Asmongold vs Fextralife View Botting Drama | Xeno Reacts

Twitch has a massive problem and it's hurting all streamers except for the select few who game the system. Xeno reacts to ‪@AsmonTV‬ talking about how Fextralife is view botting their Twitch stream and hurting other streamers and sponsors.
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[@SSJ4Bass]

All fextralife does it viewbot. There’s no way to associate with them and not know. Also, using your ring finger to flip someone off radiates “crust cut off” energy.

[@bxnaxmxxnaxx1914]

To much of a coward to go beyond petty fake insults that guy. Cant even risk their fake cardboard castle, so they use a finger that they wont ever know the meaning for

[@addyfalcon3656]

Did you even understood this video? Embedding is not viewbotting. It means that people, yes real people, who are using their web page to view guide for certain game will count as +1 viewer on the stream. The moment someone leaves the webpage there is -1 viewer for the stream. If you have a webpage, blog etc. you can add embedded version of twitch, youtube vid, twitter etc. It is an option distributed by those platforms. Its legal and commonly used. Its not fkin backdoor hacking tool that gonna do shit against your knowledge. And its so rediculous that devil himself Asmon will teach you about morals and how he cares about smaller content creators. That is a hypocricy on highest possible level. I will always look at this guy from the perspective of that first day of Lost Ark release. When everyone was waiting for servers to go up. When AGS was delaying that moment, people were hungry for knowledge how to play the game most efficiently. There was that one streamer that got half a millions viewers on his Lost Ark Twitch stream. You said to yourself this is the streamer to watch. He must be doing something awesome. It is the best place to gain knowledge about the game, right? And what was this streamer doing? He was rewatching content from smaller content creators. Sywos' and Kanons' youtube Lost Ark guides. People who dedicated a lot of time and effort to do those guides. And Asmon just searched for it on youtube. Or even worse, there are people who will send him links to most valuable content voluntarily. All he had to do is to add his - "Uh huh.", "Really?", "Oh wow! This is awesome." And people were throwing Twitch Subs left and right. Meanwhile I've seen Kanon streaming to like 300 people getting none of that. It is like fking people in the ass. People who create valuable content for the game just got mentally raped. Robbed. And the worse part is they will smile to the big fish in the pond, pretent it did not hurt and kiss his dick in the end. Having hope that they will join the social cirle. Gain a bit more recognition. Grow as a streamer by beeing connected to people who believe are bigger than the platform. Typical corpa scenario, doesn't matter how hard you work untill you kiss the ass of people higher in corpa ladder. Dude who will say that only idiots work hard. And then he will rip off of people who did the hard work. And now he plays a mother Theresa who cares about smaller streamers. WIll tell what is morally acceptable and who you should throw hate at. What is more, he will use all his social circle to join this war against different organization who is outside the area of his influence. Its a social media mafia. Who else is gonna pop off to tell how evil is Fextralife? Tectone, Moist dude? Who next? React Andys will jump on people who actually make game guides. And I did not even covered the big stuff. Fake people who abuse social psychology tricks from marketing area to manipulate their audience are playing scheriff of the platform. Tectone literally after trashtalking Fextralife on his life stream, said "This is the link to my new youtube vid." "10 sec, I wanna see 100 thumbs up or I quit the stream." Boom! +200 likes. "Play my vid in the background with lowered speed etc. etc." Is that fair advantage to smaller streamers/youtubers? And that fake acting. This hyper expressiveness. "Oh my God!" "Really?!" "Its unbelieveable!" I have never seen anyone to be as amazed as much about trivial things as Tectone and Asmon. Is it bad thing? Who cares? It works! Asmon saying for months that he will start playing Genshin some day. Hey lets keep Genshin fans lurking into my stream everyday. Is it bad? Who cares? It works. Tectone saying how he loves HSR. He played the game for 20 mins, 2 hours of non-related drama on youtube, reddit, twitter etc. Game was running in the background. "Ok guys I played this game long enough for today." Lets keep people believe I am a main HSR streamer to watch. Is it bad? Is it manipulative? Who cares? It works. I get it. You will use every known trick to be effective and if audiece likes it then its them to blame. But don't be a hypocrite. Stop treating your audience like they are idiots that only you can use. If Fextralife stream on Twitch sucks people will leave and never watch it again. If guides on their web page sucks, like mr.Moist said, people will decide on their own if they should leave or not. When you find valuable guide you will spend more time on a web page and act as +1 viewer on their Twitch stream for the time you use the page. Its a benefit that they gained from dedicating their time and effort to release guides for multiple games. On the opposite side we have people who just added few words to materials that was prepared by someone else. Hey you wanna do it? Ok. But don't act like you are better than people that benefit from their own effort. Don't manipulate people to destroy someones reputation. It is shady, its disguisting. You are acting like a social media mafia.

