Asmongold Reacts to "Dark Souls Story ► The Legend of Artorias the Abysswalker" by VaatiVidya

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[@VaatiVidya]

This vaati guy really nailed it, I personally am seriously considering subscribing to his channel

[@SlizenDize]

But we are all already subscribed...

[@kalistowns]

I wish i could suck my own dick. Kappa

[@ZenCloud180]

Bless this. Happy Holidays Vaati.

[@Scribby87]

HI VAATI! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[@joaom3234]

Yeah he's pretty cool

[@MrRogerITA]

"It's just lore" Oh boy, it begins.

[@danieldebod2663]

Once it grabs you it doesn't let go

[@Apex-mh6lf]

Vaati is the most treasured man in the dark souls community, our lil lore angel

[@kylejimenez367]

our lil lore angel with a very very good voice.

[@Mernom]

Wait, the same Vaati that Lenny bad mouths?

[@OverPinky]

Marik Zilberman the son of Vaati's mum indeed

[@ChaosRagorA]

RIP Marcus 'EpicNameBro' 😑 so easily forgotten like the furtive pygmy

[@stefanmds4684]

It all started with Marcus aka EpicNameBro. But Vaati's content is great! He makes the best lore videos for the SoulsBorne Franchise.

[@piedrerol6877]

Chat: LOL THAT SUCKS! Asmon: No, that's actually pretty cool Chat: TRUE

[@amorianduranin7627]

That shit cracks me up man

[@cattolord33]

Literal NPCs

[@thepeasant269]

piedre rol Sheeps lol

[@4f52]

If you sent virtual Anthrax and actually killed half of them no one would miss them

[@hollowing8491]

That's cause Twitch Chat is full of braindead retards. Nuff said.

[@BGDNGSN]

Death: ..it's time to go Sif: Was I a good boy? Death: no Death: I'm told you were the best.

[@luis4390]

This man... this is just it

[@Mernom]

Girl* apparently

[@jthymesthree602]

@jjP a Actually, yes. Sif was a goddess mentioned often in Norse mythology. Sif is a girl.

[@youngcracker9517]

@@Mernom your mom is a girl

[@pepebabushki9376]

@@youngcracker9517 epic roast.

[@XDarkAllNightX]

So long ago and I still tear up a bit when i think about Artorias and Sif's story.

[@Hersatz]

Fucking Sif, man. Gets me every god damn time.

[@anghbalahr2971]

True

[@Insanefishinguy]

I can't help but cry because the game's mean't alot to me over the years, and this just brings it all back.

[@iruga7379]

Sif: BEST DOGO !!

[@kekistanihussar1160]

Imagine crying over a video game.

[@Jamplays592]

When you realize that Sif's reason for defending Artorias' ring was because of how Artorias ended up. She didn't want that to happen to anyone else. That's the most sad thing about the entire game.

[@allhandsondik7803]

It's even sadder when you realize Ciaran was there too, why do you think you pick up the Hornet ring behind his grave.

[@ronan5427]

@@allhandsondik7803 I killed Ciaran so I dont have to give artorius soul and get her weapons... YOINKERS DUDE

[@thelvadam5834]

@@ronan5427 respect...but also that’s kinda fucked

[@zeallust8542]

Very sad yes, but doesnt jerk my tears and much as Sieglindes lines.

[@anonisnoone6125]

@@allhandsondik7803 I guess she didn't feel an obligation like Sif did.

[@SquishyEggo]

RIP Sif he literally did nothing wrong. Edit: SHE was a very powerful and feminine wolf. I'm sorry.

[@Masterwar15]

I think he did, even if you saved him and he knew the Chosen Undead was a noble warrior he would still attack you for the ring you needed to finish his master's quest for no reason even though he probably knew you needed to and his master would want that too, and if you didn't save him he would attack you and he wouldn't let you escape from where you came from neither.

[@rundur4805]

@Masterwar15 Actually he really did nothing wrong. He keeps attacking you even if you trigger the rememberance cutscene because he doesn't want you to go the same path as Artorias. He's preparing you and testing your skills to see if you're truly capable of succeeding where Artorias didn't. He'd rather kill you than see you get consumed by Abyss the same way as Artorias was. On the other hand if you're strong enough to beat him, Sif will finally be back with his master and will be proven that the chosen Undead will be able to move on.

