Ask Adam Savage: On Being a Freelancer (and Setting Prices)

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[@2gramsovcoke]

Q were you a fan of scrap heap challenge uk.

[@ryandowney8743]

Now I want Adam to make a video showing some of his old sculptures. I'm sure he still has a few.

[@bzqp2]

He has shown a ton throughout the years. The few that come to my mind are the head-shrinking helmet, fake diary, hellish key box, some mechatronic hand and a plush mace.

[@m.maclellan7147]

One think he points out in his book, ( recommend, I listened to the audio book ) is how supportive, both financially & emotionally his folks were. This is SO important, in my opinion.

[@andrewrobertson444]

Absolutely. Lots of these stories have a 'So I moved to San Francisco' moment and if you're not paying close attention, you miss how much money just that part actually costs. Still, all credit to Adam, he made it pay off.

[@BioshadowX]

I remember a friend of mine who was much more outgoing than me, during our job hunting days and practice interviewing with each other at the end/after college, he would always answer the "what do you want out of this job" question with a joking, well money, and second, dead serious, something like "I will be having fun and problem solving in my life. I hope it can be during this job and it sure seems like it but even if not, it will then be funding to pursue my fun and problem solving after work and weekends." I always thought that was incredibly ballsy and at the same time really struck something in me. The first half of your story just really reminded me of him.

[@wobblysauce]

To go to a store and not just look for things on sale...

[@rickklein5136]

This is very different in tone than any other monologue from Adam. You can hear it in his voice and see it in his eyes when he’s talking about it, he GENUINELY loves the arts. Not that it was ever in doubt, just never seen this excitement talking about it.

[@I_SuperHiro_I]

Wage stagnation.... That hits close to the home I can’t afford.

[@joshuawatson1902]

I loved his comment at the end about if you’re a professional, find a young upstart and give them advice. I am fortunate enough to have been a freelance editor for many, many years, and I have supported myself and my family on it. I just recently moved back to the area I went to film school in. Adam’s comment got me thinking that I need to find a way to mentor young filmmakers and pay it forward, as Adam said.

[@robodabbler]

Perhaps - bring not just your expertise, but your connections in the industry to young filmmakers by being an executive producer of a college film that involves several.

[@kherve4255]

Please do, I didn't have a mentor and reaching 32 years and i think i could have used my early 20s more effectively

[@pony3284]

As a kid, EVERYONE would praise me for my answers to the ol' "what do you want to be when you're older" question. But no one ever offered advice on how to move forward, or asked me how I planned on getting there. I made baby steps towards my dreams in mid 20s but now im in my 30s and starting to think I need to reevaluate my options. So yes, please reach out and make yourself available for others. They might not come asking questions, but you could still inspire or push them forward

[@jeffreysmith236]

So after watching this video Adam taught me precisely the career path I should take. 45 years too late. Because I could never figure out what I wanted to do. Which is what he does. And what he did 45 years ago. And 35 years ago. Hell my sister and mother both told me I should work at ILM way back in 1980.

[@corndog6700]

Yeah, but many times, I was hesitant to leave a good paying, benefits having job that was secure, to a new job that wasn't as secure. Still had to make those mortgage payments.

[@digiternst]

In graphic design, I've heard the saying "price the client, not the work." While gd is maybe more of a revenue generating device than maker things, maybe it could apply as well?

[@MrDexter9i3]

I swear to god Adam, this is just one of many videos where the thought process of young you is me right now. And you sharing the answers to those personal struggles means so much! I was stressing about not tinkering at home the way I used to do, not realizing that I’m scratching that itch on my workplace. It kinda crept up with years and jobs closer to my scope of interest. Seems so simple, but only when someone points it out. Thank you.

[@cynmcmillan382]

“My brains and my hands.” I love that he used the plurality for brain because I am sure that he has more than one brain in that head and all very smart brains.

[@jcatslist]

I also caught that. Very cool

[@jrbergsten]

Years ago we were approached to do some job. At the time we wanted an Amiga PC so we said we’d do it for the cost of one. They say fine if we can do it overnight (it was late afternoon). So we did. Afterwards they bitched that we screwed then somehow since clearly it was too easy. It wasn’t but we knew what we were doing and of course they expected us to fail. The next time they came with a request we told them we were busy.