[@ralk7048]

@@addyfalcon3656I read the whole thing, and yeah, it's all for content and views, even when they accuse others of being unethical with their content. Streaming is such a ruthless zero sum world but I think everyone wants to pretend it's not and there's "good" streamers. There's one paper on the problem with our colourblind, post-racism society, where systemic issues exist but we sweep it all under the rug and pretend it's just a few people with personality disorders that are sick in the head committing prejudiced acts out of their own individual volition and no one else; when in reality social and environmental factors interact with the individual to create individual-level oppression that is hardly more than symptoms of the disease. That same wilful ignorance is everywhere, and I'm sure people will admit it when confronted, but ultimately people don't care enough about it to make a statement on it. They just want to feel like they're on the winning side and be told they're good and kind. That's the narrative people want and so that's what's sold.

[@sird31mos]

@@addyfalcon3656 bro is actually simping for the worst wiki ever purely because "it's legal"

[@Anima18911]

​@addyfalcon3656 I think you care about this way to much.

[@kessler4o573]

All this ends when advertisers find out about this and pressure twitch to change it, which is only a matter of time. Assuming they don't just leave for a while.

[@BoomyGoBoom]

Didn't Google do the same thing with advertisers recently and are potentially getting sued for it?

[@Akeche]

They won't do a damned thing.

[@neo_child]

Its the KZbin Adpocalypse all over again but for Streamers

[@BoomyGoBoom]

@@Akeche Well Once advertisers realize that Twitch is Making Money off of them Frauding them they will demand and sue for large portion of that money they paid back and twitch will Comply and Change or Eat the Multiple Millions they will eventually be forced to return. Even Google Bends the Knee to Advertisers so will Twitch.

[@TaurokUK]

Hopefully it won't effect legitimate content creators from getting sponsors.

[@Tyrbris]

The chatbot is Fextralife's most active participant. KEKL

[@xdairybastardx]

As someone who JUST started streaming it's really disheartening to see people view bot and have any kind of success. Not only competing with massive streamers, with 120000 people playing the same game in the same category with 0 viewers, now I have to compete with botters? Really unmotivating.

[@edwardwoods9258]

cool name tho

[@TrueChaoSclx]

@@SirCharlzTV This is a big tip, yeah. Twitch has ZERO discoverability. Unless you network with other streamers and basically get in on their slice of the pie, you're unlikely to get anywhere unless you're really really lucky.

[@HookahOtaku]

Guess you gonna have to get a real job then 😂

[@fandomkiller]

just do something else for work. average only fans girls only make minimum wage. better off flipping burgers

[@implodingllama2092]

@@SirCharlzTVas you say. The only way to grow is get a community from KZbin first then bring them over to twitch

[@magnieto1]

All they have to do to prove guys like Asmon and Xeems wrong is just do a single stream without an embed and show the viewer count, right? They know what they're doing, lol.

[@Localpref416]

This would not prove them wrong, Fextra knows how many of his viewers come from emdeding, and its like 90+% of them. Asmon is alleging that his is frauding advertisers, so Fextra would have to release the deals that he's made with sponsors. I don't really think that's fair to Fextra, but it could technically clear his name.

[@ZarathosDaimaoh]

There aint even enough active people in his real YT community to pull that stunt . At glances , the biggest likes and comment ratios he got were about the drama , and even that does not pass 10k

[@Localpref416]

@@MidnightPausch What sponsors did he get that he should not have gotten?