[@Masterwar15]

And since when can the Chosen Undead read minds? Sif was nothing compared to Artorias, and since saving him means you already surpassed an empowered up version of his master (yes, corrupted Artorias is stronger than the original, the Abyss boosts everyone just like the rest of the citizens of Oolacile became powerful monsters, though mindless, Artorias becomes way stronger the longer he fights), plus he also helps you with Manus, who you defeated alongside him, you have nothing to prove to him. He knows you are the real ''Abyss Walker'', in the end in any case he just wants you to just end his life. @@rundur4805​

[@LordFakeGodz]

@@Masterwar15 Sif does want the chosen undead to take the same path as his former master. Sif much rather kill you, than to see you consumed by the abyss just like his former master. And you the player needed that ring, to finish what Artorias couldn't. Sif tries to stop you, but you don't or rather CAN'T stop. you NEED that ring. There's no other way to traverse the abyss without that ring. Sif does not want you to go to the Abyss, Sif does not want you to have the same fate as Artorias. You could say Sif was consumed by his own fear. His fear, clouded his judgement, deep down he know that the chosen Undead can do what Artorias couldn't. But Sif is just too scared, he does not want to see us consumed by the Abyss. But maybe deep down Sif also want you, the chosen undead, to end his life so he can meet his master. Maybe Sif wanted to die, and killed by you is the greatest honor. Not just that, he can be relieved that you're the one that defeated him, he know the ring is in the good hand. He can pass on peacefully knowing that the chosen undead will finish what his former master couldn't.

[@severalpunchman2698]

@@Masterwar15 I mean, you can't die... What's so bad about her killing you when you just come back? On the other hand, if you're consumed by the abyss, that's it, you're done. So actually, in this situation, Sif killing you is the better option from her perspective.

[@kingofthequarry1132]

PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS TO THE BEST PUPPER IN DARK SOULS!

[@johnmang2659]

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[@javierc.5837]

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[@heraldodeluna2858]

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[@blumylk1389]

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[@michaelleymaster9279]

F

[@Coolztheplayer1337]

Damn the chat's opinions can change in a snap of a finger

[@noxflo897]

The chat is so cancerous, it can give a cockroach a tumor

[@mobilegamingfx4354]

@@__asher__ no but pretty sure u do

[@derdox6720]

its almost like the chat consists of severel different people with differing opinions, its crazy!

[@JayTraversJT]

Bunch of sheep, they’ll change at the “snap of a finger” in order to appease their gods.

[@appleseed4672]

they're a hivemind, and scared of forming their own opinions

[@cs82271]

Love how the two runners and Vaati showed up to the stream 😂

[@UlfMTG]

did he actually say anything in chat or just lurked?

[@cs82271]

@@UlfMTG they all said something. Vaati and the second runner chatted with the chat

[@UlfMTG]

@@cs82271 do you know the timestamp for the video when they did that?

[@cs82271]

@@UlfMTG i spent forever looking for it, the first comment is around the last 5 minutes of the first run and the second is about half way through the second

[@cs82271]

@@Anvarynn speed runners

[@playermaxx1]

"You killed the dog". Asmon: "Yeah, I had to get the loot".

[@rundur4805]

This is why i love Dark Souls. Not only are you learning the combat mechanics and getting better and better at the game, you're also discovering the amazing and well-thought lore that the developers created. It's crazy to watch this like 2 years later and remember what an amazing experience this whole game franchise has been.

[@mrlakiro5526]

It really feels like you were a part of the story, with parts such the ladies realisation of The Player saving her instead of Artorias. We have no real name, and yet it feels as if were remembered in Dark Souls legend.

[@Tom3kkk]

>well thought out lore >Dark souls lore pick one dude, in DS3 they forgot about a character that was created before and just made references to her because they themselves had no idea what the story was at that point

[@rundur4805]

@@Tom3kkk I honestly don't understand what you mean by that. The lore is great. Also which character did they forget about that should be in the game?

[@Tom3kkk]

@@rundur4805 there is some bitch in lotrhic's castle thats supposedly died in that cage you go down through at one point or some shit like that, I dont remember right now because who remembers trash souls lore in 2018 OMEGALUL

[@Jontefakkoff]

@@Tom3kkk Don't be so edgy dude. You're scaring everyone away.

[@Nhyufll]

Japan made one of the best rpgs by creating their take on a western rpg

[@Thalanox]

Dark Souls is a Berserk fan game. Go look up the similarities and references.

[@derdox6720]

@@Thalanox its not a berserk fangame just because it has references and influences from it. go look up all the other references and similarities to other stuff, like tolkin , george r r martin and lovecraft

[@xDantey]

@@Thalanox And Berserk has references to many things lol. Your point? Does that make Berserk a generic demon-hunting cursed protagonist bullcrap that's been done in the past? Don't think so. It's a great series regardless of its influence.

