The Infamous “4B Movement” in Korea Explained

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[@85percentGlobalScamCalls]

I am with the 4S movement not 4B

[@85percentGlobalScamCalls]

4S over 4B

[@RanDom-II]

Link didn't work. But really, this was another redundant video. The key info about 4B and it's origins could have been covered in 5 minutes.

[@sushimaccheese]

Hi team, just letting you know that the link doesn't work, the page says the domain has expired

[@akhilkanagaraj9885]

When I came to Korea, I had basically only studied the Korean economy and didn't know much about Kpop or Kdramas. Maybe if you all share videos like this, people will stop fetishising you.

[@billybobhaystraw4067]

Can’t stand interviewers who don’t let their guests speak.

[@Serai3]

I don't see one of those here. I see a guy throwing in the occasional comment to make sure the interviewee doesn't wander off the point, and to clarify things for the audience who, as he said, might not get what she means.

[@J0IJ0IJ0I]

WHY ARE YOU NON-STOP INTERRUPTING HER JESUS CHRIST. The fact that you’re interrupting her so much feels borderline misogynistic. Not calling you it… but when you were talking to her about the incident, you jumped to call it “mental illness” instead of listening to her full point.

[@Mort7an]

As soon as you start using words like 'radical' and 'extreme' (which the interviewer annoyingly does from the very beginning) you are showing your own bias, loading the debate and lose any pretence to objectivity. A woman wanting to make decisions about her own life is not a radical extremist.

[@MM-qt2pc]

Agree 100%

[@socialenigma4476]

Not dating and having sex is very anti-human. You are denying yourself your basic human needs. Seems pretty radical and extreme to me.

[@flyinpug3791]

It’s totally extremist

[@elvisalanbay7443]

​@@socialenigma4476 noo??

[@kawaiitoshii8403]

@@socialenigma4476 it is not.

[@SeraYagami]

4B is not a gender war. It's a women's safety movement. Physical and emotional safety.

[@homeland1128]

finally, someone with brain

[@Abhinav_Nayana_Sailen]

Explain pls

[@christiansnaturestudio6599]

As a man I don't feel safe as I don't have options to begin with to date

[@sevenproxies4255]

They won't feel very "safe" when they start getting old and are childless and marriageless with no one to look out for or care for them and when sociak safety nets break down because these women messed up the population demographics on purpose so there aren't enough elderly care workers or money for elderly care anymore.

[@henrytep8884]

@@christiansnaturestudio6599how you don’t feel safe? Being single doesn’t mean you can’t feel safe, also stop trying to get validation through the opposite sex. But you victimizing yourself only trivializes the concern people should have for your love life. You need to drop the ego and then love yourself enough or deal with whatever trauma you have that made you this way.

[@BakaKageyamaBaka]

Just saw the Burning Sun BBC documentary and it answers so many questions about the South Korean government and society. Why on earth would a woman voluntarily bring life into a society where she is not respected, valued and protected? Where their perpetrators are let go with a slap on the wrist. Yeah, I'm not surprised to see the women in SK taking matters into their own hands for their survival.

[@todddecoteau2547]

They did for all of human history.... They WILL when societies protections and values disappear completely.

[@vFNN]

What about changing this with politics? SK is still a democracy?

[@BakaKageyamaBaka]

@@vFNN You should read the comments made by the South Korean president about feminism during his election campaign. That will show you how bleak things are in SK.

[@vFNN]

@@BakaKageyamaBaka Yeah so what? He isn't president for lifetime. #democracy Hate between generations solves nothing...

[@arihantkumar6469]

Because most women do it. You genuinely think all South Korean women end up in 4B category? If you lived in SK, only a fringe few are in 4B.

[@user-dr1ld1md4e]

I am a Korean high school student. If people are aware that I have watched this video and agreed with her, my personal information (where I live, my school, etc.) will be spread through the Internet, and my face photo will be synthesized into a nude photo and will be sexually harassed. (My photo, which I have never posted on the Internet, is used without my consent.) Also, my family and I may be threatened with murder and be assaulted indiscriminately on the street. A few months ago, a part-timer in a store was assaulted by a drunk man for having short hair and suffered permanent damage to her ear. He recognized her short hair as the Escape the Corset movement and assaulted an innocent woman, saying feminist should be hit. That is why feminists cannot be seen in real life in Korea. It is very dangerous to be identified as feminist unless it is a place where only women or social media like Twitter where anonymity is guaranteed. Certainly, the 4B movement doesn't come up in reality. But the statistics show that marriage and birth rates continue to fall. These days, domestic violence continues to be more brutal in Korea, and young women are reluctant to date men. The 4B movement will spread more and more. Sentences can be awkward using a translator. I'm so happy that the 4B movement is known to the world. Thank you for reading a long article.

[@taichidog]

I am so very sorry that you have to live in this environment and with such opression.

[@hmmm2564]

You are not Korean. I lived in Korea. I saw professional women and actresses with short hair

[@Lily____ce]

@hmmm2564 I guess that you where in Korea when women having short hair was just viewed uncommon and new😢 These days people easily assume women in short hair as feminist and could be threatened by it. Even an Olympic gold medalist got harassed for her short hair by male netizens who suspected her as feminist. So sadly I have to agree with the main comment. Yes, it’s the worst-case scenario but it had happened and could again.

[@hmmm2564]

@@Lily____ce male neitzins existed then. Those are our incels and red pillers. And Korean women still wear short hair

[@user-fb2lb6ko1b]

​@@hmmm2564 한남검거🤏

[@Dee8Bee]

They aren't hurting others, their wish is to be on their own. They have rights and the freedom to choose what kind of life they want. I don't see that as radical. Is just a life choice, just as no eating meat is or no drinking alcohol.

[@vFNN]

It is an ideology - if that isn't radical enough...

[@ThangPVan_]

Even it can literally kill a nation

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@propertymanager9149]

the movement has like 4000 people most koreans dont care that they exist. incels and femcels exist

[@no-qe9tb]

I mean, no one's belittling your choice to choose other women. Why do you feel entitled to belittle their life choices?

[@theyashuman]

Dude, Let her finish a sentence without changing direction of the conversation 🤫

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@AS-cs9gi]

​@@debodatta7398can you shut up

[@m0nz13]

@@debodatta7398Good luck, most of the mail-to-order brides come with all sorts of monetary expectations and agencies won’t supply unless you have the money or meet certain requirements :)

[@morningcalmrisingsun]

@@debodatta7398 Dude, it's not the majority sentiment of Korean women. People of both sexes aren't marrying and having kids because of bleak future of the Korean economy.

[@srividhyag.b.738]

​@@debodatta7398 may be if you stop expecting your women to be a beauty doll, imposing all those inhuman beauty standards, and treat your women right, respect her a person and her choices, taking part in household chores and share the responsibility of bringing up children, practically be less "patriarchal" and be a supportive human to a fellow human in a relationship, Korean women might marry Koren men! Don't know what you guys will do to poor Japanese or Filipo girls, who are so fascinated by the "Korean oppa" dream, in the name of marriage!! May be it's you guys that pushed women to this extreme, else who wouldn't want love? especially women, who are brought up with dreams of love and marriage.

[@jenniferd1346]

the way the interviewer acts, behaves, and talks is so telling. women deserve so much better.

[@normangiven6436]

Their culture is different from ours. We are not far behind since young couple are not pairing up and settling down.

[@rediettadesse2828]

These men are nothing but our servants 😂

[@BarakaAndrew]

😂 this is a completely normal interview, if this heats you up then you clearly have a problem.

[@9v918]

@@rediettadesse2828actual w statement

[@thierrytecumseh734]

I think men deserve better than toxic feminists.

[@jmn1811hk]

Wish you had let her talk and stop interrupting her so much.

[@gc4161]

Exactly

[@2012iwanttogohome]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@karenavey2183]

He embarrassed himself with his inability to stop talking. Shame on you,

[@aquafishes]

He's part of the "Interruption" movement. This movement was/is popular in America. It was started in 2016 by DJTrump 🤔

[@RambleMaven]

He so busy crafting the narrative for her he can’t just let her speak for herself. In court terms this is called leading the witness. I’ll try not to assume ill intent tho I haven’t seen his other interviews so I don’t know if he always does this or not.

[@purrfekt]

I watched the whole thing... Was waiting for her "2-3 reasons" before you cut it off. I feel so betrayed XD

[@Alexandra-Rex]

I'm guessing another video will show more of the interview. The title of this video was covered though.