[@johnmcstabby2699]

@@Localpref416 all of them because they are false view counts that enabled him to get the sponsors

[@Localpref416]

@@johnmcstabby2699 oh so every sponsor he's gotten has come out and talked about how he scammed them? Can you point me towards a few messages or statements?

[@DevastatingWarrior]

Fextra have 163 different wikis btw, of which I imagine all of them have their stream embedded on them. (some of them are even for games that don't even exist, like Bloodborne 2 lmao)

[@RiskOfBaer]

Of course they do.

[@laxxboy20]

Defs embedded in the BG3 wiki (which is still MEGA lacking)

[@psyonicpanda]

Right, I was going to say this. I don't think they're viewbotting, they just embed the stream into their wikis. Would have the same result of having a dead chat. Though I will say, when I do see their stream embed, I do see the chat moving and people hanging out and typing most of the time.

[@skiing4everPS3]

And he bots reddit to downvote other wikis than his own, so much that Baldur's Gate 3 had to BAN his wiki due to voting manipulation. The dude is very aware of what he's doing.

[@alenezi989a3]

I mean their wikis are actually useful is it wrong to cross advertise their websites? I honestly don't think what they're doing is bad, it's on twitch to remove the view count from embedding. And if twitch doesn't care so who cares?

[@kassh]

im surprised this is only getting discovered, its not like fextralife hasnt been doing this for years now, afaik they just have their stream embedded on their site to all the wiki users

[@The_Judge300]

I 100% agree. This scumbag has been doing this for a very long time now. It is about time some of the big streamers talk about this.

[@QaDri93]

Lol yes and I always close that shit out

[@HookahOtaku]

His wiki is legit though, so many useful guides for CRPGs. Baldurs Gate 3, DOS 2, etc etc.

[@The_Judge300]

@@HookahOtaku Some of his wikis are legit. Many of his wikis are outdated, have very little content or being totally wrong about much of what is in them. Still he is embedding his streams in every single one of them. Firstly is the embedding done in a very hidden way for the people using his wikis. Secondly should he make sure that his wikis are totally correct, very useful for the full games and updated. If he is not able to do that, he should remove the wikis. But, of course he is not willing to do that. He would lose profit by doing that. So better to have tons of wikis where some are good, some are decent and a lot are trash, so he can be embedding his streams in all of them to generate a lot of "viewers" on his streams. And at least 95% of the people looking at his wikis are totally clueless about them being counted as a viewer on his streams.

[@rustyjones7908]

You know, I didn't even know about this until Fextralife started thrashing around shitting themselves about the accusations. Edit: I've seen chats with 200 people that moved faster.

[@rustyjones7908]

@@AzemSP I don't have any better arguments than Asmongold or Xeno here so I don't know what you're asking me for.

[@Doflaminguard]

​@@AzemSPits still the same because it counts those website visitors as twitch viewers.

[@khangho4167]

@@AzemSP 1) Is the person on their site even watching the stream? It's a small 400x500 box? No one is looking at an ad that big. 2) When I'm looking at guides for BG3, the stream in the "box" is for armoured core 6, does that count as a "legit" view?

[@cutecats532]

Dude I'm like 50% of my favorite streamer's chat sometimes and it's great. Not saying the chat is dead, it's very much alive, I just talk a lot. They're getting a bit over 100 views these days with raids and trying to get twitch partner. I think this might actually hurt people trying for partner too because it inflates the expectations of twitch so they might raise the standards and make it harder. People like real communities and real people, this even hurts the perception of streamers on twitch if people don't see genuine streams.

[@jimmyggs91]

To compare to a real life situation, it's like you own a store and count the people that's just passing throught the front on the streets as your customers. It's beyond ridiculous and yeah it's a fraud. I hope Twitch adresses this.

[@basic2892]

I don't think it's a good analogy. Because those people are still on fextralife website. Which is also part of that store. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I think you have every right to advertise your stream on your own website

[@christianandersson4345]

@@basic2892 Look up Fextralife and the Baldurs gate subreddit controversy and you will see why these people are subhumans. Hope they get a perma from twitch.

