The Infamous “4B Movement” in Korea Explained

[@AsianBoss]

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[@85percentGlobalScamCalls]

I am with the 4S movement not 4B

[@85percentGlobalScamCalls]

4S over 4B

[@RanDom-II]

Link didn't work. But really, this was another redundant video. The key info about 4B and it's origins could have been covered in 5 minutes.

[@sushimaccheese]

Hi team, just letting you know that the link doesn't work, the page says the domain has expired

[@ark3636]

When I came to Korea, I had basically only studied the Korean economy and didn't know much about Kpop or Kdramas. Maybe if you all share videos like this, people will stop fetishising you.

[@user-dr1ld1md4e]

I am a Korean high school student. If people are aware that I have watched this video and agreed with her, my personal information (where I live, my school, etc.) will be spread through the Internet, and my face photo will be synthesized into a nude photo and will be sexually harassed. (My photo, which I have never posted on the Internet, is used without my consent.) Also, my family and I may be threatened with murder and be assaulted indiscriminately on the street. A few months ago, a part-timer in a store was assaulted by a drunk man for having short hair and suffered permanent damage to her ear. He recognized her short hair as the Escape the Corset movement and assaulted an innocent woman, saying feminist should be hit. That is why feminists cannot be seen in real life in Korea. It is very dangerous to be identified as feminist unless it is a place where only women or social media like Twitter where anonymity is guaranteed. Certainly, the 4B movement doesn't come up in reality. But the statistics show that marriage and birth rates continue to fall. These days, domestic violence continues to be more brutal in Korea, and young women are reluctant to date men. The 4B movement will spread more and more. Sentences can be awkward using a translator. I'm so happy that the 4B movement is known to the world. Thank you for reading a long article.

[@taichidog]

I am so very sorry that you have to live in this environment and with such opression.

[@hmmm2564]

You are not Korean. I lived in Korea. I saw professional women and actresses with short hair

[@Lily____ce]

@hmmm2564 I guess that you where in Korea when women having short hair was just viewed uncommon and new😢 These days people easily assume women in short hair as feminist and could be threatened by it. Even an Olympic gold medalist got harassed for her short hair by male netizens who suspected her as feminist. So sadly I have to agree with the main comment. Yes, it’s the worst-case scenario but it had happened and could again.

[@hmmm2564]

@@Lily____ce male neitzins existed then. Those are our incels and red pillers. And Korean women still wear short hair

[@user-fb2lb6ko1b]

​@@hmmm2564 한남검거🤏

[@Mort7an]

As soon as you start using words like 'radical' and 'extreme' (which the interviewer annoyingly does from the very beginning) you are showing your own bias, loading the debate and lose any pretence to objectivity. A woman wanting to make decisions about her own life is not a radical extremist.

[@MM-qt2pc]

Agree 100%

[@socialenigma4476]

Not dating and having sex is very anti-human. You are denying yourself your basic human needs. Seems pretty radical and extreme to me.

[@flyinpug3791]

It’s totally extremist

[@elvisalanbay7443]

​@@socialenigma4476 noo??

[@Viomie143]

@@socialenigma4476 it is not.

[@ser9342]

The interviewer comes across as condescending, constantly interrupting her and speaking over her. He disregards her responses, often inserting his own words as if they were more appropriate. If you're looking for a negative example of how not to conduct an interview, this is it."

[@emilyhutson4566]

I immediately was struggling with this, too - especially the interrupting. He took so long to ask questions in many cases because it was as if he was starting to answer them himself or cage her answer. I doubt he did it intentionally, but I found it very ironic given the context of the conversation. She seems very intelligent, informed articulate and professional - he could have asked a simple question or two at a time and allowed her to contextualize and expand on it or summarize it, as appropriate.

[@TheLin28]

From my viewpoint and experiences, he may try to respond, or rephrase, to give the lady a break in expression. Sometimes it's obvious the lady is a little wordless.

[@ariannam.9360]

He’s clearly taking it personally

[@ariel.rangel]

totally agree

[@Tahia213]

11:05 he says words such are extreme/ radical feminism a few times during this interview ; but not once he ever mentioned words such as : misogyny , male crimes , male rape culture , toxic masculinity, patriarchal society .. etc

[@heatranlux]

You misunderstood the topic of the interview maybe. Blame him for not mentioning blacks next ?

[@PrincessPowerranger]

@@heatranlux sweetheart please leave us black people out of your argument. Make your point without taking about about black people, this was not a racial discussion its about womens rights, womens safety

[@karlarubio8366]

Para eso existen las leyes... Deben exigir las sin extremos... No todos los hombres son malos

[@myhlanoelsalsa8690]

@@karlarubio8366 si ni siquiera respetan los asientos de embarazadas

[@heheing]

⁠​⁠@@heatranluxI think YOU are misunderstanding. This is why women in South Korea are protesting in the first place. It’s because of those reasons listed that they started the 4B movement and need to protect themselves

[@BakaKageyamaBaka]

Just saw the Burning Sun BBC documentary and it answers so many questions about the South Korean government and society. Why on earth would a woman voluntarily bring life into a society where she is not respected, valued and protected? Where their perpetrators are let go with a slap on the wrist. Yeah, I'm not surprised to see the women in SK taking matters into their own hands for their survival.

[@todddecoteau2547]

They did for all of human history.... They WILL when societies protections and values disappear completely.

[@vFNN]

What about changing this with politics? SK is still a democracy?

[@BakaKageyamaBaka]

@@vFNN You should read the comments made by the South Korean president about feminism during his election campaign. That will show you how bleak things are in SK.

[@vFNN]

@@BakaKageyamaBaka Yeah so what? He isn't president for lifetime. #democracy Hate between generations solves nothing...

[@arihantkumar6469]

Because most women do it. You genuinely think all South Korean women end up in 4B category? If you lived in SK, only a fringe few are in 4B.

[@Dee8Bee]

They aren't hurting others, their wish is to be on their own. They have rights and the freedom to choose what kind of life they want. I don't see that as radical. Is just a life choice, just as no eating meat is or no drinking alcohol.

[@vFNN]

It is an ideology - if that isn't radical enough...

[@ThangPVan_]

Even it can literally kill a nation

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@propertymanager9149]

the movement has like 4000 people most koreans dont care that they exist. incels and femcels exist

[@no-qe9tb]

I mean, no one's belittling your choice to choose other women. Why do you feel entitled to belittle their life choices?

[@coppersense999]

Oh wow. Did they really just end the interview by cutting her off mid-sentenceu? That is pretty sad.

[@dansmith1661]

Based

[@romanr.301]

@@dansmith1661 With how limited your kind's vocabulary is, I shouldn't be impressed that you actually spelled "based" correctly, but that's how low my expectations are.

[@digestiveissue7710]

@@romanr.301 keyed

[@LaurArt_UK]

He interrupts her throughout and its super annoying.

[@linyen4166]

@@LaurArt_UK yeah the interviewer needs to learn to pleae stop interrupting. Its tiring.

[@kalkis3354]

I am first time listening an interview where host and other are treating word feminist as a terrorist group. 😂 How demanding equality is considered an offence, how deciding not to get married is seen as a radical activity.

[@hamzah_amin]

If you don’t think the 4B movement is radical feminism then you’re brain dead.

[@milkcatdog394]

I know right? Like living like an asexual woman is somehow radical and extremist.

[@Berrygirl6784]

Feminazis

[@Berrygirl6784]

Ewuality then why dont go buikd ur own house and toilet don ask men ..

[@earlysda]

Interviewer is correct.

[@sambeawesome]

I love y'alls videos and the work you do, but man was this one hard to watch. The constant interruptions of your guest, the immediate (and prevalent) use of a loaded term like "radical", and the non-stop changing direction and tangents breaking the flow of the conversation was frustrating. I feel like I didn't learn anything from this interview. I know you can do better, this was not it.

[@pearl_heartsss]

Right? I don't think it's a radical movement and saying so just seems very rude

[@edwardtimothy3581]

@@pearl_heartsss How is it not radical? Anything that's terrible for society should be considered radical... sure we all want to live in a perfect world but it's never gonna happen when billions of lives are roaming around this planet. Yea let's just make things worst is a radical take... funny thing is korea is one of the safest countries for women and when something bad happens we all want to blame ALL men. U cant just expect NO korean man do mysoginistic thing. there would always those who are ignorant. just like everywhere else. it's Unfair for those who actually never commited it yet u just generalize them.

[@pearl_heartsss]

@@edwardtimothy3581 You can’t force women to do something they don’t want to do.

[@edwardtimothy3581]

@@pearl_heartsss NB for u to do anything tho. We just pointed out that what they do is radical

[@Marcus_MG42]

"I didn't learn anything" - You don't need to. You're already brainwashed with feminist propaganda.

