Subraces in the Next Expansion?! New Datamining Leads to Speculation+Possible Subraces to Expect

[@Bain6969]

I WANT MY BROWN ORC

[@싸넬동지-7성담배]

Already looking forward to jokes with "Poop" names :x

[@maddeeps5520]

@Franco Cepeda HOLY FUCK

[@ch3feri]

Brown orc hate horde, Dreanor for Iron Horde faction that u cant play

[@eternallegacy89]

Bain 6969 I want my Fel Orc from Outlands. Or a Fel Blood Elf, etc.

[@roh9347]

Mok'nathal half ogre orcs !

[@roehanostornsyn3367]

Actually Asmongold, the Broken use the Tauren skeleton. All of it would check out. The reason I know that is because they have the same animations and laughing sounds. It's very apparent in Old Nagrand.

[@OmegaShanic]

The new Broken models that were added in patch 7.3 use the Draenei model as a base, though either of these would be cool honestly. :)

[@roehanostornsyn3367]

Well when we thought of Broken I didn't know we were talking about them. But thank you, I had no idea.

[@wannabuysomekush]

Undead can be like dead orcs, tauren, be, or trolls, not like death knight dead, but bones exposed, rotting orcs would be cool as shit

[@lynxerz]

YES

[@afkqq]

Sooooo would those be Undead subraces or subraces of the Orcs, Tauren, BE, Trolls etc... lol I agree it would be pretty badass

[@HankJ666]

I think the undead should stick with the races wich actually lived in the north of Eastern Kingdoms, so undead trols and elves would make sense Of course they should look like actual undeads with missing flesh and all that stuff, because if not they would be just like Death Knight, who are actually undead

[@HankJ666]

+SennT While it would make sense since... Well, everything dies, the forsaken are actually citizens of Lordaeron, wich have been death since the events of WC3, including the ones wich appear in Cataclysm, wich are NEW forsaken, back in BC there was not a Valkyr resurrecting us But if anything I think it would make sense for forsaken to resurrect other races wich were killed during the third war, so undead elfs and probably trols, wich are the races that lived in the north of the Eastern kingdoms As Lilian boss, who had memories from when she was alive (and other undeads remember how they died), if you resurrected a Dwarf from ironforge, he would be like "Who are ye horde monster?!" And basically go back to ironforge where he would probably be regected tho and he could try talking with Anduin It would be kinda the same as Death Knights, they dont serve Ner'Zhul willingly and the moment they have the chance they rejoin their factions Even undeads have their own will basically If you resurrect an elf killed during WC3 tho, and tell him about everything that happened with Arthas, Sylvanas, etc, he will probably join the forsaken, Sylvanas had her... Kinda meh reputation because she liked to bang human males (like all of her sisters wtf?) but was still the leader of the rangers and died trying to defend Silvermoon to the last breath, so any Zombie elf wich knew about her will most likely follow her Other races, specially on the horde, also wont like Sylvanas playing with their dead ones, Tauren have a great connection with nature, blood elfs as seen in SoO and orcs for who dying in combat is the greatest honor

[@Chris-gt3rs]

People are so stupid! Just because your title is ‘undead orc’ you will still be playing a orc... there’s no difference, just like how i can be a crusader by changing my title, doesn’t fucking make me one it changes nothing... -_-

[@snugdream2307]