[@hexcedra9001]

"The goal is to have the people on the wiki click the link and hopefully join the stream and the community" So I see Fextralife has no issue if Twitch removes embed viewers from the count, after all that's not their goal :)

[@Kerran_Lionward]

That yoda death noise pretty much sums up people embedding/viewbotting.

[@cloudstrife1989]

This is the way to get all to know and Twitch to do something about it. They wont do anything till ppl make noise enough.

[@HookahOtaku]

Or sponsors find out and pull out of twitch completely :)

[@DirtCheapFU]

I remember streaming back in MoP when I was 1vX's and carrying people in 2s arena. Got viewbotted to like 15k. Then I got people posting in chat. I just ended the stream, then sat in the chat and chatted with people for an hour. Even when I was off, there was still like 10k on my channel.

[@vitruviuszhang5057]

Got caught, raged but not bold enough to use middle finger lmao

[@pm_me_ur_gluons]

Ah Fextra, the trash website that was only briefly useful in the Dark Souls 2 times. Inaccurate pages, tons of missing content, some pages had placeholders on them for over five years at this point, the biggest piece of content on any of their wikis are the utter cesspool circus comment sections, but gotta have a stream of a completely unrelated game embedded on every wiki.

[@babaspector]

I really like how both Asmongold and Xeno just get to the point and don't make up stupid shit all the time. This, in a time where people act like literal NPCs for money, is like finding a fresh pool of water in a desert.

[@lunanoct8901]

I use to watch them and I always found it weird how slow the chat was compared to the number of people, Hell I've seen streams with 50 ppl in it have more variation in the names popping up on the chatbox then I had there.

[@Moecinnako]

This needs more attention because of the abuse of algorithms!! Xeems and Asmon thank you for putting more attention to this!! We need more streamers to push this conversation so Twitch can see wtf is going on!!

[@rafacastillo9611]

Those well timed yoda deaths are killing me man

[@MyLoneTravel]

Found another bald man, completing the trifecta of bald men I agree with, asmon, tectone, and Xeno here.

[@looots1320]

13 Fextralife employees disliked this video.. show yourselves

[@TaigaGalette]

he actually defends the view botting its actually insane but the fault is on twitch they dont care

[@Blubbii88]

I didn't even realise for a while that a stream was running everytime I checked the elden ring wiki or left it open in the background. When I then saw them with 16k viewer as recommended, my first thought was when I noticed the embedded stream on their website. I checked once during Diablo4 but left shortly after because nothing happend either on stream or chat. Embedded streams should not count to the view count, I didn't agree to it and I have to stop the stream every time I open a new tab of their wiki. Advertising their twitch stream is one thing, just rightout taking my traffifc on their website to boost a dead channel on twitch is another.

[@Noryll1327]

I literally have like 4k channel points with them and I've never even watched their stream, all because I've used the wiki for Elden Ring, for Baldur's Gate, for Nioh 2, for Wo Long, etc. It's 100% fraud to those sponsors, and Twitch needs to fix it.

[@SafetyFooT]

Apparently, they released a statement and the advertisers are completely aware of the stream embedding. Whether you have an opinion on it either way is fine and initiating dialogue on issues that concern you is a healthy thing for any community. Calling it view bottling is a little more inflammatory than calling it what it is, embedding. A process that twitch is 100% OK with. And if it is fraud, it is completely sanctioned by the twitch platform.

[@NolChannel1]

Embedding would be fine. This is just underlying the embed code in a wiki page and adding people to the view count without actually showing the stream on the supposed embed site.

[@Varthug]

not sanctioned anymore xD

[@HappyWulf]

I've been streaming for years and I'm lucky if I get 2 people in chat. Forget about the people with 20 in chat, in my eyes those people have 'made it'. I can't even get off the ground and it's so disheartening it becomes difficult to keep up a consistent schedule, it feels like there's no reason to do a weekly thing. Announcing streams ahead of time feel like I've got my head up my own ass because no one comes anyways. I almost always co-stream with friends, so there's never dead air. I have a lot of great memories in my clips, that I have to save myself. Just, the seats are empty. And that's what sucks.