[@yarinha3844]

This was really frustrating to watch. Had to stop at 18:08 and write this comment for my own sanity. First of all, Bokyoung Kim (the female reporter) said at some point that sexual harassment and inequality is a serious issue in Korea (14:51). But based on the conversation, they're trying to say that the feminists are "extremist" and "radical fringe movements" by trying to address inequality. Kim mentions right away that the women have a reason for not wanting children or getting married (it's too expensive, unaffordable housing, "and the childcare they need to undertake even when they're working" 3:00), but no the 4B movement is just too extremist and radical. They also implied that the politicians reacted to two of their own being found guilty of sexual harassment by completely shutting down talk of equality and standing with women (50% of their constituency that rightfully feel unsafe). I also feel like you guys were downplaying some really serious things. Organized revenge porn?? If I found out that men were recording women having sex with them after going on dates and then blackmailing them for money, I also would be really afraid and hesitant to go on dates and having sex. It's reasonable to say no sex no dating after something like that. It seems like you guys (especially Stephen Park, the male interviewer) were on the wrong side of this issue and showed little empathy for the women that experienced crimes against them. The way the interviewer was trying to frame this issue by saying "is there some truth to it that the liberal party policy benefitted too much of women?" (14:26) But what policies?? You guys didn't talk about any policies. Did politicians actually do anything or did they just talk about doing something. It seems like some men felt hurt and the politicians exploited this and swept some serious crimes under the rug. Some things you guys can't be objective and fair about. Wtf I understand that Korean men felt hurt that women feel unsafe around them and felt like they were being treated like criminals. But the women are experiencing much more serious things that need to be addressed. Revenge porn, gender motivated stabbing, and sexual harassment. Yet the politicians chose these men's feelings over women's safety (Yes I know, not all men) and chose to do nothing. The mysogyny and inequality is staring them right in the face, yet they still think the women's movements are being unreasonable. Two politicians found guilty of sexual harassment and then they don't want to do their jobs and help women (again 50% of the population) who are experiencing revenge porn. Did the politicians release any policies outlawing revenge porn? That's what I wanted to know. But in the end you guys just started talking about both sides criticizing each other and politicians being afraid. It seems to me like the politicians are afraid of also being found having committed sexual harassment by the media/political opponents. They're really telling on themselves here. But they have a responsibility to their citizens. Like I said, Kim mentioned that these women do have a point and there is serious inequality in Korea. This is a systemic issue. This didn't just begin in 2016 and I hope that Korea deals with this and starts moving toward equality. But seriously, Asian Boss, downplaying revenge porn and blackmailing, wtf? Based on what you guys mentioned, the 4B movement isn't "radical" at all. Based on what you guys said, not only is it really expensive to have kids, women also feel unsafe (as they should because politicians don't want to do their jobs and they're getting revenge porned). My heart goes out to the Korean ladies (and men and NB people who experience sexual harassment, sexual assault, abuse, and revenge porn). Stay safe out there, peeps. Last point and then I'm gonna go: the feminist movement for equality in South Korea is sorely needed and I hope they come back stronger and better organized. I'm really fascinated by feminism in Korea (or women's issues as a whole) and I'd love to hear more from actual good reporting (not this BS). If anybody has any suggestions, please comment them to me. Thank you!

[@jollygirl94]

Irene from red velvet once got alot of backlash from knetizens because she read a feminist book and I’ve watched/researched enough on Nth room, burning sun, deepfakes, domestic abuse on foreigner/SK wives(even if they report, the police won’t do anything), to know that the “oppa” image can just sometimes be a fantasy and not all SK guys are Prince Charming.

[@aguinimelissa4049]

Thank you for taking the time writing this comment tht i strongly agree with u highlighted most important parts of the video thank you .

[@oracle8606]

Well said. I couldn’t stand how the interviewer kept interrupting her also, at some parts I get that he wanted to ask for clarification for the international audience, and that’s fine. But at other parts I’m like. Dude, let her finish 😅 but oh well. Gender equality is still a long long way to go 😢

[@SleepyPlanzZ]

Im glad these comments called it out instead of promoting his ideologies !!!

[@berin5610]

Also there is incomplete info about the revenge pron situation, like in the Nnth room case. I f you watched the cyber hell documentary about the Nnth room, it is more than revenge porn and they catfish women promising job or saying their account stolen to steal sensitive information. Then, using that info to blackmail them for sexual exploitation. Also, the age of the women and girls in that case was a s young as 8, which means pedophilia was involved. I just wanted to clear that out because it bothered me that they only said 'ahh yeah revenge porn,' NO IT IS MORE THAN REVENGE PORN AND IT IS HORRIBLE!!!!

[@idaxurais1710]

From my understanding, women in Korea rarely openly say they support the 4B movement because of safety. That's why when they are interviewed, they will always say it's the minority, smile politely and just do whatever they want (not dating, not having sex, not getting married & not giving birth with men that are misogynists) It's like Fight Club First rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club Second rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club Stay safe ladies

[@divx1001]

Oh yeah, as a woman I also never say the truth in the public like this. I wish we could all support each other in these ideas but being killed by a man for making my own decisions is a greater risk for me (at least in my country). I just smile and keep doing my own thing.

[@lonelyberg1808]

Contrary to what you say, I think the movement is indeed a minority. Indeed, let's not forget that South Korea is a country known for its big dating culture. Foreigners are sometimes surprised to see couples everywhere. If the 4B movement was so big, this wouldn't be the case

[@ll-nf2bs]

@@lonelyberg1808as a Korean woman, I must tell you it is not a small minority.

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@ll-nf2bs how

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@ll-nf2bs can you explain how ?

[@elluise14]

I am Korean and I will tell u wht u should know about the situation. The Korean government’s statistics indicate that even in dual-income families, women do 3-7 times more household and childcare labor than men. Even when women are the sole earners, they still spend about 100 more minutes on housework than their stay-at-home husbands. Most maternity leave is taken by women, leading to career interruptions that make it difficult for them to find good jobs later, often relegating them to part-time positions despite their education. Many young men in Korea remain hostile toward feminism and misogynistic, and expect women to balance work and domestic responsibilities. They don’t see household chores and child bearing as their job like their old generations did. Consequently, women do not feel they can expect equal, respectful or safe relationships with Korean men. While other factors contribute to declining birth rates, the primary reason Korean women choose not to date, marry or have children is due to the unfair burdens and disadvantages they face. They concluded being single is much happier and safer than engaging with Korean men. Generally, Korean women's intentions to engage in romantic relationships, marriage, and childbirth are much lower than men's. Korean women wouldnt say they are on 4b but they are actually practicing what 4b is abt. And its not minority but majority(korean women’s willingness to date, marry or give birth is only 20-30%).

[@sonireddy6696]

Good for them I wish my country women soon realise this 👍👍

[@thuyphan-ns6no]

😢 actually, i do not know the final object of getting married for what?

[@jkluchiano4490]

As a Korean man, I support your opinion. Please, don’t marry and keep both of sexs safe and free. That’s the best way for both genders

[@fanlee6560]

from many of my friends who are married with kids, women are quite stuck after they married and have kids. their lives are no longer theirs, like slave, need to do the housework, take care of both side parents, take care of all shitty matters of the kdis, plus need to go out work to supplement household income. Now, The world population is too much, it is old thinking that humans must procreate and born more, as it will make kids lives hard later as well, we now need to fight harder for resources. It will be nice people can just enjoy their this life and not bother with kids, family and stuffs just because socities and some oldies say so, unless of course if they think is their life mission.

[@Elizabeth78946]

They must respect that women’s rights are human rights and stop hating women and violating their rights and freedom, by encouraging the talents and potentials of women in science, invention, arts, politics and literature..., rather than suppressing, marginalizing and imprisoning them between walls and isolating them from the world And stop treating them as housemaids, sex dolls and weeping machines, and let them know that raising children is basically the responsibility of the mother and father together, not one without or more than the other.

[@Brandysaddler5]

He was not the right person to conduct this interview, he is already biased, did not let her speak, obnoxious, and showing the same measly signs of a man who wants to lead a conversation but can’t. Didn’t even ask the right questions either.

[@RecluseBootsy]

Like it or not, this is how dialogue works. Someone who is ignorant and is *eager* to understand and someone who is speaking in generalities and niche references that *need* further explanation so there is no mistranslation. Of course, he's going to ask pointed questions so he's in-the-know and up to speed on all these correlating topics. I came here looking for what the 4B's mean and I learned about declining populations in the Koreas, a stabbing incident, and several political movements but not what "4B's" literally means. 😂 Without interjection and mediation, we veer off topic very easily in conversation or debate.

[@ll-nf2bs]

A lot of men will come and defend anything that man does. So you can ignore

[@susiex6669]

Here's an idea Brandy, create your own channel and interview her since you clearly think you could have done better.

[@Brandysaddler5]

@@susiex6669 girl stfu I said what I said. They would have turned the comments off if they didn’t care for people opinions now get to stepping ms SUSIE

[@Marcus_MG42]

He asked great questions, and didn't let her shift the goal post to a typical feminist prattle. And it's his show.

[@rickgordon9289]

Women making decisions for themselves is not 'radical feminism'. Using that term just shows what side you are on. Hint, it's the wrong one.

