Asking TI12 Attendees: Who is the G.O.A.T of Dota 2? 🏆🏆

We're coming to you straight from Seattle, WA to bring you fresh content from TI12 The International 2023. Being in the homeground of The International - we managed to catch up with some attendees and familiar faces in the Dota 2 scene to ask them the age old question : Who is the GOAT of Dota 2?
Hosted by: Steven Cropley aka HeartBreaker (@S_Cropley)
#ti12 #theinternational2023

[@Pavelsome]

Puppey, Dendi, Miracle (arguably), Notail - GOATs peak Miracle, Ana, Jerax, RTZ (arguably), Topson, Ame, Somnus, Yatoro, Mira, Collapse - the BEST players in the terms of performance

[@wht9964]

agreed!

[@TheSLashera]

Yep. Looks about right. Plus minus a few other honorable mentions. Its important to make distinction between GOAT and BEST player. PS: Actually thinking about It Miracle deserves GOAT tier next to the others. Cause he is one of the players who has inspired a lot of people old and young. Including big part of the current generation of talent. He had very big impact on the game outside of just being the best player at the time.

[@invokerz]

whwre mah boy rtz the man dont need bkb

[@Xinvoker]

Ame?

[@TheSLashera]

​@@Xinvoker All of that LGD team deserve to be here tbf. They didn't win it all, but regardless. All of their players were insane.

[@aljongreat1900]

Highest peak is miracle Longevity is puppey Achievement is notail

[@iktrn794]

this one is hard to disagree with

[@undo7711]

you gotta include Ceb with notail in that category

[@xtheexendx]

@@undo7711 would love to but they are mostly talking about players, since Ceb was the coach for most of their achievements. Still is a big piece in that wins.

[@bpi537]

Im sorry but now highest peak is yatoro

[@aljongreat1900]

@@xtheexendx im not sure about ceb bcoz notail is successful since his HoN fnatic days. Ceb only get recognize when he coaches OG

[@Hustla_]

no miracle? the god has been forgotten,but i remember you amer you are best dota player who ever touched the game

[@joelsvensson1240]

#true

[@sholikinmalaysia2903]

True

[@gnolihz]

For me he is still the GOAT

[@carlooo8971]

2rue

[@rumours1026]

too few interviews

[@har_bow]

Miracle- especially when he defended the critical hp throne with arc warden

[@hanhtun1106]

Who is he? Where is he now? Why your so-called goat player didn't involve in this or previous TIs?

[@ammarkaren]

@@hanhtun1106ask collapse the same question. He voted for miracle as GOAT

[@miguelpanganiban7617]

MIRACLE THE JESUS OF DOTA. A lot of people saying Yatoro, but I think you really can't mention Yatoro without Collapse. Their team really works well and for sure one of the greatest teams that ever lived. Hope they can take another belt.

[@IEJHGee]

Ti7 Miracle was something else, exchanging roles with Matu during their run made him scary and tough to beat

[@lmr6085]

TBH a very big reason why Miracle is GOAT is when you look at the way Pros talk about him, they aren't just saying that he is good. They talk about him like he's some DOTA Jesus.

[@skrattzerat5831]

Yeah but he is not the GOAT.

[@titanicsinclair1577]

hole smokes, UNIVERSE!!!

[@SomeCallMeStone]

The sheer willpower of him to not say, "Universe"! :p

[@darren5121]

Cant believe no one mentioned Miracle-, he was the very first player who was mechanically godlike that made my jaw dropped when he was in his prime. He was the best mechanical player to ever touch the game

[@lov.2.g]

😂 miracle ....gonna vomit

[@sonitgorla4125]

Skill wise definitely Miracle that is undisputed. But overall Ceb or Puppey.

[@sonitgorla4125]

​@@lov.2.goh no did you lose your game in crusader bracket buddy ?

[@lov.2.g]

@@sonitgorla4125 nah miracle average....yataro is undisputed....he is the only guy everyone will agree is one....miracle is just a lucky 1 time ti winner who thinks he is good but for a moment...even his prime isnt as good as sumail ...not even close

[@lov.2.g]

@@sonitgorla4125 bro...did you lose your divine game today ?...know your place scrub

[@adamson233]

Miracle, Yatoro, and Puppey

[@midomidomid]

I am actually surprised only one guy chose Dendi. He was the reason I kept watching early TIs and I believe he brought and locked in a lot of gamers/audience to this game when it was the most important time for the game! The beginning!