[@dragonmares59110]

Keep it up! Right now might not be the moment but I am sure your stream put a smile on someone face when they watch you and chat with you!

[@djlancer88]

damn he was so ashamed he insta logged

[@ohunt1]

Fextralife has 23336 users in chat when they are offline 🤣🤣🤣

[@NikanaTenno]

I never knew this until asmon called this out. Then I went to check on fextralife wiki and there was a live chat in there. I had been using this wiki a lot too because it showed up on front page and have no clue this is what it does..

[@happyhealsgaming7614]

I am VERY casual streamer, meaning I don't give a damn about viewer counts. Even at most? I had like, maybe 5 people viewing. But even I occasionally get 2 to 3 people talking to me and with each other as I stream games and that goes MUCH faster than what this Fextralife is pulling off, and it's only because I talk with anyone 1, 2 or 3 people whose bored enough to come see my stream. So I doubt this guy even is breaking actual 3 digit view count in all honesty. I've seen many streamer who has 100 to 500 viewers chat that goes pretty damn fast, and people who has over 4 digit viewer count, their chat goes so damn fast you have a hard time remembering viewers name. If you have 5 Digit Viewer count, and you can remember every people who talks with you? Yeah you have 2 digit viewer count.

[@undeadNova]

I love the thumbnail. both future xeno and past xeno just have the disappointed father look with the rebellious youth in the middle

[@Lukeormaybenath]

I don't know, man... I feel like this isn't a Fextralife issue, this is a Twitch issue. Congrats to everyone that could put 2 and 2 together, and realize this system is flawed, but it should be up to Twitch to fix this. Now I don't think this is right, but going after someone using a tool Twitch offers feels like inefficient uproar. Embedding is available on basically every platform that provides media (spotify, youtube, etc). The difference is that Twitch should find ways to properly guarantee this feature. Something as simple as not allowing autoplay on embed would do the trick.

[@dungeonmaster16]

14:55 because they know reporting to twitch doesn’t do anything, BUT report that to their sponsors and oh boy it’s gonna be a mess for them with chance legal action could happen depending on the sponsor.

[@troll5262]

I mean shit even if Twitch enforces something as simple and small such as 'paused by default' thing for embeds it'd ruin Fextras whole damn scheme.

[@natea4158]

using the wrong finger like that to flip people off is a new thing the younger crowd has been starting to do, particularly those still in high school or a bit before, so expect more people to do it in social media over time. it was their way they thought they were being clever so they could do that all over but technically not be doing that or blah blah...

[@allmight1799]

It's far cheaper to view bot his wiki site than twitch, also view botting a website through embedding is not bannable from what I understand.

[@TNTspaz]

The whole profit at any cost mentality that was going on during all this was disgusting.

[@yafrancken]

I do not know how like website coding works and stuff, but isnt the real problem that Twitch counts those viewers or even allows embedded streams to happen? Maybe I am just trying to cope as I do use their website and found it quite helpful at times.

[@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294]

Even a scroll by in Twitter counts as a “view”… ridiculous.

[@ZeroRed78]

I doubt Twitch really sees it as a problem. They've embraced the Twitch drops program which is there to have people load up streams in the background to get drops and artificially bump up viewer counts. As long as individual real people are loading up the stream they can count them.

[@baines803]

They viewbot and then their wiki is either wrong or just missing a buncha info

[@SweetJP.]

this start is hilarious. Not only is he stream botting, but the streamer has no idea how to stream. he's just sitting there. his mouth doesn't even fucking move.

[@CabbageYe]

They're effectively doing legal viewbotting.

[@jacktaru2]

2:30 I was thinking the SAME thing- this really just confirms xeems is just future asmon

[@TheAstraios]

11:52 hahaha the timing of that was so good

[@JamesAltoonaPA]

i use to stream daily i'm no one special but i got a small community , when i seen videos of some of these bigger streamers tell us smaller streamers just quit we're no good etc i slowed my streaming down may just quit altogether

[@factotum218]

As a 38 year old, yeah. Fuck it. All of it.

