Mizuno JPX921 Forged vs MP20 HMB Matchup

[@weeceman2006]

I just went out today and tried demo clubs for both at the range. Came home and found this video. Great timing; thanks for the review! Now to decide which way to go!

[@okimike5963]

I’ve been really looking for a 921 Tour vs MP20 MMC comparison. Hopefully that’s next on your list

[@eymun]

This was a great review. Like the forgiveness analysis. No one doing that! Keep it up!

[@AskGolfNut]

I know why they don't as it takes an absolute age to complete so generally not cost effective to do.... Luckily I believe in the quality of the content rather than how much money I make from each video 👍

[@christophertandy8317]

Loved the face mapping, recently did this myself using smash factor on my driver head. Brutally honest I think it would probably filter a lot of driver options out! On another note I use 5,6 HMB and then 7-pw MP20, the 6 iron was weakened to blend better by a degree. Visually in the bag the look good, top line stuff never bothered me, HMB is confidence inspiring and yes feels more energetic off the face. MP20s are very nice but I like the feedback letting me know bad shots, but blades of today are no way the same as blades from the early 90s ... people should try them they really are rather forgiving and distance control is better for scoring irons. I just find the 919 and 921 a little busy in appearance but I wouldn’t say no if I lost my clubs ( I would be very upset if this happened because the ones I have feel like my forever clubs )

[@leerogers2124]

Hi Jay, I've now used my new HMB 5 6 and 7 irons a couple of times after picking them up from you on Sunday and I absolutely love them. They do look a bit bigger than my 8 9 and PW blades but I enjoy hitting them just as much.

[@robertsymes6421]

Another fantastic review Jay. I recently replaced my JPX919 5 to 7 iron with the MP20 HMB and added the MP20 HMB 4 iron, gapping is perfect, love the feel and stop on the green. Keep well.

[@mariocastillo813]

I currently play the HMB irons P thru 5 and have a Jpx 921 Hot Metal 4 iron. Love it. Taken my game to the next level.

[@AskGolfNut]

The longer irons launch really well considering the lofts. Many people will definitely be using them as fairway finders off the tee. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

[@JohnnyDSR]

Great review. Frankly the best review on the air between these two clubs! Getting fitted tomorrow for the optimum combo of Mizuno irons in either of the two families, MP-20 and JPX. Interesting information on the 8, 9 irons since I will go with either MMC or JPX Forged in the "scoring" clubs and HMB or JPXHMP for the 6, 7 iron. Everything higher is JPX HiFli until 5W and Driver. For a 70 year old that still strikes irons well, I can't give up the Mizuno feel for a distance iron after playing 714 AP2s for several years! (I am not impressed with T100s / 200 look and feel)

[@aliogg]

Fantastic video and a great comparison. I’ve got a fitting at the end of the month and have been looking at these 2 irons. Glad I came across this video, now subscribed 👍

[@MB-xx6xc]

It comes down to looks. The mp20s are just gorgeous looking clubs!

[@AskGolfNut]

I'd agree and get my vote 👍

[@MB-xx6xc]

@@AskGolfNut thank you for the review! Awesome work!

[@darrenmiller1981]

Another great vid - love the drop-off detail on strike. Gonna get fitted for new irons once we come out of lockdown, 921 forged are defo on my list to try (currently gaming 900 HM’s).

[@broderickwilliams7281]

Great review. Any kind of info on choosing between the mp20 mmc vs jpx 921 forged? I know it’s different metals but looking to Improve with consistency currently at a 6 handicap playing 919 forged.

[@cynt1111]

Got MP20 HMB’s absolutely beautiful and soft.

[@paulbown3960]

Thanks for the content always a good informative watch

[@deanbowditch7329]

I always love your content Jay. Very informative. I'm in the process of eliminating my old Mp 30s which at my age are not getting any easier to hit. I love the mp line and am looking forward to hitting the JPX line and see if they sway me away from my beloved MP'S..I really wish you would put out more content and am spreading the word of your channel on the range here in cold Ohio......

