I had no idea kids are THIS stupid..

[@sailingmaster]

A good friend of mine from college quit teaching a few years ago. She had won awards. She told me that she averaged 35 kids per class, with 30 desks. The most textbooks she had for any of her 7 classes was 28. She would go to businesses (law firms were pretty good to help out) to beg for pens, legal pads, post-it notes for her kids. She was living like a broke college student, while being in her 50's. The day she quit, she was walking out to the parking lot with the principal. He was so happy that his bonus for the year would pay off his new BMW X5, and my friend just stared at her 15 year old VW. Something like 70% of every dollar spent on Education goes to "administrative costs". Not teacher salaries, not materials for students, not learning programs.

[@vdarklord1]

Jesus thats depressing

[@danielroden9424]

im all for paying teachers more and admins less but that wont fix culture / bad homes / bad parents.

[@jdude123454321]

@@danielroden9424 It would certainly be a step in the right direction. It would help to keep quality teachers around and get more people into the field.

[@dr.3am]

It's ass backwards they give more to people who hardly do work. I'm sure they do something but to neglect the ones in the trenches doing the hard work is just wrong. At this point teachers should be celebrities dealing with these bad ass kids who have no manners and no clue how to act in public.

[@sydneyforwalter2502]

Ya I work in the school systems and trying to go for big administrative positions cuz you get paid so much for fewer work It’s just figuring out that teaching is a terrible job rn

[@Gupsquatch]

The worst part is that public school caters to the lowest common denominator. Kids that are actually way ahead of their classes are forced to sit there in boredom while everyone else catches up (k-12). Personally experienced it. I burned out at about sophomore year of high school and just did what i considered the minimum and still made all As K-12 without really trying. The issue is that since i wasn't challenged i had a ton of issues in college since i didn't know how to properly study for anything, and I know i'm not the only one who experienced that.

[@frequentsee3815]

Yeah, the gap between gradeschool & college is increasing. It's like going from playing junior varsity to being on an amateur professional team in the matter of a few months. I scored in the top 6% of the country on my standardized tests in highschool but was not ready for even introductory courses in college. You couldn't simply pass just from being able to tread water better than those who could barely swim.

[@davidyang3068]

@@frequentsee3815 I find that confusing. Did you get into a higher tier college because of your race? Yes, college classes are harder but the vast majority of people do fine in college too. The gap is nowhere as big as you describe

[@auminne8500]

I still remember a kid that was in my grade when I was in high school was literally allowed to leave the school and drive / get driven to a college to take classes there and they graduated like close to a year earlier than the majority of our grade. I guess your high school just didn't have adequate paths for people to seek higher education if they were at that level.

[@frequentsee3815]

@@davidyang3068.... what? Bro you need school

[@Dud3itsj3ff]

I agree with that for elementary and middle school, but highschool definitely has (or at least had 10 years ago) AP and early college classes available.

[@tomd5069]

This is why I always felt people telling me that I was a "gifted" child was complete BS. More like I just didn't have any friends and was bored af so I just paid attention in class and was actually performing at what should've been the average.

[@newbleppmore7855]

when i was in school i was the opposite of gifted failed everything and still had no friends

[@redmoonrise6507]

this. this is literally me. unironically this is the reason why a lot of people don't understand basic things like "you're" vs "your" or "they're/their/there". i love my bf but he didnt pay attention in school. he had friends and was on his phone constantly, so as a result he didnt learn basic stuff and can't spell a lot of basic words.

[@codysnowden231]

Dude. This. I was put in the "gifted" program in grade 5... Even then I was like none of us are smarter than any of the other kids, we are literally just paying attention and trying even a tiny bit...

[@estycki]

yah I hear you, I found learning more interesting than the kids and pop culture, and I was lucky to have a decent public school.

[@ilsagita5257]

​@@redmoonrise6507I get you girl my bf at college he was very good and all but he didn't know basic world history and other yj common or general knowledge stuff ..at times it was hard to love him😂 but anyways we broke off later for other reasons

[@00F]

The biggest contributor to this is that schools are now prioritizing getting kids through school regardless of how bad their grades are in order to meet their district pass rate quotas. They intentionally set the bar low so they can have a high pass rate and look good to the school boards + the state.

[@SaltySpark]

I dropped out of school in 10th grade with .5 credits. That was in 2003. I didn't do ANY school work from 6th to 9th grade and they passed me right on through. Dropped out. Went to work. I'm smarter than 90% of what would have been my graduating class, and I'm not in student loan debt 😂 school was a fucking joke and a huge waste of time. After you get reading and basic math down, it's all propagandized bullshit anyhow. Anyone else's high school text book leave out the part where Lincoln was a Republican?

[@id2k.]

Diversity is our strength.

[@interycreeper5108]

That is BRUTAL. How is the law not requiring a minimum grade average for a student to pass to the next grade?

[@cbr3220]

George Carlin was right.

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

I'm sure all we need to do is give the schools more money.

[@SilentButDudley]

I think the craziest part is we now live in a time when information and everything someone needs to learn is freely accessible yet no one is using it.

[@bananajoe9951]

Because there's no stamped paper (degree) that says you know what you say you know and learned what you say you learned. If interviews were more geared to testing the applicants knowledge instead of the degree checkbox, I feel this would change. Employers don't want to do that because it puts a burden on them instead of solely the applicant.

[@LoveHateBlame]

@@bananajoe9951 i dont know what interviews youve been in..but every one of mine has been based upon my cv..which is my knowledge and abilities. Their was no degree checkbox unless youre going for a job that needs a degree..in that case the degree checkbox would already be assumed...and then you still have an interview based upon your knowledge. It genuinely sounds like you havnt had many interviews.