[@pkchef92]

Adam, the 5-6min mark really spoke to me. As a chef turned dietitian I've had a hard time wrapping my head around what I really want to do, kitchen vs client nutrition. And your bit about the fact that the commercial stuff was including all your creative energy made me realize that the perfect blend is out there you just have to have an open mind. As a maker of food, to a maker of things, thank you for this and all your videos

[@nathantron]

How do you cope with depression or moments of real sadness? I find myself really in bad places from time to time and I fear it will end me some day. You always emit such a happy, enthusiastic energy.

[@JohnLewis-qg8rz]

Please find somebody to confide in and if you can see a councilor. It helped me.

[@stevesmith1764]

I used to love it when Adam did his David Attenborough impression when Jamie was doing things in the background classic 👌😆

[@mattlarson7784]

Thank you so much for the second question. After working wage hours for all my life, I was thrown into trying to become my own boss because covid, thanks, virus. The time v money debate that rages in my head with every job always leaves me with imposter syndrome. The 500/day/person is a metric I’d never have come across. It may be out of date in CA, but in flyover country, that’s golden. Thanks again, man.

[@bassman87]

Even though its been 7 years sense I've been in a band playing music, I still consider myself a Musician. The skills of how to play, and the creativity of playing is still within me, and because of this I also still say I'm a Musician.

[@joew717]

same here! I even went on to start booking my band for private parties, weddings and corporate events and it was always a guessing game determining what the market would bear. I could send out only high quotes and book occasional gigs, only low quotes and burn the band out gigging 5 nights a week for little pay or find that sweet spot where you're working just enough shows to stay active a few times a month and still make more than most bar bands in town. Then my crew was available to gig with other bands or spend time with their families, etc. Same thing with what Adam's friend was saying about the negotiations too. I would cringe waiting for their reaction and wonder if I'm way over/under their budget, etc. Of course I'd kick myself when they'd say "that's all?" dang it! Except often I was giving estimates to event planners who had to provide multiple quotes to their client to select from so the secret weapon in that case was sending them a stellar media kit and hope it's better than what the other bands sent in, etc. (professionally shot and edited videos -vs- shaky cell phone footage with poor sound quality, etc). Since we're in Fort Lauderdale gigs within an hour radius (which covered Palm Beach through Miami) worked out a rate per person, per hour for the performance plus some extra to cover overhead/operating costs. Once the gig started moving 2+ hours from home and/or special requests then the price started going up. Do we need lodging? Do I need to rent extra equipment? Do I need to hire extra musicians? Do I need to make 5 people learn a bunch of special requests? Does that mean more practice time at home plus renting extra time at the rehearsal studio? Oh, they want a pianist for the cocktail hour and a 7 piece band for the reception at their wedding in the Keys, now we're moving the price up again and not feeling bashful about it! Oh, they want us there extra early on a weekday to set up and sound check before guests arrive that the corporate event mixer at 6pm? Well that'll cost extra because we have to take off work early

[@3DJapan]

8:00 When I first got out of school and started freelancing I had the same question of rates. One of my classmates that I still talked to told me "start at $25/hr and don't ever go below that". Well, it turns out my first job was for my uncle, a scientist. I told him what I had been told and he offered me $30. So after that job was done (4 months long) I charged $30. Every few years I raised it until now I'm at $45. Side note: Some people say "If you're clients aren't complaining you need to charge more."

[@michaelhofer9149]

I would LOVE to have a workshop like that! The Bridgeport vertical gives me goosebumps and I bet there’s a machine lathe hiding in there somewhere!

[@Liqudus]

Adam, Thanks SOOO much for this. These are questions I ask myself all the time and never come up with a good answers.

[@rollingballsculptures]

I've worked for myself for 18 years making Rolling Ball Sculpture. Thanks for the insight, Adam! Helpful.

[@ClubSloth]

Adam I just recently have had some time to view content. Dude you are frickin awesome. I knew you had a great personality but your enthusiasm and the way you approach the projects you do is exciting. I just turned 50 last month and after 20 yrs cooking I went back to school 7 yrs ago to become a machinist should of done that 30 yrs ago. I wish all the best to you and your crew.

[@Stanwich2781]

How have i not been subscribed all this time?! Done and Done! Love this channel Adam . Have you ever had an episode about shop space? Basically your most useful tools and how to organize. I'm finally setting up a little shop and could use advice on layout.