There's always been a longing to meet the Pandaren. They're so appealing in that they're from an island steeped in it's own special history, surrounded by mystical waters and exotic mists. That is some of their own lucky lore and it's wholly significant. As a player and experiencer of blizzard's stories, it was refreshing - a refreshing break from all the constant epic frenzy we so often get to/have to deal with. Adventuring on a very special hidden land, uncovering it's mysteries and seeing the links between it and our known world, interacting with or avoiding extraordinary races and peculiar creatures who also call this land home all helped provide the experience and feeling of true exploration. Because I was so fortunate to play a part in Mists of Pandaria, I feel enriched by it's pure waters, enheartened by harmonious bear-folk, and enlightened by the travels of an ancient turtle. I actually felt a breath of fresh air and welcomed Pandaria's native whimsy and curious remarkableness. I felt deep emotion during that expansion, wanting to assist the inhabitants in their plight. I'd love if Azeroth revealed more explorable lands, painted with serene environments and exotic landscapes mixed with unknowable hazards. Until we're IN them, unknowable hazards are truly perilous. So often we can see the dangers ahead or know the threat, partly because we know the bad guys, and it's a matter of waiting until we're given the ability to deal with it. It's probably refreshing for the writers and artists, coming up with unfamiliar stories and creating unseen works, instead of extending the current threat. Coupling danger of an unknown environment we're trying to understand with figuring out how to counter it is thrilling due to all the When asked about playable races, most people pull from a list of what makes sense story-wise or from a list of currently similar avaialable races. But there is another option, being greeted by, discovering, or meeting a race we haven't met yet. Surely Azeroth is home to countless creatures and inhabitants we have not discovered. A people we did not expect to encounter is part of what made getting to know the Pandaren so effective and interesting - we didn't know them or see them being introduced to us as players or to our characters. We got to know them over time. That mystery truly added to the depth of their story. Perhaps we will see new races pop up that we haven't met yet, and get to know them through their expansion. That is one thing I hope for with each expansion. I would like to see that. What little I do know about the Tuskkar and Arakkoa excite me for the possibility of them being playable, plus I love their kits: the shadowy, crooked, trinkety, clever, kooky but warm-hearted Arakkoa, and the big-hearted, brave, stout, adventurous, deep, jolly and kind Tuskarr. There are others of course, but those two instantly pop in my mind as the the known races I'd like to see playable. Blizzard has proven with storylines and art such as those from the snowy Taunka and Tuskkar tribes, the wise and shadowy Arakkoa, and the emboldened Quilboar that special stories and unusual natures that shine in our neighboring races, are some of the best. I would be honored and excited to be given the chance to play as one of these special races. For unknown, I'd love a rabbit or fox race, possibly neighboring Pandaria on a few islands. Samurai and sorcerer type classes. Soft glowing paper lantern class accessory. Oh my god that would be the coolest! I would totally invest my heart and time into that game and onward. Or a Celtic-themed stag race, discovered in an Irishy expansion or zone. That could offer an additional cousin-like direction for druidism that we're unfamiliar with and could be fun!

[@adamnuss90]

I like/agree with your idea on having like a class order hall type quest or like the Fel Warlock quest chain in MoP to implement these new sub races. But to be successful i think that after completing the quest you have a one time choice to choose that sub race on your main (and can pay for race change additional times) and then have the sub race be unlocked for any future characters you make. Another thing I would love to see implemented which would go along well with this is like sub races that are class based (sub-classes?). Even though I didnt play Warlock I loved the idea of the fel flame questline in MoP. I know we have the talent trees (obviously...) but for some subraces to apply to only a couple classes. The big problem here is some classes will have much cooler, appearance and lore wise, options and in some ways kind of like the disparity between class mounts or artifact weapons (Paladin Ashbringer, Shaman Elemental mount, etc).

[@necron9999]

I want at least one sub race per race. Because if I don't get to be a dark iron dwarf I'm gonna be pissed

[@Rameus]

Jacob Rose if you have a transponder that takes you to the Grimm guzzler you can get a brew that turns you into one. You can use one and then carry one.

[@wervelu2077]

This is the most likely. If they were to only give Tauren and Elves subraces, everyone would yell favoritism.

[@thumblz]

I hope they make the beards on fire.

[@grayanotoxin6131]

Gnomes should not get a subrace with the current subraces available to them, Leper gnomes are irritated beyond any hope of sanity and the clockwork gnomes currently in the game just do not seem fitting. Gnomes are one of the only races see not working, and that's coming from a person that has every class at 110 that can be a gnome, as a gnome.

[@thumblz]

FireBanditZO they could just wedge on some shit that you rehabilitate some leppers. I mean there has to be children leppers. Not like we can just kill them

[@imabigblackduck]

Need a sub race for humans called neck beards

[@RatchildUK]

Humans - Arathi barbarians (tattoos/warpaints/more built). Dwarves - Wildhammer. Gnomes - Cyborg Gnome. Night Elves - High Elves. Draenei - Lightforged Worgen - Night Elf humanoid model. Orcs - Maghar. Trolls - Zandalari. Tauren - Highmountain. Foraken - Undead Elves. Blood Elves - Nightborne. Goblins - Gilblin. Pandaren - Firbolg.