[@BootyFish]

⁠@@bananajoe9951let’s be honest, we’re not talking about people with degrees or any chance of getting one here. If you had a degree you’d know that degrees are more than just a slip of paper. They’re proof the knowledge you have has been tested, that you received it from legitimate sources, that you know how to research shit and grow your knowledge beyond doing a quick google search, and that you dedicated years to the subject.

[@BootyFish]

@@bananajoe9951 the degree says to the employer “this person has already been educated, trained and tested in this specific field of work” that’s literally what the degree is for. if the employer wants to double check that’s fine. If the employer wants to hire people without a degree and do a proficiency test instead that’s fine too. Many do. My dad has a degree in culinary arts and is now an associate board member for an engineering firm. No degree in engineering at all. These kids have access to all the information this planet has to offer at their fingertips and can’t even read. It has literally nothing to do with degrees being required or not.

[@JoeKing69]

ikr! MIT Open Courseware ftw!!!

[@dumoneyyy]

I know Asmon is laughing, but this is legitimately the saddest shit Ive heard all day

[@GreatRaijin]

Yea this is actually sad

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

he wont be laughing in 20 years when these kids are his nurses and doctors. the competence crisis is real and its coming.

[@Machiovel]

@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 no that will be the job of immigrants that are more educated and probably do it for lower pay....

[@TwinnNolaa19]

@@kreenbopulusmichael7205do you really believe these individuals will make it through undergrad, let alone med school?

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

@@TwinnNolaa19 well yeah ? they'll continue lowering the standards as theyve been doing for decades now.

[@Molix1981]

The sad part is, that is not only kids that are stupid, most adults share the podium with them too..

[@Mesjach]

And then we wonder why democracy isn't working so well...

[@jdarokhajiit9153]

Big facts

[@Misaki896]

@@Mesjach no its working great, you now have a nation of non-critically thinking consumers who can do simple tasks

[@SaneMillennial]

@@MesjachYep our country can only remain free and strong if we have a smart, motivated and moral society, and all of this has been slipping for a while now...

[@charlesreid2354]

The kids aren't stupid, the government is just going out of their way to make sure the future generation has no education....gee I wonder what they're planning....

[@notoriousrjg9257]

Teacher here, I can absolutely confirm this. I teach 7-12 art, and yeah I already know what some may say regarding art and it's importance. But you'd be amazed at kids who can't tell you how to mix colors, don't know shapes, cant color inside lines and who can't even properly use a ruler as a straight edge. Covid may have exasperated the situation, but policies over the last 15-20 years are absolutely the root cause. Passing kids who aren't proficient, not following through on disciplinary actions and giving slaps on the wrist instead of actual consequences, normalizing kids being in their phone all day, ending homework, normalizing kids cussing at teachers like a dog and excusing it as "issues verbalizing conflict", absolutely zero parental involvement. I could go on. Our educational system isn't just broken, it's shattered into pieces. I graduated in 2008, and I'm relatively new to teaching (only been in the game about 5 years), and never in my 34 years of life have I seen a generation who have so little control over their actions, impulses or language. An absolute absence of empathy, and the inability to accept being told no. Teacher pay is an issue, but before taxes I take home about 45k a year, and I get by just fine by living below my means and strict budgeting. Throwing money at it isn't a be-all-end-all to the problem. Simply going back to policies where students are held accountable, held to a high standard and held responsible for their actions will kill a number of the issues currently plaguing the education system

[@scarlettrose842]

I knew a couple kids just like this and it was 100% due to parents neglecting their kids. The reason the disabled kids are doing better is probably because their parents are actually actively working with them at home. So many parents nowadays are too glued to their own devices or too self involved to actually help their kids learn anything while at home. Both parents having to work also causes issues. People are too tired after work. This is why traditional families had one working parent but nowadays people can't afford to have only one parent working. It's really sad. The family structure is breaking down and that is one of the beginning signs of societal collapse.

[@naymeda8716]

the family structure isn't breaking down, it's just a matter of education and discipline. Like asmon said, it's partly cultural and i don't think the 40h/week working chinese parents neglects their child because they are tired, they are working that much to pay for supplementary courses (as in korea for instance) Its really simple : ppl in the US are garbage

[@scarlettrose842]

@@naymeda8716 You really can't simplify a huge societal issue by saying everyone in a certain country is garbage. That's just an uneducated stupid opinion to put it bluntly. And btw this isn't a problem that's secluded to just the U.S.

[@naymeda8716]

@@scarlettrose842 tell me you're from the US without actually telling it

[@scarlettrose842]

@@naymeda8716 Proud of it too 😊

[@naymeda8716]

@@scarlettrose842 you should not

[@ozcarp92]

I was born in Venezuela, nothing made me want to learn English like video games did. First it was Pokemon games then Legend of Zelda games, then Warcraft 3. Eventually I started playing WoW on private servers with people that only spoke English. Getting on ventrillo and TS with them really fucking solidified my understanding of the language. Video games were always the motivator.

[@Samagachi]

Can confirm. I learned how to read earlier than any other kids my mom knew (i think) because i played mario’s early years: fun with letters on the snes

[@FelixDaleth]

Same. WC3 and WoW with vent did wonders for my English. Even though I was listening to various broken English accents of other teens from all over Europe. Portunglish, Danglish, Serbglish, Germanglish. And yet it worked! ^^

[@decorumlopez9147]

Man, condolences. WC3 was my forever game, until they "improved" it.