[@Jthomsonhate7]

You sir, have an amazing personality that we've all been blessed with the opportunity of watching grow. I finish every video with "this guy gets it." Your stories are therapeutic in so many ways. Thank you

[@EndLess1UP]

Thanks for putting this stuff out there! Great talk!

[@SuperCMusic]

Everything you said in this video is applicable to many freelance careers. As a freelance musician and music producer everything mentioned I've experienced or done. Great advice

[@jaredhanson9758]

Idk what specifically makes this channel so good, but I have found a lot of comfort listening to these videos as I move into freelance design engineering work. Thanks Adam and team! Keep it up?

[@derrickwilliams2903]

One of the best Q&A videos you've ever done.

[@Ventuskeymaster]

I love watching this channel and enjoy ur content. 💗 thanks Adam for the advice on stuff. Love ur channel 💓

[@timknight4769]

"interest feeds" - new Adam slogan tee! A Thanks for the content from the UK!

[@oilerfreak]

Wow Adam, that was the MOST insightful and informative video I have watched in years. As a "freelance" carpenter/general contractor in Canada I have had to do the same in my business. For me I have always used a $400/day person average before materials and used that for a decade before the economic crash here in the prairie provinces. Sadly now I have had a career ending injury and am myself going through that molting act of going from residential and commercial renovation/construction to hands on woodworking and sports cards/memorabilia. This has been a life altering experience by far. But back on topic, what you said here today is why I follow you both on here and on Twitter. You are a sage and wise man well worth listening too. Thanks as always.

[@supatimefunshow]

Thanks a lot for doing these. I really get a lot of your Q and A's and I really appreciate the lessons.

[@fritzthefox]

I really needed to hear this. Thankyou!

[@tubaterry]

I love the way you put the "I used to be" problem. I've not been a professional tuba player for... oh crap 15 years now? I'm still a tuba player though, and in some ways it still helps me in my tech career too. Just like you, all of my creative experience feeds into the creative output I have now, and it's great.

[@amandawatson5931]

Freelancers have my huge respect and admiration, it takes a strong personality to basically work for yourself.

[@flikopaints]

I totally agree with what you say about having some activities feed your need to create. Since I am engineering all day drawing up plans or making models in 3D for work, it sometimes will be days or weeks before I get to my hobby bench cause all those muscles are burnt out during the day job.

[@fdolbec123]

This episode was great, I learned a lot of things. Thanks! 😊

[@josebatista5188]

It's cool that Adam is so passionate about his business to the point that he enjoys sharing the nuts and bolts with other people. Most public figures are not interested in telling you the details of how to get to where they are.

[@purplehayes33]

@Adam Savages's Tested - Love this Post, Im a freelance Animator / Designer and can totally relate. Thanks for your insights appreciate you.✊

[@dreamers2makersproject]

The university of TESTED - A crew of lovely people that have impacted me professionally and personally by their kindness and knowledge. This video is another great insight.....

[@rewhit23]

This came at an incredible time for me. I literally just quit a job last week that was keeping me from freelancing as a grip and now all the connections that I've made in key grips, gaffers, directors etc have been great sources of information. The elders in your field are more often than not willing to help and share their experience to help you out, assuming you bust your ass and do a good job.

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

I love your gentle forays into heavy societal commentary. Just hints of it…and it’s enough.

[@classiccomedycinemaprogram1640]

Just wandered onto his channel... I just like learning stuff (that I don't need) from him😊

[@AngelNatavi]

I LOVE these videos. As a freelance 3d artist/modeler/texture artist, this is incredibly valuable.

[@ziggy5246]

Hey Adam, I’m a couple days into the beginning of a separation. This is the first thing I’ve been able to digest since it was over - super heavy I know, right! Lol. So, I’m a designer, an artist, a maker, a creator of all sorts. I’d just like to say this hit me in a certain place I really needed to hear right now. My partner and I are still great friends, which almost hurts more sometimes. But we’ve both committed to exploring ourselves independently and healing :)

[@Kevlar-78]

Such a great dude man. I applaud your humanity sir ! 🍻

[@Wizzard033]

Good advice I have very similar experiences as a freelance carpenter for 35+ years

[@Joe-so6su]

That $500 per person day is really reassuring. I was recently calculating my expenses, and wanted expenses, to figure out the minimum I need to charge including taxes and all. Its actually ended up close at above $400 a day. I thought that was high but its nice to know it isn't. Thanks for being the professional giving advice to young startups. Although I'd like to add, from what I've seen of others getting started or those struggling, tend not to take into account their own expenses. At least for myself it's been really eye opening to figure out the cost of everything and to see that I need to charge more than I first imagined. Now when I'm uncertain of what I'm charging I can just look at my expenses and see that it's not necessarily what I want to charge but what I need to.