[@Lors_101]

I feel like cured leper gnomes probably have a better chance considering Blizzard hasn't done jack shit with Gnomeregan and could use this as a conclusion to it

[@Wargodx1337]

there are already playable subraces, we call them pandas

[@frostgodxeek]

LOL

[@HardporeCorn66]

logged in just to like lmfao

[@gestucvolonor5069]

Also humans with black skin color

[@tenkovito]

LMAO Panda racist

[@BartenderPMC]

cmonBruh

[@Hazard2005]

There is a conversation you can initiate in The Vindicaar between Lady Liadrin and the Nightborne Silgyrn on how both there races share a tragic past on magic addiction, betrayal, and strength in standing together...

[@Telarius]

Hazard2005 Thats pret obvious if you read lore urself

[@TheDaxter11]

i want to be able to make my orc warrior stand up straight instead of being hunched over

[@christianweibrecht6555]

TheDaxter11 I make my orcs and trolls female because the male hunch is too severe

[@TheDaxter11]

Christian Weibrecht but then you dont get the massive shoulder pads, thats the whole point of choosing an orc!

[@OmegaShanic]

One way around Goblin and Worgen is it might be fair to assume that they won't add subraces for every race. It makes sense to me that the first ones on the chopping block would be Worgen, Goblin, and Pandaren as they were added later. Particularly Worgen and Goblins, as they have very specific starting experiences AND their racial models are due to be updated like the rest of the races were in Warlords.

[@griffinbryant5016]

Yeah, the Nightborne and Blood Elves have been getting p tight through the whole expac while Tyrande really only seemed to help to stop the Legion. I think I recall her mentioning something about how she blamed the nightborne for suramar's corruption (it is her home city) The remaining high elves are completely aligned with the alliance or the kirin tor

[@marclamb9183]

Or massive quest line to help the subrace and your character gives its life to save the new one sick cinematic of it picking your weapon up. Hits you right in the feels and won't cost £30 just throwing it out there

[@xxchancetxx]

It would be cool if the sub races actually got their own racials as well.

[@god6384]

they are probably not gonna do that. They already stated that if they could do everything over they would remove racials all together. They learned their lessons with the human racial trinket drama.

[@chuggon7595]

@@god6384 this aged well lol

[@Noah-cb2ol]

Instead of Tuskarr for Pandaren they could implement Furbolgs. Furbolgs are like their distant cousins.

[@Pandan3D]

retooling the armor is actually a lot easier than you think.. As someone who has experience doing 3D art & using WoW model viewer extensively, its not that hard for them to make a new race. Although like you said, I think it'd still be easier to do variations on our existing races.

[@Tallestdwarf]

2:31 check out how that corner lines up with Asmongold's ceiling to the right of his face. Fucking perfect

[@Aenima50]

I think if they combo the scaling tech they added in Legion with sub races and the old zones already in the game they could totally revamp the leveling experience for players as well as the starting experience. I could imagine choosing a mechano gnome and doing your starter quests in Storm peaks before being led to Stormwind. Just a thought....

[@joshkrause2977]

All of those races have a player start screen because in quests you play as those races at some point in the game.

[@rickandrygel913]

For undead, they should have other races than human become undead, use the gnome baseline to make undead gnomes, etc...

[@deeko7263]

I want the Asmongold race. Bald withered neckbeards.

[@DurpVonFronz]

DUDE, that headbutt to your desk... LOL HILARIOUS.... and the mark it left... even better XDXDXD

[@Aybo1000]

There's also the yun'gol for Tauren from mop

[@OlJimbo]

iron horde orc.

[@Lambardoot]

phatmemes Lok'Thar Ogar! 😈

[@ch3feri]

and BRF

[@sweepic7870]

About the nightborne and horde. on the vindicaar (spaceship) silgryn and lady liadryn had a dialogue about blood elves joining the horde and the horde helped them through rough times. Thats pretty much it

[@iamradugabriel]

THEY REALLY NEED TO ADD VRYKUL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! Taunka and Tuskar are nice too.