[@mattallred]

99% chance all these "kids who can't read" have all played video games, even ones including reading. I doubt this is about ability, I think it's about self-motivation. They don't want to do well in school because it's "not cool." Of course they can read, they all text, use social media, computers. They just hate school.

[@mrsnowmelt]

Bro I learned so much from my DS, playing Animal Crossing I needed to learn a lot of words to properly communicate with my villagers!

[@VelvetAura]

People really underestimate how important learning is in the developmental stages. I think a lot of people just don't spend the time raising their kids during that formative period when all their neural pathways are being made, and with the distractions brought by our current times this unfortunately makes a lot of sense.

[@northcountrywoodcraftny5953]

That and lockdown caused a massive upheaval in American schools, i was in 11th grade when the lockdown started and school basically halted, we barely had to do anything, teachers had no idea what they were doing with distanced learning, and didnt seem to care so kids that didnt want to do school just didnt, in my grade it didnt affect things much but the younger it gets the more it leans on the parents and parents are horrible, most in my area are alcoholics and drug addicts so sending kids home is like an educational death sentence.

[@TheMastermind729]

That’s precisely why I’m so stupid

[@OdinWannaBe]

Yeah like pushing away important subject like sexual education when its supposed to be done around 3-4 years old. People want their kid to be ''innocent'' but it only results in ignorance and stupidity.

[@seekittycat]

When I was a kid my parents/grandparents just sat me infront of the tv and come change and rewind the tape whenever the movie ends. Nobody took me outside, gave me a bath, or talked to me cause all the women were working and all the men were drinking/smoking/gambling. They still don't understand why I was slow to develop, must be all the vaccines and GMOs.

[@OdinWannaBe]

@@seekittycat Well said, you had to raw dog reality when entering late teenager years,

[@StaticSuper]

Class of 2018 here. When I was in biology, probably my 1st or 2nd year of HS. My teacher was going over the Human body structure and describing how your muscles control your skeletal system. Basically doing an overview of things we have already previously learned. Pretty standard stuff in my opinion. My classmate raised their hand to ask a question and said "What do you mean? Aren't Muscles and Bones the same thing?". I was speechless to say the least. I was sad honestly. I always worked hard in school, and then there was someone sitting next to me asking that question. It really felt like I had been betrayed. I had always known some weren't the brightest and that's ok. But to be blatantly ignorant overall was an insult to the amount of effort I put in. I'm way past it now, but at the time it happened it just hit me harder than it should have I guess.

[@johnmoore1495]

I had a girl in my basic anatomy class in college ask if it was true if you squeezed your thumb in your first that it stops your gag reflex. Everyone laughed obviously, but I’m like did you really just tell on yourself like that?

[@konaqua122]

I'll gladly have your classmate than mine during college. Mine doesn't talk at all. Doesn't ask questions, doesn't really read or pay attention to the teacher then by the end of the semester. He failed. He then started asking the questions, "How did I fail? Can I do anything like a special project to pass?" I just shook my head. If only he asked questions, then at least he would know the answers to the tests.

[@kitschydotpre4302]

@@johnmoore1495 I've actually heard that one. It works a little bit. Good for when you're at the dentist.

[@bigbubba0439]

I know how you feel. You get dragged down and slowed down by morons because the school system is ass

[@hiskyg8127]

Bro, just get your head down and carry on. Don't worry about mouth breathers - you'll meet them at all stages of your life.

[@emanueljose7165]

I was raised by a single mother and I was one of these brain dead kids in middle and high school. If it wasn’t for video games I would absolutely still be brain dead. Video games was the only reason I learned to read at a high level and understand how to do basic math. Luckily I made it to college, public college but I got further than I was probably supposed considering all of the disadvantages I had. It’s doable. All a kid really needs is attention. Once you give them that you’ll be surprised what they’re capable of. I agree the teachers need to be paid more, but she’s 100% right it boils down to the parents. If all you’re gonna do as a parent is work and feed them, it’s not enough. You have to show you care.

[@insanitygear4334]

This so much. I have a high functioning form of Autism and my mother and father never got together so I was raised by my mother and all she did was work and smoke and send me to special needs. Like I get get it, I have autism but, doesn't mean I was stupid just my thoughts ran a little slower.

[@Dailyfiver]

I was reading at a great level as a kid, but DUDE I swear to god playing Minecraft multiplayer tripled my typing and reading speeds. Video games also help me be fast and decisive.

[@someoneinthecrowd4313]

@@insanitygear4334 Same here. My thoughts go slow and things take longer to register and I take some time to answer... But I delve deep into the stuff I think about and really explore it, and sort of go on tangents in my mind.

[@phok5178]

What game taught this to you?

[@canonfodder-mq6ro]

Lol

[@jasonalessio1058]

I think the breakdown of the family is impactful. It's very rare to find parents that aren't divorced and all the 'troublemakers' in my school came from broken homes.

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

It's capitalism, who has time to parent when you're working every day of the week to keep a roof over your head

[@Hezkun]

It's bc people think you gotta get married and gotta have kids as if it's a path in life everyone takes, I swear some parents barely even love each other and I'm like ???? Why did you fuckin marry each other while being clueless about WHO THE OTHER PERSON IS???

[@mystraunt2705]

@Hezkun Because people mistake love with lust. Seriously so many people I know think love is either that or just the feeling inside when you are around a certain person, as if that feeling lasts forever lol. People dont know what love is anymore.

[@jue3719]

@@MrTeaTwoSugarsinflation also exists, by the way.

[@thevics123]

@@MrTeaTwoSugarsmy parents did it. Plenty of others did too. It's not capitalism. That just feels like you're finding an excuse for the absence of parenting.