[@namemv]

Yes, it's is

[@Archchill]

When those personal choices go against what has been common throughout human history (marriage, starting a family etc) it would be considered radical. However, using the term radical should not necessarily have negative connotations attached to it as you have suggested. The interviewee herself even agrees with him and labels these people as radical and extremists. Making choices for yourself does not automatically make it not radical. The people who ran planes into the twin towers did so as a personal choice/belief system, yet they are considered radicals. The people fighting for civil rights during the 60’s in the US were also labeled radicals, yet they were “good” radicals don’t you think? Yet they were only radicals/extremists because they went against societies norms at the time. I think your automatic assumption of the negative connotations with the word radical says more about it yourself than the person (interviewer) you’re attacking here. BTW, i agree with you that it is a personal choice and no one else should have a say in what these women decide to do with regards to sex, marriage, childbirth etc, yet I also see how this is in fact a radical movement.

[@rickgordon9289]

@@Archchill I can agree with you in the context of chosen nomenclature. Yes, radical is defined as "different from the usual or traditional" but also as "extreme". I have a very hard time believing that those using the term "radical feminist" are not meaning it in a derisive or condescending way. It is often used to dismiss beliefs and equate them with destructive ideology. I could fully see this being a translation issue, since the negative connotation of the word may not properly be communicated. It is not an extreme idea for women to be treated equally.

[@jayh8435]

Bro, there are so many reasons behind the "making decisions for themselves" like, the women saying " let's kill whoever the man is, even though he's 1 year old baby". and so forth. it's crazy. Do you know Korean government even give any prostitute X amount of money? Just because of a woman? ridiculous. !!

[@josephp9141]

The online community that started the b4 movement “megalia” is a radical feminist community.

[@sciencebunny]

I’m disappointed in this interview. It felt like a complete disparagement of feminism and the real dangers of misogyny in Korea. I live in Seoul and can safely say misogyny is still going strong here. Though the more radical aspects of the gender wars have died down, misogyny is nowhere near fixed or even better in any real way

[@ruthtapiwa6311]

I agree the journalist is not being critical enough of the situation and concentrating on her own narrative. Maybe they shld have done a bit more research. The birthrate is still plummeting whether or not you acknowledge the 4B movement.

[@kin-cz9vu]

i live in korea too and korea has a misandry issue not misogyny. the whole society is about women convenience. from safety to military service

[@danusdragonfly6640]

@@kin-cz9vu That is arguably false. How about improving yourself?

[@kin-cz9vu]

how about improving yourself instead of fingpointing others. do you live in korea? do you know how it really is here? no, right? your only image of korea is distorted by korean feminists spreading the false image that korea is the worst country for women to live in. south korea in reality is a very safe, safer than most other countries. and all the plethora of conveniences for women is unmatched elsewhere. south korea isn't that good for men to live. all the pressure, military service and recent misandrist policy makes it way harder for men than women to live in korea.

[@rwf-br8hd]

If that was anything close to being true, there would not be 4 times more Korean men leaving the country and renouncing their citizenship than Korean women. Misandry is far more common and widely accepted in South Korea.

[@classiconostalgico]

The interviewer seemed uncomfortable with this subject and contributed to showing how misogynistic the Korean country is, disappointed with the interview as it was interrupted all the time.

[@kissyface6895]

The interviewer needs to stop interrupting the journalist. Dude, let her freakin’ talk!

[@andrewcarranza1562]

Stfu hes not a journalist hes the ceo of this media company. Hes trying to make sure the bimbo stays on track and doesnt ramble on.

[@LezbiNerdy]

Also, talk to an actual feminist, not someone who thinks that someone who is no longer a feminist is now "okay", like... what kind of crazy nonsense of an "interview" was this... "let's get to conservatives together to completely minimize any concerns women have and make feminism look stupid"

[@codyfernfan6274]

He really demonstrates why women are understandably boycotting men

[@healthcoachinez4502]

Seriously

[@fatrab101]

Yesss noticed so many times!

[@nefelibata9497]

Is was a very disrespectful interview. The woman handled it with grace. If I was her, I wouldn’t be finishing this mess. So so soooo disrespectful and unprofessional. Makes me think how the other female in Asian boss are treated… very disappointing

[@tonymeyer8365]

Yea, she probably pulled through to at least get the information out.

[@JohnPopcorn06]

Why should they respect a misandrist movement?

[@mcrmakesmedance]

@@JohnPopcorn06its not misandrist its just women leaving men alone. I thought you guys didnt want women to be with you..

[@JohnPopcorn06]

@@mcrmakesmedance, who? you guys are just female incels.

[@ulala9729]

just go to any islamic country see the situation for women

[@jenniferd1346]

the way the interviewer acts, behaves, and talks is so telling. women deserve so much better.

[@normangiven6436]

Their culture is different from ours. We are not far behind since young couple are not pairing up and settling down.

[@rediettadesse2828]

These men are nothing but our servants 😂

[@BarakaAndrew]

😂 this is a completely normal interview, if this heats you up then you clearly have a problem.

[@9v918]

@@rediettadesse2828actual w statement

[@thierrytecumseh734]

I think men deserve better than toxic feminists.

[@tequilamonster3940]

I truly appreciate this discussion. I don:t understand why me wanting to be able to control my own body is considered extreme feminism.

[@theyashuman]

Dude, Let her finish a sentence without changing direction of the conversation 🤫

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@AS-cs9gi]

​@@debodatta7398can you shut up

[@m0nz13]

@@debodatta7398Good luck, most of the mail-to-order brides come with all sorts of monetary expectations and agencies won’t supply unless you have the money or meet certain requirements :)

[@morningcalmrisingsun]

@@debodatta7398 Dude, it's not the majority sentiment of Korean women. People of both sexes aren't marrying and having kids because of bleak future of the Korean economy.

[@srividhyag.b.738]

​@@debodatta7398 may be if you stop expecting your women to be a beauty doll, imposing all those inhuman beauty standards, and treat your women right, respect her a person and her choices, taking part in household chores and share the responsibility of bringing up children, practically be less "patriarchal" and be a supportive human to a fellow human in a relationship, Korean women might marry Koren men! Don't know what you guys will do to poor Japanese or Filipo girls, who are so fascinated by the "Korean oppa" dream, in the name of marriage!! May be it's you guys that pushed women to this extreme, else who wouldn't want love? especially women, who are brought up with dreams of love and marriage.

[@mayamjamac8275]

Using “gender war” “gender conflict” “getting tired of it” “probably looking for money or donations” is really telling a lot about the whole interview.

[@ElenasDad]

Well it is.

[@user-cnksi223]

At least, they are Koreans who live in Korea.. who are you though?

[@젤리빈-p7w]

@@user-cnksi223Stephen Park is not Korean lol he’s a Taiwanese hwagyo pretending to be Korean

[@roxyglow9670]

he smells of sexism so

[@ll-nf2bs]

@@roxyglow9670he indeed is. He has in the past took down the video after SK men told him so because it was giving them a bad image (it was about Burning Sun from what I recall). He reuploaded with much more fake polished answers from Korean men. All to just save their face.

[@glocar243]

I think these guys were trying to sound fair and tolerant, but in the end they came across as smug and judgemental. There is nothing wrong with practicing the 4bs if that’s what someone wants to do. Why look down on them? Let people be feminists in their own way and stop thinking you have all the answers.

[@snehajangir-w7i]

So true, i took a shot whenever he said radical feminist or something judgemental , man i was drunk.

[@glocar243]

@@snehajangir-w7i I can’t stand judgy reporting. If you don’t know how to do it right, don’t do it at all. It’s cringey

[@skillbopster]

You don't get to go through life without being judged for your actions. Anyone can think what they like about others.

[@divx1001]

​@@skillbopster yeah, that goes for you too though. If they can be judgy, other people will also be judgy. Can't stop either part of them. So just sit back and relax?

[@lonelyberg1808]

I think if someone doesn't want to be with a man that's their problem but making a personal choice a movement is something else.

[@rondevvue]

ok I’m 6:57 minutes in and stopped watching. This video doesn’t need the interviewer - he keeps trying to “clarify” her points by putting his own spin on things. You’re not paraphrasing bro. Your bias is showing. Unwatchable.

[@TheVilniete]

You don't need to watch this misandry. Let us pray those brave women achieve their goals of zero fertility. Let us pray to achieve a negative fertility, like -100 or maybe -1000. One country in the world is on its way to achieve this goal for all of us. Unfortunately, evil Trump wants to stop it, but maybe Biden and Kamala will be quick enough to help those poor but brave and independent women to achieve their goals ❤

[@taisouza_]

He is doing man explaining ALL the time, I fee u

[@ShadowLearner]

Exactly he is using....radical.,. extreme....he is forcing his views

[@koopa5504]

@@taisouza_ Imagine literally being sexist.

[@antonioernesto7892]

Exactly!!

[@anitav3316]

I'd love to hear her two to three reasons, why did the recording stop there? I wish you didn't interrupt her so much.

[@Rallosz]

It basically comes down to the cost of living. It's too expensive to live, let alone raise a child

[@irmar]

The rest is behind a paywall on their websites. But if you search online you will find a great number of articles detailing this. Search for "sampo generation, Korea, birthrate.

[@jmn1811hk]

Wish you had let her talk and stop interrupting her so much.