[@jiml9062]

Been hitting Miz blades since my TP9's and I just gave up my MP4's (reluctantly, but age has caught up). Should have changed at the JPX 919's but could not give 'my precious' but having trialed the 921 Forged I was converted, you will not be disappointed and they are so much easier (and longer) for us seniors

[@deanbowditch7329]

@@jiml9062 Thanks for the info Jim. Did you hit the Mp 20 Hmb ? Curios. I hit both 7 irons and both felt great . Flip the coin i guess .......

[@jiml9062]

@@deanbowditch7329 Dean, the MP20 HMB range is quite chunky and looks like an over fed MP20 (MP20, beautiful iron, had to try it and I was being sucked in when the guy said I was hitting it well, had to drag myself away). I tried the Forged against the Taylormade P790, impressive club with similar carry distance but being a Miz Man it was always going to be the Forged. I will soon be 68, lowest handicap was 2, now 7, I was carrying the 7 iron 154 yards average at 6800 revs with a decent angle of 49 degrees and the guy reckoned that 160 was easily within range if I could get the spin down. Had to face up to the ageing factor and leave the blades behind but I am very impressed with the Forged and now easily hitting 1-1½ clubs less. I hope you find the right clubs and enjoy your golf going forward.

[@deanbowditch7329]

@@jiml9062 I thought the same with the HMB . You seem very knowledgeable. I'm 55 but coming back from tearing my quad tendon in a fall in April. Only played 4 rounds in November and that went horribly . I couldn't turn. I'm a 8 handicap but probably more like a 10 or worse after long layoff until April 2021. I hope to have clubs by than. Have you hit the Mp20 mmc ? Those are in the mix for me as well....

[@jiml9062]

@@deanbowditch7329 ''Those are in the mix for me'', the magic words Dean, I went for a fitting for the Forged after a very long research but when I saw all the shiny blades I was tempted and distracted so after hitting the MP20 Tour I woke up to the fact that I am unable to hit blades to the club potential and that I now needed a bit help from a cavity back club and the Forged delivered more than I expected so I did not hit the MMC. My driver clubhead speed has gone from 105 (a long time ago) to 92, time and age creep up quickly and I did not expect to see again, the carry distance of the Forged, with the great descent angle, so try them all, hopefully with a good fitter and you will find the right clubs for you, good luck with the injury.

[@sterlingrice8662]

Regarding "workability", might this be less of a feature these days now that even high quality modern balls are less soft than say. a balata ball from many years ago? I believe Tiger has mentioned this change, and if anyone knows something about "workability", it's him. On a humorous note, I remember Dan Jenkins, a golf writer with a wry sense of humor, defining "workability" as making the ball last for 18 holes. I think we can all get on that wagon. Great little evaluation today; greetings from the the States.

[@MrJnholmes1]

Another great review, Jay!

[@jarrodcolburne2409]

What a perfect video. My goal is to get the softest feeling iron that I can hit well. I went from AP2 to JPX 900 forged and really liked the feel of the Mizunos. I got fitted last summer and the T-200s won based on numbers, so that’s what I went with, I didn’t hit the JPX 919 forged all that well. I’m still interested in mizuno just for the nicer feel. I picked up some really cheap used MP-52s to practice with over the winter and do they ever feel nice when hit well.... from the sounds of things, the HMBs could be right up my alley.

[@cynt1111]

Got them , soft with a bit of forgiveness and look way better in the bag. (I’m a golf snob)

[@JohnnyDSR]

Amazing how spot on so many who have been playing AP2s feel about switching over to some combo of what Mizuno is currently offering. Same situation, getting older just crossed the big 70 but still have enough game to take a few $$ from my buddies. I want to enjoy the feel of the game more than just distance / ego. Precision is what its all about now and having a lights out short game LOL. Oh the joys of retirement, age, and more playing / practice time per week!

[@Murf1802]

Sorry man double comment watched complete video and it was awesome ty,, just wondering I game 5,6 p790 and 7 down to PW P770 would you consider testing those or one of those irons against the forged 921 thinking about a switch but don't know enough,, anyway thanks again great stuff!!!