[@Thalanox]

@@xDantey It started off as one, way, way back. The references are mostly to things like famous paintings of surreal horror. That's not the same kind of story inspiration reference as you might find between Souls and Berserk.

[@johndesper9425]

Stop calling Dark Souls an RPG. It's not an RPG. It's an action Metroidvania. You have almost no meaningful choices to make the entire game.

[@Ch4oTiK]

Still pretty crazy how well DS1 does time travel here, with the way you do things allowing you to meet Sif before fighting him and how that changes the way the opening plays before the fight (heartbreaking stuff since he recognizes your smell, and yet realizes not only did he lose his first savior Artorias, but now must either kill or be killed by his second savior from the past) and how Dusk realizes who your character is by the balance in his aura being the same as her savior from the past, since it was in fact you who killed Manus in the past, and so on. Even the damn Cat knows you, knows that Artorias' legend is a lie - all of these things foreshadowed but still not revealed until someone puts the pieces together. It was the DS1 Chosen Undead that is the true legend of Artorias (imagine how pissed Gwyn would be to know that), and the true inspiration of the Abyss Walkers that must be defeated by the Ashen One in DS3. Love this shit.

[@philliphelmut1077]

Have to say, I hate time travel in movies ald shows, nowadays it has to be *everywhere*, but ds1 handles it sooopp good

[@WhatIsAnjme]

I can understand why chat wanted him to stop because it spoiled quite a few things to come but it’s not like he will remember these things by the time he’s there

[@DrnMontemayor]

It's not like anything he saw will affect gameplay in the slightest. Before playing Soulsborne, I had already watched Speedruns, and they didn't help at all.

[@Diegoshadow85]

@@DrnMontemayor yea but you aren't only person on earth. Some people consider spoilers by showing weapons, armor and enemies etc. too

[@AlwaysRetr0]

@@DrnMontemayor Well the thing that sucks more is that he's already seen some gameplay of some of the bosses in Dark Souls 3. Don't you think one of the best things about the series is not knowing what the bosses will be like? I know there wasn't much of it, but it still wont be a completely unique experience when he sees Midir, Gundyr, the Abyss Watchers, etc.

[@DrnMontemayor]

@@AlwaysRetr0 Not to me. I care more about how will I get there than the boss themselves. I like playing against the boss and learning them. Their designs and lore come as another layer.

[@nichtlesbar9813]

The game is about 8 years old. If someone still complains about spoilers they are kinda too late

[@cactophone4552]

Sif was the goodest boy. Don't your even dare try @ me

[@JamesW609]

@ me

[@calliberjoe]

its true though

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Except it is a girl.

[@HullsColby]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx Shit, does that mean he just assumed Sif's gender?

[@WackRusDud]

@@HullsColby we are not snowflakes that believe there is infinite amount of genders, so it doesn't matter.

[@shawnbell6885]

I cant be the only person who goes by the rule of beating the dlc before fighting Sif

[@popeplayz2887]

so sad

[@THExRISER]

Nope,I did it as well,saving Sif and getting that alternate cutscene adds a lot of character to him/her and makes it more than just a regular boss fight,I guess we're both equally masochistic.

[@Luki-1331]

Sadly, if you want to go by the kaathe path, you can't save sif before it

[@THExRISER]

@@Luki-1331 You can still let the flame die without meeting Kaathe, I mean after all that's what he wants right? EDIT: Wait, you can completely ignore Frampt until you save Sif and and fight the four kings, then Kaathe will show up right?

[@Luki-1331]

@@THExRISER to save sif, you need to get the lordvessel and unlock the path to duke's archives to get the pendant, and to follow kaathe's path, you need to defeat sif to get the ring and defeat the four kings. (And by kaathe's path, i mean making things with him leading you, not just taking the dark lord ending)

[@bumpcus7227]

Asmon: 'sees boss be beat' Also Asmon: HEY THAT'S THE BOSS THAT I BEAT

[@minimanto100]

It's been years, and I've seen the alternative cut scene for sifs fight hundreds of times, and to this day a single tear still rolls down my cheek. RIP Sif you were a good boy. \[T]/

[@saltin9525]

chat: watch this video asmon: watches the video chat: dont watch the video!!

[@dmaxwell3334]

100% I cried the first time watching the newer video and I'm so happy to see a creator, not vatti, seem so interested in the actual lore of these games!!