[@firesoy]

#MakeAzerothGreatAgain

[@spoke1183]

Actually it takes only few hours of work to create armors size and shape to fit new character. They just don't wanna put the time in it as all expansions are pre planned few years ahead.

[@bsmaster5714]

the trolls are Drakkari(ice trolls) Zandalari(jungle trolls) Gurubashi(forest trolls) Farraki(sand trolls) and the darkspear(island trolls(currently horde)). there are even more troll tribes but they are listed in one of the 5 sub-races of trolls

[@goclockworkriot]

Running with the idea of reusing skeletons, skins, and assets we have to imagine that we will see an actual half-elf model for Arator in the next expansion, in which case a subrace for elves, humans, or both could be half-elf. It doesn't exist now, of course, but since it will be being made anyway it kind of fits in with the "we've already got most of the work done, let's use this" idea.

[@MrSonic5]

I don't like the idea of subraces replacing the opportunity to get completely new races. The issue for me is, there is no difference in size or silhouette. If you put a full set of plate armour on a lightforged draenei, it's going to look just like a regular draenei, so what's the point? Of course though, this works if blizzard adds subraces that do have differences in shape (zandalar trolls, nightborne) But at that point, you still have to rig all the armour to the models. Begging the question of why you don't just make a new race at that point.

[@EchoHotel_off]

It'll be simple? Lore will have to be written, quests will have to be programmed, and even then, would Silvermoon be flooded with void belfs? Or will they need to create and program brand new starting areas?

[@hamsterhamster6492]

Well, it makes more sense for nightborne to be horde, because Silgryn and Lady Liadrin had a talk in the Vindicaar about factions, and by the end of the conversation Silgryn seems pretty sold on the idea. And since Lady Liadrin is a blood elf, I doubt Silgryn would go back to the nightborne telling them to join the alliance. However the conversation was more about factions in her real than which one to join. But I still think that it makes enough sense Also there are Gil-Goblins, aka the fish goblins from Vash'jir

[@mats168]

Why the fuck are you complaining about reskin boars, but wanting reskin dwarfs?

[@rockybuchholz1711]

I want any update that adds complexity to the game and lets you have different playstyles from players of the same class. As of right now, every class is played relatively the same (except for some PvP situations) and the player behind the keyboard is more affected by his item level as opposed to his skill level. I miss watching old WoW videos where players would discover some unique skill or item combination that fundamentally changed the way their class was played from the average player. I hope adding subraces will bring some of this potential back.

[@assukka]

What are some examples of people discovering unique skills/item combinations that changed the way their class was played?

[@rockybuchholz1711]

There's quite a lot. Here is an obvious example that dictated the way many classes were played. Before WoD, the effectiveness of DoTs were determined by your current stats when you initially applied them. For example, if you had an active item that gives you 1000 intellect, then that would be the best time to dump all of your DoTs on a target. In MoP, unholy death knights could get their diseases to last around 90 seconds by using festering strike. That means the best trinkets for unholy death knights were trinkets that had long cooldowns but gave a massive amount of strength for a short period of time. So even if the trinket was low item level, it was more effective than higher item level trinkets that only gave secondary stats. If you understood how to abuse DoTs, no matter what class you were, you would perform significantly better than the average player in both PvE and PvP. A skilled unholy death knight could have double the dps of an unholy death knight of the same item level. Other examples of gameplay variety include pre-Cata strategies of REFUSING to upgrade some of your skills from the class trainer in order to use weaker variants of a skill that have faster cast times and lower mana costs. In BC, supposedly some assassination rogues would not learn mutilate in PvP and instead rely on skills from other skill trees. The list goes on. Nowadays, the game is pretty linear.

[@Nemenon]

I wouldn't want a simple reskinned race. Something like Tuskarr would be a good example of a good sub race, since it's model is a good bit different but not so different that it doesn't feel like a sub race to w/e. We basically already have Dark Iron dwarves in the game, you can make your skin ash black like theirs, don't remember if you get the red eyes though. High Elves wouldn't work because they look exactly the same as normal Blood Elves or non purple Night Elves.

[@sephrinx4958]

5:32 How is his view distance so far? I have all settings on Ultra and it's not that good. What do?

[@Giliver]

If love to hear what you guys think, what sub races would you like to see for each race? I'm having a hard time figure out undead, we'll need some more sylvanas story to get an idea of what they can do imo.