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@debodatta7398 What nonsense exactly?

[@propertymanager9149]

@@debodatta7398 you are not korean

[@e.001]

@@debodatta7398 This is exactly the problem right here. You missed the whole damn point so much it flew miles above your head.

[@rickgordon9289]

Women making decisions for themselves is not 'radical feminism'. Using that term just shows what side you are on. Hint, it's the wrong one.

[@namemv]

Yes, it's is

[@Archchill]

When those personal choices go against what has been common throughout human history (marriage, starting a family etc) it would be considered radical. However, using the term radical should not necessarily have negative connotations attached to it as you have suggested. The interviewee herself even agrees with him and labels these people as radical and extremists. Making choices for yourself does not automatically make it not radical. The people who ran planes into the twin towers did so as a personal choice/belief system, yet they are considered radicals. The people fighting for civil rights during the 60’s in the US were also labeled radicals, yet they were “good” radicals don’t you think? Yet they were only radicals/extremists because they went against societies norms at the time. I think your automatic assumption of the negative connotations with the word radical says more about it yourself than the person (interviewer) you’re attacking here. BTW, i agree with you that it is a personal choice and no one else should have a say in what these women decide to do with regards to sex, marriage, childbirth etc, yet I also see how this is in fact a radical movement.

[@rickgordon9289]

@@Archchill I can agree with you in the context of chosen nomenclature. Yes, radical is defined as "different from the usual or traditional" but also as "extreme". I have a very hard time believing that those using the term "radical feminist" are not meaning it in a derisive or condescending way. It is often used to dismiss beliefs and equate them with destructive ideology. I could fully see this being a translation issue, since the negative connotation of the word may not properly be communicated. It is not an extreme idea for women to be treated equally.

[@jayh8435]

Bro, there are so many reasons behind the "making decisions for themselves" like, the women saying " let's kill whoever the man is, even though he's 1 year old baby". and so forth. it's crazy. Do you know Korean government even give any prostitute X amount of money? Just because of a woman? ridiculous. !!

[@josephp9141]

The online community that started the b4 movement “megalia” is a radical feminist community.

[@Brandysaddler5]

He was not the right person to conduct this interview, he is already biased, did not let her speak, obnoxious, and showing the same measly signs of a man who wants to lead a conversation but can’t. Didn’t even ask the right questions either.

[@letswalksomewhere]

Looks like you don't see interviews often... I agree that he interrupted a bit much earlier in the interview but the person conducting a time limited interview has to lead it and move it from topic to topic, which always requires interruptions, also for clarification, guy is not great but feels like your comment is the bias thing here, women interviewing use the same techniques, are they showing measly signs of a woman who wants to lead a conversation but can't?

[@RecluseBootsy]

Like it or not, this is how dialogue works. Someone who is ignorant and is *eager* to understand and someone who is speaking in generalities and niche references that *need* further explanation so there is no mistranslation. Of course, he's going to ask pointed questions so he's in-the-know and up to speed on all these correlating topics. I came here looking for what the 4B's mean and I learned about declining populations in the Koreas, a stabbing incident, and several political movements but not what "4B's" literally means. 😂 Without interjection and mediation, we veer off topic very easily in conversation or debate.

[@ll-nf2bs]

A lot of men will come and defend anything that man does. So you can ignore

[@susiex6669]

Here's an idea Brandy, create your own channel and interview her since you clearly think you could have done better.

[@Brandysaddler5]

@@susiex6669 girl stfu I said what I said. They would have turned the comments off if they didn’t care for people opinions now get to stepping ms SUSIE

[@honeymoonavenue97]

Him interrupting her is the reason why the 4B movement is happening.

[@cathcath570]

Literally came here to comment that. I only watched the first five mins and have to stop because it’s so irritating.

[@junlee7386]

Elaborate

[@franwern519]

There are far more videos where the female constantly interrupts the interviewer, or the one interviewed. What do you say about that?

[@junlee7386]

@@franwern519 she'll not answer that lol shes a hypocrite

[@franwern519]

​@@junlee7386That what I think. Reading the comment section here is crazy, because so many have internalized and see themselves so much as the victim, that it seems they are incapable to even come close to think that maybe the cause of this so called problem are in many cases they themselves. The ability to think logically, practically and rationally is close to dead, all what matters is feelings, emotions and the great I, me, myself and I

[@kissyface6895]

The interviewer needs to stop interrupting the journalist. Dude, let her freakin’ talk!

[@andrewcarranza1562]

Stfu hes not a journalist hes the ceo of this media company. Hes trying to make sure the bimbo stays on track and doesnt ramble on.

[@LezbiNerdy]

Also, talk to an actual feminist, not someone who thinks that someone who is no longer a feminist is now "okay", like... what kind of crazy nonsense of an "interview" was this... "let's get to conservatives together to completely minimize any concerns women have and make feminism look stupid"

[@codyfernfan6274]

He really demonstrates why women are understandably boycotting men

[@healthcoachinez4502]

Seriously

[@fatrab101]

Yesss noticed so many times!

[@idaxurais1710]

From my understanding, women in Korea rarely openly say they support the 4B movement because of safety. That's why when they are interviewed, they will always say it's the minority, smile politely and just do whatever they want (not dating, not having sex, not getting married & not giving birth with men that are misogynists) It's like Fight Club First rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club Second rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club Stay safe ladies

[@divx1001]

Oh yeah, as a woman I also never say the truth in the public like this. I wish we could all support each other in these ideas but being killed by a man for making my own decisions is a greater risk for me (at least in my country). I just smile and keep doing my own thing.

[@lonelyberg1808]

Contrary to what you say, I think the movement is indeed a minority. Indeed, let's not forget that South Korea is a country known for its big dating culture. Foreigners are sometimes surprised to see couples everywhere. If the 4B movement was so big, this wouldn't be the case

[@ll-nf2bs]

@@lonelyberg1808as a Korean woman, I must tell you it is not a small minority.

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@ll-nf2bs how

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@ll-nf2bs can you explain how ?

[@coppersense999]

Oh wow. Did they really just end the interview by cutting her off mid-sentenceu? That is pretty sad.

[@dansmith1661]

Based

[@romanr.301]

@@dansmith1661 With how limited your kind's vocabulary is, I shouldn't be impressed that you actually spelled "based" correctly, but that's how low my expectations are.

[@digestiveissue7710]

@@romanr.301 keyed

[@anso7613]

Stephen this is one of your worst interview. Your biais came just 5 min right in the video WoW

[@Comebackherein2050]

So interviewer is a reason for 4B movement

[@ridhamatri9447]

And you're a reason for incel movement 😂

[@oliviaw.2842]

I hope she gets interviewed again by someone who would let her finish! She sounds so intelligent and assured and intelligent and we didn't get the full effect of that. Very hard to watch but hopefully it's a learning lesson for the interviewer to not try to overshadow the speaker next go around.

[@lonelyberg1808]

What are you talking about? Men interrupt men, women interrupt women, women interrupt men and vice versa. Will you say it's mysogyny or something? It may be rude but he wasn't mean or anything. It seems that you are calling mysoginy for anything and everything. It's getting ridiculous

[@sciencebunny]

I’m disappointed in this interview. It felt like a complete disparagement of feminism and the real dangers of misogyny in Korea. I live in Seoul and can safely say misogyny is still going strong here. Though the more radical aspects of the gender wars have died down, misogyny is nowhere near fixed or even better in any real way

[@ruthtapiwa6311]

I agree the journalist is not being critical enough of the situation and concentrating on her own narrative. Maybe they shld have done a bit more research. The birthrate is still plummeting whether or not you acknowledge the 4B movement.

[@kin-cz9vu]

i live in korea too and korea has a misandry issue not misogyny. the whole society is about women convenience. from safety to military service

[@danusdragonfly6640]

@@kin-cz9vu That is arguably false. How about improving yourself?

[@kin-cz9vu]

how about improving yourself instead of fingpointing others. do you live in korea? do you know how it really is here? no, right? your only image of korea is distorted by korean feminists spreading the false image that korea is the worst country for women to live in. south korea in reality is a very safe, safer than most other countries. and all the plethora of conveniences for women is unmatched elsewhere. south korea isn't that good for men to live. all the pressure, military service and recent misandrist policy makes it way harder for men than women to live in korea.