[@turtleguru924]

i almost gave up playing dark souls when i noticed sif recognize your character ...i still tear up when i see that cinematic

[@Krayzle956]

Didn't expect to tear up god damn, the lore is actually pretty great i just wish it was conveyed a little more in game.

[@xenonecromera]

That's the best part about it, honestly. All of the information is in the game, but it's told in a way that makes you feel more like a historian traveling through a ruined world where all of the interesting stuff has already happened. It's up to you (And the rest of the community) to piece together information from item/armour descriptions and visuals in the environment to collectively come up with what the canon lore is. The developers never confirm or deny anything. I think it makes the story feel so much more interesting.

[@TheOnlyGhxst]

That's what makes it so beautiful and interesting though. This isn't a tale of legends told throughout the ages, it's a forgotten story, lost to time. A story of hollows who have all forgotten, even yourself. If the game told the story more overtly, then it wouldn't be the same story, and it wouldn't have the same impact. The subtlety of the story, and the hidden facets of it are what makes it so interesting.

[@Laerei]

Well, all of it is conveyed in the game, it's just in the cryptic words of other characters, item descriptions and visuals of the locations. Vaaty is just really good at pieceing it together.

[@DDLYAIM]

Its like real history. We have a small bit of info that we piece together. You cant truly tell what is fact or fiction, because we dont truly know for sure. This is why I have invested thousands of hours and I'm so hyped to see asmond getting into the community. I just hope he can expand and resurrect the older games. He's the light to our dark.

[@laxking251]

Yeah the presentation of the story sucks, a big downside of their games including bloodborne lmao they could have had characters explain this stuff through the story or some nice exposition through a central narrator. They fucked up because they could still have all the extra cryptic lore that is found by those who look for it but also doesn't hurt the story.

[@StinkyBlack1]

you know why i like watching your reactions, none of my friends play dark souls, so i dont have anyone to watch these videos or discuss them with. your little interjections and shocked reactions make it feel like sharing it with a friend :)

[@androski5247]

I swear Vaati's videos make me cry harder than the ending of rdr2.

[@scott_chocolate]

lol so defensive at the end. "What was I supposed to do? I was just exploring then the dog tried to bite me with a sword. Of course I'm gonna have to beat his ass." I know the feeling, man. When I first realized Sif's place in the story was when I saw the original Artorias Prepare to Cry by Vaati 6 years back. . . I didn't want to believe that I killed him either. Fuckin' Sif, man.

[@gin9410]

Artorias is and always will be my favorite character in gaming

[@ivyspot]

LMAO " I had to get the loot "

[@shagghetti8786]

SIF best character in a video game confirmed

[@midnightskies7088]

Even after all the time i still cry

[@ericschuster2680]

Chat is cancer as always...

[@Mitsuru-Miki]

The chat was pure Cancer from Radiation found in Chernobyl.

[@echoosui8989]

All of you... forgive me.... for I availed nothing!! O.O"

[@fluffzimouse4988]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1196">19:56</a> I lost it... that response was perfect!

[@vaffanculo5085]

"Why do they want you to stop?!" "Why does chat want me to stop!?" Meanwhile chat is spamming the word spoiler at the speed of sound.

[@makaramuss]

at the ending even troll like him was emotional :D

[@BongSwansong]

Sif breaks my heart everytime. EVERYTIME!

[@TheDymed]

Protec doggo at all cost.

[@burns0100]

Dude I love his defend for continuing to watch rather then stop like his Twitch chat was spamming. I use to not take him serious when he did WoW but dudes growing on me. Probably going to sub if he continues down this road.

[@suhthedude6922]

And thats only one or two characters story. There are many more storys revolving around many other things. This game series it crazy.

[@iruga7379]

Myazaki created a fucking New universe...SO RICH that deserves a prize...unfortunately the game comunity today only knows PEW PEW...and shitty fortnite dances

[@The_HappyHollow]

Most ppl miss most of the lore in play. And are focused on the boss fights. Its not like this is ruining anything especially since u won't remember 90 percent of it anyway

[@RprtBak]

There should be a movie about art and sif. It would be amazing :'(

[@The_HappyHollow]

Honestly, i agree. Or a game in fact

[@iruga7379]

A movie would be amazing...but It has to be directed by myazaki himself

[@cloudson2832]

I got chills when artorias said "forgive me"

[@god_pharaoh6111]

vaatividya, lord of the lore soul

[@ReMi-de1gv]

I think What he should watch next was Matthew sezmen dork souls

[@MatthewTheUntitled]

Just finished watching prev vid

[@TripleTapHK]

I'm crying. Chat hold me.