[@KittyCatMeowMeowTime]

I struggled with Algebra so much that my parents had to put me in a different school. After changing schools I excelled. The school I was in was failing me. However, when I failed math I was held back to repeat the whole grade. I can't comprehend schools pushing students up through the grades if they're unable to perform basic cognitive skills.

[@LumbyMcGumby]

They put me into special ed because of trauma when I was in preschool. They kept removing me from special ed, but everytime I would enter a new grade they would hard reset and reevaluate me over again. Every year they would do this and take me out of special ed again. My senior year they finally fixed it. School systems are fun.

[@TheRealTrucido]

At least you didnt shoot up the school bro.

[@otdeSai]

@@TheRealTrucido 💀

[@jitterdaoc9512]

@@TheRealTrucido ?wtf

[@benjaworld2804]

@@TheRealTrucidobruh 0-100 real quick.

[@USS_Sentinel]

What year did you graduate?

[@Verycoolguy1337]

Im from sweden and i got horror stories from school too. For 2 years our spanish lessons consisted of watching zorro in english with swedish subs where they say si senor sometimes. Stupid politics makes it illegal to cancel french,german or spanish classes(schools legally have to offer it , they had no qualified teacher). A sane society wouldve let us switch to french or german instead

[@F3nres]

I had the same Spanish class experience here in America lol

[@xtv62]

Got a similar experience, I'm from France and we spent almost an entire school year to watch the movie West Side Story with subs in English lessons. The two years before, we kept listening to crappy cassette tapes in a super echoey classroom with a teacher that refused to speak French, so nobody could understand her or her lessons...

[@dezmodium]

If that is your horror story then you don't understand how good you got it in Sweden. That's minor league stuff.

[@dezmodium]

For the record, I failed math in my freshment year of high school (8th year for you Euros). So I took a makeup class where they did not teach us the geometry or advanced arithmetic. Then after that I was behind for the next three years and my school didn't want to have students bring down their stats on student success so they just gave me a passing grade. I have an 7th grade math level. I struggled so much in college and eventually just got my math requirements in statistics because the math in that field can be pretty straightforward.

[@Ryan38475]

@@dezmodium i mean in those times cant u just learn from youtube? theres basically everything u need in a better form :|

[@keldon_champion]

One of my buddies decided he wanted to teach HVAC (we are both commercial hvac and refrigeration techs) at a local high schools vocational program. He quit and came back after 2 months because he was sick of dealing with 17 and 18 year olds that can't do basic math He told me he was spending more time teaching these kids to add and subtract than anything else, he even told me he had a few kids staying after class that he was trying to teach to add single digit numbers with paper clips. He quit because he just could do it, it was too frustrating when he supposed to teach them one thing but they don't have the basic knowledge prerequisites to understand what he is teaching them. Which he is right because one of the most basic concepts in A/C and refrigeration is superheat and subcooling (the simple versions of this is the temp above and below the boiling point of a substance) and you can't understand these concepts if you can't add and subtract. It's sad because we are really quickly moving towards the movie idiocracy being real life and it is alarming.

[@jkutyna]

And the system today is set up to only push these kids through from one grade to another, despite knowing nothing, passing no tests, showing no academic achievement or competency. They just keep matriculating upwards while being left far behind the learning curve. It is the system that reinforces this, and no single teacher can buck the trend or try to repair it. It is endemic.

[@MysteriousFuture]

Then, if the trend continues uninterrupted, the civilization will fully collapse within 100 years after all the experts in their respective fields die out

[@ZeallustImmortal]

This isnt new nor is it getting worse

[@keldon_champion]

@@ZeallustImmortal this is of course anecdotal because it's only my experience but I don't remember a single kid from my high school class that couldn't add/subtract single digits. In a addition as a father who sees these kids on a regular basis and speaks with the teachers the tasks that these kids are being given are simpler than what I was given at the same age, they have more resources available to them than I ever dreamed of, yet the failure rate is substantially higher. So I don't agree with you at all that the problem isn't getting worse.

[@Theultramadman]

@@jkutynanot for my education & school, they make sure you understand and learn

[@SGT_Squid_Dog]

Yeah, this sounds right. I don't want to sound like *that* guy, but the librarians were always surprised to see someone walk into the library without being asked by another teacher. I was very competitive in the AR scene where kids read books and took quizzes on them to show that they read it, but also for points and end-of-the-year rewards. So, I binged Harry Potter books starting in 4th grade and finished by 5th because there were some other books I wanted to read like Hatchet. I always won 1st place pizza parties for myself and sometimes my class by myself with a large margin. Even when classes were competing for shared AR point scores, me taking a test on a Harry Potter book was like the ace up the sleeve. Looking back on it, I can't tell if people only liked me for the awards I won or if they actually liked me as a person. I was always just sitting alone in my classes, finishing work before everyone else and then reading and then having to explain to the teachers that I did my work only for them to give me more work to do at home which I instead just finished in their class. To my memory, no other kid got this treatment because most of them did the bare minimum to be considered done working and then do homework with their friend group outside of class to avoid getting more homework. In the schools I went to, it just felt like nobody wanted to be there and they just wanted to go home, which is understandable to an extent as they were kids, but most of them said "I don't know" about what they wanted to do in the future and brushed off the question entirely if another student asked.

[@LBK978]

I also picked up Harry Potter and got a ton of AR points. I fell in love with the series and read it all the same year in 6th grade. The librarian was an asshole and accused me of cheating (cause skimming through hundreds of pages to ace a computer test with no other access to the internet was very doable). My homeroom teacher had to come and defend that I always read in my free time. That happened 17 years ago and I still remember that insult to my intelligence.