[@rwf-br8hd]

If that was anything close to being true, there would not be 4 times more Korean men leaving the country and renouncing their citizenship than Korean women. Misandry is far more common and widely accepted in South Korea.

[@anitav3316]

I'd love to hear her two to three reasons, why did the recording stop there? I wish you didn't interrupt her so much.

[@Rallosz]

It basically comes down to the cost of living. It's too expensive to live, let alone raise a child

[@nishant7452]

bro could you stop interrupting her i want to hear what she has to say and mf jumps in with another tangential question please

[@aradiamegido2965]

Ppl think asking questions when someones already explaining something makes them look smart 😢

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@yourhandsarerough]

​@@debodatta7398tell me you haven't dated a woman from the Philippines without telling me. clown

[@raccoonchild]

@@debodatta7398 Imagine me being born through your peehole

[@mchjsosde]

Ok have fun with that? Literally no one cares. You sound like an incel threatening mail-order brides and it's almost sad. Also give your countrymen credit, Korean Feminism is different than Western because they are reacting to a different expression of sexism.​@@debodatta7398

[@sambeawesome]

I love y'alls videos and the work you do, but man was this one hard to watch. The constant interruptions of your guest, the immediate (and prevalent) use of a loaded term like "radical", and the non-stop changing direction and tangents breaking the flow of the conversation was frustrating. I feel like I didn't learn anything from this interview. I know you can do better, this was not it.

[@pearl_heartsss]

Right? I don't think it's a radical movement and saying so just seems very rude

[@edwardtimothy3581]

@@pearl_heartsss How is it not radical? Anything that's terrible for society should be considered radical... sure we all want to live in a perfect world but it's never gonna happen when billions of lives are roaming around this planet. Yea let's just make things worst is a radical take... funny thing is korea is one of the safest countries for women and when something bad happens we all want to blame ALL men. U cant just expect NO korean man do mysoginistic thing. there would always those who are ignorant. just like everywhere else. it's Unfair for those who actually never commited it yet u just generalize them.

[@pearl_heartsss]

@@edwardtimothy3581 You can’t force women to do something they don’t want to do.

[@edwardtimothy3581]

@@pearl_heartsss NB for u to do anything tho. We just pointed out that what they do is radical

[@Marcus_MG42]

"I didn't learn anything" - You don't need to. You're already brainwashed with feminist propaganda.

[@mayamjamac8275]

Using “gender war” “gender conflict” “getting tired of it” “probably looking for money or donations” is really telling a lot about the whole interview.

[@ElenasDad]

Well it is.

[@user-cnksi223]

At least, they are Koreans who live in Korea.. who are you though?

[@user-lm9dr4lr3v]

@@user-cnksi223Stephen Park is not Korean lol he’s a Taiwanese hwagyo pretending to be Korean

[@roxyglow9670]

he smells of sexism so

[@ll-nf2bs]

@@roxyglow9670he indeed is. He has in the past took down the video after SK men told him so because it was giving them a bad image (it was about Burning Sun from what I recall). He reuploaded with much more fake polished answers from Korean men. All to just save their face.

[@glocar243]

I think these guys were trying to sound fair and tolerant, but in the end they came across as smug and judgemental. There is nothing wrong with practicing the 4bs if that’s what someone wants to do. Why look down on them? Let people be feminists in their own way and stop thinking you have all the answers.

[@user-nj1im4gi2z]

So true, i took a shot whenever he said radical feminist or something judgemental , man i was drunk.

[@glocar243]

@@user-nj1im4gi2z I can’t stand judgy reporting. If you don’t know how to do it right, don’t do it at all. It’s cringey

[@skillbopster]

You don't get to go through life without being judged for your actions. Anyone can think what they like about others.

[@divx1001]

​@@skillbopster yeah, that goes for you too though. If they can be judgy, other people will also be judgy. Can't stop either part of them. So just sit back and relax?

[@lonelyberg1808]

I think if someone doesn't want to be with a man that's their problem but making a personal choice a movement is something else.

[@persia888]

He assumes the feminist’s motivation is money??? How about it’s valid anger!

[@user-lo6tl1wx5s]

그게 맞아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아닌척 하지마

[@bubbleaisle5946]

​@@user-lo6tl1wx5s coming from a feminist, NO. Though money might be one of our major focuses (it's same for men), our motivation is freedom of act and not money. We need money cause it gives freedom, so freedom is what motivates us to make money.

[@user-lo6tl1wx5s]

@@bubbleaisle5946왜 4B운동 같은 멍청한 운동에 돈을 줘야 하나요?? ㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 각자 알아서 사세요. 뭔 두살짜리 아기도 아니고

[@inkagarden8939]

I know he makes it so cheap, this whole interview is an insult to brave women, who at a time held or still hold views that are yes, a bit tight, but it was a beginning, also, he talks about her friend, we do not know the context of that conversation. Maybe they talk about having sex with her boyfriend while still studying, but I think that would be wrong to do, bc that would out you in risk of not finishing your career due to pregnancy or due to being murdered by a physcho, who knows how that conversation really went. I’m married, but I married into my 30’s and I think marriage truly stinks, marriage is a financial entity and this is the BASIS of what marriage is, the one person who makes ALL THIS POSSIBLE IS THE WOMAN in the marriage, this is one of the reasons why many societies did not want to accept gay marriages, bc from the financial point of view, without children in it, without the traditional EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN within marriages, it will not work as it has always been. Men are leeches and we women provide the blood, so no wonder leeches want women to stay available as easy prey forever. I say, if you are young, try to have sex in the safest possible way, but if you can, DO NOT HAVE SEX, DO NOT MARRY AND DO HAVE CHILDREN, specially until you have your own money, your career and you have reached your goals. Do not take the pill and sleep around, you might have some “fun” but in the long run, men are just leeches, they TAKE MORE THAN THEY GIVE in such situation, and in marriage too, so, truly, if you can, avoid all of the above, but for this to work well for women, we need more and more women on board, of course each should be FREE to do whatever fits them, including having as much sex as each want, getting married and having hopefully zero kids or just a few, bc the world has not resources for so many humans, but the better way is for a young woman, to no have sex (maybe only make love if you find the right person to make love with, which is difficult again, bc men are leeches and to make love, you need to GIVE, but many men only know how to TAKE) the better way for a single woman is to have no children and the better way for a married women is to have no children or very very few in any case. In the long run, you will see, that society had brainwashed you, pressured you and indoctrinate you to be THEIR SLAVE, THEIR BLOOD SUPPLY and that all you got was a bunch of unfullifing and unpleasant moments, full men who are idiots and violent or simply horrible people and full of women who are envious, bitter, evil and who support the system as it is and never really tell the young generation THE TRUTH of being a woman on this earth.

[@MariaPaula-uw3ds]

"Tell me you know nothing about feminism workouts telling me you know nothing about feminism"

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

The fact that she views this is radical goes to further illustrate how big of a problem misogyny is an Asian countries and cultures. It's wild to think that you choosing what you want to do with your own body, is radical. I'm mind blown, I can't stop thinking how terrible the Asian environment must be for women. Simply terrible. I'm 4b all the way, call me radical I literally do not care 💀

[@aoh4905]

Do you honestly think western countries are better and safer? What planet do you live on lol... 1/4 parisians women experience rape or sexual assault in some ways. None of them feel safe at night alone. Then look at everywhere else in Europe or America or S America.

[@ignisilluminati]

You should consider when the fertility rate is world lowest

[@magnobraga4619]

​@@ignisilluminati so... Give house a and better pays, then woman can get more babies

[@ignisilluminati]

@@magnobraga4619 Will they? I'm not exactly a supporter of traditionalist ideas, but history has proven that the opposite actually works: the fertility rate is usually higher in traditional societies where men work outside to earn money and women take care of house stuffs.. Also, Asian countries can't provide the same level of welfare as western countries do because they have far larger population per area. They share less resources with more people.

[@magnobraga4619]

@@ignisilluminati you thinking about 50s america family model. In tradicional societies women works a Lot more. No Just home stuff. Yes, you have gender Work division. In tradicional rural societies, people make house with bate hands. Or used to do It. Now, the pricies of buy or rent a house in urbano áreas até ridiculus. And low pay for Jobs

[@nefelibata9497]

Is was a very disrespectful interview. The woman handled it with grace. If I was her, I wouldn’t be finishing this mess. So so soooo disrespectful and unprofessional. Makes me think how the other female in Asian boss are treated… very disappointing

[@tonymeyer8365]

Yea, she probably pulled through to at least get the information out.

