Viewers Mistakes #12 | Overtake Without Thought

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Back to my A to F ratings for my viewers clips sent in when they know they've made a mistake. There's a few dodgy overtakes in this batch.
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[@Hill_Walker]

For me, the volvo in clip 2 grts an F. I cant give him an equal score the the cammer in that clip. This is because the volvo driver made the decision to overtake with less vison than the cammer. Add to this, the volvo was too close to the cammer and way to close to the cyclists.

[@raymondbenjamins5884]

Agreed. At least the cammer gave the cyclists enough room, even if they shouldn't have overtaken to begin. The Volvo saw even less than the cammer, didn't even know if the cammer could complete the overtake and didn't leave enough room for the cyclists. There's no way I'd give them the same mark.

[@khalidacosta7133]

Agreed, as a cyclist, cammer was annoying. Volvo was dangerous. That's the difference.

[@andycole6982]

Absolutely. In addition to being unsighted, what is also dangerous in following someone in their overtake is you have put your fate in their hands. You need them to complete the overtake in time for you also complete your overtake. If they complete this just in time you could be facing an oncoming vehicle with nowhere to go. Always leave yourself in control of your decisions by waiting until you have space.

[@ColinP-yo2mz]

First clip; C/D for the viewer, misjudged the situation. But F for the Audi, one of those situations where the mentality is “I have right of way so I don’t care if we crash as you are the one in the wrong”. I don’t value my right to enforce my right of way as much as I value my own safety or having an undamaged car.

[@cactusbase3088]

Exactly. One made a mistake, the other deliberately caused a collision. Drivers with that sort of mentality should be banned, full stop.

[@ibs5080]

@@ColinP-yo2mz Very much agree with that last sentence you wrote. Well put.

[@TheCatBilbo]

It's surprisingly common though! Risking, or even having, a collision based on 'being right'. We often take a moral high ground when driving & can feel aggrieved if someone does something stupid, or wrong. No surprises. It depends on whether that affects our driving. 'MY road!' must have caused so many accidents. I entered a mini roundabout slightly too late & a driver drove straight at my offside, without slowing, to 'punish' me & assert their 'rightness'. A second off the gas & no issue but I see this behaviour too often.

[@Rroff2]

Personally I never ever expect someone coming the other way in a situation like that to pull into a small space especially if following on another vehicle regardless of what the highway code, etc. may allow for it is just being a knob in my opinion. Downside is though you then get people, equally knobs, who'll take advantage of that to push through as well which is probably a lot of the reason why many people drive like the oncoming car :(

[@notmenotme614]

How dare the Audi driver get crashed into by someone else who caused the collision

[@robinthebobin6537]

6:30 is a brilliant advert for safe following distance. The viewer misread the situation, and went to overtake too early - but because of their following distance and awareness, they were able to correct the issue in no time without causing much danger. Very good management of an honest mistake

[@jpldriver]

@@robinthebobin6537 Yes, reduce speed,drop back to give yourself time,and space! Most drivers do totally the wrong thing.If the car in front is going slowly you drop back,most get closer because they have never been trained about overtaking correctly.All they have done is pass a very simple basic driving test,and have no real skills!

[@davidbuchan2909]

Surely the first one was a D for both since there was an actual collision. Even if no damage was done, hitting another can is shocking.

[@DontPanicDear]

The Audi was even worse, as they didn’t slow, or move left at all. They had every opportunity to avoid the contact!

[@HoratioChinn]

@@DontPanicDear The Audi had moved over to the double yellow lines on their side of the road so they couldn't move over much further and with the position of the camera car on the right it's amazing they just touched wing mirrors

[@b3108]

E, or F, or even lower

[@markwilson7013]

Was going to say the same... also, the Audi left the scene of an accident without stopping! I wouldn't say that was a pass 😅

[@DontPanicDear]

@@HoratioChinn I can retract my ‘At all’ part. However, the width of the yellow lines, plus the same again was still available, after a frame by frame look. All usable road surface well over 300mm wide. I agree, it looked like a wing to wing crash was going to happen, but I guess a wide angle lens makes it look closer than it was.

[@ibs5080]

The clip at at around 4:28 with the group of cyclists ahead and the white Volvo close behind. It's all too easy to feel pressured to overtake in a situation like that but very important that your decision to overtake isn't influenced by someone close behind you. Especially if they've already been close behind you on the lead up to encountering the cyclists. Remember that overtaking other moving road users is optional and not compulsory.

[@raymondbenjamins5884]

Well said. The pressures others put on you can feel really bad and frustrating, but you shouldn't change what you're doing because of it. If you make a bad mistake because of it, you're the one that made the mistake, not the person pressuring you. I'm not compromising on safety, just because an asshole behind wants to arrive at their destination 5 seconds quicker (let's be honest, most situations like this won't cost you much time at all, if it costs anything at all).

[@ibs5080]

@@raymondbenjamins5884 Likewise, very well said. Especially the point about if things go wrong, it won't be the person who pressured you that will be responsible l. All the more reason to make your own decisions and not based on what some complete stranger is trying to get you to do. Personally I would never try to pressurise another road user into carrying out a risky manoeuvre and I really don't understand the mentality of those that do.

[@martinhutchinson9265]

Exactly this. A lot of drivers make bad, rushed, decisions when being tailgated like this. The Volvo's overtake was much worse than the cammer, but there was no way the first one was ever on, as it forces the oncoming vehicle to brake.