[@scottianson5133]

I loved books and the bullies would never come to the library. Win win.

[@AntonKlermon]

A history lesson taught by a football trainer is the most American thing i can imagine.

[@L1PV]

My history teacher was the baseball coach. I learned more about baseball than I did history.

[@LordEverlost]

The department of education and teachers unions have done more damage to this country than Isis or Al-Qaeda could ever have even dreamed of achieving.

[@SlimeyCube26]

I had a football coach teaching geometry, and apparently he has to teach something to coach the football team at the school

[@HotMudrs]

Our football coach did PE and health. Went alright.

[@TheGeoff]

Some of the coaches were amoung the best teachers at my school. Some of them absolutely phoned it in just to be able to coach

[@chrismcmeekin9943]

I remember the aptitude tests we took in 5th grade, most of my friends and I tested at a level that was 3-4 grades above us in almost every subject. We all thought it was kind of a joke, because we didn't get great grades or feel particularly smarter than anyone else, we just didn't really care. This was the 90s, so I know things have changed, but there's a world of difference between flunking a class because you don't care, and not knowing what state you live in. I can't count the number of times I've heard the phrase "He would easily pass the class if he would just apply himself." This sounds like an entirely separate problem, this isn't just kids failing to apply themselves, it's much worse.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it's the same issue, just cranked to 11. They just don't care because most teachers don't care either

[@tugboat6940]

Pretty sure we all know what state we live. Your entire post is hyperbole. Relax smarty pants.

[@j.s.8780]

​@@tugboat6940I want you to keep that same energy when people start watering plants with gatorade and can't figure out why the plants are dying.

[@schnapps2241]

@@j.s.8780 movies arent real life, relax.

[@FullLooter]

@@tugboat6940You didnt watch the video

[@no-pajamapanda8548]

That bit about Asmon being in school and his school used to lump the foreign language kids with the special needs kids is so on point. Back in the 90s, my school did the same thing to my brother. My family has just returned from being posted overseas. My brother spoke only French. They put him in special needs and said he had a speech disorder because he spoke "gibberish". My parents pointed out that it was an actual language he was speaking, and the school just stared at my parents like they said the sun was green. They genuinely didn't see how messed up their decision was.

[@malakianknight]

I bet they did it because of the money. Not because they actually thought your brother had a problem.

[@vielara]

My elementary school spent years trying to stick me in ESL classes because of my Hispanic last name. I was born and raised in the US and only spoke English at home. It's all about getting more money by having more kids in ESE or ESL classes.

[@kingcole5977]

Insert “pas mal non, c'est français” meme here

[@MrsDragonChef]

They gave your parents that fluoride stare lmao

[@AmazingAutist]

​@@malakianknightwhat money?

[@Insomni_maniac]

What's even more scary is that those kids will be allowed to VOTE and REPRODUCE! The movie "Idiocracy" was a prophecy.

[@OThePestO]

I'm a teacher too, and I think one of the biggest problems is that kids can't fail. No matter what grade they get, they are just moved on to the next class. Everyone's just passing the buck.

[@Kyles_Money]

Is this part of the No Child Left Behind thing?

[@filipbitala2624]

Then here comes europe where kids can get downgraded twice in middle school, and might not get into highschool if they not Good enough

[@jamesp1389]

Huh really? In Australia people get held back or put in assisted learning programs that help you keep up

[@LukeD02]

Here in Europe (Belgium, at least), if you have less than 50% on even one subject, they could fail you and you'd have to do redo your entire year, depending on whether or not you've put in effort such as taking notes, asking for additional support after class, and what % you eventually ended up getting on the subject(s) you've failed. They could also give you extra tasks that you must complete during summer break if they're feeling like you don't quite deserve to repeat your year, but you should at least brush up on the stuff you've seen that year. As a result, most kids at least try to get 50% and don't turn out to be like the ones described in the video.. Very sad to hear about the current state of education in the U.S and I sincerely hope some change gets made in the near future.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

@@LukeD02Our country likes to worry too much about the rest of the world’s affairs more so than it’s own, internally.

[@chriskarpetas]

While I went to school for English (as a second language up to B1 level), what really pushed me to almost native-level was my obsession with D&D since I was 12. Having to read all the rule books and campaign settings (and later on, novels, because I was a massive D&D nerd) enriched my vocab, reading and writing skills to insane levels, to the point where some years later I went and aced the C1 certification tests without actually having to study at all. Kids nowdays seem to have no hobbies other than scrolling on their phones.

[@lukebomber]

Thats very reminisant of how I learned very good english by watching minecraft youtube. For reference, my language (danish) bassically doesn't exist online, or it exists and its bad. So this forced me to learn english because I liked the videoes anyway, and I guess I passively learned. I would also obviously read a lot of english when online or playing games. Btw, nice profile picture. I loved Henry Hatsworth in the Puzzling Adventure when I was a kid on my nintendo DS

[@bensheard3969]

It's really a testament to how poor parenting is right now that we have all of this information but handing them a glowing rectangle is easier so parents just do that and hope the Internet can raise their kids

[@caimang3194]

I learned english so i can play runescape 😅 now i speak it fluently

[@PanagiotisPolitis-bl9xj]

My main driving force for learning English at a C2 level was to be able to play video games

[@SoraClontz]

I learned English via multiple, MULTIPLE JRPGS. Earlier my little bros were struggling with English I gave them some of my RPGs and he started getting A's B's compared to D's and F's.