[@sird31mos]

The Fextra employees in the comments defending the worst wiki in history are pure gold.

[@d3fmetal]

I work for one of the largest media buyers in the nation that places ads on twitch. I want to thank members like Xeno and Asmongold for raising this concern as I have personally emailed our twitch contacts at amazon and detailed our findings and our concern. We have no power to change the behavior but our clients spend hundreds of millions on twitch, we can at least voice our discomfort with the practice. Maybe change can be influenced.

[@d3fmetal]

Our Amazon rep emailed me back that he has escalated this for investigation. So if the practice changes be sure to thank Asmon, Xeno, and any other streamers who made this a big enough issue for companies like us to notice. We don't want to be swindled anymore than our clients do.

[@ambystomamexicanum3803]

Yknow I thought for the longest time that their HTML dev was a fresh outta high school moron from the fact that every link you click on their wiki forcibly opens in a new tab or window. Didn't know about the Twitch embeds because I had twitch embeds completely disabled long ago. The always a new tab thing makes more sense in hindsight now though: they're like Gamestop cashiers trying to cajole you no less than 8 times in a single conversation into joining their rewards program when you were just trying to stop in real quick and get a USB cable.

[@batwingpie]

As a complete layman when it comes to coding or webpage stuff, it seems to me an obvious solution to embedding would be for Twitch to only count 'veiwers' when the channel URL is in the web browser. If the viewer hasn't opened the URL to the page it shouldn't count. Embed to their hearts content then, it wouldn't harm the channel sponsers or other streamers if they could only count veiwers as people with the actual channel page open in their browser. (also, "Slowder" for life)

[@LeonV777]

Well the thing is, this benefits twitch since they can pad numbers so they won't do anything about it.

[@batwingpie]

Yeh, sounds about right lol@@LeonV777

[@Starrky923]

tbf I think viewbotting is even more moral, at least they pay for the service and not profit off of clueless people without their permission

[@TacticalDimples]

But they are profiting off clueless people without their permission….

[@HOUND-4]

On average there is about 35 accounts in there that isnt moderators. And 20 of those 35 are known bots that roam twitch. So at BEST there is about 15-20 people watching. And yet it says 32k.

[@vicviper6]

Doesn't fextra life automatically show a small window of whatever stream they are doing at the time? does that view count get added to the viewer count? cause like i'll sometimes have a fextra window open just because im searching up wiki information

[@obscuredsanity]

Yep, sure does. That’s the embedded stream.

[@vicviper6]

@@obscuredsanity is that what people are considering view botting? i mean 30k people is a boat load so im not sure if fextralife gets that amount of traffic but if it does it would explain why not a lot of people are communicating, cause they are just looking for info on ths site

[@malcovich_games]

​@@vicviper6Embedding technically isn't view botting, but it accomplishes the same result as view botting.

[@Slimjim2147]

I understand and agree Asmons argument that if you pay someone to embed your stream on their site, yes that is equivalent to botting. However I view somewhat disagree as long as the website is something you made and run. For example, Preach Gaming. (Note he doesn't embed on his site, for arguments sake) If Preach started embedding on his website I would think those views more or less legitimate, people on Preach's site are already invested in his content (probably already in stream anyway) so if they're already on the site for Preach, why wouldn't their visit be meaningful? However, not so much the case here. I don't 100% know Fextralife, but from what I've seen their site is more like a wiki for multiple games. And my understanding is that Fextralife is a conglomerate with multiple streamers/content creators for multiple games. And therefore I believe that people visiting one of Fextralife's wiki sites for a different game written by someone who is not currently streaming, then yes that's basically what Asmon said in paying someone to embed you on their site. So yes I believe they're botting. Theres a bit of nuance here, if the site is an extension of yourself as a content creator, then by my logic it should be an extension of your stream. Since Fextralife is not a single content creator then yes this is scummy and they shouldn't count on twitch because it does hurt others. If I'm looking up a Remnant 2 guide on Fextralife I'm not at all interested in the dude streaming Armored Core, my embedded view is essentially botted.