[@Teuk49]

im not crying youre crying

[@notmetoofor150]

This wasn’t one of those times so your comment and the people who liked it are coming off as cringe.

[@Teuk49]

@@notmetoofor150 u both clearly dont know that the phrase is a meme you mongaloids

[@phoenixrising2609]

well, i started cutting onions towards the end (was making fried onion rings, actually)

[@notmetoofor150]

Wukqng We both do know since it’s a well known meme, as I said “this wasn’t one of those times”. You just made it unfunny as all memes should be amusing. Nice going Sherlock.

[@Teuk49]

@@notmetoofor150 ur an idiot

[@plinplinplonbutwhole6908]

One does not simply entering Sif's room without beating the DLC first and summoning her for Manus

[@TheBloopers30]

WAAAAH BOILERS!!!! WAAAH

[@Floaydi]

The eargasm is real.

[@brian8536]

The feels 😥

[@JackOfAllTradersOriginal]

after i first heard the story of artorias and sif i instantly knew i had to continue his legacy in ds3 and beat the entire game with just his armor,sword,and shield

[@dark-side-ninja8598]

Vaati is the guy to tell you lore his voice is to good

[@thestutteringspartan5155]

Damn son the music made this whole thing

[@karaarcadia]

I’M NOT CRYING YOU ARE! Seriously though, The prepare to cry series used to just be good lore videos. Now it’s good and it starts the water works. I never thought I’d get so attached to a game’s NPCs and bosses.

[@cozmo4913]

The part were Artorias says something always gets me

[@TheTroupeMasterGrimm]

…that could be stabbed deep into a dragon’s hide. Asmon: *or my characters back*

[@whitelinez378]

"All of you... Forgive me, for I have availed you nothing" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@jonbarrett8002]

Asmongold kept calling Sif, a dog, when he is clearly a wolf.. huge noticeable and clear difference FeelsLifeMan

[@kukifitte7357]

@St mD that's just wrong

[@Dexter_Wilson]

Asmongold is going to end up being a dark souls streamer

[@daaaanteeeee5389]

"This is a good video" Me : yea, you're damn right.

[@zidab1258]

Next Dark Souls now!!

[@rav3npass]

I shed manly tears.

[@bringoawfuttery2525]

Take my shield puppy Sif

[@thepeasant269]

It's raining...

[@thepeasant269]

Diegoshadow k

[@AlwaysRetr0]

@@Diegoshadow85 What is wrong with your brain?

[@benatchison8962]

How come my eyes raining

[@sxar_0660]

Diegoshadow bro fuck off

[@lotariovergamota6984]

what a shame

[@googoo1411]

Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that Artorias' last act was to save Sif?

[@ceruleandusk]

Sif was one the the most PepeHands moments in gaming

[@sushiamg5767]

Pygmies in dark souls are basically a subrace of humans and are closely linked.

[@Killa1442]

Sif was a good boy ='(

[@sxar_0660]

Killa1442 sif is a girl

[@autumngrace7742]

The amount of times chat spammed LOUDER xD smh

[@TorneFurHire]

I don’t think Bloodborne is a separate universe. Think about it, to see the unseen in Bloodborne you need insight, and in DS3 you fight (optional) Oceiros and he has a seemingly invisible child, Ocelotte. Though the unkindled can’t receive insight. I see DS3 as a Bloodborne prequel

[@jacobkijowski4084]

Fromsoftware needs to make a book series on dark souls

[@poglore5910]

Who's ready for World of DarkSouls

[@unlucky-777]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="596">9:56</a> OBI WAN LMAO WTF HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@-vaxityr-5946]

Chat: Watch the remastered version, it is way better! Asmongold: Alright, lets watch the new one Chat: Stop, this video has spoilers! pepega rofl

[@2Syndras1Cup]

I'm looking for a week now for the video where he actually killed Sif, the fuck?

[@Lyko5]

the music on that video plays clearer than the guy speaking, he sounds like he's half asleep the Abyss Watchers are a bunch of wanna be's killing Sif is sad but its also an act of kindness, so, its ok: the momment the wolf gets the sword, he's ready to die

[@NomineName]

Chat saying spoilers on a dark souls lore video, damn.