[@TheRealbemok]

banshee mb

[@melisandre6324]

skeletons!

[@lunagryn]

The lightforged draenei at the very least have been confirmed to just be new NPC models for 7.3. But if they do end up doing this subrace thing they really should consider giving us a free race change. or some way to do it in the game.

[@juamo90]

As a main tauren warrior I would love to se the yaungol as a subrace for taurens. For worgen I think furbolgs it's a good choice, or for pandaren even. I remember that pandaren models (not the hero one) in Warcraft 3 were a recolor of furbolgs.

[@bgnin]

Realistically this will be the main selling point of the next xpac + a new area. They also have to make new starting areas for all these sub races so we can assume it is going to be only one per race. I would love to see upright trolls being playable.

[@McDuls]

calling it now next race is girafferen

[@jimmygott]

5:22 I assume you mean Moira Thaurissan not Thassarian, Thassarian is one of the first Death Knights to join the Alliance with no ties to the lore of the Dark Iron Dwarves lol. I agree though it's very easy to just make subraces for Blizzard as opposed to an entire new race. I don't think High Elves will be a thing because Blood Elves are basically disgraced High Elves but yea Dark Iron Dwarves definitely with all the back and forth Moira has done as the Queen/Empress of the Dark Iron Dwarves. Tuskarr would be awesome I'd definitely make some class of Tuskarr just to run around yelling "FUNNEL CAKE". It's definitely hard to figure out what every race would get xD.

[@roehanostornsyn3367]

This sounds strange I know but High Elves are actually officially part of the Alliance i.e the Silver Covenant in Dalaran.

[@elrikstormbringer8073]

there are few others too , like the lodge in hinterlands and few others scattered within azeroth , and very few blood elves who are part of the alliance ( now valeera is neutral but she is most likely does support Anduin as she did with Varian ) maybe they could explain it as they disliked garrosh's rule of tyranny and dislike Sylvanas' rule of necromancy so some defected to rejoin the alliance high elves

[@ub3rfr3nzy94]

I think we'll get subraces this time and the next time we need a race we'll get high elves and Ogres.

[@sergioprieto5661]

+Armadyl Featherbreeze yea he just said "the Silver Covenant", where Vereesa is the "Ranger General" of that...

[@HankJ666]

Yeah, and trols are part of the horde... The darkspear trols, but not the Amani trols, or the zandalari trols So not all high elves have to be alliance, specially if there is a lore explanation behind it

[@matrix255]

High Elves are officially still part of the Alliance, problem to make them a playable race is the fact that since the destruction of Quel'Talas they became pretty much a dying race.

[@lucysanderson1667]

Nightborne make the most sense for Horde as the Nightborne and Sin'dorei have very similar history with both becoming reliant on their wells and becoming manipulated by the Burning Legion. Both Thalyssra and Liadrin made rebellions against their leaders as well with Liadrin opposing Kael'thas in BC with the Shattered Sun Offensive. High Elves are very complicated though because they are very similar to Blood Elves, well they are Blood Elves but they are allied with the Alliance. There's also a crap ton of Troll Tribes, like the Atal'ai in Swamp of Sorrow, Bloodscalp in STV and Skullsplitter in STV. Lots sprung up after Hakkar was defeated in ZG in Vanilla and the Gurubashi Tribe imploded. There's like 10 others as well. Keeping it to the main ones would be the most realistic but Zandalari are most likely to be an oncoming villain so that could be confusing. Also Undead Subraces could be undead versions of different skeletons like their should be thousands of Undead Elves after Arthas destroyed Quel''thalas. Also another Tauren Subrace could be the Yaungol from Pandaria. The best orc subrace would be the straight spine orc, 10/10 would play.

[@redrenegade13]

"recently dead like Nathanos" Oh, Asmon. Nathanos has been dead about as long as Sylvannas. The reason those two aren't rotted is bc Syl's body was preserved by dark magic until she reclaimed it. And Nathanos sacrificed his last living relative's life and siphoned some power from a Val'kyr to restore his body to its former strength. So he can serve The Dark Lady longer and stronger (if you know what I mean). I do like your theory though because I always wanted to play a barely-rotten Undead. And the Dark Ranger guard are undead high elves. So hell yeah, Blizzard. Make it happen!