[@markpennington9250]

I'm going to show this to my Graphic Design Class. Great Video Adam, Thank You

[@ronsteelable9405]

As a small time freelance metal fabricator, the pricing model is pretty close to what I learned. Thanks Adam for the extra tips!

[@bcostell69]

really useful conversion, I love

[@timogul]

I've shifted out of commissioned art work, but back when I was doing it, I just learned basically how much time a project would take, and my rate was based on getting a quality hourly wage for the work done. If they weren't willing to pay me a decent living wage, then I would just work a different project. Of course, this was at a point where I had enough that I wasn't paycheck-to-paycheck and I had a waiting list of projects to work on that was at least a week or two out, so going another week or two without getting any incoming offers would be fine. If I were hungrier then I might lower by prices a bit. ;)

[@user-pe9qg3hg3k]

I can't believe the amount of content that Adam Savage and the team puts out there for us all. This is the treasure trove side of KZbin. I am in awe of all the information that there is here.

[@billintulsa]

Always love watching your videos. Besides great content, I am often mesmerized by your animated Swiss Army Knife display.

[@16matthewb16]

I’ve never really thought of how “career” is defined but it really struck a cord with me. My job is a combination of all the things I love to do and I’m regularly challenged by something new. I have frequently said if I wasn’t doing these sorts of projects at work, that I’d be doing them at home as a hobby. Thankfully I’m fairly skilled and educated in just the right areas for what I do. I guess that all came together like it was supposed to.

[@eh4372]

Your very inspirational person. Big fan.

[@mdgeisto8953]

Having gone freelance myself in early 2020, I loved the setting prices part 👍

[@peeternomm]

I am an engineering freelacer myself. Good points about seting prices. I would like to add one more. If you have agreed an a price and find out that you will spend more time than initially expected do not pay any attention on that. Spend the time it takes to deliver your promised quality. Long term customers can appreciate it.

[@Nomadboatbuilding]

I’m in wooden boat building and $500 per man day is my benchmark for estimating too. However, I find I routinely underestimate the time required by as much as 50% for boat work. Making myself double the estimate to compensate for that is always the greatest challenge. Strangely, for furniture type work I'm often bang on. Go figure.

[@jackmalvern5704]

Any job where you can use your skills to produce something people will use or appreciate is a plus. I worked in printing for years. There's a sense of satisfaction when the job is done well.

[@yob720]

Growing up I loved computers and tech, and would always tinker with computer parts and such... Went to college and became and IT pro.... "Yes, I get paid to play with technology." I thought to myself. Years later, now when I get home from work, I just want to work in the garden.

[@hawkbox]

Same, I get paid very well to do IT sysadmin/Management and I brew beer and blacksmith these days in my spare time.

[@patricks_music]

Thank you for discussing payments. I am a freelance musician and marketer and I’ve been cutting rates too low. Might have to revise my approach to it!

[@Mtlmshr]

Boy do I get what you said about not doing the sculpture work at home because your work was filling that need! I have been very fortunate in my 40+ year career that (as I alway say) my job is my hobby that became my job that’s still my hobby! I still revel in the fact that people actually pay (and pay fairly well) for me to do what I love to do! I am a very lucky man! Oh and it just so happens that I live just north of SF in Sonoma!

[@visualartsbyjr2464]

One of the things I learnt early on, for creating art of any medium, is that it’ll take more time than you think. The other is communication with the client (might be that a material is way more expensive etc). For me in Canada; my current price is $30 and hour + raw materials + 15% (for the taxman). If it’s a commission, a $50 consultation fee. Rather have my pieces sold than sitting at home gathering dust (I don’t have much space). Not a hoarder like you Adam *smirks*

[@thequixotryworkshop2424]

Hi Adam:-) big fan! I am also a maker. Busy building an etching press and posting it on KZbin!