[@chelsea7229]

It was so disrespectful that you kept cutting her off.

[@ladybug3380]

He doesn’t respect women.

[@Aldraz]

not sure if you are real or trolling lol

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@Aldraz]

@@debodatta7398 I've listened to more korean girls and they've all said it's a very small percentage of women who act radical like that. You'd probably find the same percentage in any other random country. Although I agree with you that Koreans in general shifted towards western (US) mindset in many things, like having tattoos for example, but I think it's gonna be the same as with this 4B movement and it is temporary and people will grow out of this phase like she said.. seems very likely to me at this point. Especially when US will lose the dominance it had and instead people will focus more on China.

[@sulcheri]

@@debodatta7398 no one cares

[@IceQueenaliasIQ]

Since when are you a radical feminist if you simply take personal life choices in a free society??? It's not like they are saying "women should". They say "I will not do XY." So where is the problem? If a man does "no-fap-november" or if anyone goes on a diet, are they radical, too???

[@henrytep8884]

No fap November is definitely radical and also has a high fail rate.

[@SeraYagami]

It's because they hate the fact that they need a woman. Oppression is the only way they know. This movement will make sure that their disgusting legacy and values won't be passed to the next-gen. Only good men will get access to women and their future generations.

[@exploring_k1254]

This is exactly the point. It's free-will until it affects men then it's radical. From what I understood is the movement came to be as a way to send a message that women want their choices heard and that they have their rights too in a society where there are men and women.

[@ouui]

I guess Korean women are not used to fight for their rights, so when they do they see it as an exaggerated behaviour.

[@OrionDuCros]

Being selfish and destroying korean society as a result.

[@meghanav79]

As a journalist and a founder of a media platform, using 'radical' or 'extremist' to describe the feminist movements mentioned in the video seems extremely unprofessional in the global sense.... while the interview as a whole seemed unbiased and informational, words like these usually give the situation a negative connotation.

[@Der.Geschichtenerzahler]

No media channel is unbiased. It only hurts the viewers when the bias goes against their own.

[@aoh4905]

How is it not radical? Anything that's terrible for society should be considered radical... sure we all want to live in a perfect world but it's never gonna happen when billions of lives are roaming around this planet. Yea let's just make things worst is a radical take... funny thing is korea is one of the safest countries for women and when something bad happens we all want to blame ALL men.

[@theyashuman]

But this isn't a uniquely women thing in Korea, even the comments from men are speaking about how it's more cuz of living expenses and societal stressors. Pushing all the blame to one side wont really fix the problem

[@user-cnksi223]

As a Korean who lives in Korea, I can say most Koreans know it is radical one. Even my feminist American friends who live in Korea now recognize it.. If you are Journalist, be smarter plz

[@alvinsmith3894]

@@aoh4905 A woman choosing to be single is radical? Is a man participating in no fap also an extremist?

[@yarinha3844]

This was really frustrating to watch. Had to stop at 18:08 and write this comment for my own sanity. First of all, Bokyoung Kim (the female reporter) said at some point that sexual harassment and inequality is a serious issue in Korea (14:51). But based on the conversation, they're trying to say that the feminists are "extremist" and "radical fringe movements" by trying to address inequality. Kim mentions right away that the women have a reason for not wanting children or getting married (it's too expensive, unaffordable housing, "and the childcare they need to undertake even when they're working" 3:00), but no the 4B movement is just too extremist and radical. They also implied that the politicians reacted to two of their own being found guilty of sexual harassment by completely shutting down talk of equality and standing with women (50% of their constituency that rightfully feel unsafe). I also feel like you guys were downplaying some really serious things. Organized revenge porn?? If I found out that men were recording women having sex with them after going on dates and then blackmailing them for money, I also would be really afraid and hesitant to go on dates and having sex. It's reasonable to say no sex no dating after something like that. It seems like you guys (especially Stephen Park, the male interviewer) were on the wrong side of this issue and showed little empathy for the women that experienced crimes against them. The way the interviewer was trying to frame this issue by saying "is there some truth to it that the liberal party policy benefitted too much of women?" (14:26) But what policies?? You guys didn't talk about any policies. Did politicians actually do anything or did they just talk about doing something. It seems like some men felt hurt and the politicians exploited this and swept some serious crimes under the rug. Some things you guys can't be objective and fair about. Wtf I understand that Korean men felt hurt that women feel unsafe around them and felt like they were being treated like criminals. But the women are experiencing much more serious things that need to be addressed. Revenge porn, gender motivated stabbing, and sexual harassment. Yet the politicians chose these men's feelings over women's safety (Yes I know, not all men) and chose to do nothing. The mysogyny and inequality is staring them right in the face, yet they still think the women's movements are being unreasonable. Two politicians found guilty of sexual harassment and then they don't want to do their jobs and help women (again 50% of the population) who are experiencing revenge porn. Did the politicians release any policies outlawing revenge porn? That's what I wanted to know. But in the end you guys just started talking about both sides criticizing each other and politicians being afraid. It seems to me like the politicians are afraid of also being found having committed sexual harassment by the media/political opponents. They're really telling on themselves here. But they have a responsibility to their citizens. Like I said, Kim mentioned that these women do have a point and there is serious inequality in Korea. This is a systemic issue. This didn't just begin in 2016 and I hope that Korea deals with this and starts moving toward equality. But seriously, Asian Boss, downplaying revenge porn and blackmailing, wtf? Based on what you guys mentioned, the 4B movement isn't "radical" at all. Based on what you guys said, not only is it really expensive to have kids, women also feel unsafe (as they should because politicians don't want to do their jobs and they're getting revenge porned). My heart goes out to the Korean ladies (and men and NB people who experience sexual harassment, sexual assault, abuse, and revenge porn). Stay safe out there, peeps. Last point and then I'm gonna go: the feminist movement for equality in South Korea is sorely needed and I hope they come back stronger and better organized. I'm really fascinated by feminism in Korea (or women's issues as a whole) and I'd love to hear more from actual good reporting (not this BS). If anybody has any suggestions, please comment them to me. Thank you!

[@inkagarden8939]

The interviewer is trying to portrait the B4 movement of brave Korean women in BAD LIGHT. You can read his facial expressions when he hears what the women were trying to denounce, also for about 40 % the interview he was cutting his guess of, interrupting, DOMINATING the conversation, etc. He show no sympathy nor understanding for how WRONG Korean society treats women and how much Asian society protects ABUSERS and MISOGYNISTS. He should have expressed his admiration towards those brave women who tried to organize themselves and find ways to PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM WOMEN’S HATERS, ADMIRABLE KOREAN WOMEN WHO TOOK ACTION TO CHANGE THEIR MISERABLE SITUATION AS VULNERABLE INDIVIDUAL IN A SOCIETY THAT PROTECTS MEN AND GIVE POWER AND CONTROL ONLY TO MEN.

[@Chiayiklin]

Apparently, you are not so different from those woman hating misogyny while youself were a misandrist who is hating on man. That doesn't show any sign of equality at all

[@Marcus_MG42]

Yeah, it's his show and he can do whatever he wants. Your feminist tone-policing is very low-IQ.

[@thierrytecumseh734]

You clearly don’t know a thing about this country and just assume those women are justified feminists. Toxic feminism in Korea openly espouses make misandry. And your conception of Korean society is terribly marred by groundless prejudice. This country is not nearly as sexist or misogynistic as you think. Your words are oversimplified and over sensationalist.

[@Seiren5454]

The interviewer made this almost unwatchable.

[@GuillermoPaulman]

How?

[@dotpegaso138]

@@GuillermoPaulman Just read the comments man

[@heyshawty6946]

Yea this shows how koreans are misogynistic..as a korean i hate about it

[@dchu11]

@@dotpegaso138the comments make no sense…the interviewer seemed very professional and respectful throughout the interview.

[@dotpegaso138]

@@dchu11 I totally disagree. There many actions taken by the interviewer that makes this interview bad, I’m fortunately enough to understand those nuances by myself. If you didn’t get it, I highly suggest you to take a look over the comments and try watch the interview again, with a different mind.

[@MT-cn3qs]

Stephen , you should learn how to NOT interrupt a person who is talking. You did cut her in the middle more than a few times. Definitely an interesting interview and the topic of 4B movement . Like !