[@MrPimpJuiice]

Subraces means new starting zones, low level quests ect, i think its quite a lot of data to add, would be ok to add just more customization options, different voices even, cause they sound all the same.

[@AvausOfficial]

I think they might add a free character customization instead of a lvl 110 free boost, or maybe you can choose if you want to customise your character or get a 110 boost.

[@PTVargo]

the nightborne on horde and void elfs for alliance sounds realy sick honestly, i would love to play as a void elf

[@ccPhobos]

I will gladly pay to race change all of my characters to Vrykul.

[@silencegaming3227]

Armadyl Featherbreeze they kinda are, deathknights, paladin/warrior and maybe priest

[@kat-rau.]

I would give anything to be able to play the Vrykul women in Stormheim, they have such awesome hairstyles. Or something like the Arathi Barbarians, they look like the female Barbarian from D3. Both would be amazing. Tired of human females with HUGE weapons but tiny arms and no muscle.

[@ccPhobos]

That could be their racial, like the night elves Wisp form.

[@reee0plb465]

I'd throw all of my shekels at them if they implemented Vrykuls I have been dreaming of it since Deathbringer's Will

[@HuorNolatari]

what i want personnally is to be a race from the other faction but chose the other side as a rebel. makes more sense to have free will than being forced in an alliance just because you're born something

[@margisama]

If Horde has an option to make a blood elf a nighbourne (essentially giving horde access to the night elf skeleton), then alliance should get high elf as a night elf subrace (since face it, high elves ARE a subrace of night elves). that would give horde the night elf skeleton and alliance the blood elf skeleton, and would silence alot of people who've been demanding high elves since Vanilla without making them a straight up separate playable race. As for Pandaren...furbolg would be a better match than walrus people >_>

[@MrSupora]

But they don't need to make new versions for weapons and shoulders "to fit a new race" The only thing they need to add for a new race is helms and with legion those 3d parts of armor

[@chrisacker499]

Fosaken sub-races could be more along the lines of Sylvanas...based off their living race, rather than just human models. They have a solid start with what they have for the DK models, just a little more rotting and would open it up nicely.

[@Jacob-iz7sh]

Worgren??

[@ch3feri]

no

[@ch3feri]

Negrow

[@rudeman8374]

Or I was thinking Wargrin 😂 “only furries play wargrins” *while wearing a raccoon beanie*

[@RandySiplon]

Pan der in

[@tomselby24]

thatd be tight like holy shit the zandalari trolls could have like some mad hatred for the iron dwarves then have specific battlegrounds where its 10 trolls vs 10 dwarves

[@Cookiemelter]

I think it makes sense for the highborne to join the horde. They are hated by the night elves and the highborne on the vindicaar talked to Liadrin about how the blood elves and the highborne both had problems with the sunwell and nightwell. If there will be a race campain it will probably be about the nightborne recently losing the nightwell.

[@matrix255]

Didn't some Highbornes rejoined the Night Elves in Cataclysm? That's why NE can be mages (I THINK). They use to xmog if I remember correctly before they changed to the ethereals and can still be found beside some enchanting trainers.

[@jhollars3943]

Was just thinking maybe the void elves are basically the alliance high elves we've wanted (blue eyes), but are considered void elves b/c of following alleria. Maybe they always appear as in-game high elves like Vereesa/Alleria, but have a racial talent with void magic. Sort of similar to how Draenei have the Gift of the Naaru skill.

[@filippocipriani767]

I love the idea of subraces. The only thing I would be disappointed by is if they stop at the 4 that have been datamined. The only way to make subraces hype-worthy is if they add atleast 1 for each race.

[@benjaminmorris6714]

I think even better than dark iron dwarves would be Earthen. And it would fit well with a tentacle expansion, especially since it seems the titans are back.

[@Sindragozer]

If they do add in just the 4 sub-races that have been data mined, the horde is getting screwed. Especially if the Void Elves turn out to be like Alleria, they are clearly the coolest looking, and the light forged Draeni are the second coolest, 3rd Coolest is Highmountain Tauren, and last is the Nightborne. If the theme of the next expansion is light and void and is centered in Kul'Tiras, then it wouldn't make any sense for only the alliance to have light and void customization options.