[@andycole6982]

If I'm in that position and feel that the following driver will but a vulnerable road user at risk with a reckless overtake I will hold off on a marginal overtake for a clearer road so that if they do follow me like the white Volvo did the other road users are not put into too much danger,

[@kalkoeng6325]

the volvo in the second clip deserves an F imo. blindly following the car in front is just stupid and dangerous!

[@JohnCarlyle]

It was actually worse. The Volvo had nowhere to go after committing.

[@PedroConejo1939]

So many people do it though. They imagine the world will simply adjust to them. The classic is the give way on a chicane, where they just blindly follow each other, know full well that they'll get away with it.

[@horrortackleharry]

This is timely- yesterday I was driving down the A143 (single carriageway), where the Tour Of Britain is passing through today. Well as is the custom the day before, local sports cyclists like to ride the route (but with no traffic restrictions!). There were several riders in both directions. It was tricky, but I think I did OK with several passes. But you'll be pleased to know that a works van decided to overtake me in frustration at my not overtaking quite as quickly as he would like. And yes, a full 20 MINUTES later and well beyond the cyclists, I was still directly behind him- so overall he gained about 3 seconds on his day with a dangerous manoeuvre.

[@glenn1534]

This is no surprise. I find that people don't get angry at being held up, they get angry at *feeling like* they're being held up (even if they're not). I bet even though the van driver gained no time and made a risky overtake, he still felt better in himself because he made the move.

[@smilerbob]

4:12 I have been in the Land Rovers position before on a straight section of road when a van tagged behind another vehicle passing cyclists. Quick stop mode…activated Why do so many ignore rule 163 “You should… - not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one vehicle”

[@PedroConejo1939]

The Volvo driver at 3:47 is - in my opinion - a significant part of the problem there by getting too close and pressuring the cammer to make an overtake they quite probably would not have done without the Volvo that close behind them. I believe the pressure some drivers put others under to drive to a lower standard is not given enough attention - except on a small number of channels like this one. It's the same, ubiquitous mindset that sees drivers dangerously tailgating others on motorways, trying to make them pull into gaps that really aren't suitable, all in the hurry to do the same thing to the car in front of the car they're currently tailgating. Also important is to drill into drivers how not to yield to the pressure - this can be far more difficult for some than others. As Mr Typo said, 'I intend to drive to my highest standard, not to your lowest'.

[@speedstyle.]

Not letting it affect you is the more important part - because the pressure is often entirely invented.

[@cupofcustard]

Spot on. I drive on rural roads regularly (try and say that one correctly!) and drivers that bully others into stupid overtakes on lanes with high hedges/sharp bends are the absolute worst. I would have given the volvo a lower grade tbh.

[@0zzyp0zzy]

@@speedstyle. I think in some ways it should affect you to be honest. I got into a minor accident at a junction because I was a little bit too hesitant to pull out and moved forward a tiny bit then stopped and missed an opportunity. Car behind me had been tailgating pretty bad and crashed into me in hindsight I should have been more decisive and/or let the tailgater in front.

[@ibs5080]

Really well put. I also commented on this clip and specifically the aspect of being pressured to overtake.

[@grimsbyhackney479]

@@0zzyp0zzy I can't agree with this. I can think of no circumstance where rear-ending someone can be justified. Not even the one you've described.

[@Mysixshooter]

It still amazes me why some drivers lack the skills to safely pass a cyclist, it really isn’t hard. 😡

[@ChrisBrown-px1oy]

The skill to make a decision to pass safely or wait seemed equally wanting here.

[@davidknight5863]

I think because drivers are in a protective cage and they can't physically get hurt they decide to risk knocking a cyclist off his bike, usually due to impatience. I'm sure the highway code states you have to give a cyclist 3 feet clearance , but quite often this doesn't happen.

[@Mysixshooter]

@@davidknight5863 the Highway Code says a driver must give 1.5 meters or 5 ft when passing a cyclist and more when travelling over 30 mph.

[@deanwaller1029]

@@davidknight5863 As I've pointed out sometimes; drivers are in a steel cage with crumble zones, seatbelts, airbags, anti-lock brakes and dozens of safety features... I'm wearing a polystyrene hat. 🤔

[@DavidWhatfor]

50% patience 50% ignorance

[@petegreenfield8366]

Came round an almost 90 degree blind bend the other day to be faced with a big 4x4 coming the other way and overtaking a cyclist. Glad I’d been watching your videos, Mr Neal, as it meant I was prepared to stop and avoid. I think you get me out of the sh1t about a dozen times a week, so thank you very much. Dashcam being fitted on Wednesday!

[@oliverpolden]

Remember, if you have a car behind you when overtaking cyclists, you have some responsibility in protecting those cyclists from the car behind you.

[@davidthornton3346]

From the number of incidents I've seen in these clips with lorry drivers, anytime I'm on the motorway with lorries I make sure I'm never sat in their blind spot for any longer than is necessary.

[@peterrhodes6683]

Since an inattentive lorry driver changed lanes to the left into the space occupied by my car, I work on the basis they are all like that, so sound the horn whenever I'm alongside one. Just so glad I wasn on my bike that day

[@robk1003]

Yes, that's why I hate 50mph average speed cameras on motorways - absolutely lethal.

[@brianfunt2619]

​@@robk1003It's not the 50mph speed limit that's lethal, it's the drivers

[@WarrenF]

If a lorry is able to overtake you on the motorway, you’re holding up traffic

[@wohlhabendermanager]

The viewer wasn't sitting in any blind spot at all, though, we can clearly see the driver in the mirror. Lorry driver was just too lazy to turn their head.