[@thisisshite]

He was never the GOAT tbh. Dota back then used to be much much easier, and look at him now - super washed up compared to other midlaners. Imo the goat is someone that stayed up there all these years and it's someone like Puppey or Topson or Xiao8

[@kyler.4553]

Can be argued that Dendi really wasn't the "Greatest dota player", but that he was the FACE of Dota, like you said in the early days. Still is one of the most iconic players as I remember following him and Na'vi when Puppey was there

[@cnaizhen]

@@kyler.4553 Fully agree. He's a GOAT in terms of popularity, but definitely not in dota skills department.

[@savagemodeii7931]

​@@thisisshiteyeah its like youre saying LeBron is the GOAT, not Jordan.

[@manbok2035]

@@savagemodeii7931 Dendi is like Jimmy Butler, Notail is Michael Jordan, Yatoro is Steph Curry.

[@mercadorodriguezgerson3549]

Tough question: Accomplishments wise: Ceb and puppey are unpaired Skill alone: Miracle-, Suma1L, Jerax, Ana, Yapzor, Zai, and Collapse is making his place in my ranking for sure (i need to see greater hero pool though) Special place in my heart: Dendi, Notail, Kuroky, AdmiralBulldog Players that didn't get the chance to shine because of terrible team: Nikobaby, Ramzess666, Crystalys, SoNNeikO, RodjeR, Nisha. If i had to pick only one it would come down to Miracle-

[@xtheexendx]

No chinese players? theres a ton of great not only chinese but asian players.

[@mightyhoee9421]

@@xtheexendxwell i got nothing to say 🤫

[@mercadorodriguezgerson3549]

@@xtheexendx youre absolutely right, i left asian players out, because i never followed their league, so i dont dare to rank them, tough ive always admired, icex3, LaNm, Burning and Fy, im pretty sure im leaving a ton of them behind.

[@akitski021]

i know alot of people in internet will vote for miracle- cause he is glorified so much sadly like dendi any mechanical players get wash and miracle is one of them. I mean RTZ and Sumail already expose Miracle before about his skills thats why Sumail destroyed Miracle in 1v1. While Sumail is great he didnt get alot of achievements but got TI anyway

[@jaa8562]

@@akitski021 most pro's already answered miracle was the best player who ever lived when he was on his prime. ranking rtz above miracle cuz he lost a 1v1 lmao. you're clown if you think this guys take 1vs1 seriously. decision making, item, build, efficiency, consistensy etc. matters more. in your dumb logic paparazzi is the best player who ever lived since hes the best at 1v1. when we all know like rtz he chokes when it matters.

[@oskforalltid]

I have to add in Zai here. He has qualified for and placed high in many big tournaments even as a kid. He also started as a support and is now one of the best off-laners in the game.

[@jdoe3006]

Definitely Notail and Puppey, considering that they've been around for too long already. They are not just captains but are leaders.

[@yaqin6701]

Miracle. Easily. TI and Major Winner + Dominate the Pub scene in his prime. 9K MMR was the hardest era in dota; before neutral items, solely 6 slots, match making system was horrible. No one has dominated the pro and pub scene like Miracle. Name another one, I dare you.

[@carlochoi9376]

YOUR MOM

[@addenanda]

the wonderkid sumail back at Ti6

[@TheSLashera]

It was easier to solo carry in that era though. By a large margin. The game got much more team oriented since then and that's why Miracle fell off. He couldn't solo carry as effectively.

[@comehome4226]

@@carlochoi9376god damn HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@RabiRabii-fp1ft]

We have Yatoro now Ti and Major winner, Dominate scene in the pub and official scene. Winning so much achievement in dota 2 in early 20

[@animespectra3791]

Miracle - there is no debate here.

[@skyfall3282]

I mean at this point miracle is inspiring, even yatoro could learn from miracle, he created the one man show meta as a carry player, impossible moves, mechanics, and a lots. He is the playmaker

[@gegedota5281]

the fact that people in this comment section addressed miracle, imagine if they asked us probably they will know statistically.

[@Celina-uw5ei]

Yaphets, best shadow fiend and storm player, nostalgic

[@sholikinmalaysia2903]

Maybe burn1ng it best AM player

[@Felix-qu7be]

crazy no one mention miracle in the video, he is absolutely in different level than others

[@manbok2035]

Notail for his achievments, Dendi for his game changing Pudge plays and humour.

[@billysantoso4635]

Miracle- always do something 🎉

[@nikoanzai4939]

Glad to see people acknowledging JerAx.

[@shadowfiend6743]

Miracle no doubt

[@lycanz3tearz628]

Prime miracle was a force of nature.. Give the man his flowers..