[@freddyt55555]

He was trying to help her when she was obviously struggling to express her thoughts in English. She may sound like she's a fluent English speaker to some, but it's obvious that Korean is still her primary language.

[@gamerarchives5874]

@@freddyt55555 exactly this. butt hurt feminists need to stop jumping to conclusions

[@celiojedi]

... is his job to interrupt and clarify before the subject change lanes... I can see that you are a very smart person, congrats...

[@user-vt4po6vl9k]

@@freddyt55555 That's misogyny. Just by looking at the host's attitude towards women, you can see how miserable women's human rights are there. :)

[@yourhandsarerough]

​@freddyt55555 wrong. what can he help her with in this topic about women? and she is fluen. it's especially irritating being interrupted like this when you're thinking of a word in a second language.

[@chuuli]

I think you should conduct such an interview with a female interviewer who doesn't have misogynistic bias baked in to his subconcious from living as a man in Korea.

[@astriddahl9854]

This episode has put me off Asian Boss completely. This host is so biased, the hints and steering the conversation in a quite anti-feminist direction. Movements don't grow out of the fringe unless large groups see some truth in them. It's the broader fundamental issues of inequality that resonate with the majority that gives movements momentum.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"This host is so biased" - No, the host is actually very realistic.

[@thierrytecumseh734]

You have absolutely no clue about this topic. Radical toxic feminism in Korea has nothing to do with equality and is all about hate. If you knew about them, you would think differently.

[@kikakiko7454]

man let her talk! Also they way Korea disrespect women (like the interviewer does) is the reason of the 4B existence

[@Leguinan]

These women are not extremists, they are trying to survive a very hostile environment. They have their reasons.

[@aoh4905]

There's less than 5 countries where women can feel safe walking alone at night. Korea is one of them. You're just one of those that gets easily brainwashed when 1-2 bad things happen.

[@user-cnksi223]

They are extremists sadly. But guys really don't care whether feminists support 4b. Most normal guys are too busy to date normal girls to care about people from some internet communities

[@rwf-br8hd]

The feminist movement is natural selection. Feminist genes are inferior, therefore they are not selected and have decided to not spread their cancerous genes to future generations. 4B all the way!

[@susiex6669]

Afghanistan is a very hostile environment. South Korea is far from perfect but lets not exagerate here. Id sooner live there than a long list of other countries on this planet.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"These women are not extremists" They are. Feminism is a terr()rist movement, and has always been sine its inception.

[@katelynobrien7415]

Maybe the women started the movement in response not just to the killer, but media like this reinforcing his central viewpoint as a "reasonable" expectation that women owe dating and sex to men. We don't, and when it angers men to hear us assert right over our own body, even though we want to date, all the red flags go up regarding that angry man.

[@AdityaJape]

your been insensitive to social issues also every human being needs company nothing wrong on accepting it

[@exploring_k1254]

​​@@AdityaJapeYOU are being insensitive to social issues... women are saying they want to have a say, especially when it comes to their body and life, and this is your response?

[@lwms120]

Its a mans and a womans job to have kids and raise them. If you cant take that reality, its mother natures work and natural selection that your bloodline will die out

[@sanjuanfromsomewhere]

​@@AdityaJapeWe can accept that we all need company, and accept that nobody is entitled to company, at the same time

[@AdityaJape]

@@exploring_k1254 🤣🙏 ok enjoy your masterbation and single life

[@MinJi_Scarlett]

I've never seen you poorly behaved, literally shocked. You normally behave in such a gentlemanly manner. Poorly done sir, poorly done.

[@blue_asahi]

Why? because the interview did not go as per your expected narrative?

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@blue_asahi because the interviewer was interrupting the interviewee.

[@user-lm9dr4lr3v]

@@user-bw8yn3zr1sso many foreigners think Stephen Park is Korean but he’s actually a Taiwanese hwagyo pretending to be Korean. Chinese josunjok and Taiwanese hwagyos speak Korean but are NOT Koreans!

[@1Raheem]

@@user-lm9dr4lr3v is that a big deal in east Asia?

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

its honestly not too surprising if u have been reading this channels' comment sections for the past 5 years. its been increasingly filled with incels and 4channers. the one short of the japanese girl who said her bf thought she was ugly was filled with all vitriol towards the girl. ive been watching them since their beginnings and they went downhill bad. they dont care about real journalism anymore. just clicks. hes lost his morals.

[@lotussong1]

As a Korean-American woman, I would never apologize for being a “radical” feminist. If I was living in S. Korea, I’d definitely fit the “4B” description. Yes I’m into K-beauty (especially skincare), and I like to dress in a feminine way. However, it’s for myself, not to attract men. Also, true feminism is about gender equality, not hating men. Even in the U.S., there is a gender wage gap. Globally, there are too many women and young girls who are mistreated (abused, assaulted, raped, etc.) or even killed for superficial reasons by men. Clearly, it’s wrong and unacceptable. If women don’t stand up for other women, who will?

[@vinaydhiwar8604]

Plz leave man made things

[@lotussong1]

@@vinaydhiwar8604 WTF, is that supposed to mean? Clearly, your English sucks. If you’re trying to insult me, then you did a poor job of it.

[@honeymoonavenue97]

Any time a woman says something wise she is called crazy or “radical.”

[@ridhamatri9447]

​@@honeymoonavenue97 coz they are. Such females need a psychiatrist!

[@A.H.59]

But the fact is that because you are into K-beauty, you dress in a feminine way, and you realize that true feminism is not about hating men, means that you are not a radical feminist at all, but a real feminist, to your credit.

[@chochothe8934]

Obviously the interviewer need to learn how to control his hands, his mouth, and his impulse to interrupt a woman.

[@lonelyberg1808]

I don't see anything wrong with the way he interrupted her. Most of the time he did it was to ask her questions so that the audience understands better the context

[@LunaLokiita]

He did it while she was in the middle of explaining and he often changed the focus. For instance, at 4:42 she is explaining herself and says “I think they” and he goes on to “so they caught him”. This is dismissing her thought process and not allowing her to develop more on her thoughts. It is also a new piece of info he is looking for while she is still explaining her previous answer. This happens several times. It’s not just the normal interview interruptions for clarification and to keep things on topic. It’s an urge to rush her. I’ve seen him do this a few times and the last time was to another Asian woman as well. Just an observation.

[@gebruderschwarzwald7931]

I so agree.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"Obviously the interviewer need to learn how to control his hands, his mouth, and his impulse to interrupt a woman." - No. Actually a woman needs to taught how to not be a feminist idi()t.

[@janicewolk6492]

I think this guy is being unfairly criticized. He is the interviewer.

[@ThoughXperiment]

This "interview" it's trash. They didn't talked about the numbers on gender violent, they did a very crappy job at "explaining" the Nth room, the "so, she's okay now" when she said the female friend is marry now, everything was disgusting and made very clear where Korean patrichy stand.

[@SeldimSeen1]

The topic was about 4B, they stuck to the topic.

[@RebeccaRoxannaRoot]

I’m a woman exiting a relationship where I almost DIED. Sooo Yeahh young women definitely need to be warned and taught how dangerous it is being a woman in this world. There’s a reason why all prisoners are men and why every murderer is statistically male. Seriously the genders are not equal. My ex husband nearly killed me! seriously why does society ignore how dangerous men are for women! I was never taught this as a girl growing up

[@gladbecker8218]

oh shut up! where do you live? Unless its an islamic country you are just lying

[@i.m.international8180]

I find it very disturbing when he keeps on interrupting when she is speaking...he should wait till she finish her answering the question.

[@lrnook]

Movement? More like natural selection doing its thing. I'm fed up with people blaiming the younger generations when wrongs were done by criminals of the older generations.

[@vFNN]

What about changing this with politics? SK is still a democracy?

[@christiansnaturestudio6599]

@@vFNN full of beautiful women with nice pedicures?

[@vFNN]

​@@christiansnaturestudio6599 if you make no effort and just follow a self centered ideology nothing will change...

[@christiansnaturestudio6599]

@vFNN oh I have been putting LOTs of effort and growth to spark attraction to the women I want to date. It's not easy to be a guy with no options(as in not receiving much attention from women who are already interested). Most guys gave up in USA. Being decent is not enough nowadays

[@lrnook]

@@antaeku8038 I literally said CRIMINALS of the older generations Jesus Christ

[@LB-uo7xy]

This dude and his interruptions is why 4B movement got started. 😂

[@conchobar]

Don't get it twisted. 4B movement was birthed out of a bad economy.