[@markj.a351]

It doesn’t take cyclists in the UK long to learn that people have a derangement syndrome to get past cyclists asap, regardless of how dangerous or utterly pointless the overtake is.

[@TerryNutkins3]

I recently had someone overtake me only to immediately stop to drop off a passenger it's lucky I didn't run into the back of them

[@worldfire956]

aha, yes, i love the overtake immediately followed by a left or right turn. Extra points for a blind bend

[@glenn1534]

I once had a driver in a queue on the opposite side of the road shout at me to stop cycling in the middle of my lane (no space to overtake wherever I was in the lane). Definite derangement syndrome, or superiority complex.

[@jpldriver]

Car drivers and cyclists both have a deranged attitude especially cyclists,because they are far more likely to be injured or killed! This is due to lack of training,common sence and arrogance

[@throwback19841]

@@glenn1534 Lol yeah, I've had that too "how dare you position yourself in the road defensively in such a way that I cannot pass you dangerously when there isn't enough room"

[@aljowen]

When I saw the same make, model, colour, and trim level of car in the thumbnail as mine, I was rather worried for a second xD

[@ninoid51]

Exactly the same as me. White Volvo C30. I thought oh no.. what have I done 😅

[@jacobfoster6773]

Audi in first clip should have got an F.

[@ilikechickensausages2075]

D for Dingbat

[@kenbrown2808]

Phil's error was in not recognizing the oncoming car was an Audi.

[@TheCatBilbo]

3:43 I wonder how the cammer would have reacted if there wasn't traffic behind? We can feel the weight of expectation from others, even if just in our minds. That can provoke action even if there's a risk. It can be very difficult to think "No, I'm waiting - this isn't safe enough" with slow traffic ahead & faster behind. We can help by not putting pressure on the first driver: hang back more & that indicates you're not 'pressuring' them to go. I've been overtaken in these situations but remind myself "My car, my safety & others', so not worth the risk".

[@johnkeepin7527]

The related risk is that of the one behind overtaking you AND the bike in front (assuming that they have seen it). Quite common these days; you could end up being a witness then.

[@androidcaller7902]

I was passing a group of four cyclists with a gap the size of 3 to 4 cars between the lead cyclist and the pack. It was an easy safe manoeuvre until the pack sped up the instant I made my move, closing down the gap I was using as my back-up plan. Fortunately my passenger gave me the all clear around the slight right bend and I was able to pass them all. It's not often I want to get out and "educate" other road users, but they really needed some advice - it could have been really dangerous. NB: they had kept this gap constant for probably 3/4 of a mile - then only closed it as I made my move. Also, I was a semi-professional cyclist in my youth, saw quite a few accidents, and am always protective towards the bike user. Lately though, cyclists, I'm sure, are getting worse. I equate it to the new Highway Code, but can't prove it.

[@TheSpacecraftX]

I'd give that first one a C F for failure to stop. They Audi couldn't have known there was no damage.

[@JohnSmith-jk8mt]

I wouldn’t have stopped either waste of time

[@Jonc25]

There's not much to say, really. I am glad phil wasn't driving his big crane.

[@paultrewin5871]

You can bet your life the Audi driver would have given way if he were!

[@laceandwhisky]

Had Mr crane driver been in a police car that Audi would of given way. Remember would you do it to a copper

[@SomeGuyCalledJ]

And this is why we should be retesting when licenses are reissued, so many people forget how to drive after a couple of years behind the wheel

[@diabeticdave7840]

Logistically impossible, unfortunately. They can barely test all the new drivers within 6 months of application for a test, let alone each driver every 10 years. And then you have those that have medical resrtrictions meaning they get tested every 3 years at best.

[@martindev6638]

I live in one of the rare villages in Bedfordshire to have a hill. The road up it is steep and it winds round a few corners. Both vehicles and cyclists tend to descend way too fast, which makes it extra dangerous for any vehicles attempting to overtake cyclists when going up it. If I'm climbing the hill and encounter cyclists, I back right off and wait for them to crest the top, it's the only safe thing to do. Patience is the key thing to have when driving and it's something I've had to learn and am still learning.

[@SamilyRose]

You need one of those light up signs on your car Ashley, like the traffic police have. Rather than "FOLLOW ME", it would say "CALL ME FOR LESSONS" 😂 I'm sure all of us members would chip in to see that happen 👏🏻

[@jimrushby]

The last clip with the lorry is an example of why you shouldn't change speed when being overtaken or passed. The lorry was passing the cam car which was driving at a steady speed (to lengthen the gap). Lorry assumed the cam car would continue at the same speed, except he didn't and sped up when next to the lorry and ended up sitting in his blind spot. Many (many) times I've had to disengage ACC when it's attempted to accelerate me into a similar situation when the car in front of me has pulled left and another vehicle has been passing on the right.

[@WelshBathBoy]

Audi driver in first clip was clearly trying to prove a point, rather than slowing down they went all in because they have right of way and wanted to reprimand the cammer. You see this all too often when people make genuine mistakes - and the other person is willing to cause an accident just to prove a point.