[@gc4161]

Exactly

[@2012iwanttogohome]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@karenavey2183]

He embarrassed himself with his inability to stop talking. Shame on you,

[@aquafishes]

He's part of the "Interruption" movement. This movement was/is popular in America. It was started in 2016 by DJTrump 🤔

[@RambleMaven]

He so busy crafting the narrative for her he can’t just let her speak for herself. In court terms this is called leading the witness. I’ll try not to assume ill intent tho I haven’t seen his other interviews so I don’t know if he always does this or not.

[@MT-cn3qs]

Stephen , you should learn how to NOT interrupt a person who is talking. You did cut her in the middle more than a few times. Definitely an interesting interview and the topic of 4B movement . Like !

[@freddyt55555]

He was trying to help her when she was obviously struggling to express her thoughts in English. She may sound like she's a fluent English speaker to some, but it's obvious that Korean is still her primary language.

[@gamerarchives5874]

@@freddyt55555 exactly this. butt hurt feminists need to stop jumping to conclusions

[@celiojedi]

... is his job to interrupt and clarify before the subject change lanes... I can see that you are a very smart person, congrats...

[@avfaxakaegwa]

@@freddyt55555 That's misogyny. Just by looking at the host's attitude towards women, you can see how miserable women's human rights are there. :)

[@yourhandsarerough]

​@freddyt55555 wrong. what can he help her with in this topic about women? and she is fluen. it's especially irritating being interrupted like this when you're thinking of a word in a second language.

[@kategerry6162]

Feminism is about women having human rights. It is not radical to advocate for human rights. It seems radical to the interviewer because he is the product of a patriarchal society where women are not considered equal. He uses the phrase radical feminism and extreme but not the word murder. Why did they cut her off? Where is the rest of the interview??? 😕 Who are the interviewer and journalist?

[@billybobhaystraw4067]

Can’t stand interviewers who don’t let their guests speak.

[@Serai3]

I don't see one of those here. I see a guy throwing in the occasional comment to make sure the interviewee doesn't wander off the point, and to clarify things for the audience who, as he said, might not get what she means.

[@simplegarak]

@@Serai3 agreed. as someone not well versed in this topic I thought he did a good job tossing in clarifications without drowning her out.

[@celeste_xo]

He was horrible

[@Al.N2]

​@@Serai3 He is condescending. He is leading a very intelegent journalist as if she is inarticulate and stupid , and retells what she says as if we can't understand her on our own. And he interrupts all his guest all the time.

[@Serai3]

@@Al.N2 Man, I can't imagine the snit you get into when you have a conversation.

[@Leguinan]

These women are not extremists, they are trying to survive a very hostile environment. They have their reasons.

[@aoh4905]

There's less than 5 countries where women can feel safe walking alone at night. Korea is one of them. You're just one of those that gets easily brainwashed when 1-2 bad things happen.

[@user-cnksi223]

They are extremists sadly. But guys really don't care whether feminists support 4b. Most normal guys are too busy to date normal girls to care about people from some internet communities

[@rwf-br8hd]

The feminist movement is natural selection. Feminist genes are inferior, therefore they are not selected and have decided to not spread their cancerous genes to future generations. 4B all the way!

[@susiex6669]

Afghanistan is a very hostile environment. South Korea is far from perfect but lets not exagerate here. Id sooner live there than a long list of other countries on this planet.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"These women are not extremists" They are. Feminism is a terr()rist movement, and has always been sine its inception.

[@honeymoonavenue97]

Him interrupting her is the reason why the 4B movement is happening.

[@cathcath570]

Literally came here to comment that. I only watched the first five mins and have to stop because it’s so irritating.

[@junlee7386]

Elaborate

[@franwern519]

There are far more videos where the female constantly interrupts the interviewer, or the one interviewed. What do you say about that?

[@junlee7386]

@@franwern519 she'll not answer that lol shes a hypocrite

[@franwern519]

​@@junlee7386That what I think. Reading the comment section here is crazy, because so many have internalized and see themselves so much as the victim, that it seems they are incapable to even come close to think that maybe the cause of this so called problem are in many cases they themselves. The ability to think logically, practically and rationally is close to dead, all what matters is feelings, emotions and the great I, me, myself and I

[@EverydayKorean]

4B sounds similar to Gandhi's noncooperation movement. All they're doing is choosing not to participate. When you label them as 'radical feminist' they sounds dangerous and violent. It's not a fair characterization.

[@wreyamon4472]

I agree with you

[@soumya5832]

Wow never though of it that way it makes sense😮

[@meghanav79]

As a journalist and a founder of a media platform, using 'radical' or 'extremist' to describe the feminist movements mentioned in the video seems extremely unprofessional in the global sense.... while the interview as a whole seemed unbiased and informational, words like these usually give the situation a negative connotation.

[@Der.Geschichtenerzahler]

No media channel is unbiased. It only hurts the viewers when the bias goes against their own.

[@aoh4905]

How is it not radical? Anything that's terrible for society should be considered radical... sure we all want to live in a perfect world but it's never gonna happen when billions of lives are roaming around this planet. Yea let's just make things worst is a radical take... funny thing is korea is one of the safest countries for women and when something bad happens we all want to blame ALL men.

[@theyashuman]

But this isn't a uniquely women thing in Korea, even the comments from men are speaking about how it's more cuz of living expenses and societal stressors. Pushing all the blame to one side wont really fix the problem

[@user-cnksi223]

As a Korean who lives in Korea, I can say most Koreans know it is radical one. Even my feminist American friends who live in Korea now recognize it.. If you are Journalist, be smarter plz

[@alvinsmith3894]

@@aoh4905 A woman choosing to be single is radical? Is a man participating in no fap also an extremist?

[@kikakiko7454]

man let her talk! Also they way Korea disrespect women (like the interviewer does) is the reason of the 4B existence

[@indrasihombing1224]

Why is he always cutting her story 😅

[@opharahanglin9624]

Please include Chinese males, too. They buy North Korean women and do unthinkable things to them.

[@JohnPopcorn06]

The reason women disrespect men is the reason incels and mgtow exists. How does that sound?

[@TheVilniete]

❤We must help those brave women to achieve their goals of zero fertility. Even negative fertility, like -1000. Actually, this feminist goal should be global goal. Fortunately, one country is mostly ready to help us all to achieve this noble goal. Unfortunately, evil Trump wants to stop it. But maybe Kamala and Biden are quick enough to start it. ❤

[@inna6122]

He talks a lot😂😂 I watched for 3 mins. and read the comments!haha Im done🤦‍♀

[@nishant7452]

bro could you stop interrupting her i want to hear what she has to say and mf jumps in with another tangential question please

[@aradiamegido2965]

Ppl think asking questions when someones already explaining something makes them look smart 😢

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@yourhandsarerough]

​@@debodatta7398tell me you haven't dated a woman from the Philippines without telling me. clown

[@raccoonchild]

@@debodatta7398 Imagine me being born through your peehole

[@mchjsosde]

Ok have fun with that? Literally no one cares. You sound like an incel threatening mail-order brides and it's almost sad. Also give your countrymen credit, Korean Feminism is different than Western because they are reacting to a different expression of sexism.​@@debodatta7398

[@DaveT383]

I lived in Seoul for well over a decade teaching university. I can't even count the number of conversations I had with young women who agonised over the conflict between societal expectations and their personal aspirations. It was pretty heart wrenching.

[@lisacervino6006]

When you are told theres a better world where ppl never die, everyone lives happy and rich and we all love each other.. then you come back to reality then of course anybody will feel bad.. but if someone told you theres a world where people are enslaved and you are tortured daily and then eaten alive but leave enough just so u can live and experience the torture more.. then come back to reality on your couch watching tv eating some snacks then all of a sudden this world isnt that bad... perspective is key and they are brainwashing women to think theres some sort of paradise world out there and making them think they need more than they have.. its sad.. many girls dreams is to have kids and a family yet in korea its the opposite.. smh manipulation is scary

[@Comebackherein2050]

So interviewer is a reason for 4B movement

[@ridhamatri9447]

And you're a reason for incel movement 😂

[@oliviaw.2842]

I hope she gets interviewed again by someone who would let her finish! She sounds so intelligent and assured and intelligent and we didn't get the full effect of that. Very hard to watch but hopefully it's a learning lesson for the interviewer to not try to overshadow the speaker next go around.

[@lonelyberg1808]

What are you talking about? Men interrupt men, women interrupt women, women interrupt men and vice versa. Will you say it's mysogyny or something? It may be rude but he wasn't mean or anything. It seems that you are calling mysoginy for anything and everything. It's getting ridiculous

[@SridhaBanik23]

​@@lonelyberg1808 it's just simple M_A_N_N_E_R . Which simply most men don't have.

[@missesbimbeaux]

@@lonelyberg1808 ............ clearly it was a joke, calm down

[@katelynobrien7415]

Maybe the women started the movement in response not just to the killer, but media like this reinforcing his central viewpoint as a "reasonable" expectation that women owe dating and sex to men. We don't, and when it angers men to hear us assert right over our own body, even though we want to date, all the red flags go up regarding that angry man.

