issue with this take is that other similar effects (nahida skill, aimed bows, itto skill hold etc) all were still able to move fast. It was ONLY Neuvillette. Meaning they only edited Neuvillette, they added a speed limit on him and only him

[@KethusNadroev]

36:40 These stuff sound very much like the Cognitive Realm in the Cosmere. Wonder if anyone over at miHoYo reads Sanderson.

[@vivevery6498]

I assumed that mavuika died then went to the night kingdom for 500 years then was revived by someone idk who though

[@biapadilha4048]

Does anyone know where she announces when she’s going live?

[@allisonmorrison3762]

I have a question if natlan has no lay lines how does irminsul record the history of natlan because we know that all lay lines lead to irminsul

[@Kekekekenn]

They have laylines just weaker ones

[@allisonmorrison3762]

@@Kekekekenn oh I don't know that thank you for the information 😊

[@Kekekekenn]

@@allisonmorrison3762 oh no problem lol :)

[@ncpolley]

1:39:20 its not a story the Jedi would tell you.

[@RebekahHaasCrochet]

I agree about the Archon quest. It felt VERY lackluster after Fontaine. Sadly, the map is quite small too. 😭 Overall, I am disappointed in the update.

[@iseuls]

I'm also not hyped by the AQ1-2 of Natlan but I also feel this way in Fontaine. So I am waiting for the hook for the later AQ.

[@S3ymira]

Traveler will become fatui harbinger in Sneznaya.

[@actnow5927]

Agree completely about the execution of the archon quest. The dialogue was absolutely terrible. I feel this has been a trend starting with Cyno’s second story quest.

[@thanksglowingcoral2843]

Personally my critique of the Mavuika v Capitano fight is that it was too clean, and on my first viewing for the initial sequence where they were still on the ground I was a bit disorientated as to who was doing what, and how the scene was cut lessened the impact of things hitting each other that I would have felt. I would have liked Mavuika to appear more visibly beat up like how Neuvillette got scratched by Childe back in Fontaine since the both of them are meant to be equals. But aerial fights are the standard in shounen fantasy anime and the xianxia genre and I thought it conveyed how superhuman their strength was so I wasn't put off by that.

[@ncpolley]

The point of that scene is that Neuvillette was *not* scratched by Childe, and that he is far stronger. You cant wipe a cut off your face.

[@KethusNadroev]

Who is Mensleif, how do you spell the name?

[@hellother52]

minslief

[@lagrangewei]

paimon flys.... =]

[@TofuMasher]

Its too bad genshin cant seperate the archon quests with obvious character marketing in the main story. Theres obvious moments in the main story where it feels unnecessary for something to show up or it interrupts the flow so that they could sell a character banner. However thats why i love the world quests and the exploration where the writers have the creative liberty to write the lore and write how the traveler sees teyvat and the story of tetvat. The main story traveler and paimon act totally differently compared to the world quests. Not saying the archon quests are bad because there needs to be a compelling story in order for people to play it and its not what I said happens every moment in the screen but you can see sometimes see it. At the end of the day I still love the archon quests just not as much as the world quests

[@Kekekekenn]

@@TofuMasher the way I see it is the archon quests are for casual players and everything else is for lore players. All my favorite quests are world quests, and I can't be mad at hoyo for wanting to sell their characters, since if they don't sell they obviously can't make more games ect.

[@motemo8413]

honestly i love the world quests but i can't name a single world quest that i like more than Sumeru act 5 or Fontaine act 5 for example. those two are 10/10 masterpieces. same with Wanderer Interlude and Dain quests(those are included in AQ). don't think any WQ is better than them. also i am not sure who u are referring to when u say integrated character marketing for the sake of it except Chasca(this is an obvious one) everything else felt pretty natural to me

[@Frou-hsr]

Ashikai, that pray to the light thing bothered me too!! And jumping up didn't seem as efficient to me as just aiming for the light on the ground...

[@connie3011]

I can't take your complaints about the AQ seriously. They're very nitpicky.