[@jonn_mace_80_95_]

Adam Savage truly is blessed with his career in the arts.

[@jimnunn9232]

When quoting special projects when the discussion is on what the goals are and what customer expiations are. you can usually discover what the budget is for the project.

[@LacrosseBoss]

“It is a serial operation of capitalism” *** KZbin ad immediately begins ***

[@watsisbuttndo829]

I once worked for a fibreglassing company and at one time we were asked to quote for an inground swimming pool in a already completed building. It was going to be a royal pain and we were already pretty busy and the company owner honestly saw easier ways to make a dollar. He priced it all out and thought about it a while, didn't really like it so tripled the final quote. We still won the contract!

[@MM-dn3de]

Great advice Adam. I'm a airbrusher , 3d props ,and also do fabrication . Done work for big companies. When I was starting out customer would say give me a deal al my buddies want paint work. So I would.. they never came. SO. ,

[@3DJapan]

The story about the flats reminds me of when I was in school for photography and the coffee shop I was working in was willing to hang up my work so I got it all matted and framed. And did some research on how much I should charge. I forget what it was but it was way higher than what I thought they should be. Now nobody bought any but that's exerted for student work. With the exception of one co-worker who could only offer a good chunk less than I priced it at but she was a friend so I accepted it.

[@animateangus]

Interesting insight. I did model making at college for 3 years, with the intention of going to study animation (stop motion) at university and hopefully using that to start a career. Unfortunately I failed to get into uni on four occasions and have been forced into freelancing. It’s strange because I still see it as a hobby, doing the work from home but the costing factor is something that always stumps me - wether it be building a miniature, animating a stop motion model or filming/editing a live action short. It’s almost like I’ve branched out into some many different avenues that I don’t know what my job title actually is!

[@Bendit1974]

I would like to see your earlier sculptures. Got any media of them?

[@mannyoria291]

i Like how he always speaks well of Jamie. he credits him all the time.Just because they were not like hang out friends outside of work speaks tons of both men

[@adamcravets5408]

My personal take on pricing is: set your price somewhere that makes you flinch then add 10%. Then write it down and read it to your prospective client. Almost every time I set a price like this I was kicking myself for not charging more once they accepted the bid. So I raised the price again to where I flinched then added 10% and read that new answer to the next client then kicked myself for not charging more… etc etc. and never ever do work based on dollars per hour.

[@bps3013]

Great vid as usual, but I have a total need for that REBEL ALLIANCE T-shirt! Any deets on that?

[@teentraveler1790]

Charge a just a litt bit more than what it cost to work for someone. Got it. Thanks for the rest of the tips.

[@Getawaymoments]

I want to hear more about your Beach Blanket Babylon experience. Did you make any of the head gear?

[@martinhanke1670]

I work in an industry that is very regulated, however we do have a market rate, we can charge, as well as a state minimum. for long time in the beginning, I'd charge state minimum, than, when taking to a person who's been in the business a long time, I charged 1 1/2 times what I was charging. They paid without question. Then once, I charged quite a bit more, and got paid. So from than on, it became my market rate. thanks for the video.

[@trevann8213]

I want to see Adam reacting to William Osman building his x-ray machine now

[@christopherwedemeyer2993]

Would love to see some of your early sculptures

[@dominicthoreau]

Just a salary data point: I’m a software developer for a global company. If my department lend me out to other departments, the “client” will be billed for my time at 4.3 *times* my take home pay. A previous employer often had staff action as expert witnesses in their field, for 5x a day. I once heard a conversation recommending fixed term developer contracts ask for rates which assume they won’t work for six months after contract end. A quick calculation suggests in US$ I would be charging approx $1000/day, but if you read wanted adverts online, I’d be asking 20% more if I was to seek a new employer. Bottom line: if you highball, you might have to bargain down, but employers will (mostly) quite happily accept your lowball requests.

[@MatiasKiviniemi]

The pricing part only applies in a field that is not cost driven. In most things you're trying to sell something on ~30% margin, i.e. most of the price is costs you will pay out from your pocket upfront. The price you ask is "cost + honest days pay (~you could hire someone competent for this)" + your margin. You aim a bit over industry average, e.g. bid 35% and negotiate down depending on workload, how good the customer is etc.