[@Syllaren]

Why not put a link. Or put an actual large and volume included embed on the site. You don't get to kick out the entire directory because you own a marginally successful website. Viewer retention is very hard, retaining people on a static web page is NOT.

[@XicorVT]

bro got mad and could not even flick off someone right

[@darkwulf2k]

Would be fun to see what would happen if the Fxtra website were to crash, or be hacked, how much the viewer count would be. Not that I'd condone the hack, but really makes me wonder.

[@HyakuNiJuSan123]

Lol when asmond says "get mad all you want but I'm still right" 😂😂 reminds me of you I cracked up. That's why I like your content upfront and blunt.

[@Martician]

His chat is slower than my streams with 3 viewers.

[@jimjones9631]

Love how the guy had to flip asmon off. 100% self report. If you arent inflating your numbers then the chat will literally speak for itself

[@ThatCasulGuy]

"31k viewers" and got bullied off by Asmon watchers going in and actually chatting...

[@edios2930]

Larian studios banned fextralife for bombarding with bad reviews Baldur's gate. Immagine if many more videogames websites/companies were doing the same...

[@HolyDemon1988]

It's funny that this came up again after the Debut from GX_Aura where her Stream was embedded to the GX Corner for that one stream.

[@alenezi989a3]

Here's the thing, Fextralife creates amazing wikis I completely depend on them when I want a guide or walkthrough, I want to know the location of a specific item. Their wikis are invaluable. I've never watched their twitch channel, but on youtube they have great videos, guides, builds, reviews. So like they are working hard. Is it terrible that they embed their stream on their website? I'm not sure. They're benefiting from twitch ads revenue if twitch cares they would stop them if not then who cares, they're not stealing from anyone or harming anyone the only one being scammed here is twitch and twitch doesn't care. I wouldn't go as far as calling them shitholes or scumbags which Asmon did. And then goes and says why are they taking it personally like dude you just called him a scumbag like wtf? I like Asmon's react videos yet no one is calling him a scumbag for basically stealing the work of others which hurts that other youtuber/streamer because it's morally gray it's not clearly a bad nor is it clearly a good thing, what Fextralife is doing is cross advertising their platforms the platforms they made from the ground up the research and effort done to make these wikis and guides and walkthrough who so many benefit from is phenomenal, so yeah even if the views are ot actually from twitch they are still from the wikis which alot of people are using and if they get twitch ad money from that then good for them.

[@Zlanarod]

Bro the twitch embed is smaller than the fucking ad that's saying a lot

[@Masterom2000x]

I don't think it's really drama, Fextralife outed themselves and is being held accountable. They don't have a leg to stand on lol.

[@Metalicz]

Chiming in at like 90 seconds into the video. I wonder if anyone considers that their stream automatically plays on their heavily used wiki sites. Literally a new stream window every single extra window you have. Of course not all of them are viewers or chatters, its just the views they are getting from the wiki site. I suppose I'll keep watching to see if this is brought up as a possibility

[@dkillalegend]

Come to think about it, ALL viewers have every right to appear anonymously and privately, whether a view bot is used or not. Just be on the lookout for any whistleblower that decides to question the validity and/or privacy of the viewers who are watching you.

[@shmeebs387]

Embedding itself is fine, but it shouldn't count as a viewer on Twitch. Problem is, Twitch benefits from those inflated numbers, too, so they don't have an incentive to stop counting embedded views.

[@RedrikRaynor]

gotta milk it while it's still fresh. I don't blame fextra but they need to stop lying lmao

[@akito4201]

1month later and still nothing happened nice one twitch.

[@ZurVirus]

Clap Clap Clap Great Video the fact that twitch won’t fix this is so dumb. Oh and that one guy in 14 will never admit it KEKW.

[@Kairax]

:sludge: Old news xdding

[@crawlingvenom]

To be honest, I was once in thier discord for a short time. A lot of the community was toxic and the moment a female user siad hi the mods would only flirt with them.