[@wvutrip3931]

Parents absolutely have a duty in their child’s education. As much or more than teachers. I came home and my parents helped me with homework, they read to me when I was young and made me read when I got older, they quizzed me. And most of my friends parents did the same. My graduating class had 30% over a 3.8 gpa in almost all honors classes. Everyone of my friend got a academic scholarship to college and now are successful. Every single one. Parents need to step up. And this was public school in WV. We aren’t talking about some expensive private school. And now those kids I grew with up have children of their own and doing the same thing with their kids.

[@bestieswithtesties]

1000%. I started out as a great student, my teachers repeatedly pressured me into more advanced courses in elementary and middle school. But once I got to highschool my entire focus shifted to my social life and talking to girls. I stopped doing homework, stopped paying attention in class cause I was always texting, even started skipping classes. My parents reaction? Pretty much told me "hey stop it" I was like sure okay. Except I didnt stop and they just never said or did anything. By my senior year I almost didn't have enough credits to graduate. Point being if my parents had actually been good parents back then and kept me on track I would've been so much more academically successful. Without proper guidance most kids left to their own devices do not make good decisions.

[@Pedgo1986]

@@bestieswithtesties You are right but also this nonsense got so far and and mentality shifted that once you try discipline your kid or even pressure them to learn basics you are open to CPS. One sentence in school activist teacher overhearing kid telling his friend how parent took his PS because he got F in math or something and you are f... . Also asmo is right teachers are paid shi. but most of the are s...ty teachers. Especially new ones who are product of same broken system. School is not educational institution but political incubator. Guess why so many politicians are against school choice.

[@TruthLivesforever-il6dj]

I did well in school and school is meaningless since a basic job can't pay for the basics, until school pays money then it's essentially useless

[@gunnerbither7786]

Could only pray for a parent like that instead of a absent dad and a ex addict of a mother 😂☠️

[@Ilive_420]

No matter how hard I tried to study, I couldn't remember stuff that were uninteresting to me. What would've helped would be teachers that cared and realised there's something with me not being able to remember and switching numbers up etc. Before that I had teachers who were mad at me for being bad at math lol and never looking at the root of the problem, just told me "study harder". There were even teachers who talked behind my back calling me stupid (to other students as well). Turns out I got 156 IQ, but I have dyscalculia and adhd lol. It was in university when I found out, because for the first time teachers actually cared.

[@DarkDragonSlayer]

1:08: i can totally relate to this. i was at a middle school where, as someone with adhd and autism, was in a school with regular classes and then got my iep (individual education plan) read wrong after i was put in a special ed class where everyone who had an iep, was stuck there, and was disabled, i.e. a kid who was older than me and was mute, or someone who liked to rock their body in place while sitting in their non-rocking chair and it was just a regular school chair they got, until i got put back into somewhat regular classes where the kids function similarly to me or better than me, and had other classes than being stuck in just 1 class where i functioned better than most of the kids who were able to only have that one class (of course it was supervised which is understandable). edit: for the other people who are also disabled, they will understand, too, that a disabled person may perform better in some things a lot better than someone, who, for instance, has autism as well, can perform better than someone who isn't disabled at all, which will happen from time to time.

[@knowwhoiamyet]

School didn't fail me (Rural Canada) but I can absolutely say that School is not 100% responsible for a child's education. Learning doesn't stop after the bell rings, it goes on constantly. Not just academically, but socially, morally, etc. I learned a lot of things from my hobbies. Granted, many of them were video games related, but still. I learned a lot of reading from Pokemon. Back in generation 1, those stupid moves like Wrap, Bind, etc., would always say "the attack continues!" I pronounced it as "Contoonst" I had no idea what I was reading. I was 4 or 5 years old, my words weren't that long yet, not consistently. But eventually I learned it. Runescape taught me how to type, but also what slang even is. "Ty." "np" and the general emotes like smiles and the like, the classics. A ton of games taught me intuition and how to feel things out. Throwing a grenade in a game, bouncing it off of a wall. Momentum in a racing game, etc. Toss the Turtle/Kitten Cannon, games that parents would call gross, dumb, bad for kids, etc., because they were... Well, gross, taught me how to angle for the best distance, how to budget my resources to maximize the use out of it, when to use what... Video games don't make kids academically smart, but it sure doesn't make them stupid either. If you get someone to engage with something in a meaningful way, they WILL come out of it for the better, even if it's just something small like a better understanding of time budgeting, or reflexes.

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

Video games actually has helped me a lot. It definitely has help my reading get better, also help problem solve things. I actually was shock some people have trouble completing tears of the kingdom shrine puzzles by themselves. When I adopt children (maybe) I will definitely make them play RPG games.

[@insensitive919]

Or Story-telling. I know I got into fantasy novels just because I played a Final Fantasy or two and wanted more. And as a tangent, I moved to Rural Saskatchewan from cities and large towns in junior high, back in the 90s, and our school was amazing. Not sure if it was just the brand new school or govt dumping tons of oil money into it at the time, but the small town culture was definitely better for my anxiety. Either way, I think we lucked out man.

[@thastayapongsak4422]

If kids with learning disability do better than kids without. Maybe it's time to reverse that label.

[@itsyeaboi5333]

which is why im against the misuse of the r word because its being misattributed and does a disservice to people who actually have those disabilities

[@mysticflow467]

well she said years ago, her 5th grade disabled people do better than her current 7th graders. so it's not a current time comparison.