[@idavidmcclune]

Regarding the bike and blue VW, I think there may be more to this and my reading is s bit different. I think the VW driver was painfully aware of the bike. Perhaps he had even been buzzed by him further back. I think he wanted the bike to get past and stop annoying him. Both the car and the bike set off at a pretty fast pace. The VW driver is trying to clear the traffic on the left, then move in, slow down and let the bike past. The bike doesn't read the situation fast enough until they've both closed the distance to the truck. Both them realise that action must be taken at the same time. The motorcyclist realises he must clear the car before he needs to pull out for the truck and the car decides that since the bike hasn't gone past he must now move out to clear the truck. The car does another mirror check before finally committing to the move and sees the bike has also taken action at the same time and slows and turns slightly left to give clearance. Trying to defuse a situation + awareness + aborting the manoeuvre gives the blue VW an A and the poor reading of the cars intentions + late and dangerous overtake gives the motorcyclist a D.

[@MartinParnham]

That’s a lot of speculation but it’s plausible. I read it differently though- VW zoomed off for some reason and then either didn’t see the biker, or did but was going a bit too fast to react properly (hence standing on the brake). No need to be zooming like that. Could have been avoided if they’d just been going slower.

[@idavidmcclune]

🤔

[@steve3291]

First incident - Whilst the cam driver is in the wrong, the Audi could have slowed slightly to make it a non-event. Truck driver at the end - bet he was on the phone.

[@ashley_neal]

Most situations can be turned into non-events by either party doing the correct thing. Look at the oncoming car in the cyclist overtake clip for example

[@DontPanicDear]

I think the dash cam failed to give priority. They did their best once they realised they’d unwisely committed. Mistakes are made every day. The Audi on the other hand, made no such attempts. They slow down and they certainly didn’t move left. To me, it looks like they wilfully had that collision coz “ RIGHT OF WAY INNIT” They totally forgot the part about not having an accident if it can be avoided , which is always the most important part 🙄 D for the cam car, but Z for the Audi

[@cupofcustard]

Audi had his/her "I've got priority!" head on and was gonna barge through regardless.

[@DontPanicDear]

@@cupofcustard Perhaps they are also a lorry driver 😂

[@kevinraines4318]

if they was in a car why are they driving that slow that trucks over take them

[@wrightwoodwork]

At least they used the horn in the last clip but the lorry definitely suffering amnesia. Gone past them now find them not out of mind out of sight

[@MepsiPaxBerri]

I can only assume the lorry thought the cam car used the exit slip road, given the cam car is in the blind spot.

[@RushfanUK]

It would have been interesting to have a view of the second truck and it's positioning, I find many times on slip roads that you have a decision point where you can decide what action to take in terms of matching speeds, accelerating or slowing as you join to match with the traffic, there are far too many drivers now who wait until they join motorways to accelerate and quite a few who brake so hard that they cause real danger. I don't know but I think that there may have been a small window of opportunity where they could have moved into lane two and got ahead of the truck, Ashley would give me a D or F because I would have closed a bit more on the truck in front to get ahead of the one behind in lane2.

[@ExplodingCabbage]

First one was a cammer D, Audi F by my lights. The misjudgement about whether to squeeze through is a minor, easy-to-make mistake; if that was all, I'd give them both a C+. Not braking and taking it slow through the gap, much stupider and more risky; that gets both of them down to a D. But the Audi's failure to stop - when they couldn't've known there was no damage - gets them an F. C C is too generous. I am a not-very-good recently-passed driver, and while I might've made the first mistake here (misjudging whether to squeeze through the gap), from either side, I am dead certain I would NOT have done so without slowing down, and I definitely wouldn't have driven away from a collision without checking for damage. That kind of criminal attitude deserves an F (even if, by pure luck, it turned out not to have been a crime here due to there being no damage).

[@oneandonlyjaybee]

0:29 triple yellow car!!

[@Batters56]

I was gonna say, that’s plugged in the bunker, but it doesn’t count if they’re parked up!

[@Chigleybus]

My God you're right. Just one after the other. Like bananas in custard. Reminded me of Egg Flip from the 70s but that's another story.

[@Marko-tl8kj]

Guarantee the lorry driver in the last clip knew fine well the car was there but also knew that they were now matching their speed and as a "punishment" decided to creep over. TBH the lorry driver shouldn't have even considered doing that but I can't get away from the fact the cammer would have seen the lorry in lane 2, they had ample time to pull out if they wanted to speed up given lane 2 was empty for a while and most other vehicles were overtaking in lane 3 which tells me the lorry was in lane 2 for a while trying to overtake the car which was matching the speed of the lorry in lane 1 so for me it was the cammer who caused that situation to develop. If they wanted to go faster than the lorry in front of them, get into lane 2. I get the issue was the lorry creeping over, but I feel this was a deliberate (and not a recommended) act on the part of the lorry in lane 2 to slow the car down so they could indeed overtake them. For me also, it wasn't the lorry that hemmed anyone in, it was the car matching the speed of the lorry in front until the truck in lane 2 began overtaking them. It happens all the time on the motorways now as well with car drivers, you start overtaking someone and all of a sudden they decide to speed up!.

[@DrSeagull1993]

Not sure why @8.05 was given a B. People need to use their brain when driving in and around lorries- either stay back or overtake don’t sit in their blind spot they can’t see you…

[@ColinSmith2001]

The centreline hatching and red markings at 5:45 have been added to try and reduce collisions from overtaking through the junctions......

[@ryanmitcham5522]

If they wanted to prohibit overtaking they could use solid hatchings, this is more of a 'caution'.