[@brennanwn]

Yep

[@Kekekekenn]

Extremely nitpicky

[@sunglassfrog89]

Honestly its just different flavor than fontaine probably Ashikai doesnt like shonen anime or similiar to that so its fair enough because natlan act 1 and 2 its the most shonen anime stuff we got in genshin

[@Kekekekenn]

@@sunglassfrog89 that's fair but seeing her criticizing natlan over things that happened in other quests but didn't bother her then, makes it seem like she just wants to complain for the sake of it.

[@tuinhoofd1923]

For me personally, a lot of things that seem nitpicky individually really add up to be greater than the sum of their parts, that's how I felt about the aq so far, and from ash referencing having other issues, I feel like she probably does too

[@captaindanger13]

"i don't deliver logic, i deliver crack." - ashikai 2024

[@Pondyzrytte]

Honestly, I skipped the ranting portion because it's pointless to listen to something about personal preference. 😂

[@theRaika]

Just a thought, you think the celestial nails are the remnants of the P.O? Isn't it funny the P.O is stated to be sleeping/loss it's original functions. Could it be, over the many years having to cure the lands/get rid of the abyssal corruption, they sacrificed parts of themselves in the form of these massive nails. After giving up all them selves they're now no longer complete or maybe sealed off.

[@АлинаМижурова]

the point about Diluc being related to Vanessa....I reeeally doubt it He's a Ragnivindr. And Ragnivindr clan were nobles in Mond, IN TIME when Vanessa's tribe was inslaved. So the only way Diluc could be connected to them, is if someone from his clan had a child with someone from the tribe. Could it be the source of his red hair? Maybe, but I doubt it'd be Vanessa, plus we already saw someone REALLY similar to Diluc 2600 years ago, and Ragnivindrs became nobles for a reason. Could this person be from ancient Natlan? Well, maybe?

[@guilhermecatapangraziotin3602]

I do kindoff agree in some of your points about the execution of the archon quest I feel like chasca's and Iansan's introduction was very weird. I think they could've easily introduce them in the opening ceremony or when kachina was getting bullied. However, my favorite idea would be to have Iansan fight and win (and consequentially disquallify) kinich, as his loss kindof came out of nowhere :/. For chasca i really wanted to have her beat the traveler. (Honestly i wish they were able to partake in the pilgrimage as well - we could say that they wouldnt be able to make contending fire - which would have them at a disadvantage or something.) And if they were to be able to fight against chasca, we could foreshadow the "violence issues" chuchuy implied she has when they had an argument. For the capitano fight, i totally agree that it came out of nowhere, when neuvilette said that he had thrown his hat in the ring of war it was implied that his presebce there was already known i guess? There were moments where his party-crashing coulve been foreshadowed. As for the fight, i dont really mind the dragon ball z flying much. After all, us latin americans love Goku lol. But i do understand that it came out of nowhere. I would've liked more if mavuika turned into a phoenix like we've seen in the teaser trailer. For capitano, we dont really know the extent of his powers, and i could be satisfied with him flying if he has some relation with dragons, like some theories suggest. Now, for the night realm rescue, i also thought it was strange how it happened. It would be an esay fix to just have them say to "reach into the light" instead of "look into the light and pray". But as for mavuika's hair, i have to disagree with you since it was the item's memories and what they symbolize that were what gave her the power to rescue them, not the fact it was her consciusness. But i think the whole ordeal was executed pretty messily, lol.

[@uribove]

I did lvl kachina to 90, like 1/7/6 talents and R5 rainbow polearm because i kinda like her, but also her artefact set can be moved to Xilonen when i get there

[@hellother52]

28:01 that's how i exactly felt and i thought WQs would cover that atleast but i think they are written by the same writers

[@egrace17]

the whole never-ending story being scary as a kid part relates to me on a whole other level. I am STILL terrified of movies like that to this day! lol glad to see others who feel the same.