[@aidenrawlins8709]

2:55 thank you someone puts the first star of the game

[@okieokie7236]

That last guy. Agree. Yes we are old age wise but we still young :D

[@arjunsasangan9342]

lots of good picks but i think its too hard to choose just 1

[@LockheartTifa]

Dendi shown us even at the highest level competition game is supposed to be fun the result is the iconic fountain hook

[@haziq12ish]

Nice that jerwx getting the recognition

[@whatchasayin9363]

Glad Ceb is acknowledged. There are many good players but it's hard to find someone who leads a team with such mental toughness and uplifting spirit. Ceb, IMO, is the glue that binds OG together.

[@xxslysinxx]

7ckngMad for me. He is the best!

[@Gdg195]

No

[@Celina-uw5ei]

Its not about getting 5 beast on same team, its make thrn work like 1

[@nosrejadorable]

He’s my GOAT!

[@georgeallison6528]

The thing is Ceb basically flopped the first 6 years of his career. He has been around since like TI2 or something, but only became relevant in TI8 (excluding coaching)

[@gnolihz]

There are so many insanely good players out there. But the only player blew my mind is miracle-

[@ricecake1814]

rn its a tie beetween yatoro n collapse definitely. so dominant

[@esparda07]

2/3 coming from OG...what a bunch of chads.

[@steamacc4872]

those new guys Yatoro and Collapse will be goats, they just need to win more tournaments... they are on different level

[@justinng204]

Miracle for sure

[@4ksburning162]

We had Dendi - pudge Miracle - invoker Sumail - storm spirit Ana - specter and io And now we have collapse magnus

[@gmyt8534]

Miracle top 3. What a sensational player

[@KnightsRadiant3]

damn.. good to see Universe.

[@pingukutepro]

One already there: Universe

[@realg9513]

Forgot the god miracle in his prime untouchable

[@kelvinong1908]

Quite surprised no one mentioned ame

[@FahrurElhaq]

miracle-

[@siryami9533]

Accomplishments is for the best team. Skillwise is for the best player. It's Miracle-.

[@LiTtLeShOot]

I cnt belive people forgot about Mushi and ICEICEICE my boi😂

[@sicknature2270]

from the track record , ill pick Notail. betrayed by his close friend, but he never give up.

[@Dlxxx159]

0:44 Topson self voting

[@Emelyooo]

JackW making a good case for Notail.

[@meguorio6123]

Ana gave the best Ti moments. His IO play alone can set him as the GOAT of hard carry.

[@user-qy4dh5py2c]

burning

[@pharktangsaevepan7820]

Miracle-

[@lalmuansangakhawlhring677]

There is a huge difference between favourite player and most skilled player

[@bobicramza4158]

Dendi iconic player that every player use pudge will called "oh my god dendi pudge ? "

[@Kezha_Ahzek]

Lol the guy who said topson actually looks like him 😂

[@raasco1]

Head says Puppey, heart says Fear.

[@Shimbywastaken]

You ask pro dota players it's miracle

[@konosuba350]

Miracle

[@Al-FaisalX]

Sumail, Miracle, Puppey and Ceb

[@johnygimo]

the one and only gothmog

[@josephlazona171]

A guy mentioned EE wtf. People are like What are you smoking bro?

[@sonitgorla4125]

I think with this Ti win , Yatoro can be called as a GOAT for sure , in terms of both peak skill and achievements , but more so for peak skill of course.

[@luthazk]

Gotta give credit to fy and Dendi as well, right. These guys are two of the best players in the game imo.

[@doniherald7745]

Ana for sure, the best TI part timer, his io is iconic

[@user-ef4fq8xm3g]

It's hard to choose who the GOAT is, but the BEST to ever play, it's gotta be Miracle-.

[@rahimske]

Not a single Miracle vote?? What on earth

[@kormankongther8609]

Miracle - God Of Dota

[@gramratonel6565]

YatoroGoat with 2 Ti's at the age of 20. Still has a lot of time to grow as well

[@melancholicagony32456]

Topson did that when he was 20 too dumbass

[@happybust5d]

Youngest to do it would still be Ana. He won his 2nd TI when he was 19.