[@AdityaJape]

your been insensitive to social issues also every human being needs company nothing wrong on accepting it

[@exploring_k1254]

​​@@AdityaJapeYOU are being insensitive to social issues... women are saying they want to have a say, especially when it comes to their body and life, and this is your response?

[@lwms120]

Its a mans and a womans job to have kids and raise them. If you cant take that reality, its mother natures work and natural selection that your bloodline will die out

[@sanjuanfromsomewhere]

​@@AdityaJapeWe can accept that we all need company, and accept that nobody is entitled to company, at the same time

[@AdityaJape]

@@exploring_k1254 🤣🙏 ok enjoy your masterbation and single life

[@IceQueenaliasIQ]

Since when are you a radical feminist if you simply take personal life choices in a free society??? It's not like they are saying "women should". They say "I will not do XY." So where is the problem? If a man does "no-fap-november" or if anyone goes on a diet, are they radical, too???

[@henrytep8884]

No fap November is definitely radical and also has a high fail rate.

[@SeraYagami]

It's because they hate the fact that they need a woman. Oppression is the only way they know. This movement will make sure that their disgusting legacy and values won't be passed to the next-gen. Only good men will get access to women and their future generations.

[@exploring_k1254]

This is exactly the point. It's free-will until it affects men then it's radical. From what I understood is the movement came to be as a way to send a message that women want their choices heard and that they have their rights too in a society where there are men and women.

[@ouui]

I guess Korean women are not used to fight for their rights, so when they do they see it as an exaggerated behaviour.

[@OrionDuCros]

Being selfish and destroying korean society as a result.

[@Vousmevoyezzz_]

Men getting mad and calling the movement "radical" and "extremist" it's a sign that these korean women should keep fighting for respect and support from their own country

[@persia888]

He assumes the feminist’s motivation is money??? How about it’s valid anger!

[@메튜-c9q]

그게 맞아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아닌척 하지마

[@bubbleaisle5946]

​@@메튜-c9q coming from a feminist, NO. Though money might be one of our major focuses (it's same for men), our motivation is freedom of act and not money. We need money cause it gives freedom, so freedom is what motivates us to make money.

[@메튜-c9q]

@@bubbleaisle5946왜 4B운동 같은 멍청한 운동에 돈을 줘야 하나요?? ㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 각자 알아서 사세요. 뭔 두살짜리 아기도 아니고

[@inkagarden8939]

I know he makes it so cheap, this whole interview is an insult to brave women, who at a time held or still hold views that are yes, a bit tight, but it was a beginning, also, he talks about her friend, we do not know the context of that conversation. Maybe they talk about having sex with her boyfriend while still studying, but I think that would be wrong to do, bc that would out you in risk of not finishing your career due to pregnancy or due to being murdered by a physcho, who knows how that conversation really went. I’m married, but I married into my 30’s and I think marriage truly stinks, marriage is a financial entity and this is the BASIS of what marriage is, the one person who makes ALL THIS POSSIBLE IS THE WOMAN in the marriage, this is one of the reasons why many societies did not want to accept gay marriages, bc from the financial point of view, without children in it, without the traditional EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN within marriages, it will not work as it has always been. Men are leeches and we women provide the blood, so no wonder leeches want women to stay available as easy prey forever. I say, if you are young, try to have sex in the safest possible way, but if you can, DO NOT HAVE SEX, DO NOT MARRY AND DO HAVE CHILDREN, specially until you have your own money, your career and you have reached your goals. Do not take the pill and sleep around, you might have some “fun” but in the long run, men are just leeches, they TAKE MORE THAN THEY GIVE in such situation, and in marriage too, so, truly, if you can, avoid all of the above, but for this to work well for women, we need more and more women on board, of course each should be FREE to do whatever fits them, including having as much sex as each want, getting married and having hopefully zero kids or just a few, bc the world has not resources for so many humans, but the better way is for a young woman, to no have sex (maybe only make love if you find the right person to make love with, which is difficult again, bc men are leeches and to make love, you need to GIVE, but many men only know how to TAKE) the better way for a single woman is to have no children and the better way for a married women is to have no children or very very few in any case. In the long run, you will see, that society had brainwashed you, pressured you and indoctrinate you to be THEIR SLAVE, THEIR BLOOD SUPPLY and that all you got was a bunch of unfullifing and unpleasant moments, full men who are idiots and violent or simply horrible people and full of women who are envious, bitter, evil and who support the system as it is and never really tell the young generation THE TRUTH of being a woman on this earth.

[@MariaPaula-uw3ds]

"Tell me you know nothing about feminism workouts telling me you know nothing about feminism"

[@J0IJ0IJ0I]

WHY ARE YOU NON-STOP INTERRUPTING HER JESUS CHRIST. The fact that you’re interrupting her so much feels borderline misogynistic. Not calling you it… but when you were talking to her about the incident, you jumped to call it “mental illness” instead of listening to her full point.

[@Kari-8xtqm]

😂

[@menonalevi6984]

You sound so misandric

[@FeelTehPOWA]

@@menonalevi6984 misandry does not exist

[@mmm...-be7zx]

Typical man

[@peapod6747]

He is a misogynist. He made excuses for the attacker to show that women were overreacting. That misogyny isnt real, it was just a 1 in a billion accident by a mentally ill person. He said men were the ones being hurt and discriminated against by the feminist. That somehow, a men being told "no" by women, is more serious than women being killed by men just for existing.

[@anso7613]

Stephen this is one of your worst interview. Your biais came just 5 min right in the video WoW

[@audeai4021]

Me watching this as a woman who would choose the bear and cringing from the whole interview. I don't like generalization movements; but there is a reason why women around the world all think the same about encountering a strange man. I have never heard my male friends say they are scared of being alone with a female stranger; but I would say that ALL my female friends would tell you that they instantly get a physical reflexive fear when they realize they are alone with a male stranger. Also, I would say that most of my female friends have stories of being made to feel unsafe sexually (and some of them even having actual sexual harassment or sexual abuse story) by males of their acquaintance. I think where this show gets it wrong is that there is an assumption that the 4B is about birth rate when in reality it is about female safety.

[@DoubleDown310]

That's a lie

[@chelsea7229]

It was so disrespectful that you kept cutting her off.

[@ladybug3380]

He doesn’t respect women.

[@Aldraz]

not sure if you are real or trolling lol

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@Aldraz]

@@debodatta7398 I've listened to more korean girls and they've all said it's a very small percentage of women who act radical like that. You'd probably find the same percentage in any other random country. Although I agree with you that Koreans in general shifted towards western (US) mindset in many things, like having tattoos for example, but I think it's gonna be the same as with this 4B movement and it is temporary and people will grow out of this phase like she said.. seems very likely to me at this point. Especially when US will lose the dominance it had and instead people will focus more on China.

[@sulcheri]

@@debodatta7398 no one cares

[@purrfekt]

I watched the whole thing... Was waiting for her "2-3 reasons" before you cut it off. I feel so betrayed XD

[@Alexandra-Rex]

I'm guessing another video will show more of the interview. The title of this video was covered though.

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@debodatta7398 What nonsense exactly?

[@propertymanager9149]

@@debodatta7398 you are not korean

[@e.001]

@@debodatta7398 This is exactly the problem right here. You missed the whole damn point so much it flew miles above your head.

[@astriddahl9854]

This episode has put me off Asian Boss completely. This host is so biased, the hints and steering the conversation in a quite anti-feminist direction. Movements don't grow out of the fringe unless large groups see some truth in them. It's the broader fundamental issues of inequality that resonate with the majority that gives movements momentum.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"This host is so biased" - No, the host is actually very realistic.

[@thierrytecumseh734]

You have absolutely no clue about this topic. Radical toxic feminism in Korea has nothing to do with equality and is all about hate. If you knew about them, you would think differently.

[@wreyamon4472]

This channel is biased. Even when he was interviewing an Indian person (who now prolly is an Indian American), he didn't listen to other side of the story.

[@DoubleDown310]

Bye Felicia

[@RollerBladingSuxs]

As a male. I stand and support 4 B

[@bluecrusader9136]

Thanks for admiting you're gay.

[@chuuli]

I think you should conduct such an interview with a female interviewer who doesn't have misogynistic bias baked in to his subconcious from living as a man in Korea.

[@lycan2494]

womp womp

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

Not only the interviewer, but the interviewee too is trivializing and derogating the cause behind the movement. She seems to come from a privileged background so much so that she can be safe from any male violence anytime any day and he just can't wrap his head around the idea how women can want to be free from men's company and marrying men and giving birth to children in any situation. In lot of the comments here, people wrote he was interrupting her, which I didn't find to be a major thing after watching the video. But it's definitely like he intentionally called such an interviewee who would trivialize and negatively criticize the movement and together they would call the women choosing 4B as radical, extremists etc. It's very cheap of him (and her too, for agreeing with him) to assume the driver of this movement is donation and money. It's heartbreakingly sexist and inhumane of them to discuss the impact of female-centric policies on males but then not discuss the anti-gender equality politics of the conservative PPP party on women. Lastly, it's very extremist to write 4B movement to be an infamous one. It's very famous among the women who know about this. By calling it infamous, they are viewing it from the perspective of toxic and entitled man-children, which is a shameful POV for a channel expected to be neutral and unbiased.