[@ssark9187]

For the love of God , let her talk.

[@quatsch344]

Why do people even care? Seems like it should be up to each person themselves to decide if they want to have sex or kids. If some people don’t want that it should be their right to not date or have kids.

[@rickgordon9289]

Incels are mad they can't get laid.

[@uu-kq6mn]

Thank you not everyone should have kids. Hopeful this movement weeds all the bad eggs in both genders.

[@aoh4905]

They don't. 4B movement is still less than 1% of the women's population there and it's dying out. Mainstream media just tried to grow it big.

[@josephp9141]

They don’t. The whole movement died like 5 years ago.

[@divx1001]

​@@josephp9141 seems they do care since there are these videos and interviews on this topic. Objectively speaking though it's a small movement that doesn't affect anyone. Why are people acting as if this movement is going to be the end of our species is beyond me.

[@EboshiOnna]

So the interviewer is the best example of misogyny when he keeps interrupting the journalist who is trying to explain her thoughts. Not very cool from him 😡

[@__Liza__]

exactly, it's so unbearable to listen omfg

[@skinnylele]

FOR REAAALLLL!!! argh so annoying, like dude let her talk

[@skillbopster]

So he hates all women because he interrupted one woman?

[@maryamhussain1902]

its BECAUSE MEN FEAR ESPECIALLY IN KOREA THEY FEAR! the fact that they are being confronted on WOMEN actually suffering in their country from the CAUSE OF MEN they want to cover it up. They feel attacked when really they should hold other men accountable.

[@123pb]

Its called being rude, Misogyny is the hatred of women. Misandry is the hatred of men and is what this movement and feminism promotes

[@aradiamegido2965]

Fem·i·nist (noun) an advocate of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes; a person who supports feminism. "there are a million types of different women who consider themselves feminists but don't have the same agenda" adjective relating to or supporting feminism; advocating women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. "she became involved in the feminist movement" Rad·i·cal (Noun) a person who advocates thorough or complete political or social reform; a member of a political party or part of a party pursuing such aims. These women aren't extremists. They are political for the sake of gender equality. There needs to be more talk about the 4B movement, what they're doing and trying to achieve. All women want is to feel safe and respected for ONCE.

[@24killsequalMOAB]

Gender Equality is inherently impossible

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

Not only the interviewer, but the interviewee too is trivializing and derogating the cause behind the movement. She seems to come from a privileged background so much so that she can be safe from any male violence anytime any day and he just can't wrap his head around the idea how women can want to be free from men's company and marrying men and giving birth to children in any situation. In lot of the comments here, people wrote he was interrupting her, which I didn't find to be a major thing after watching the video. But it's definitely like he intentionally called such an interviewee who would trivialize and negatively criticize the movement and together they would call the women choosing 4B as radical, extremists etc. It's very cheap of him (and her too, for agreeing with him) to assume the driver of this movement is donation and money. It's heartbreakingly sexist and inhumane of them to discuss the impact of female-centric policies on males but then not discuss the anti-gender equality politics of the conservative PPP party on women. Lastly, it's very extremist to write 4B movement to be an infamous one. It's very famous among the women who know about this. By calling it infamous, they are viewing it from the perspective of toxic and entitled man-children, which is a shameful POV for a channel expected to be neutral and unbiased.

[@user-cnksi223]

Bro.. you know nothing about Korea.😂 American...

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@user-cnksi223 Sis, it's true I don't know much about Korea. I am not American btw. But are you Korean? And a woman? If yes, tell me why do you find my comment ignorant?

[@user-cnksi223]

1. Most Koreans don’t even know what the 4b movement is. This came from a Korean internet community, but the general public doesn't even know what it is. Rather, I am just surprised at how the Western world can be interested in and influenced by Korea's small Internet community these days. 2. Korean men generally support the non-marriage ideology of radical feminists active on the Internet. In the first place, Korean men don't even want to date them. 3. Americans tend to preach not only to Korea but also to other foreign countries under the illusion that they know better than the locals. But if you get the chance, come to Korea. The streets are full of couples. I have lived in the United States, Europe, Japan, and the Philippines, but there is no country other than Korea where there are so many couples on the streets.

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@user-cnksi223 Look I agree the western media cherry-pick many things from Asian, middle-eastern, African countries and then show their own narratives and oftentimes that creates a false picture of the people of these countries to the western people so much so that they act upon it and discriminate and harass people from these countries when they visit the western countries. But here I don't agree that any of the Western media showed the 4B movement to their people or the people of the world. Instead, this movement got known to people through social media, I got to know about it through social media, and it's one of the greatest thing I have known, ever. But this is exactly the reason the mainstream media, be it Western, Asian or from other places, won't show it, at least not as it is. Here I can see this independent KZbin channel (AsianBoss) also chose to demonize and derogate it, mostly, and it doesn't even have the reach the mainstream media has. Do you know why? Because it's tremendously popular among the women who came to know about it, and it'll be popular to all the laywomen, and the people controlling the society and hence media don't want that to happen. Because it'll fuel the crumbling of the current patriarchal structure of our society, and harm the powerful, and they obviously don't want that. Two such exact kind of things that I remember happening in my country was also suppressed in a similar way. Some people were experimenting with distributing UBS (universal basic income) to all the adults of some villages modelled for an experiment, and the result showed an increased focus on education, health care, children care and yes, women's emancipation in terms of separation from men and in-laws and divorce. Immediately after that the researchers were stopped from circulating the experiment to public because the powerful men don't want their wives to divorce them and in general, they don't want women to be financially independent starting from their adulthood, so they stopped the process even if UBS could have liberated everyone, men, women. Another incident I know is a spiritual movement where women who didn't want to marry were encourage to come to a shelter and choose a life of spirituality away from men, away from the expectations of marriage, motherhood, domestic, sexual, emotional labor under the patriarchal system. A violent mob literally broke those shelters, beat the women there and file cases in the courts. So yeah, mainstream and not-so-mainstream media are only out there witch-hunting a movement like 4B. It's the women in social media that try hard to spread the news to other women in need.

[@zzzsss5437]

@@user-cnksi223 fr🤣 these "foreigners" don't know nothing but yapping.

[@sgr-oz3sv]

Oh god stop cutting her off

[@Fries225]

I really dont understand why so many people are triggered by this, who cares if some men and women don't want to be in a relationship? Plenty do, so just go find them. If these women think this will somehow make violent men stop abusing them (i doubt it, but who knows?) then shouldn't we just accept that they are technically advocating for something good? The fear mongering that Koreans will go extinct because of this is just ridiculous exaggeration that we see on the news all the time. I'm sure once the economy gets better people will feel more like socializing again.

[@studyou1016]

the white knights figure they'll have more of a chance to quench their yellow fever by painting korean men as overly misogynist even tho they know nothing about korean besides a few reels on youtube

[@hannesRSA]

Why is it vocal though? That's because it's more of a misdirected temper tantrum/pity party, than an actual decision.

[@luskaneseprince]

​@@hannesRSA Or it's because they are eager to let other women know that this is a choice they too can make, should they feel disappointed of relationships?

[@aoh4905]

Exactly.

[@bunnyv4228]

LOL ! Your comment shows u need to grow up and get educated. This is the problem with YT. every ignorant fool who knows nothing comes and start commenting

[@mnaoitb1]

BLAMING WOMEN for mens problems and systems....typical

[@LanaReyyyyyy]

🤍🤍🤍

[@thierrytecumseh734]

Blaming men for everything and creating phantom problems…typical of toxic feminism isn’t it?

[@cocococococo7091]

😂😂

[@erikagehm2805]

Toxic societal expectations (shamed for not staying home/keep working etc), potential toxic in-laws, little to no social help, economics, and the numerous in and outs of being a woman.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Mothers should stay at home to care for children. The alternative is expensive daycare. Social help should come from extended family. Leave toxic people. Economics is not an excuse. You're in South Korea, one of the richest countries in the world. Look at how bad things are in North Korea.

[@thedude9014]

@@DieNibelungenliad true and your mom works for home and makes money , btw is she free today at 14:00 for sucky sucky??

[@wordzmyth]

It is such a shame the opportunity for the society to change and become safer was ignored and instead the young men became radicalised to the right. It really was a chance for men to support each other to treat women in a more healthy way. Being scared to have a relationship with men is not the same as not wanting to. Some very famous celebrity men were in those gr*pist chat rooms so trust was lost.