[@KryCis]

I'm not sure if there will ever be a new dark souls but they should try and maybe bring back sif I would love this I know it won't happen but like of you agree

[@owenfisher8694]

Can somebody pass the popcorn?

[@kukifitte7357]

I thought my phone speakers blew up

[@LiquidRayne]

The funniest part of this video <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1125">18:45</a>

[@Floaydi]

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[@volrath77]

The Dark Souls series have deep, rich lore but you have to look for them and there are enough uncertainties that you can pretty much speculate about the lore and you might be correct about it.

[@deepSilent0]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="524">8:44</a> The_Happy_Hob in chat!

[@meeranhaq9479]

"SPOILERS!" hurr durr, like the game tells you any story by itself or shows you an bosses, HE WON'T SEE NAMELESS KING UNTIL HE LITERALLY STARTS TO FIGHT HIM. so how the fuck is it spoilers, jesus. despite that, "the abyss is unstoppable" doesn't that basically mean, that there will never be peace in the Dark Souls Universe?

[@PirateMacDougall]

The fact there will never be peace in the Dark Souls universe is the basis of the entire story of the games. At the end of the day you never fix anything, you only maintain a status quo.

[@cattolord33]

Well that sorta was the whole point of the hollow ending in ds3 wasn't it? To bring in the age of darkness for good

[@PirateMacDougall]

Exactly

[@meeranhaq9479]

I really wish Miyazaki just releases a 30 second trailer with the Dark Sign set aflame and a #4 in the middle of it for April 1st lmfao would leave me actually crying on the floor cuz people would go crazy before realizing it's April 1st

[@bickflick]

meeran haq Yeah, the world of Dark Souls only comes in varying shades of “Shit’s Fucked”.

[@budingiesy0]

God I always hate it when some one talks during something they should be listening to

[@Bernkastel1983]

that chat is killing me.....

[@dougduggerthin1968]

Some people in chat are actual victims of brain rot

[@Pokenopoly]

lol this fucking chat. "SPOILERS!!!" "Oh its, lore.." TRUE! GO ON THEN!

[@ratman2490]

I cried when I first saw that video

[@zeriolinx5755]

The chat seriously need to chill

[@joaquinbarbosa3904]

I remember I almost cried in the end bit of this video, fuck man EDIT: Now I cried, fuck

[@wizardlyTKO]

This is spoiler related but if you have completed the Ashes of Ariandel DLC for DS3 and finished the painting you can pick up subtle hints that Bloodborne is created in the painting. . . Pure speculation though. On a broader note. YEs this video was really well done and all the information can be obtained mostly from the items in the game, however; some will need to be theorycrafted.

[@xtralimit]

cri evertim

[@Xsjr03]

Wait, is that a thing? I don't recall Sif sniffing you and howling before picking up the sword. Does that happen if you visit Oolacile first? I didn't know the Remastered version had the DLC's so i went through them quickly after finishing the game, i didn't spend time to explore much or talk to people. Damn that's some strong lore there. Although i still don't understand wtf is the abyss.

[@rdogg114]

Yeah it changes after you save Sif in Oolacile don't remember if you have to summon him for Manus too also the current theory on the abyss is that its a corrupted version of the dark after Gywn fucked up the order of the world.

[@Xsjr03]

@@rdogg114 I never saw a summon sign on Manus lel i just went in and killed him. Oh i see.

[@heliopyre]

@@rdogg114 the abyss is to the dark as chaos is to izalith. a corruption of it

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Manus is a pygmy not the furtive pygmy who found the dark soul at the dawn of the first flame. The furtive pygmy is either dead or sealed in filianore's egg with the other pygmy lords and the most of the the dark soul

[@heliopyre]

no, there's far more to suggest manus IS the furtive pygmy than not

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@heliopyrethat being?

[@heliopyre]

@@theonewhoismany8072 the descriptive language used when characters are talking about him, the connection with the abyss which echo's the corruption caused by the other lords, and Kaathe's involvement. there's nothing to suggest he's in filianore's egg. the pygmy lords aren't sealed in there either, at last not in the sense that I think you mean.

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@heliopyre I don't think he is the furtive pygmy because when his humanity went wild that should have corrupted all humans not only the ones in oolacile do to him being the ancestor of humanity

[@theonewhoismany8072]

@@heliopyre edit:and alsanna clearly said that '' my father was once human but succumbed to the dark''so there is much that suggests that manus was just a pygmy not the furtive pygmy

[@SeppukuAddict]

Fastest F in the west

[@Zeldakostv]

Also bloodborne could be the same universe, but highly uunlikely