[@steveditzler6014]

Very informative analysis. Keep up the good work. I get feeling you like the HMB better, but am not sure. Recently ordered 5 - SW of 921 Hot metal irons. Hope they give me the forgivenness I need. I usually hit toe shots. When I mishit, I hit heel to hosel shots. Happy New Year.

[@steveditzler6014]

@@muddymarvellous They are great. y buddy, who has a set of mizuno forged irons, is always asking to take a shot with them. They are forgiving, but do not look like more obviously built forgiving clubs. I can get elevation with them, which has always been my problem. Good golfing mate.

[@richardgatehouse1520]

Great review cheers Jay

[@brucecrouch802]

I was contemplating changing from HMB to JPX, but recently moved from ProV1 to Bridgestone BRX and found I got back what I was looking for more consistent and slightly reduced spin and better flight and distance, but stopping power was almost negligible. Just another way to get a similar result.

[@evoviiiyou831]

Thank you and either is perfect for me

[@TheSlamminP]

Greetings Mr. Nut, how do you calculate the face forgiveness figures starting at 17 minutes? Do you have a database of them where you can compare irons? Ty sir!

[@Murf1802]

Nice man how'd I miss you all these years lol,, well iam not even sure how long you've been producing videos lol,,, anyway I subscribed and liked video and I only watch 2 minutes of it so far,, I caught your no nonsense attitude right away and I love that also I caught your first swing in the very beginning and no doubt caught my eye,, love the Ben Hogan wrap around the back with that lag absolutely love that soft hands and arms!/shoulders good for you!! So anyway Bla Bla Bla what iam trying to say is iam a big Fan Already thanks man for getting down to business!! Now I'll check out video lol!! Lol

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Kev, well what better compliment to pay someone than comparing them to one of the best ever and for that I can only thank you. My content has and always will be directed at pure honesty and integrity and not biased by product or money. Do I get equivalent for free... Yes bring honest I do but I am fortunate to be in this position and have no ties to any particular manufacturer so I only have the best equipment possible. No different to any other person that could open a sweet shop and pick the nicest sweets for them. I will continue to produce non biased honest performance data for you guys to use to understand what equipment to purchase with your hard earned money. I can only thank you for the kind feedback you have given and am glad that you enjoyed it. As always more to follow, difficult to get a constant stream of content out as I'm busy Coaching and Custom Fitting, but will as always try my very best. Merry Christmas and a Happy New year 👍

[@donovanniels1149]

Interesting that you have an average of 10 yards different carry between these irons? I actually have the hmb and the jpx21 hotmetal and for me there's only app. 4-5 yard difference between the 7 iron and app. 2 yards with the 4 iron?

[@gatgolf]

Jay - I noticed you never directly compared the 921 HM Pro to the 921 Forged. Is that because those two are so close to one another?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Chris, good point there. It's been a while since those videos so no real honest answer to why I didn't. But from a Custom Fitting side of things there are usually used to either blend into, or through lie angle needs or pure players feel and aesthetic requirements 👍

[@georgesmith4639]

"It was crisp off the center but sweet right in the middle, but enough of the mince pie review...."

[@0SongDog0]

Perfect!!!

[@AskGolfNut]

Perfect timing 😊

[@TheBigBananaaa]

The 921 would be a better iron set for a single figure handicap player if the lofts were 2 or 3 degrees weaker 🤗

[@canyonaro]

You can use a spinnier ball like Pro V1x or Mizuno's own RB Tour. Or bend them weaker, which will also reduce offset. Or buy one of the seven or eight other models they offer. 🤷‍♂️

[@markh9246]

After playing with my new set I need my Jpx 921 forged, 5,6,7 iron bending 1 degree weaker to get gapping perfect

[@AskGolfNut]

What's the gapping between them all and the gap between the 8 and 7? 👍

[@legend9018]

You keep saying you’re not a robot but with those numbers I’m starting to wonder lol. Happy Christmas 🎄

[@AskGolfNut]

Merry Xmas 👍 will be working hard in 2021 to earn the rank of human launch monitor 😊

[@jiml9062]

JPX921 - is there a gapping issue between the chromo 7 and the standard 8?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Jim, not as far as I have experienced due to the Chromoly face at the loft of the 7i making very little to marginal improvements. The higher the loft the larger the deflection the less the face technology helps 👍

[@johnk.atchley5079]

Got a chuckle from the chalkboard behind you. It says "Regriping." Assume that must be something for old curmudgeons who do a lot of griping, but can't be satisfied with that and then do regriping.