[@ColinSmith2001]

@@ryanmitcham5522 Yes, it's a reminder of the highway code 167 "Do not overtake approaching a road junction on either side" rather than an additonal regulation (y)

[@LakesGeek]

That first one was a typical "it's MY priority, so I'm coming through no matter what" See a lot of them around here

[@roderickmain9697]

Last clip: Notwithstanding everything else, if the motorway had kept the hard shoulder your viewer would have had an emergency escape area had the truck to the right continued his manouever. On the rare occassions Ive been having a chill moment on the motorway, being overtaken by an artic is one that always bothers me. You are very quickly in a potential blind spot for the truck drive and for me, losing a few mph so it gets passed you and you can see their rear lights is worth it. Also - keep an eye on the indicators just in case thats a giveaway to a premature manouever.

[@dotmanmide]

People driving so desperate to go past bikes blow my mind. The itch to overtake them is crazy.

[@draconicdusk5911]

Honestly, I don;t see how we can give either driver anything but an F for their driving in the first clip. Both drivers went in with the mindset of "I'm already here so back off" And "I have right away so back off" and caused a collision! No damage doesn't mean the grade shouldn't be lower. Both drivers WILLINGLY collided. Both get an F and need more lessons!

[@Mr.M1STER]

The cammer in the first clip seems to not have even seen the Audi until they made contact because they didn't even move an inch to the left (looks like there was space to do so as well). The white volvo in the second clip made a common mistake, they pulled out to overtake as soon as the car in front did. It is never safe to do this because you never know how slow (or fast) the car in front is going to complete their overtake. I have seen cars in front of me in the past that take way too long to overtake and then any space for me to overtake has been used up by them unnecessarily. Always wait your turn and then when the car in front has completed their maneuver then you do your checks and make a decision.

[@humphreychiu]

Blue VW clips i read that totally different. I think VW always knew the cammer was behind and was waiting for cammer to overtake, so vw can get back to right side lane. The clue is how they both took off at the lights. VW was 1/2 car over the white line before amber disappeared, cammer wasnt far behind. VW could see cammer isnt a slow bike, moved over and let him pass. If someone guns it at the light with no regard to others, they tend to stick to the right, not move to the left. Only problem is cammer knew VW took off fast at the light and was expecting a different kind fast driver behind the vw's wheels.

[@Frohicky1]

Wonderful Streetfighter sound in that first clip.

[@flemit35]

02:00 I think an actual crash warrants more than a C

[@robinthebobin6537]

4:54 : "the oncoming land rover driver gets an A, as do I for my voiceover" - didn't realise you got to mark your own voiceover Ash😂

[@ashley_neal]

Go on then! You've earned yourself a free hit. Fire away!!!!!

[@georgecromar4094]

Excellent analysis as usual👏 @ashleyneal. I wld add horn use issues in the last 2 videos though. Yes the last viewer used the horn, but had it been used as a warning earlier the near event may never have happened 😊

[@Batters56]

If anyone is overtaking me on a motorway me on a motorway I try to keep my speed as it was (or slower) than when they started the overtake. And if I saw a lorry coming up behind I would definitely speed up and not get overtaken rather than have a perfect gap to a lorry that you can outbrake anyway. Personally as I drive at 70mph I don’t mix it with the lorries unless it’s in a 50mph roadworks where they are often wishing to go 1-2mph faster.

[@DontPanicDear]

Clip 2 Cam car DID have time and space to move in and was not to close to the bikes. Gets a C- Following Volvo gets F or lower, as you NEVER FOLLOW an overtake blindly. He also broke the law passing the bikes too closely. F

[@martinhutchinson9265]

Oncoming landy was having to brake for cam car, not just for the Volvo. He also needs to remember that if the furthest ahead rider runs out of puff uphill and sits up for a breather, that gap he's heading for will disappear in an instant. This was never on, and it amazes me how few drivers can look at the distance visible ahead and fail to visualise what would happen if a car appeared the moment they commit.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

08:05 , I would have put my foot down and moved to either lane 2 or 3, why is your viewer choosing to go below the speed limit on a motorway and sit behind a slow lorry? Odd choice.

[@AntneeUK]

That first clip, the cammer did make a mistake, albeit an easy one to make. But the Audi coming towards them? Even though it was their lane, just continuing as if it's free, and then still driving off? That's awful. Would they have done the same if there was a person in the road? Were they even aware of what was happening?

[@rcraven1013]

I can only speak about motorcycling when the road accident stats show that annually some 1 in 8 motorcyclists or pillion passenger are killed on overtakes that go wrong on our roads every year. Previously it was 1 in 6 deaths. It is recognised that overtaking. in cars or on motorbikes is one of the 3 main causes of collisions on our road today. The other 2 being bends and inappropriate speeds. For those that are advanced riders and drivers the Police Roadcraft Manual on its first page on the chapter on overtaking does say that one should only overtake if there is a NEED to do so. Remember that 'Manual' was and still is basically designed as an aid to training and is still really for the training of police officers to keep them safe on our roads. . So under normal road patrolling conditions a police officer should not overtake, unless there is a NEED to do so in order to perform his duties and he can justify that manoeuvre . We civilians do not have such a NEED and so we should always consider whether or not to overtake anything at all. It would be understandable if the vehicle in front was say a cyclists or a tractor or horse etc moving extremely slowly. Otherwise it would be safer If we held back and backed off giving safer space. Then we would all contribute to having far safer road for ourselves and for all other road uses. Our journeys may take a few minutes longer but the benefits to our health and well being would improves no end.

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

That Audi driver is going to kill somebody and his lawyer will claim he has a clean record. He shouldn't have though.