[@user-cnksi223]

Bro.. you know nothing about Korea.😂 American...

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@user-cnksi223 Sis, it's true I don't know much about Korea. I am not American btw. But are you Korean? And a woman? If yes, tell me why do you find my comment ignorant?

[@user-cnksi223]

1. Most Koreans don’t even know what the 4b movement is. This came from a Korean internet community, but the general public doesn't even know what it is. Rather, I am just surprised at how the Western world can be interested in and influenced by Korea's small Internet community these days. 2. Korean men generally support the non-marriage ideology of radical feminists active on the Internet. In the first place, Korean men don't even want to date them. 3. Americans tend to preach not only to Korea but also to other foreign countries under the illusion that they know better than the locals. But if you get the chance, come to Korea. The streets are full of couples. I have lived in the United States, Europe, Japan, and the Philippines, but there is no country other than Korea where there are so many couples on the streets.

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@user-cnksi223 Look I agree the western media cherry-pick many things from Asian, middle-eastern, African countries and then show their own narratives and oftentimes that creates a false picture of the people of these countries to the western people so much so that they act upon it and discriminate and harass people from these countries when they visit the western countries. But here I don't agree that any of the Western media showed the 4B movement to their people or the people of the world. Instead, this movement got known to people through social media, I got to know about it through social media, and it's one of the greatest thing I have known, ever. But this is exactly the reason the mainstream media, be it Western, Asian or from other places, won't show it, at least not as it is. Here I can see this independent KZbin channel (AsianBoss) also chose to demonize and derogate it, mostly, and it doesn't even have the reach the mainstream media has. Do you know why? Because it's tremendously popular among the women who came to know about it, and it'll be popular to all the laywomen, and the people controlling the society and hence media don't want that to happen. Because it'll fuel the crumbling of the current patriarchal structure of our society, and harm the powerful, and they obviously don't want that. Two such exact kind of things that I remember happening in my country was also suppressed in a similar way. Some people were experimenting with distributing UBS (universal basic income) to all the adults of some villages modelled for an experiment, and the result showed an increased focus on education, health care, children care and yes, women's emancipation in terms of separation from men and in-laws and divorce. Immediately after that the researchers were stopped from circulating the experiment to public because the powerful men don't want their wives to divorce them and in general, they don't want women to be financially independent starting from their adulthood, so they stopped the process even if UBS could have liberated everyone, men, women. Another incident I know is a spiritual movement where women who didn't want to marry were encourage to come to a shelter and choose a life of spirituality away from men, away from the expectations of marriage, motherhood, domestic, sexual, emotional labor under the patriarchal system. A violent mob literally broke those shelters, beat the women there and file cases in the courts. So yeah, mainstream and not-so-mainstream media are only out there witch-hunting a movement like 4B. It's the women in social media that try hard to spread the news to other women in need.

[@zzzsss5437]

@@user-cnksi223 fr🤣 these "foreigners" don't know nothing but yapping.

[@chochothe8934]

Obviously the interviewer need to learn how to control his hands, his mouth, and his impulse to interrupt a woman.

[@lonelyberg1808]

I don't see anything wrong with the way he interrupted her. Most of the time he did it was to ask her questions so that the audience understands better the context

[@LunaLokiita]

He did it while she was in the middle of explaining and he often changed the focus. For instance, at 4:42 she is explaining herself and says “I think they” and he goes on to “so they caught him”. This is dismissing her thought process and not allowing her to develop more on her thoughts. It is also a new piece of info he is looking for while she is still explaining her previous answer. This happens several times. It’s not just the normal interview interruptions for clarification and to keep things on topic. It’s an urge to rush her. I’ve seen him do this a few times and the last time was to another Asian woman as well. Just an observation.

[@gebruderschwarzwald7931]

I so agree.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"Obviously the interviewer need to learn how to control his hands, his mouth, and his impulse to interrupt a woman." - No. Actually a woman needs to taught how to not be a feminist idi()t.

[@janicewolk6492]

I think this guy is being unfairly criticized. He is the interviewer.

[@sakibfuseini891]

African black women should definitely adopt this movement

[@devilslayer3548]

Good luck with this dumb pointless movement

[@vanessaodey1202]

Nope!!!! Never!!!!

[@Seiren5454]

The interviewer made this almost unwatchable.

[@GuillermoPaulman]

How?

[@dotpegaso138]

@@GuillermoPaulman Just read the comments man

[@heyshawty6946]

Yea this shows how koreans are misogynistic..as a korean i hate about it

[@dchu11]

@@dotpegaso138the comments make no sense…the interviewer seemed very professional and respectful throughout the interview.

[@dotpegaso138]

@@dchu11 I totally disagree. There many actions taken by the interviewer that makes this interview bad, I’m fortunately enough to understand those nuances by myself. If you didn’t get it, I highly suggest you to take a look over the comments and try watch the interview again, with a different mind.

[@lotussong1]

As a Korean-American woman, I would never apologize for being a “radical” feminist. If I was living in S. Korea, I’d definitely fit the “4B” description. Yes I’m into K-beauty (especially skincare), and I like to dress in a feminine way. However, it’s for myself, not to attract men. Also, true feminism is about gender equality, not hating men. Even in the U.S., there is a gender wage gap. Globally, there are too many women and young girls who are mistreated (abused, assaulted, raped, etc.) or even killed for superficial reasons by men. Clearly, it’s wrong and unacceptable. If women don’t stand up for other women, who will?

[@vinaydhiwar8604]

Plz leave man made things

[@lotussong1]

@@vinaydhiwar8604 WTF, is that supposed to mean? Clearly, your English sucks. If you’re trying to insult me, then you did a poor job of it.

[@honeymoonavenue97]

Any time a woman says something wise she is called crazy or “radical.”

[@ridhamatri9447]

​@@honeymoonavenue97 coz they are. Such females need a psychiatrist!

[@A.H.59]

But the fact is that because you are into K-beauty, you dress in a feminine way, and you realize that true feminism is not about hating men, means that you are not a radical feminist at all, but a real feminist, to your credit.

[@quatsch344]

Why do people even care? Seems like it should be up to each person themselves to decide if they want to have sex or kids. If some people don’t want that it should be their right to not date or have kids.

[@rickgordon9289]

Incels are mad they can't get laid.

[@uu-kq6mn]

Thank you not everyone should have kids. Hopeful this movement weeds all the bad eggs in both genders.

[@aoh4905]

They don't. 4B movement is still less than 1% of the women's population there and it's dying out. Mainstream media just tried to grow it big.

[@josephp9141]

They don’t. The whole movement died like 5 years ago.

[@divx1001]

​@@josephp9141 seems they do care since there are these videos and interviews on this topic. Objectively speaking though it's a small movement that doesn't affect anyone. Why are people acting as if this movement is going to be the end of our species is beyond me.

[@efiasheilab.8047]

Thanks for the interview and the awareness on this 4B issue. I wish he would have defined what he meant by radical feminism because if the reasons why these women are not having kids and avoiding marriages is because they feel unsafe, crimes and abuse against women, and exploitation, disrespect from men and economical reasons, then it seems like it's more of a self-preservation, self-protection and self-respect and self-love reaction to an environment that is not safe enough for these women to trust men or even afford having kids. But, that if the circumstances would improve many of them (or some of them), like the friend of the guest, would actually enjoy to have a man, marriage, intimacy and children.

[@lrnook]

Movement? More like natural selection doing its thing. I'm fed up with people blaiming the younger generations when wrongs were done by criminals of the older generations.

[@vFNN]

What about changing this with politics? SK is still a democracy?

[@christiansnaturestudio6599]

@@vFNN full of beautiful women with nice pedicures?

[@vFNN]

​@@christiansnaturestudio6599 if you make no effort and just follow a self centered ideology nothing will change...

[@christiansnaturestudio6599]

@vFNN oh I have been putting LOTs of effort and growth to spark attraction to the women I want to date. It's not easy to be a guy with no options(as in not receiving much attention from women who are already interested). Most guys gave up in USA. Being decent is not enough nowadays

[@lrnook]

@@antaeku8038 I literally said CRIMINALS of the older generations Jesus Christ

[@MinJi_Scarlett]

I've never seen you poorly behaved, literally shocked. You normally behave in such a gentlemanly manner. Poorly done sir, poorly done.

[@blue_asahi]

Why? because the interview did not go as per your expected narrative?

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@blue_asahi because the interviewer was interrupting the interviewee.

[@젤리빈-p7w]

@@user-bw8yn3zr1sso many foreigners think Stephen Park is Korean but he’s actually a Taiwanese hwagyo pretending to be Korean. Chinese josunjok and Taiwanese hwagyos speak Korean but are NOT Koreans!

[@1Raheem]

@@젤리빈-p7w is that a big deal in east Asia?