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi John, it's from the other Pros that teach in the Outdoor Teaching Bay. I Coach and Custom Fit in my Indoor Studio which is much more technologically driven using launch monitor analysis, cameras etc. I wonder myself sometimes if they ever change what's written on there 😁

[@johnk.atchley5079]

@@AskGolfNut I really like your thorough tests, spent an hour watching several. Excellent. Oh, and I see you are griping about the other pros. Well done.

[@AskGolfNut]

Not necessarily griping but for my videos (and I do use their space to produce part of my content) I wish that the messages would change a little. But then again we have been in lockdown for months so I guess nothing will change until we can get back coaching.

[@johnk.atchley5079]

@@AskGolfNut Please don't take me seriously on this. Was just joking about the difference between gripping and griping. And I hope you understand I really appreciate your thorough tests. Really helpful.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks John, no probs at all, lost in translation with the use of a p 😁 hopefully Apex Pro Iron Review coming tonight for you to watch 👍

[@kevinjeffery1865]

Great video 👍

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks Kevin for the kind feedback 👍

[@MB-xx6xc]

Is there such a thing as flyers with the HMB? I ended up buying the HMBs and I'm getting this flyers where my distances are very inconsistent and I'm wondering if I made a mistake by buying the HMBs

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi M B, this is an interesting topic as much has been said about how hollow head designs may have tenancies to have this happen. Have I seen this in testing...... Not necessarily and also never that with the help of Head Measuring Technology in the GCQuad that can't be explained due to delivery. Mostly this phenomenon is seen with the exceptionally hot faces of Game Improvement irons that are built to fire from all parts of the face. 👍

[@soupy01833]

what shaft are using in your tests

[@AskGolfNut]

I'm the recent reviews it's mainly been the KBS $ Taper 120g Stiff 👍

[@carlo6620]

10 handicap here playing apex pro 21 just switched to JPX 921 forged. Looking for more forgiveness and i would like to play these a long time. My game is improving and i would like to know if lower single digit handicappers would play these irons as I want to make sure they are a good longer term investment. cheers thanks so much

[@M82RKY]

I just bought the 921 forged and playing off 7, to be honest I want to hit my driver to a position where I can hit the middle of the gree with my iron, just a straight shot which is mainly down to the shaft but I digress.......shot shape doesn't bother me, I just want forgiveness and a consistent straight ball flight which these will do, by doing that I will get down to a low single figure number. In short, these are a great option for me off 7.

[@jojosaute]

Hi Carlo. Im a 8 hdcp who can shoot in the lower 70's everyonce in a while. I gamed the 850 forged for a while but missed my more players style adams cavity back. I switched to the mp18 sc and they were tough if not having your beat day. I am now looking at the jpx line again. I think either way you would be ok.

[@a__special_k4482]

I know which set I prefer 🤫

[@AskGolfNut]

No biased in the slightest I guess 😊 😊

[@lorimeyers3839]

Mizuno failed to inform the consumer about the 921 forged not having the Chromoly tech in the 8-9 irons until after the irons were launched. I spent months reading literature on these irons and even asked club fitters I know about the makeup of the 921 forged, and they all told me the whole set was Chromoly. I pre ordered these irons, and on the day I got them I almost shit, as I was livid to see the 8-9 irons being made of 1025E while the 4-7 irons were Chromoly. Had I known that, and given the price I paid for the tech only being in three of the clubs, I never would’ve bought them. I reached out to Mizuno and got a reply from Chris Voshall within a few minutes and he flat out admitted that Mizuno was not forthcoming with the consumer. I was friggen pissed. Very, very shady work by Mizuno. Left us in the dark.

[@samirgrayson32]

Fantastic 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️

[@kylerangelo7063]

Very nice 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️