[@hijo5966]

@@itsyeaboi5333 If anything, the r word is better used to describe normies lmao

[@johnrowloff5661]

she literally said comparing the 5th graders with disabilities back then to 7th graders now you not listen at all?@@mysticflow467

[@veonncaines7063]

​@@mysticflow467surely

[@michaelrondan9481]

I will never forget my first day of senior year in an American School. My Physics teacher asked a girl while smiling when was the war of 1812. Her immediate response was "How the hell am I supposed to know that this is a science class!" I will never forget this.

[@1stvinyl]

😂😂😂

[@Hazetheassassin]

tbh history knowledge is the most worthless skill to have , math,reading on other end is super important

[@beatthebyte7058]

​@@Hazetheassassinmight want to consolidate your reading and comprehension skills mate

[@camolot2102]

​@@Hazetheassassinthat's not the point....., also day to day life yah math and reading is essential but history is super important aswell, the greatest lessons can be taught by the failures of the past.

[@paulodelima5705]

@@Hazetheassassin To understend the present you need to known the past.

[@jkutyna]

My mother was a high school math teacher for decades, thankfully for her, it was back before the kids turned to crap. I saw very closely the teacher side of the school as I was growing up consequently and I can guarantee to you that the problem is not our teachers. Well not all of them, yes there are those that would rather spend all day long indoctrinating your children rather than teaching them to read or write. The real problem is at home. These are the kids who were never told no growing up, never spanked or disciplined for acting badly. Billy is a good example in Asmon's video. He was getting away with the bad behavior till he was made an example of. The parents at home don't care, aren't invested in their own children, and for all practical purposes don't even know that their 15 year old is illiterate and does nothing but spend all day on some shooter game or tiktok streams and has zero ambition in life. Teachers cannot fix that when the fundamental problem is starting at home. Asmon hits the nail on the head. When I was young, every kind in America wanted to be an astronaut or an engineer. Now all they want to be is a sports star, youtube streamer, or professional video game player. You can throw in rapper or tv personality too I suppose. Nobody wants to be the person to cure cancer. No kids are running around with the dream of building rockets that will land us on other planets. China on the other hand. China produces more than 40 times as many engineers from college each year than the USA does. We are producing nonsense like gender studies, history, and political science majors. That has long term ramifications on the entire society and country as a whole.

[@justjoshp8581]

I don't think kids went to crap I think it really is the school system which has been the same for 100 plus years. I dropped out in 10th grade for reasons but they never gave me classes on stuff I actually wanted to do on life. Another thing is we put so much uneeded pressure to have great grades, being in school was the most miserable times of my life

[@bz0rrr]

@@justjoshp8581 what classes would have aligned with what you wanted to do in life?

[@justjoshp8581]

@@bz0rrr more music classes and tech classes I produce music now, but me dropping out was for a whole different thing

[@deathbringer9893]

​@justjoshp8581 most kids just dont give a shit if what happend to billy happend to some kids in my class they would not give a shit and continue to just shit talk

[@Pholoxo]

China isn't producing 40 times it's more like 3.5 times but they're also a very larger country

[@dingoledingus9039]

I remember being in school and when the teacher would have us read paragraphs there were so few kids who could read well and pronounce words correctly. This was up into high school. It was painful hearing them read so slowly and get stuck on really simple words...its crazy that now its gotten even worse.

[@VibbSnibb]

Reading out loud from a book is so much worse than reading by urself haha… Me myself have a big problem talking infront of many ppl, so I stuttered(?) a lot when I had to read out loud, but was completely fine reading by myself

[@facundosilva2449]

How old are you now?

[@dingoledingus9039]

@@facundosilva2449 I'm a millennial, so booking 40.

[@oddbot3]

I read and pronounce words fluently, my only problem is I stutter

[@sawdust8691]

In high-school there were a good percentage of kids that could barely read and pronounce. Keep in mind I'm not talking simple stuttering when reading aloud, I'm talking legitimate trouble reading. And heaven forbid they try to read their own handwriting. If they can't do that by graduation I fear their lack of knowledge on anything. Thankfully in my school at least the vast majority of students weren't like this. But its scary how many there were. This was in 2017-2019, around there. And it only gets worse.

[@Vyyc-m9g]

There is actually a pretty good chance that social media is making kids dumber.

[@guest1754]

I would blame smart phones as well, because it gives instant access to social media. 15-20 years ago we also had social media, but one had to log in to a PC in order to use it. Social media apps fuck with attention span, which can become a full blown learning disability if not addressed. The sad truth is that it's not kids' fault, as parents (and the school system) should've known better.

[@eXcaligore]

You are right, sadly. But I agree with Guest1754 that it's the parents and schools job to work with that issue and provide solutions. Not to get the kid graduated but to get them educated.

[@NB-sy4jc]

I don't think it's even a chance at this point. I think this is now anecdotal evidence lol

[@spiritbx1337]

It's likely a contributing factor, but it's unlikely that it's the main one. It just adds even more fuel to an already roaring dumpster fire.

[@Aosk36]

I think it's more that there are more distractions nowadays, social media included. A lot of entertainment at the palms of your hands, while i only had a game boy and old consoles with 1 game that lasted for many months. Also I didn't have tons of movies and series that i could watch at any time. I had to go to Blockbuster. You could only entertain yourself with that for so long.

[@Uhaneole]

This all started when they went “no kid left behind” mentality. Because the plan was to raise everyone to proper levels, BUT it ended up being “fuck it no one fails no matter how stupid they are”because the schools didn’t want to lose funding.

[@FuhzyLiquids]

This all started when parenting became giving ur kids a cellphone and having the Internet raise youth.