[@UraStr]

Sheever in the tall people alliance

[@doja5321]

Depends on what you look for as the GOAT. Puppey - Longevity (He's still the GOAT, he lead his team in All 11 TIS, played in 4 Grand Finals, last player to attend all TIS and has 5 Majors under his belt.) N0tail - Achievement 2 Time Back to Back Champs, Won 4 Majors as a Core player then transitioned back to Support to win Back-to-back TIs which takes a lot of adjustments considering you got ditched a month before TI) I can't put him above Puppey cause TI is not the only tournament to be held and after TI7, TI8 and TI9, OG was never a contender again in the season. It's like they are meant to win TI. Puppey excelled every season and TI. Miracle- - Peak The Polish-Jesus godsent player to ever touch the game. His first 4 years was insane and unmatched, the reason he's in the conversation is because he played both Pos 1 & 2 at the highest level, noone ever did that. Won 2 Majors playing in OG, joined Liquid and demolished every tournament (especially Dreamleagues) pre-TI7, destroyed every one in TI7, won China SuperMajor 2018, Top 4 2018, Top 2 2019 all in his 4 years.

[@optimushxsjsb2585]

miracle

[@ryanbarrows9081]

love to still hear people say dendi lol

[@kraklovich]

As i was watching this i was thinking, "why hasnt anyone said Miracle yet?". Then i read the comments. Theres a reason his name is Miracle

[@jasonazevedo2881]

Collapse easily gonna be In the GOAT conversation by the end of his career

[@Grovreicraynth]

Kuroky has made it to many TI grand finals too. I think he's a contender for the GOAT

[@shogrran]

Miracle is probably the best individually skilled player. With no supp or team just him.

[@SalvadorSTMZ]

Carry: Ana or Yatoro or Miracle Mid: Miracle Offlane: Collapse Support: Jerax

[@kgkg2865]

Have they ever heard of Miracle?

[@dusandusik2951]

0:33 ODpixel in lina costume wtf

[@re4gamez]

Jerax was really good pos4.

[@bansalashu1613]

Ceb, Puppey, Notail are all goats

[@nothingpersonal-tb1dx]

base on position. pos 1 - yatoro top 2 ana. coz ana is not active anymore. it is nice to see the battle of ana vs yatoro. pos 2 - miracle top 2 topson. pos 3 - collapse top 2 MC pos 4 - Jerax top 2 FY. even tho FY didnt win a TI. we know how much impact FY did to his team. pos 5 - BigDaddy top 2 Miposhka tie with kuroky. yeah you can say kuro is a trash player now in nigma but he take his team to be a TI champ. confusing every team on drafting phase in TI7. BEST COACH OF ALLTIME CEB top 2 heen tie with Silent. although CEB became a player. we can see in Ti8-9 how he handle his player. comforting and giving them confidence to give their best in game 4 in TI8. everyone ana and topson in TI8. so i put him as a BEST COACH OF ALLTIME. this is my own list.

[@MrSymanPT]

no puppey? damn

[@majdhassan1492]

The goat is one And his name is Miracle

[@hanzohasashi6094]

Sad to see that people forgot about m-god

[@savagemodeii7931]

Most of them are CASUALS 😂

[@Twinkle_Cutlass]

well can't argue that n0tail won TI being a support, won majors being the carry and mid. Well he can play all positions at a high level

[@JeanWayne]

No one mentioned Burning, rotk or Mushi :O Guys, wtf?!

[@Just_Smile7]

Seriously Sad Miracle is forgotten😢

[@javidjamal3952]

Miracle man he is the best

[@leonstraust]

Prime Miracle- is the best because he can carry Kuroky.

[@esquireedilbertiimarcelino2199]

Yatoro Miracle- Ceb Notail Ame

[@SuperionID]

For me it's Miracle! Obviously. boy was a beast at his prime. Everest level, probably the highest level player could achieve. Miracle show, SF, Epic Throne defense, 1 sec Rosh, and many more.

[@borkstv601]

Dendi makes Dota FUN to watch

[@papercranexz1235]

Itll always be dendi in my heart ❤

[@jasontyson3658]

Honorable Mention to Burning, early DOTA2 people feared Burning playing carry like crazy

[@PastaLaFeasta]

who is the windranger cosplayer

[@chrisc5991]

I'm an OG fan but I gotta say they clearly underestimate Miracle making miracles.

[@lebronjames-oo8gg]

If we are making a movie right now about a player playing dota no one can match the story of BIG DADDY NOTAIL he play almost every role lol

[@zaihanm]

Miracle- because he one of player with full creativity in Pro Scene. i miss the old day Mushi actually.

[@jakesalvador4631]

JeraX made OG 2X TI champion. So he the GOAT

[@gorpfriday292]

In Longevity in the game, it has to be Puppey. Solo Mid/Carry player: Miracle, SumaiL, Burning Influential player: Dendi, N0tail, Arteezy, Ana

[@tonylabrusca6602]

Recency bias is a bitch. Miracle is untouchable in terms of skill and polarizing skill