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

its honestly not too surprising if u have been reading this channels' comment sections for the past 5 years. its been increasingly filled with incels and 4channers. the one short of the japanese girl who said her bf thought she was ugly was filled with all vitriol towards the girl. ive been watching them since their beginnings and they went downhill bad. they dont care about real journalism anymore. just clicks. hes lost his morals.

[@aradiamegido2965]

Fem·i·nist (noun) an advocate of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes; a person who supports feminism. "there are a million types of different women who consider themselves feminists but don't have the same agenda" adjective relating to or supporting feminism; advocating women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. "she became involved in the feminist movement" Rad·i·cal (Noun) a person who advocates thorough or complete political or social reform; a member of a political party or part of a party pursuing such aims. These women aren't extremists. They are political for the sake of gender equality. There needs to be more talk about the 4B movement, what they're doing and trying to achieve. All women want is to feel safe and respected for ONCE.

[@24killsequalMOAB]

Gender Equality is inherently impossible

[@berkutmig8319]

I reckon, he remarks the term radical to showcase how critical the situation is. I don't necessarily view it as something negative in this situation, considering how hard and bad women are having it in SK nowadays.

[@zencityvibes]

I think the real problem is that women don’t have time because they work full time, the 9-5 is actually 9-6 (1h lunch break) add to that getting ready and commute it’s 9-7, after that you are completely drained and you still need to cook, clean, shower … who has time to raise children on this schedule, I don’t even have time to date…

[@ThoughXperiment]

This "interview" it's trash. They didn't talked about the numbers on gender violent, they did a very crappy job at "explaining" the Nth room, the "so, she's okay now" when she said the female friend is marry now, everything was disgusting and made very clear where Korean patrichy stand.

[@SeldimSeen1]

The topic was about 4B, they stuck to the topic.

[@ssark9187]

For the love of God , let her talk.

[@EboshiOnna]

So the interviewer is the best example of misogyny when he keeps interrupting the journalist who is trying to explain her thoughts. Not very cool from him 😡

[@__Liza__]

exactly, it's so unbearable to listen omfg

[@skinnylele]

FOR REAAALLLL!!! argh so annoying, like dude let her talk

[@skillbopster]

So he hates all women because he interrupted one woman?

[@maryamhussain1902]

its BECAUSE MEN FEAR ESPECIALLY IN KOREA THEY FEAR! the fact that they are being confronted on WOMEN actually suffering in their country from the CAUSE OF MEN they want to cover it up. They feel attacked when really they should hold other men accountable.

[@123pb]

Its called being rude, Misogyny is the hatred of women. Misandry is the hatred of men and is what this movement and feminism promotes

[@Vanessa-ui6nq]

I am from Brazil, women are now realizing that being married, dating, having sex, getting pregnant aren't what they want for their lives because of violence against them from their partners, I believe that quite soon 4B moviment will be part of our societ too.

[@Fries225]

I really dont understand why so many people are triggered by this, who cares if some men and women don't want to be in a relationship? Plenty do, so just go find them. If these women think this will somehow make violent men stop abusing them (i doubt it, but who knows?) then shouldn't we just accept that they are technically advocating for something good? The fear mongering that Koreans will go extinct because of this is just ridiculous exaggeration that we see on the news all the time. I'm sure once the economy gets better people will feel more like socializing again.

[@studyou1016]

the white knights figure they'll have more of a chance to quench their yellow fever by painting korean men as overly misogynist even tho they know nothing about korean besides a few reels on youtube

[@luskaneseprince]

​@@hannesRSA Or it's because they are eager to let other women know that this is a choice they too can make, should they feel disappointed of relationships?

[@aoh4905]

Exactly.

[@bunnyv4228]

LOL ! Your comment shows u need to grow up and get educated. This is the problem with YT. every ignorant fool who knows nothing comes and start commenting

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@hannesRSA why you are wanting to rob the 4B people of their due voices? nobody's robbing you of yours, so why would you do so? it's clear you are the one through tantrum or seeking attention here, trying to silence others.

[@inkagarden8939]

The interviewer is trying to portrait the B4 movement of brave Korean women in BAD LIGHT. You can read his facial expressions when he hears what the women were trying to denounce, also for about 40 % the interview he was cutting his guess of, interrupting, DOMINATING the conversation, etc. He show no sympathy nor understanding for how WRONG Korean society treats women and how much Asian society protects ABUSERS and MISOGYNISTS. He should have expressed his admiration towards those brave women who tried to organize themselves and find ways to PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM WOMEN’S HATERS, ADMIRABLE KOREAN WOMEN WHO TOOK ACTION TO CHANGE THEIR MISERABLE SITUATION AS VULNERABLE INDIVIDUAL IN A SOCIETY THAT PROTECTS MEN AND GIVE POWER AND CONTROL ONLY TO MEN.

[@Chiayiklin]

Apparently, you are not so different from those woman hating misogyny while youself were a misandrist who is hating on man. That doesn't show any sign of equality at all

[@Marcus_MG42]

Yeah, it's his show and he can do whatever he wants. Your feminist tone-policing is very low-IQ.

[@thierrytecumseh734]

You clearly don’t know a thing about this country and just assume those women are justified feminists. Toxic feminism in Korea openly espouses make misandry. And your conception of Korean society is terribly marred by groundless prejudice. This country is not nearly as sexist or misogynistic as you think. Your words are oversimplified and over sensationalist.

[@i.m.international8180]

I find it very disturbing when he keeps on interrupting when she is speaking...he should wait till she finish her answering the question.

[@lycan2494]

womp womp

[@yetanothergodlessheathen-y1h]

Women wear makeup because THEY choose to do so ... not because men "require" women to use it.

[@erikagehm2805]

Toxic societal expectations (shamed for not staying home/keep working etc), potential toxic in-laws, little to no social help, economics, and the numerous in and outs of being a woman.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Mothers should stay at home to care for children. The alternative is expensive daycare. Social help should come from extended family. Leave toxic people. Economics is not an excuse. You're in South Korea, one of the richest countries in the world. Look at how bad things are in North Korea.

[@thedude9014]

@@DieNibelungenliad true and your mom works for home and makes money , btw is she free today at 14:00 for sucky sucky??

[@wordzmyth]

It is such a shame the opportunity for the society to change and become safer was ignored and instead the young men became radicalised to the right. It really was a chance for men to support each other to treat women in a more healthy way. Being scared to have a relationship with men is not the same as not wanting to. Some very famous celebrity men were in those gr*pist chat rooms so trust was lost.

[@glitzerplastikchichi]

@@DieNibelungenliad Society - especially men - should stop expecting children and the work that comes with them to be a given. By the way, daycare doesn't have to be that expensive at all. The fact that daycare is expensive is a political decision and not a law of nature. What is completely swept under the rug is that staying at home entirely increases the risk of domestic violence, financial abuse and poverty for mothers. Children also benefit in terms of their school performance and social skills when mothers go to work. This is empirically proven. Stop trying to patronize women in their decisions!

[@Walker-ow7vj]

@@glitzerplastikchichibruh if I’m marrying any girl I’m expecting a kid tf 🤨that’s why I’m wit a Latina she ain’t on KZbin typing all this

[@moroccotraveler]

The phrase "extremist feminists"....wow. Attempting to turn the tables / disengage from sexist men seems like a pretty chill form of resistance in the scheme of things. Neither person here seems very versed in feminist history or theory. Would have been better to hear from someone in the movement.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"Neither person here seems very versed in feminist history or theory." - I am extremely versed in feminist theories, and it has been proven that feminists are actually very low IQ overall.

[@sim9373]

Any woman who follows this 4B stuff: Nobody is affected by this except yourself. The sun will rise and fall, the world will still continue and your absence will not be noticed.

[@valhallakombi7239]

@@sim9373 Love how your statements keep proving why feminism keeps going "radical" in the first place

[@nonebeach]

if they wanted someone from the movement, it'd be some fat chick instead.

[@A.H.59]

Every movement has its extremists, and in this case the extremists are the radical feminists. Unfortunately they end up hurting the genuine feminists who do not hate men but just want equality.

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

The comments are just showing a bit of man hate.... Sounds like some have made bad choices and are now bitter.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

Or is it that women are systematically being treated badly? Not only by society, but also in the home?

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

@@Marika-tx5nu Both things could be true. Read the comments and tell me you don't feel any bitter energy pointed at men. Edit: Let me just add, hating on bad men is fine. Hating on men in general is not.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv don’t you agree that women should be bitter?

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

@@Marika-tx5nu At men in general? No, that would be sexist lol.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv surely watching a video about 4B should suggest that it’s political issue, do you feel misled about my question? Or are you mentioning sexism because your human rights are in threat?

[@rw9207]

I love the way, women choosing to make decisions about their own lives, is considered an, "extremist movement"... I think that says a lot.

[@whitey1253]

Patriarchy is Korea is the the most extreme I've seen. Why only call feminists extreme?

[@user-cnksi223]

Young people even don't want patriarchy in Korea lol that's tough for men as well..

[@juliee593]

It's a good way to keep the status quo. Label people who want change as extremists, no matter how logical their arguments are.