[@user-ge6dy1ru6x]

Hgv vision: I would recommend on your next day , when not much is happening, to check out your local trucks for clean mirrors and windows and obstructions on the side and front window.. last time I used our driver trainers truck I spent 15 minutes to clean up all mirrors and windows- in the front down mirror ( the one sticking out from front roof over cab, for obstructions or pedestrians in front of bonnet ) I coukd not see anything at all, so dirty it was!😅

[@goodyeoman4534]

The last clip doesn't blow my mind at all. I fully expect that kind of behaviour every time I get on the road. Life is very cheap to most people, and they'll be happy to risk killing you if it saves them half a second on the road.

[@JohnCarlyle]

The number of times I've seen drivers run red lights on pedestrian crossings when the next set of lights 100yds up the road is on red with a queue behind it is staggering. So they're happy to risk killing you even if they save no time at all.

[@goodyeoman4534]

@@JohnCarlyle Yep. Agree. And they can't blame it on instinct or reflexes as they'd have failed their driving test for doing that. It's a conscious choice to endanger lives.

[@hicky62]

Some shocking clips, but well done to the viewers for submitting them. I do think you were a bit generous on the first clip, though. Due to a collision actually happening, I'd give both a D or even E.

[@Chris-uj1wz]

Am I the only one thinking that last one looked like a punishment from the lorry driver?

[@SiCrewe]

0:35 Still utterly baffled about why anybody would CHOOSE to be involved in a collision when they have the ability to avoid it, regardless of who had priority. If I had £1 for every time I'd let somebody get away with something like that, I'd be driving a Lamborghini instead of a 20 year old Land Rover... with no dents in it.

[@WayneTulip-zm9gw]

3:48 look at how close the white car gets to the parked Royal Mail van when it passes it, it almost touches it, he’s far too close, I’ve just finished a block of 5 hours of driving lessons because even though I’ve been driving for so many years I’ve only even driven in my local small town and I want to be able to drive outside of my local small town so I had some driving lessons on dual carriageways and on motorways and this is something my driving instructor picked up on, there’s no need to get so close to a vehicle that you’re passing, if they open their door suddenly there’s going to be an accident, my driving instructor told me, don’t be afraid to use all of the wrong side of the road to pass obstructions, the more space you leave the better but make sure there aren’t any oncoming vehicles, if you see an oncoming car coming towards you get back onto your side of the road.

[@fredmercury1314]

1:28 _We_ can see it 09thanks to the position of the camera) but can _he_ see it from the driver seat?

[@nikanikasavina]

The moral of almost all these videos is: keep distance and slow the fk down!

[@iallso1]

The motorcyclist really needed to consider how the driver of the blue car was driving an give them plenty of space, space and time is your best friend when on a bike.

[@davidrumming4734]

Clip 2 the overtake Someone (bmw) went to overtake me (Honda) today on a fast 60 mph A road….mostly straight, good for overtaking…. But I said…..mostly….guess where the bmw went to overtake me 🤔….on the bend….the bmw moved out and then a car appeared coming the other way. BMW got back in and stayed there! And my speed was set to 58 mph on cruise control.

[@DontPanicDear]

Regarding the cheating insurance companies getting caught out by Car Vertical. I’ll explain…. After the right-off and full pay out to the owner, the insurance company decide not to put a CAT marker on it. So it remains HPI clear. That want to sell the written off car to get more money. Now… Car Vertical has this practice rumbled, they are fighting back. There is now a secondary repair industry, that partially bodges these cars with a wheel / wing / windscreen etc, so they LOOK less bad and fetch more at auction. The whole thing stinks.

[@stephenhill8790]

I have used hand signals as well as indicators to empsise I am turning not overtaking, don't see it much today 🧐

[@raymondbenjamins5884]

To be honest, I wouldn't know what you're trying to say when you use hand signals. That's also the main problem with alarm lights. People use them for all kinds of situations, so when you somebody with them on, you have no idea what their intention is.

[@stephenhill8790]

@@raymondbenjamins5884 it is still covered in the highway code

[@glenn1534]

@@raymondbenjamins5884 This is what has happened with the horn now. So many people use it to express their frustration at other people, that it no longer serves as a warning in the way it should.

[@robloxfan4271]

6:36 they where also driving on red hatch markings

[@AzguardMike]

the last one though, notice after the horn and slow down, he doesnt try and come in. The clip continues as Ash does the voice over and the lorry stays in lane 2. Felt more of a lorry driver on his phone swerved

[@diabeticdave7840]

I was about to disagree as I thought I saw an indicator on first viewing. Went back and watched it again and I think you're right, it doesn't look like they're trying to move over. Just distracted by something.

[@Hunter-NG]

The lorry driver wasn't as innocent as you think.

[@markgillespie8842]

2nd clip I have to disagree. Corsa driver had no reason to indicate to pass cyclist. No oncoming traffic. Cammer way back, cyclist won't see it. So I'm thinking why he indicating and slowing down. Indicating to just pass cyclist helped nobody in that situation in my opinion.

[@WilliamMuraszko]

Doesn't matter if the signal makes no sense as a signal to overtake - some drivers still use it as such, so the mis-read is understandable.

[@markgillespie8842]

@@WilliamMuraszko yes but I was basically saying the corsa driver did nothing wrong.

[@mixerfistit5522]

Would love to hear your thoughts on Jobbers recent post on tiktok (white van goes to pull out and along comes the overtaking camcar). Personally, I think the van driver is looking to his right one final time as he pulls out and the camcar is extremely reckless. Would no doubt cause debate though

[@TKG]

I have commented a lot on these dashcam channels, most are about how to avoid incidents like the last one, its incredible how many people reply, why should I have to do defensive driving? it shocks me the attitudes of some drivers.