[@Sindragozer]

Here's a wowhead article about the datamine: www.wowhead.com/news=274436/four-playable-sub-races-in-next-wow-expansion

[@kenjeguides3675]

Blizzards ticket to success would be to make Murlocs and Etheraels. Those are the two ive been hearing on the big wish list since BC. Honestly i'd pay for race changes on all my characters to Murlocs. Of course these are more new races not subclasses but it would be awesome. Aerokei or however that is spelled would be awesome as well.

[@therethan-family1234]

I would define the term subrace not in a biological way but instead in a cultural. In my eyes a subrace would be a group that has strong connections to a pre-existing race/faction. With this argumentation, you could group the high elves with the humans of stormwind since most of them asked the humans for refuge after the split in silvermoon. Other subraces would be more obvious like the wildhammer and dark-iron dwarves living in ironforge or the mag'har and dragon-maw orcs (yes, they are still part of the horde) being allied to the horde. A personal wish of mine would be the broken as a draenei-subrace and since they are cut off the light, they would be able to become warlocks and rouges instead.

[@cairnebloodfist3347]

Blood elves descended from the Highborne if i remember correctly, which is why they would be horde.

[@augustmcgregor2940]

What would make a little more sense imo is subraces for the vanilla and TBC factions. Worgen, Goblins and Pandaren don't really have major subraces (except maybe the Gilblins, but canonically they're all mentally fucked). With that, you could also perhaps not assign subraces to the humans or forsaken; then having four each Alliance/Horde where the subraces are fairly justifiable, if not entrenched per se, in the lore

[@criticalmass3993]

Customization and generally being able to play "dress up" has become pretty staple in modern MMO's so adding more of that in WoW would kinda make sense, why not throw in some cool craftable trasmog items for profs like LW/BS and Tailor that can be sold in AH? Recipes could come from literally any content, rep, raid, dungeons, pvp, WQ etc.. seeing that gear doesn't really matter anymore but its the looks that still matter for most people.

[@gianandreaferrara5663]

I hope we will get a completely new race. Sub-races are cool but i see more like a patch feature and not an expansion feature.

[@lukeb6565]

You already can be a dark iron dwarf TriHard Clap

[@jamesgfilm]

As software developer I am triggered by the statement that this is necessarily an easy implementation. It LARGELY depends on how forwards compatible and maintained their code is from ~2004 or whenever the game came out. Not to say its not doable, just probably not as easy as you think.

[@technodrone313]

also the last thing the horde needs is more legolas.

[@benfoster3582]

What’s the name of the golden sword at 4:34?

[@zsombi2110]

But if i make a Highmountain Tauren, Thunder Bluff rep will be the default rep?

[@RoninPunk2]

4:37 he says Amani trolls twice XDDDD

[@Mthammere2010]

Naga would only require a pant mesh at most, with a band for boots.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Amani and Drakkari Trolls probably wouldn't happen because they are larger than regular Trolls. But Farraki, Gurubashi, and Zandalari could work.

[@robertgeorge2011]

Maybe some of the new races' starting zones could be set in the past and lead up to the present level like the Demon Hunter's. Lorewalker Cho could "tell us their tale".

[@1trevor30]

I think a subrace for human will be High Elf honestly. Would make sense. They can be all the same classes as humans, and are apart of the alliance. People have been wanting them so badly but are to few to be an actual race in itself. Also, for undead they could do what they did for Sylvanas, undead Elves.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Undead could be undead Elves because not only humans are part of the Forsaken in the Ore.

[@zzmr_stretchzz8772]

thing is with most sub races they work for both sides and would not make sense to only join one side

[@nathanevans920]

Undead subraces could be like undead types of other races like an undead blood elf which is basically Slyvanas

[@definitelynotdio8500]

One thing Blizz could do for the Undead is take the skeletons for other races and make them look a lot paler and just -dead- with the yellow eyes or maybe red ones like Nathanos and other stuff like that, I think that'd be a cool thing like a pale balding Tauren with yellow eyes, although it doesn't bring into account how their racial would work in this case but either way its a interesting thought.