[@glitzerplastikchichi]

@@DieNibelungenliad Society - especially men - should stop expecting children and the work that comes with them to be a given. By the way, daycare doesn't have to be that expensive at all. The fact that daycare is expensive is a political decision and not a law of nature. What is completely swept under the rug is that staying at home entirely increases the risk of domestic violence, financial abuse and poverty for mothers. Children also benefit in terms of their school performance and social skills when mothers go to work. This is empirically proven. Stop trying to patronize women in their decisions!

[@Walker-ow7vj]

@@glitzerplastikchichibruh if I’m marrying any girl I’m expecting a kid tf 🤨that’s why I’m wit a Latina she ain’t on KZbin typing all this

[@beninghati6003]

Let she finished her speaking dude.... Omg

[@mistycloud4455]

Women deserve to be safe Women deserve equal pay Women deserve to be treated as an equal in a relationship Women deserve to be safe in the home

[@mariners_platter]

All the men say it’s about housing, cost of living, money… the way they treat women? No way that could be causing the fertility rate to drop😮 lol.

[@hmmm2564]

It is a major factor

[@AlexC-ej6mk]

Is it really radical though? It’s just women expressing their dissatisfaction with society and choosing to not have relationships or physical interactions with men. There’s nothing I’ve seen violent against men, but incel groups are violent towards women and people aren’t upset over incels as they are 4b.

[@moroccotraveler]

The phrase "extremist feminists"....wow. Attempting to turn the tables / disengage from sexist men seems like a pretty chill form of resistance in the scheme of things. Neither person here seems very versed in feminist history or theory. Would have been better to hear from someone in the movement.

[@Marcus_MG42]

"Neither person here seems very versed in feminist history or theory." - I am extremely versed in feminist theories, and it has been proven that feminists are actually very low IQ overall.

[@sim9373]

Any woman who follows this 4B stuff: Nobody is affected by this except yourself. The sun will rise and fall, the world will still continue and your absence will not be noticed.

[@valhallakombi7239]

@@sim9373 Love how your statements keep proving why feminism keeps going "radical" in the first place

[@nonebeach]

if they wanted someone from the movement, it'd be some fat chick instead.

[@A.H.59]

Every movement has its extremists, and in this case the extremists are the radical feminists. Unfortunately they end up hurting the genuine feminists who do not hate men but just want equality.

[@99syl]

There was a twitter/X thread from a Korean woman that went viral around the time this video was uploaded I think, and it said not to believe what men says about the 4B movement, and that Korean women would be afraid to talk even slightly positively about the movement, in fear of being branded as a feminist, which in current times in Korea means that it would put a target on her. The news linked in the thread alongside the misogynistic firing & targeted harrasment of women in the Korean games industry that I knew about beforehand + molka + the recent news of men from the burning sun scandal walking freely right now makes me think that South Korea actually has so many issues that make women there feel unsafe. I genuinely can understand if they support this movement based on those information. Unsubscribed to this channel because I feel it didn't explain it well at all. The people seem like they didn't actually dive deep into this topic, it only seems biased.

[@JinroToad]

Twitter is hotbed for korean feminists so you cant really get neutral info.

[@2x1qsdqw40]

said by radical feminist twitter full of misandry femcel

[@hmmm2564]

Lol 🤣 . Go visit Korea instead of believing people from behind their avatars

[@99syl]

Those "people behind avatars" included links to actual news which informed me as I've said. Also, if you search for videos explaining this issue on KZbin now, you can find others that are way better than this video, and that actually interviewed experts on gender issues + feminist movements in Korea. And honestly, why would I visit Korea as a woman after hearing all those things? Not very good marketing for tourism LOL

[@hmmm2564]

@@99syl I have seen them.plus the many more Korean women denying the 4b popularity

[@DF-jm6dq]

terrible interviewer

[@Marcus_MG42]

He's actually good.

[@brianj4705]

These days, for their safety many people don't get married. Because these days people can get along with by themselves, they dont need to get married. We can read so many homicide accidents especially in Korea and global world.

[@hpyzig6362]

My takeaway in this interview is both interviewee and interviewee trivializes the 4B Movement. It didn’t really make me understand the root of the issue (historical, psychological, socioeconomic, political, emotional) that drove these women towards 4B. Based on this interview, SK society has gotten over it and “radical feminism” is just a societal nuisance.

[@hmmm2564]

Because it is not a big movement in South Korea

[@NBrown-kh8lp]

Why not have a woman on that’s actually apart of the movement, and not someone that can’t really articulate what the real issue is

[@BlackRaven000]

And keep the interrupting interviewer?

[@j.c.9302]

As per usual, nobody watched the video and went straight to weaving their own assumptions and narratives.

[@SeraYagami]

If the people who need to listen actually listened, this movement won't have a reason to exist in the first place, haha.

[@Akma_devil]

​@@SeraYagamiwhy? In our country there is a statistics that tells us that life of woman in marriage is shorter and harder in terms of health than life of a single woman. And in opposite the life of a man in marriage is more comfortable and longer. Why would woman want to date guys then? Now in modern world it useless. I make my own money, I live alone, I don't think "Oh, I have a man at home, he is working too, but I need to make dishes and cleaning and somehow have time to spend it with him like that ideal cuddly couple would, because HE wants me to be that girl". But in reality I can say that I am lazy in terms of relationships. I just don't want to waste my short life on strangers. On guys. They all strangers at the beginning. And reffering to the possibility theory, I can never meet guy I want to be with and even give birth maybe. So....I think in countries where life of a woman in marriage or relationships is harder this movement is perfect choice. Because if you can't continue the family line properly AND/OR enjoy your life with partner, then relationships is useless.

[@flyinpug3791]

Because Asian boss is gay

[@meandyouagainstthealgorith5787]

In part because people leave their KZbin setting set for displaying the most popular comments instead of seeing new comments. For a comment to become popular the comment must be posted quickly. One cannot wait until the end of the video to comment. Such comments will never be read.

[@discursion]

@@Akma_devil I think he/she just meant that if men actually cared to listen, there would not be the necessity of strongly affirming this type of independence. The 4B movement is pushing against the social pressures and norms that in large part driven by males expectations in patriarchal societies. If males gave more importance to female voices, if they listened to their actual needs and granted them more power, there would be no need to pushback because those gender conventions wouldn’t exist as strongly.

[@vanessakutima107]

Korea has deep seated issues that go far beyond a few years ago, this interview could have been so much more insightful

[@Ffffjjjje]

unfollowed because asianboss dude finally showed his misogynistic bias

[@Marcus_MG42]

How about you eff-off to another one of those estrogenic prattling channels?

[@ridhamatri9447]

And you showed your misandrist bias.

[@nalaa9618]

@@ridhamatri9447 keep quiet...ewww

[@poolmoorang]

@@ridhamatri9447 says one angry misogynist, who actually desperately wants acceptance, approval, and love. "pick me, love me, admire me".

[@arindamphonglosa5077]

@@poolmoorang both of you are miserable people ....so quick to put each other in a stereotype, category, boxes etc

[@Heyyy-ef4vh]

The way he behaved with her says a lot how men behaves with women in south korea. No wonder women their joined 4B movement..

[@autumntriesthings]

When you started using the term "radical feminism" I think I just stopped listening lol

[@A.H.59]

Yes, the radical feminists have unfortunately destroyed the movement and made it much harder for the genuine feminists.

[@whitey1253]

Patriarchy is Korea is the the most extreme I've seen. Why only call feminists extreme?

[@user-cnksi223]

Young people even don't want patriarchy in Korea lol that's tough for men as well..

[@juliee593]

It's a good way to keep the status quo. Label people who want change as extremists, no matter how logical their arguments are.

[@user-cnksi223]

@@juliee593 pls read what I wrote. No one wants it lol

[@juliee593]

@@user-cnksi223 yeah, maybe a lot of young korean men don't want it either because they realise how the patriarchy hurts them. But there are people, like older men in positions of power, who benefit from it. And those are the ones who want to label feminists as extreme so that people won't question the way things are.

[@user-cnksi223]

@juliee593 they made poor Korea rich. They've been working hard for their family and country. Honestly, They didnt benefit from that.. it hurts men. I respect older generation because they were strong

[@Tinyy-Bubbles]

Korean “feminism” doesn’t sound like a solution to the nation’s problems but how can we judge people’s need for safety? That’s all the 4B movement boils down to. It sounds aggressive but the origin is the need to feel safe

[@SeraYagami]

Exactly!