[@TheDavidsims]

I am amazed by some of the comments defending crane driver in the first clip. Too many people seem to think they can just push past parked cars - They need to read what the highway code actually says. The entitled seem to be taking over in the world. The Audi is minding it's own business and doing nothing wrong

[@davidknight5863]

The first clip of the Audi driver who would rather damage his car than let a car through on the wrong side of the road just to prove a point, I find very strange. He is clearly at fault

[@chrisl1797]

0:31 as soon as the clip started I knew what was going to happen....

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

True there may be a rule about who gives way however often it makes more sense to keep going, in this case had the Audi been driving a little slower there was room. All the Audi needed to do was to slow up a bit. I put all the blame on the Audi. I actually believe the Audi deliberately did not slow up to teach your driver a lesson. Hope he is charged.

[@edwardlamb]

First one (for me) is a good example of why the Welsh approach to make 20mph the default limit makes a lot of sense. Roads like that should absolutely be 20mph and there's a good chance it would have helped in that situation - it takes the heat out of driving and reduces risk. Would like to hear your thoughts on the Welsh change, Ashley (or head across to Wirral where we are making sweeping changes to our residential streets as well!)

[@peterjeremymckenzie8444]

Sure Ash goes to Llandegla with his mountain bike so sure he could do a drive through of Coedpoeth, he could also give his old car a wave.

[@ibs5080]

The clip at around 6:10 with the silver Corsa turning right as opposed to merely overtaking the cyclist: I remember seeing that clip somewhere before some time ago.

[@nicholascampbell3259]

I swear I've also seen that clip before - although I can't remember if it was on another of Ashley's videos, or another dashcam channel.

[@ibs5080]

@@nicholascampbell3259 I too was wondering if I'd seen that clip before on Ashley's channel or elsewhere but I immediately recalled seeing it before.

[@hausmaster9801]

Can I just point out I 100% agree with your observations on the last clip, however you’ve given car drivers a pass in those situations before. Both fall under object permanence which every driver should have. Any situation like this be it a hgv, car, motorcycle, or a van should receive the same grade an F

[@grahambonner508]

The first cyclist overtake clip is becoming very common, i think partly due to the safe passing distance requirement, many motorists wait when they would in the past have overtaken, they then soon loose patience and pass at the worst possible moment, either on a bend or when they clearly won't clear without causing an oncoming car to have to slow right down or stop. Cyclists have a part to play as well, there are times when it's appropriate to facilitate the overtake to help out and keep traffic flowing.

[@deanwaller1029]

I see this quite often while out riding, a car can be behind for a little bit but can't overtake due to oncoming traffic (well done for holding back) but they then overtake on a bend, crest of a hill because they've grown impatient. And while cyclists can help to make it easier there are plenty of occasions (like in this clip) where there's nowhere else to move. Lots of country roads don't have a footpath or shoulder to move onto, so you just have to keep riding and hope the car behind you doesn't pass dangerously.

[@KXXULADavidOC]

Scary moment in that last clip, terrible inattentive driving by the lorry, btw love that blue colour of your viewers car in the last clip, its a really nice shade of blue

[@TigerP1]

Getting "penned in" is why I do not want to go in to lane 1 when the traffic starts to get busy. If you go to lane 1 doing 70 then come up to a slow lorry, no one will let you out to get pass.

[@diabeticdave7840]

If there's that much traffic in lane 2, 3, 4 that you can't get out or no one lets you out by moving over, you're not going to be going 70mph. That would be heavy traffic with everyone going at max 50mph.

[@TigerP1]

@@diabeticdave7840 No it's just others sitting in the middle lane going 70is. If I indicate to come out they speed up to close down the space.

[@Kieran.Rob53]

@@diabeticdave7840I’ve seen on many occasions lane 1 doing 50 and lane 2 doing 70, by which the people in lane 1 who want to do 70 are literally stuck.

[@liannegauld2408]

What speed was the viewer going in the last clip? Must have been very slow

[@iallso1]

There is another possibility for that first clip, maybe the viewer thought the gap mot to be big enough because he is used to the crane, so decided he couldn't pull in and wait.

[@lwo7736]

Blue VW was all over the lanes, big giveaway for poor driving means poor observations

[@andyclark8991]

I would have given both drivers f, (for 2nd clip) very dangerous overtake.

[@markgillespie8842]

The first clip. Yes he should of pulled in. But I paused the clip and the audi driver looked like he had his phone in front of him?

[@simonneep8413]

Stepping through that frame by frame, there's something white at 12 o clock on the steering wheel and this never moves for the time it's visible. If that's a hand, then it's certainly a very odd position for driving straight ahead, however it's a good position to place something you may wish to look at whilst still trying to look ahead.

[@markgillespie8842]

@@simonneep8413 it just looks very odd. Half his face looks blocked by something. And even if you have right of way. I'm stopping if a plum decides to still drive on my side. I think he was distracted

[@stephenclark9917]

This may have factored into their decision not to stop - a quick escape.

[@markgillespie8842]

@@stephenclark9917 yeah I thought if he was on some device he might of just left. Because it would be classed as the cammers fault.

[@DontPanicDear]

Clip 3 As Ash says, a mixture of a distraction, poor road positioning and some misreading. Both C agreed.

[@notmenotme614]

In the first clip it should be blatantly obvious to the driver, who is on the wrong side of the road and which car is on their correct side of the road. Im struggling to see what the Audi did wrong?