[@misterfister9957]

subraces would be cool, but they'd really be cool if they opened up new class options like... a red drenai couldn't be a priest but can be a warlock or something. And have every subrace start in one big starting zone like an amry of the light training ground for new recruits n shit then go off to our respective faction leaders like yo i've come to join you.

[@kanew6472]

I want to be a vrykul or a valkyr a golden for the alliance and the drak ones for the horde.

[@CarstenB711]

I wouldn’t mind seeing some High Elves for the alliance. Would be nice to have Valeria and her people fight for ally.

[@BoomyGoBoom]

The Nightborne Repsected the Blood Elves use of magic while making jabs at the Night Elves using Primative weapons like Bows and arrows

[@g3ll0]

Like hell am I going to be excited for subraces if they don't let us change our current characters. "Hey pay $60 for this new expansion! Now hand over another $15 (if it counts as an appearance change) or $25 (if it counts as a race change) per character to access them! OR completely reroll all of your characters to access these awesome new subraces that will make you never again want to play your boring normal races!" Yeah fuck that. Give us a one time option to change our characters subrace/appearance.

[@overenergy6534]

No reason to not include abilities for each subrace that are on par with talents in terms of power.

[@nateshrager512]

"Walruses are a subspecies of pandas." -Asmongold 2017

[@keihndeth]

What is it with these popular WoW KZbinrs and their lack of respect for the lore... They have to be careful about what subraces they add because it detracts from the core of the warcraft storyline: Alliance vs Horde. We're more likely to get a 3rd and/or 4th faction than a ton of sub-races. Expect loot boxes if sub-races do happen though.

[@usbdixdndjd1926]

Keihndeth I just wanna go back to the good old days when the alliance felt like the enemy and the game felt somewhat medieval. No warriors jumping up to heaven, no spaceships, no time travel, and no teleporters to other planets. Blizzard could've at least done something creative for travelling to argus like the dark portal.

[@keihndeth]

completely agree

[@ub3rfr3nzy94]

There's no way we'll get vrykul, there's no such thing as small vrykul if you aren't talking about humans. However, there's 3 Human kingdoms left aside from the kingdom of Azeroth (Stormwind), these are: Dalaran, Kul Tiras and Stromguard. Alterac is pretty much completely destroyed, stromguard can still be recovered though and has a living potential leader (Danath trollbane) who said one day he will restore his kingdom.

[@blisscon]

Am I the only one who thought that "sub races" in the title actually meant racing a submarine in the water?

[@Fred-yd8qb]

As a roleplayer, subraces would be the best possible thing to happen. I hope it's true. Lets rush legion out the door and get this new expansion in already!

[@thorsakencairne]

I've always wanted a Taunka for my Tauren Warrior. Asmongold did you get the Thundering Black serpernt mount?

[@sixfootgiant14]

I think it would be cooler if they made extensive questlines, like the Warlock greenfire. The Void Elves sound the coolest but it seems insanely dumb to just be able to race change to it. You should have to go a trial to prove yourself worthy of Void touched, and that goes with any other race. Maybe not all, but the special ones like mecha-gnome or some shit.

[@terraincognitagaming]

"Retool to fit" All armors are just textures applied onto the model, nothing else. Only with Legion are there some more physical changes/attachments. Adding ogres wouldnt be difficult at all. Anyway its not like people complain about current races and their issues with armors, and its not like Blizzard gives a fuck about quality and consistency in the first place. Gnomes cant wear most helm+shoulder combos because the helmets are too big and shoulders clip into the ears/head. Worgens cant wear any helmets without looking completely retarded, plus worgen male shoulders are angles so fucking weirdly. Human females got strangely angled shoulders, from the front some of them appear so fucking bad, plus the spine clipping. and more. Pandas cant wear most helmets either because of how everything scales automaticly and stretches. Human Male is the only model blizzard actually models armors on. The only differences on the other races are shoulder sizes and boots.

[@gaminhelp101]

Saberstalker would be a sub-race of worgen, they have a very similar skeleton

[@HavocHounds1988]

Hmm, Tuskaar for Pandaran actually does make sense.

[@knifetoucher]

I'd assume the expansion will come with at least 1 free subrace change for your main.

[@latepage6088]

The first time i saw the highmountain tauren i wanted them as a race