[@trashfirefuneral]

That's pretty accurate Commentary on SF/LA/NY sometimes I'm amazed we didnt meet randomly The Santa Rosa Warehouse was definitely where I didn't have any ambitions, thankfully close enough to SF I met some of the indy people I fell in with. I made a movie in SF Academy of Art College in the auto design rooms for crying out loud XD If I'd been in NY... IDK, but you got me all sentimental in this one

[@Mtlmshr]

As a metal fabricator doing custom metal work in the northern Ca area (mainly working on race cars) I charge $150.00 hr and people are happy to pay that oh and I have a minimum of $85 so if you come in and I make a one inch weld on something it’s $85 and that appears to be the going rate up here in this area!

[@kherve4255]

I just realized it's my path, started in art and now interested in manufacturing, and engineering, it's a weird place to be at first

[@Alexisj1991]

For a moment there I thought he was about to cry 9:45 glad that wasn't the case lol, i'ts always cool seeing this man be so upbeat

[@waithereivegonetogethelp3240]

You really need to take one more link out of that watch bracelet. ;)

[@rmp5s]

Yup. Just finished my first contact IT job and the WHOLE TIME I was thinking, "what's next..." Not only was the contract supposed to end in mid February and instead ended two days before Christmas (classy, eh?), I hate that uncertainty. I can see the draw, though. Some people like the change of scenery. And the money was nuts. lol

[@brootalbap]

I wish i had that kind of experience where the job feeds your needs.

[@eddelaney3834]

Adam, you described your experience with the San Francisco Maritime Museum. Federal contracting (yes, even if the purchase was via a federal credit card it was still a "procurement" and thus in the realm of contracting) has very strict rules. Only in certain forms of contracting is negotiation with a vendor (i.e., Adam Savage) allowed. What you described isn't one of those. Think multi-million dollar ship repair, or the construction of a federal building, as a realm where negotiation is the norm. You offered your services at $950. An offer of $860 was accepted, and the work went to someone else. The person or office seeking to have the work performed had an estimate (which is kept secret until the transaction is complete). The estimate is effectively a cap on what could be spent (there are caveates, but I've a 1000 page book that gets into those aspects). Someone who doesn't follow the rules, even if they really like you and your work, can lose their job by doing something like simply negotiating on a "simplified purchase". While this may seem absurd to you, especially in a freelance format, I suspect you would want people making purchases for the federal government to follow the rules when having a US Navy ship repaired or when hiring doctors to work at the VA. The rules are pretty absolute, and the threat is that people who don't follow the rules may find themselves in violation of federal law. Perhaps far more than you are interested in. I worked at Golden Gate NRA as a contract specialist around the year 2010, and occasionally made purchases for San Francisco Maritime. It was fun, but I couldn't afford to live in the area.

[@jerryfick613]

I think quote from an acquaintance, colleague and fellow discovery alum is apropos to the first question and answer. "Don't follow your passion, take it with you!"

[@farmmuff]

Adam, the what's next portion is exactly right. Gene Simmons mother raised him that way.A little dab 'll do ya, by Mike Rowe

[@charlie9ine]

I’m a painter... I used to work in film and TV. One fed my problem solving skills. The other fed my problem solving skills and released my creative voice. I have spent my life getting away with telling difficult and relative human stories by understanding how the commercial world works. So far I’ve beat the odds.

[@justinsaunders4068]

The strategy of the supervisor is genius

[@umahunter]

I've worked for myself for a long time and sometimes you just have to realize no matter what you do you won't win them all lol I remember I once lost a bid over 5 dollars they didn't care about my reputation references etc they just wanted the absolute cheapest price so I bid this is my total price they took another bid from a much bigger place cause they were 5 bucks less then actually ended up spending more because they didn't know about the hidden charges that company didn't include in their add we charge X amount for this install then they add delivery site prep demo if any and clean up

[@michaelmakemore633]

I work freelance, and setting prices is difficult to rationalize. This video is invaluable. Thanks Adam!

[@VE4GAG]

I'm a one-man show and the formula I use is Cost of materials X2 to cover my labour plus 30%.

[@HippocampusGirl]

Can you link the Nike commercial you did?

[@FlameForgedSoul]

(Quoting a quote from a design book by Adrian Shaughnessy I don't have in front of me atm): "If you hand a client an invoice and slap him in the face, and he complains about being slapped, you didn't charge enough".