[@SonicGintoki]

nooo the stream just ended while something great in background while I play WuWa and Genshin :D

[@TheMantheon563]

ohh wow, here i am thinking that this, along with Sumeru's, is the best AQ1-2 so far and by a lot lol and like, hey to each their own, but if someone found Fontaine's AQ1-2 better than this i guess i just dont get you

[@Kekekekenn]

@@TheMantheon563 I completely agree with you, I liked the later Fontaine quests way more than the first two

[@ncpolley]

Yeah Fontain 1-2 sucked, where 3-5 were pretty good. The 1-2 in Natlan are among my favorites. Way more coherent than Fontaine.

[@Asmodelta]

Genshin has such a massive audience, it should be no surprise that there's such a big variety of preferences. Personally I think Fontaine's AQ1-2 is second only to Sumeru's, whereas Natlan's felt on par with Inazuma.

[@Lukz243]

While I'm still torn on how I feel about the archon quest, I agree with some points, especially the Mavuika and Capitano flying in their fight feeling a bit weird.

[@user-biscut]

Yes, I agree. There were some strange parts to that fight. (I didn't mind the flight, it just felt really sudden, too short and like both were definitely holding back.)

[@Kekekekenn]

@@Lukz243 did you feel weird about the flying in a ton of other scenes too? The opening scene literally had the traveler and sustainer fighting while flying....

[@kyl4d]

​@@KekekekennYou're literally everywhere, you're mad that she didn't like the execution of THIS fight but why are you coming for everyone that agrees with her ? People have different preferences and there's nothing wrong with that ,the points she choose to complain about can be expanded to a margin where yall would shut up bc there'd be nothing to be argued about.

[@Kekekekenn]

@@kyl4d saying "in my opinion I just didn't like the scene" is perfectly fine. I'm coming at people who are acting like this is the first time anyone in the game has flown and acting like the scene breaks the worldbuilding ect. Saying you just don't like the choreography of the scene is fine, but complaining that they're flying when flying has been a thing since the start of the game is the issue. That's all.

[@kyl4d]

@@Kekekekenn I completely agree but again you're not listening to the complaint, she and a lot of people, me included , did not like the execution of the fight , that doesn't necessarily mean that we dislike all the elements of the fight such as their ability to fly , except I personally do bc why are mortal humans flying and you can argue Capitano is immortal which I won't deny bc I don't know if he is but Mavuika is a very normal human that ages and that's made clear in the archon quest multiple times.

[@aaronyogurt8723]

no flying fight.. its forbidden knowledge ❌❌

[@nothanks2417]

Agree soo much on the capitano mavuika fight I thought they looked kinda stupid when they started flying

[@TakliBansuri]

Marvel polygon fruit slicer scene fr

[@NahualUlloa]

To me it made sense since these characters are at the level of gods, this isn’t the traveler fighting, they wouldn’t fight a simple sword fight. These are characters that were present at the abyss invasion 500 years ago and want to oppose Celestia. Archons were supposed to cut through mountains, shook the earth, bring down meteorites and change entire landscapes while fighting seriously, Nahida also was able to fly and now we are acting surprised when both start flying?

[@Nyaahahaha]

@@NahualUlloa Well said. These two are way more powerful than most characters we met. I am so glad we are finally seeing this side of an Archon ,feels like they are on another level and they SHOULD feel like they are.

[@baguette_connoisseur]

@@NahualUlloaWho says Mavuika and Capitano want to oppose Celestia?

[@TakliBansuri]

@@NahualUlloa but why are they flying? I don't have a problem with them being able to fly, but we've been given no reason as to how. They're not anemo, don't have wings, aren't dragons, and don't even use the ATLA logic where firebenders can fly under the power of sozin's comet. The fight scene could have been so much more informative if the design choice was not flying polygons. Make capitano a juggernaut. Ice veined hellhound, immovable object type fighter against mavuika who's an unstoppable force.(Not a hot take but capitano should have been a great sword user like mavuika. That way you show how the same weapon fights differently under opposite elements and style)But no. They're just powerful wobbly colours on my screen.

[@MariLaTaupe]

your taste in character is immaculate ! we have the same top 3 ! for the girls, kuki is my top girl and if i like the two other, they are sadly not my fav :(