[@louiselins]

YES!

[@ladybug3380]

Women will never be safe from men.

[@amanda-uw3un]

I think they don't even understand what radical feminism means lmao 4B is a great movement and I hope it manages to rise, South Korea's treatment of women is disgusting.

[@aoh4905]

It's not that disgusting when most are still dating. Per capita there is way less rape and sexual assault in Korea than over 90% of western countries. Women feel safe to walk alone at night.. which city can you do that in the west? 4B is not a great or bad movement... it's a stupid movement. Generalizing an entire country when it's still one of the safest just makes you look weak and narrow-minded. No country will ever be perfect and it's sad a lot of young women don't realize that. Critical thinking is not common anymore.

[@yourhandsarerough]

​@@aoh4905*cough* Burning Sun *cough*

[@amanda-uw3un]

@@yourhandsarerough burning sun, the nth rooms, the fact that it's a very mysoginistic country with laws that are not in a woman's best interest. I mean, marital rape is not even considered rape there.

[@lovelymill]

@@aoh4905 there is no country where a woman can walk safely ALONE at night. tell me you are not a woman without telling me

[@josephp9141]

How is the legal system against women in Korea?

[@caitlindavies1278]

Interviewer is the worst .

[@khushiz7872]

I hope the interviewer looks at the comments carefully and takes the feedback properly, because his behaviour in this interview is exactly why women are angry…how ironic

[@knomesarecooliguess5928]

I don't want to take away from her points @18:59 becuase her interpretation of her story is valid... but what if your friend was not spewing 'radical hate', but rather a serious concern that women feel. Feminism in Korea is still evolving... most places have gone through similar stages. Its ok to speak about your interpretation of how feminism is in Korea, but to not acknowledge the nuance is disappointing....The fight for equality/ equity is a forever fight! Korean Feminists I support your voices!🔈🔉🔊

[@Serai3]

It's not "all men are dangerous". It's "we have no way of knowing _which_ men are dangerous." That averages out to "all men _could_ be dangerous, therefore avoid them." See: the "man vs. bear" movement in the US. We can't treat all men as safe when some men are not only lethal, but worst than lethal - and we have no way of telling the difference. Sorry if it's uncomfortable, but them's the breaks. A hell of a lot of women simply don't think it's worth the risk anymore.

[@intreoo]

Was yall funded by the misogynists of Korea to disrupt her every minute and not let her finish her point?? Incredibly suffocating to watch; I expected more honestly.

[@yaydahling]

This is such a shallow conversation. They didn't even address the deep-rooted sexism in Korean society such as the largest gender pay gap in OECD countries, giant domestic violence rates, the fact that men can gain custody of children very easily, women being forced to quit jobs while pregnant, etc etc. It's not so simple as "Oh teehee those silly extreme feminists, it was just a crazy trend based on a few extreme crimes and now it's over" also maybe don't interrupt her every 5 seconds.

[@EverydayKorean]

4B sounds similar to Gandhi's noncooperation movement. All they're doing is choosing not to participate. When you label them as 'radical feminist' they sounds dangerous and violent. It's not a fair characterization.

[@NowruzGurbanow]

Mf stop interrupting her

[@sr-kt9ml]

It's like he's not even listening

[@1Raheem]

I think he is guiding the interview just fine. Maybe because you wanted some extra details from her that’s why you feel he’s interrupting 🤷‍♂️

[@derriegel5705]

I don't think, it was that bad. He tried to have a normal conversation and asked for more detailed explanations.

[@IshmaelDoe]

bro he need to guide the conversation to a point that common non Korean people understand what they are saying. Like for example with the knife murder, she didn't provide enough context of the situation. But I kind of agree there are a bit too many interruption and may be he can ask a better question

[@debodatta7398]

As a Korean man i'll say we have our own movement, We will find brides from Japan and Philippines and other nations since our Korean women are falling for this western feminist nonsense.

[@karingtaylor41]

这男的怎么老是打断别人说话？而且带有偏见性的意见，不专业

[@TheSciFiTherapist]

I love how many times he interrupts her as she’s explaining.

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

The comments are just showing a bit of man hate.... Sounds like some have made bad choices and are now bitter.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

Or is it that women are systematically being treated badly? Not only by society, but also in the home?

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

@@Marika-tx5nu Both things could be true. Read the comments and tell me you don't feel any bitter energy pointed at men. Edit: Let me just add, hating on bad men is fine. Hating on men in general is not.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv don’t you agree that women should be bitter?

[@RubenO.-tz5vv]

@@Marika-tx5nu At men in general? No, that would be sexist lol.

[@Marika-tx5nu]

@@RubenO.-tz5vv surely watching a video about 4B should suggest that it’s political issue, do you feel misled about my question? Or are you mentioning sexism because your human rights are in threat?

[@joyce132]

Hard to watch. Let her finish her thoughts and sentences.

[@Narcissus3]

Great Movement! All women around the world should consider this.

[@dy578]

What's stopping you from being single? Breakup with your bf. If you hate men that much.

[@YouSuprised]

Then I would call this a death cult of weak depressed people pretending to care about other women, while nature revolves around endurance, durability, strength and continuity. Mother nature will tell most of these young women they are going to sorely regret their choice when they hit the age they cannot conceive children anymore. It is wicked and deceptive.

[@Dakyta252]

​@dy578 it's not about hating men 🙄 But how men are preferred in avery aspect and u as a woman always takes the short end in everything. U get 0 benefits. It's very much unfair Why would in a modern society still be the standard from the past anyway???

[@tobi79777]

@@dy578 4B does not encourage hatred of men. Only those 4 items. You can still be friends with men and respect them.

[@Narcissus3]

@@dy578 Noone asked your suggestion. F off

[@jfphotography69]

Feminism is a "the tribe that no one is allowed to speak of, especially on JT" construct.

[@diddlybop]

…i guess its time to unfollow asian boss. I have been following this channel for years because I liked learning about topics in Asia and I felt you were a good reporter. It was embarrassing to watch that someone would conduct an interview this way. Constantly interrupting and being biased and not even aware of it. Not good reporting, disappointed.

[@diddlybop]

Bro literally asked if the perpetrator of a stabbing had a knife, useless questions with the intent to interrupt.

[@Marcus_MG42]

Do you know that women lie to be a fake victim on camera so that they can extract resources from the govt. welfare state specifically made for women, while simultaneously false accusing men? Yeah. It's extremely common. Infact more common than the feminist victimhood claims.

[@batm38]

Population 📉Mother earth 📈🌱🌳

[@mrxiong2567]

What a sad ending to South Korea's civilized society.

[@megamanx1291]

What a horrible interview, the journalist should be ashamed of himself. Stop interupting her imposing your bias' of why she wants to have peace and quiet in the first place.

[@yaryeet4163]

I agree. Give her the space to fully answer and try to ask more objective questions.

[@milkflavored]

Yeah I couldn’t finish the video bc he kept interrupting so much

[@twigturt]

Omg 100% agree. The constant interruption is so rude and ignorant.

[@lorie7125]

I think misogyny in the Korean society is not surprising because it mostly comes from Korean dramas 99% of which are based on Stockholm syndrome which is a women/girl abuse. Women/girls in K-dramas go through total relationship, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. They are humiliated, beaten, burned, drugged you name it. (in one of the dramas the Emperor cuts one of his concubine's nose) Some dramas have long 60-80 episodes of abuse, the abused woman falls in love with her abuser and at the end of the last episode have about 5 minutes of happiness. These dramas are a perfect guide for men how to treat their women, girlfriends, wives, and ...mistresses. (These dramas should be banned, scriptwriters of such dramas should be jailed) As a result, women in Korea try to protect themselves using whatever way or method including this 4B strategy.

[@professorprofessorson8795]

There is so much misogyny in the US as well, hopefully 4B movement can come here and increase equality for women

[@NCSTATELUVER89]

Dude if I was her I would be like dude if you want me to speak stop cutting me off. I wished she spoke up and told him to stop interrupting 😅

[@karingtaylor41]

From this interview, i feel uncomfortable because this guy never let the lady finish her sentence

[@Ami-lx2ej]

LET HER TALK so Disappointed in the interviewer

[@hjk9934]

If someone tells you what to do with your own body and even calls you "radical" for refusing it, it would be very creepy as hell. But this is just another day in Korea.