[@naiboz]

First one…. In my old work we used to get taught “defensive” driving, I’m sure under that philosophy I’d have been expected to stay out to the right, claiming the road, making sure the Audi knows not to proceed as I’m coming through. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I wonder if the cammer has had the same training.

[@tony_w839]

I would have thought defensive driving would have been to use the space to the left as suggested by Ashley. To continue to overtake in the face of oncoming traffic to me is aggressive.

[@naiboz]

@@tony_w839 🤷🏻‍♂️ I dunno. I think it’s about defending your space, making it very clear there’s not room for two and you’re coming through first. I suppose it’s written from the prospective of a massive fleet owner of vans etc and not your average joe in his focus. Anyway, like I said, the cammer may have had that kind of training, who knows.

[@Kieran.Rob53]

@@tony_w839Can confirm I had a situation like this and my observer commended me for staying very wide right to make it very clear I’m coming through, although in my situation the oncoming car was stationary.

[@user10184]

That's poor training and leads to conflict.

[@naiboz]

@@user10184 does it lead to less damaged vans though

[@isaacplaysbass8568]

I think that the first example may have been due to missing the oncoming vehicle due to distraction from the passenger mentioning something about the "white van" on the right hand side, the second white van.

[@cuprashoe]

1st one, yes the cam car maybe should have pullled in but the Audi should have at least slowed down slightly

[@andyclark8991]

4th clip (both f) very dangerous overtake which could have easier resulted in a crash

[@nicjansen230]

5:33 If cyclists are allowed on this road that's insane! There's a road here in the Netherlands which they're now changing for a similar reason which at least had a bicycle gutter up till now, so people would pass quite close ...but the road in the video is even missing that metre (3 ft) of width on both sides, even though there's space for it!

[@marklife4538]

The last one gives a reason why people stay in the middle lane

[@paultrewin5871]

The driver of the Corsa overtaking the cyclist should have reinforced his right signal with a hand signal, to confirm he was turning right and not just overtaking. that would have helped greatly. Are learner drivers still taught such things?

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

I think he should have just stayed behind the cyclist, moved right and slowed down for the turn. Why did he HAVE to overtake?

[@80y3r9]

Harsh for the blue VW giving him the same as the motorbike

[@tubularcandy812]

Last clip the cammer was overtaken by 2 lorries. I know on the motorway the speedlimit is 70mp/h, (112 kp/h) but I dont know if those lorries have a limiter in the UK. In the Netherlands lorries have a speed limiter on like 90 95kp/h. And the speed limit is 100kp/h isnt it safer for the cammer to move to lane 2 and overtake the lorries? Because in this situation there was no hard shoulder and that could have ended really badly.😅

[@dbracer]

The HGV limiter is set to 56mph (90km/h) legally, but some hauliers use lower limits - I've seen 52mph recently, for example. And don't forget that although the limiters are nominally the same, there will be some variation between vehicles. Not to mention apocryphal tales where fitting a different differential means the lorry can get up to 70mph. (i've seen Eastern European registered HGVs exceeding the limit by significant margins.) UK motorway limit is typically 70mph (about 112km/h). The cammer was matching speeds with the lorry in front, who was apparently running at a lower speed and we all know that every long distance HGV driver won't allow themselves to lose out on 0.5mph!

[@JohnCampbell-w7u]

Car n the last clip was only doing just above 50, the lorry probably thought he would be taking the exit as he was driving so slow

[@stewartlittle7931]

Speed limit for HGVs on motorways in the UK is 60mph...

[@dbracer]

@@stewartlittle7931 On checking, I find you're correct. Nevertheless, HGV governors are set to 56mph.

[@ant2ant41]

Why did the cammer not increase speed and go into lane 2 thereby the lorries would not have to have overtake

[@Themanwithbingowings]

how do you submit a clip for review?

[@composedlight6850]

First clip; following --- more like chasing the car in front. Most apply the rule i got there first get out of my way. As for the last clip of the lorry driver, its becoming the norm ; it appears to me that Lorries drive on Motor Ways as if they OWN the near side 2 lanes and expect cars to get out of thier way.

[@kiko5965]

honestly ive been saying this for a few years now lorry drivers are becoming more and more dangerous!! its not on

[@davidrumming4734]

First clip, the cammer should have seen the 2nd oncoming car and waited. The oncoming car had plenty of reaction time and should have slowed or stopped. Either would have resulted in a non-event…. They stuck in road calming (left and right side islands) near where I live and I have to make the same decisions everyday.

[@36hunters]

First clip deserves worse ratings for both drivers, absolutely no one braked/slowed down to avoid that accident

[@diabeticdave7840]

I do think people calling lorry and taxi drivers "professional" is overused and misleading because people mostly tend to use the word professional when someone is good at their job. But I don't think just because you're paid to do something makes you a professional at doing it. If your nan pays you to mow her lawn and trim some bushes, that doesn't make you a professional gardener. I also think that left hand drive HGVs shouldn't be allowed on the roads in the UK, as the cause a disproportionate amount of collisions likely due to the fact that you can see much less of the traffic on the roads around you (for HGVs this obviously tends to be on the right hand side of the vehicle when there are multiple lanes of traffic). Neither of the HGVs in these clips were left hand drive it seems by the plates, but they suffered from the same issue when overtaking. In this case, as Ashley said, the driver should know the car is there as you've just overtaken it.

[@ryanmitcham5522]

I always thought 'professional' in this content was used with a hint of sarcasm i.e. they are *supposed* to be a professional driver. It's one thing for somebody who only drives occasionally to not be very good at it, but when it's your paid job, you should be a professional.