[@FrazzyNZ]

The viewer number r give them a dopamine fix.

[@shiniesglitters5424]

you could use embedding to "launder" view bots by botting the website the embed is on.

[@khangho4167]

Yeah, I would be surprised if Fextralite hasn't been doing this lol

[@levintine777]

I couldn't care less if they are viewbotting, what always bothered me about Fextralife is they're making bunch of "beginner's guide" vids that are anything but "beginner"

[@generalgravey]

Same shit with Black Desert online....half the people view bot

[@vyris2663]

I'm honestly tempted to send Roccat an email with a link to Asmon's video.

[@dreadedronin24]

I know they embed their stream in their website for sure I went to their website for baldurs gate and it literally said no stream live to embed at this moment lol

[@AlunethMaster]

my chat moves faster with just myself watching my stream and typing to test the overlays its joke, im tired, lonely and today is my birthday, gimme a break ppl.

[@vielara]

Happy birthday! :)

[@AlunethMaster]

thx bro xD doing a world of warcraft stream for it, 9 viewers peak, and going out with my mom for dinner :> @@vielara

[@BlackCloud2469]

double baldie content and i'm here for it

[@polmao]

People shouldnt be clicking on just the top anyway. Theres a bunch of streamers out there who dont have a large audience that are way more entertaining than those who have a large amount of viewers. Unfortunately a lot of people like to go to the popular spot at first.

[@Sakeerie]

Im ok with botting doesnt affect me as a viewer at all

[@trancelabsx]

Flextra have not streamed since the changes

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

this channel fextra is known for viewbotting since what 2 years now. when i google it i get results from 2021

[@hvdiv17]

Twitch Stats by Streams Charts shows staysafe viewbotting about 30% of his total views and there are many others. why dont you call that out.

[@VundalI]

Thew only other streamer i know with the Lego yoda death scream is paymoney wubby. any chance u watch him?

[@TheMrTarkanian]

Ever since this shit popped off, fextralife has been silent. No streams at all. It's phenomenal haha.

[@pixielst]

twitch needs to make all their embedded batshit crazy huge in size it would be an annoyance to scroll past XD

[@David-gj6dc]

I think that's up to website owners to implement. But I agree that Twitch should probably have such terms in place. The problem is, and I might be wrong about this, anyone can embed anyone's stream. So if some third party embedded you in a way that breaks such terms you shouldn't be held liable to any punishment for breaching those terms. So there could be some non trivial cost to the enforcement. Realistically I think the best outcome would be for Twitch to make embedded views public. That transparency would go a long way I think.

[@Christian_Bagger]

This is a stupid cheater because it’s too obvious. He should’ve gone with 1000 views. That’s way more convincing.

[@zemekiel]

Someone should contact his sponsors and lay it clearly out how he is scamming them!

[@user-vd7wg8mq6e]

they have been doing this for years

[@LegcisRoyale]

The struggle to wipe the beard lmao.

[@oddian-13]

almost 600 views and only 3 comments in this video? man, Xeno must be viewbotting too lol

[@MrCrypticGames]

Then Let me just buy ad space on adsense where my add is just a api request to embend the my stream... literally the same thing as viewbotting it's just that it's not so prevalent yet

[@ThatOneNando]

I blame Twitch more than I blame Fextralife, because Fextralife abusing the system the Twitch created - so it is up to Twitch to change it.

[@khangho4167]

What about DMCA? KZbin allows it, so is it okay for content creators or companies to abuse it?

[@ThatOneNando]

KZbin's TOS explicitly states that the use of copyrighted material is forbidden (the fact that the enforce it or not is a different issue), whereas Twitch's TOS explicitly ALLOWS embedding. @@khangho4167

[@vigneshmohan1464]

I will make a reaction video to this 😂

[@jpsadie1172]

they should embed abuse bilibili aswell :D to take it next level

[@joshuacarter5744]

This is making me want Wendys.

[@MsBaseball19]

The very very end is the funny part

[@garytsang5673]

32k viewers are a bit too much 'playing the game' to not 'blame the player'...