[@user-cnksi223]

@@juliee593 pls read what I wrote. No one wants it lol

[@juliee593]

@@user-cnksi223 yeah, maybe a lot of young korean men don't want it either because they realise how the patriarchy hurts them. But there are people, like older men in positions of power, who benefit from it. And those are the ones who want to label feminists as extreme so that people won't question the way things are.

[@user-cnksi223]

@juliee593 they made poor Korea rich. They've been working hard for their family and country. Honestly, They didnt benefit from that.. it hurts men. I respect older generation because they were strong

[@brianj4705]

These days, for their safety many people don't get married. Because these days people can get along with by themselves, they dont need to get married. We can read so many homicide accidents especially in Korea and global world.

[@j.c.9302]

As per usual, nobody watched the video and went straight to weaving their own assumptions and narratives.

[@SeraYagami]

If the people who need to listen actually listened, this movement won't have a reason to exist in the first place, haha.

[@flyinpug3791]

Because Asian boss is gay

[@meandyouagainstthealgorith5787]

In part because people leave their KZbin setting set for displaying the most popular comments instead of seeing new comments. For a comment to become popular the comment must be posted quickly. One cannot wait until the end of the video to comment. Such comments will never be read.

[@discursion]

@@Akma_devil I think he/she just meant that if men actually cared to listen, there would not be the necessity of strongly affirming this type of independence. The 4B movement is pushing against the social pressures and norms that in large part driven by males expectations in patriarchal societies. If males gave more importance to female voices, if they listened to their actual needs and granted them more power, there would be no need to pushback because those gender conventions wouldn’t exist as strongly.

[@vFNN]

@@Akma_devil Just wondering what value these statistical years you seem to commit your entire life to have? Living longer as an old single pensioner? But I guess people have different dreams...

[@nikolettalexandra5523]

I am so disappointed. They were downplaying the nth room case too... Not mentioning that a lot of minors were involved! Not women but girls! Girls in high school! Not mentioning Burning Sun either! And these are just the big cases I am aware of! They are downplaying the situation! 4B is not radical! Not extremist! Women just want to be safe! I am a foreigner and even I can understand that!!!

[@99syl]

There was a twitter/X thread from a Korean woman that went viral around the time this video was uploaded I think, and it said not to believe what men says about the 4B movement, and that Korean women would be afraid to talk even slightly positively about the movement, in fear of being branded as a feminist, which in current times in Korea means that it would put a target on her. The news linked in the thread alongside the misogynistic firing & targeted harrasment of women in the Korean games industry that I knew about beforehand + molka + the recent news of men from the burning sun scandal walking freely right now makes me think that South Korea actually has so many issues that make women there feel unsafe. I genuinely can understand if they support this movement based on those information. Unsubscribed to this channel because I feel it didn't explain it well at all. The people seem like they didn't actually dive deep into this topic, it only seems biased.

[@JinroToad]

Twitter is hotbed for korean feminists so you cant really get neutral info.

[@2x1qsdqw40]

said by radical feminist twitter full of misandry femcel

[@hmmm2564]

Lol 🤣 . Go visit Korea instead of believing people from behind their avatars

[@99syl]

Those "people behind avatars" included links to actual news which informed me as I've said. Also, if you search for videos explaining this issue on KZbin now, you can find others that are way better than this video, and that actually interviewed experts on gender issues + feminist movements in Korea. And honestly, why would I visit Korea as a woman after hearing all those things? Not very good marketing for tourism LOL

[@hmmm2564]

@@99syl I have seen them.plus the many more Korean women denying the 4b popularity

[@LB-uo7xy]

This dude and his interruptions is why 4B movement got started. 😂

[@Cakebattered]

Don't get it twisted. 4B movement was birthed out of a bad economy.

[@devilslayer3548]

Yes because no female interrupt people

[@changingscripts]

Let her speak! Women who are sick of limited choices and a unforgivingly rigid culture are not radical, they are fed up! This isnt just happening in SK and it will not get better until women are treated better.

[@damekthorpe194]

No sex will lead to no marriage, no child, no dating

[@vanessakutima107]

Korea has deep seated issues that go far beyond a few years ago, this interview could have been so much more insightful

[@mnaoitb1]

BLAMING WOMEN for mens problems and systems....typical

[@LivLanita]

🤍🤍🤍

[@thierrytecumseh734]

Blaming men for everything and creating phantom problems…typical of toxic feminism isn’t it?

[@cocococococo7091]

😂😂

[@Nope-c9i]

Blaming men for women problem? Definitely 😂

[@maxalbert8903]

"The primary causes of low birth rates are more economic and social rather than ideological, emphasizing housing affordability and childcare challenges." And why don't women in a wealthy environment have more children if this mainstream statement were true?

[@nguyendi92]

Yeah, and the poorer the economical status of the parents, they will likely have more children than wealthy people?

[@PasserMontanus]

They definitely have more children than Korean women.

[@b-meuwu1236]

capitalism and housing crisis

[@studyou1016]

there is a stark difference between families not having the economic ability to have their first child vs wealthy families choosing to have more children. the lack of something does not logically translate to the surplus of the same thing if conditions were to be met 🤣 Just because someone can afford to buy more cars doesn't mean they will, similarly, the ability to have more children doesn’t mean families will choose to do so

[@sevenproxies4255]

What do you mean by "wealthy enviroment"? The GDP of a country can put it in the "wealthy" category, but that doesn't mean that the average person enjoys a particularly wealthy lifestyle where the costs of living are small compared to their income.

[@BB1990x]

She is so much more intelligent than him. He sits like he is powerful but she has to explain things to him like he’s a child.

[@Ffffjjjje]

unfollowed because asianboss dude finally showed his misogynistic bias

[@Marcus_MG42]

How about you eff-off to another one of those estrogenic prattling channels?

[@ridhamatri9447]

And you showed your misandrist bias.

[@nalaa9618]

@@ridhamatri9447 keep quiet...ewww

[@poolmoorang]

@@ridhamatri9447 says one angry misogynist, who actually desperately wants acceptance, approval, and love. "pick me, love me, admire me".

[@arindamphonglosa5077]

@@poolmoorang both of you are miserable people ....so quick to put each other in a stereotype, category, boxes etc

[@mariners_platter]

All the men say it’s about housing, cost of living, money… the way they treat women? No way that could be causing the fertility rate to drop😮 lol.

[@hmmm2564]

It is a major factor

[@NBrown-kh8lp]

Why not have a woman on that’s actually apart of the movement, and not someone that can’t really articulate what the real issue is

[@BlackRaven000]

And keep the interrupting interviewer?

[@alexponce4595]

They should’ve interviewed a women in the 4B movement!!

[@lexaneli]

So it's a war if humans chooses to not get married or have kids? So it's a war to do whatever you want with your life? Good grief. Have kids if you want to, can afford to, found the partner to have a family with and have the support to take care of them.

[@joyce132]

Hard to watch. Let her finish her thoughts and sentences.

[@beninghati6003]

Let she finished her speaking dude.... Omg

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

English plz

[@bethanymarie2376]

Appreciate the insight here, but I stopped counting the number of times he interrupted her to explain something that she was already explaining. The irony...

[@Narcissus3]

Great Movement! All women around the world should consider this.

[@dy578]

What's stopping you from being single? Breakup with your bf. If you hate men that much.

[@YouSuprised]

Then I would call this a death cult of weak depressed people pretending to care about other women, while nature revolves around endurance, durability, strength and continuity. Mother nature will tell most of these young women they are going to sorely regret their choice when they hit the age they cannot conceive children anymore. It is wicked and deceptive.

[@Dakyta252]

​@dy578 it's not about hating men 🙄 But how men are preferred in avery aspect and u as a woman always takes the short end in everything. U get 0 benefits. It's very much unfair Why would in a modern society still be the standard from the past anyway???

[@tobi79777]

@@dy578 4B does not encourage hatred of men. Only those 4 items. You can still be friends with men and respect them.

[@Narcissus3]

@@dy578 Noone asked your suggestion. F off

[@hpyzig6362]

My takeaway in this interview is both interviewee and interviewee trivializes the 4B Movement. It didn’t really make me understand the root of the issue (historical, psychological, socioeconomic, political, emotional) that drove these women towards 4B. Based on this interview, SK society has gotten over it and “radical feminism” is just a societal nuisance.

[@hmmm2564]

Because it is not a big movement in South Korea

[@MsLacieable]

wow this interviewer just proved why there is 4B movement in the first place

[@juhilla749]

Why is the reporter so aggressive? His use of words and the fact that he interrupts and he talks more than the woman is unpleasant to watch and listen to.

[@JConestar]

Agree 100%

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

He's trying to dominate the conversation and the guest

[@user-rl7wt24f4u7]

Seoul National University published the '2019 Korea Happiness Report'. This survey was conducted over 365 days last year, targeting 1.05 million people. Korean women in their 20s and 30s were the most materialistic, had the lowest gratitude index (the degree to which they felt gratitude), and had the highest level of neuroticism (emotional anxiety). They also had a high tendency to compare themselves to others.

[@TheSciFiTherapist]

I love how many times he interrupts her as she’s explaining.

[@alfaeco15]

It is a disgrace to treat such beautiful women so badly.