[@emilka2033]

Exactly. In my English class my senior year, about half the class left with a TA during tests to help them pass. But why?? They were not disabled or anything like that either, they just had really bad grades. If a 17/18 year old cannot answer an essay prompt that needs to be 4-7 sentences long, then they simply should not be graduating!

[@Misaki896]

whole point of common core

[@bobbycrosby9765]

As someone who loves math, common core math is awesome - at least at the elementary level. It tries to teach actual understanding rather than just rote memorization.

[@wojakthecrusader1410]

​@@FuhzyLiquidstrue i am not american but honestly i am glad i grew up with a loving mother who taught me how to read and speak basic vocabulary at the age 4-5 and also i don't grow up with internet back then until 2009 the first phone i ever had was a nokia (i forgot the model) i sold the phone in 2012(i don't remember) and the only social media i used to have is facebook and yahoo mail.

[@Eksile8]

I was one of those kids that "fell through the cracks." I was a troubled kid, abused at home, and we moved a lot because we were broke. I had a job at 13 and have worked most of my life. We couldn't afford health care, and I later learned I had an auditory learning and processing disorder... which makes sense now, but I didn't know back then. I graduated learning division, but I excelled in every other class. In plano back in the 90s, if you couldn't keep up with the curriculum, they would put you in SpEd and detention or in school suspension. All of the things I should've learned in school, I ended up self-taught after I graduated high school. I spent the remainder of my time in detention, pulling books from the library that interested me, like college level psychology books.

[@Akrymir]

Her kid is extremely relevant to the point. You don't need great teachers to get students to have age appropriate skills, you just need teachers and parents who actually care.

[@pinkteacrotchdweller6869]

Must be hard to care as a teachers when you have to buy out of pocket the supplies that should be provided by the school to do you work while also being underpaid, and also having to deal with kids who can't behave because the parents couldn't be bothered to raise

[@Akrymir]

@@pinkteacrotchdweller6869 100% Agree. In no way am I laying the blame at the feet of teachers (at least for many, there will always be some bad teachers). They are horribly underpaid, understaffed, and are not allowed to deal with problem children in a meaningful way.

[@TheDarkLasombra]

IMO you only need a great teacher for kids with special needs. Almost the rest of the time, the student's success will be based on how much effort the parents put in. Even an average intelligence person can get through with good grades as long as their teacher is baseline quality.

[@matrixcom69]

I've had caring teachers. It worked on me. I studied harder and put in more effort than normal, but half of the other students still gave no shits and messed around in class still.

[@Akrymir]

@@TheDarkLasombra Yeah, I'd agree that special needs need special teachers. I wasn't really referring to them in this situation, but it's definitely true.

[@Quadrophiniac]

Man I'm 33 years old and this was the case back when I was in school as well. I always hated when they would make us read out loud in chunks, cause half the class could barely read and it took fucking forever to get through it

[@lalaland2107]

Damn I’m 28 and it was like that for me too!!!! So fucking frustrating..

[@someoneinthecrowd4313]

24 and so relatable. The girl who was the worst at reading when we were like 10 ended up becoming a drug addict.

[@andreasfort1599]

Or when they don’t annunciate the words.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

What you see: Can you read well? What people taught with whole word see: 간 유 리드 왜르?

[@kellygriffin8232]

There is a 19-year-old girl at my work that literally said the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard the other day and she does and says something dumb every single day so I said to her one day “thank God you were pretty“ and she didn’t get that either. But we were talking about the difference between bugs in the north and the south and I said “I’ve lived in Alabama and Georgia” and I think that she thought I said I have lived in Alabama IN Georgia…. So she responds with (and say this in the most valid airhead voice u can imagine) “are u sure Alabama’s in Georgia??? I’m pretty sure Alabama is in Texas…. U need to google that bc I’m sure ur wrong.” And she said it w the most serious face and all I could do was stare at her with my jaw dropped open and she just kept saying “what?? What is it??? What’s wrong??” And I said “ur kidding right?? Like ur fucking w me right?” And she said “what do u mean?? I’m sorry to call you out like that in front of everyone if that’s what ur upset about.” And I said “YOU called ME out????!!! Honey ALABAMA IS IN FUCKING ALABAMA!!!!”

[@firebolt100]

Lmfao!!! And I thought I met some dumb folk 🤭 Like…. I tell some sarcastic and deadpan jokes but avoid sharing them with coworkers who just don’t understand. The silliest encounter I’ve ever experienced was my high school classmates asking a girl (12th year) how much she benched. Her response: “I don’t play baseball!” (She associated benches with baseball; not the bench press)

[@30noir]

They make them like that in England, too. In the office the brunette airhead once said to me 'Shakespeare didn't write Macbeth!' and we all went quiet because we knew what followed was going to be good. I said 'ok, who did write it' and she says 'Hamlet'.

[@godpop]

That would only make sense if she was a foreigner but I'm assuming she wasnt😂

[@swaggmaster615]

Yea alabama is in new york like get it right 🤓

[@abaque24]

‘Thank god you are pretty’?? Ew.

[@clarkkent459]

As a elementary student I have a difficult time with addition. I use to be able to add up the genders, but I'm so confused now..

[@RainnySkies]

The lack of literacy of the kids I went to HIGH SCHOOL with was extremely sad. We'd read a play or book out loud as a class, and some of these mfs would take ages just to get through a single paragraph...

[@jennybean1998]

Damn. That’s sad.

[@Zenocius]

Are they the spanish kids?

[@christopherozouf]

I'm 35 so I've been out of highschool for over a decade now. The same things happened back then and it's almost entirely on the parents. I found it so annoying to listen to others read I would volunteer to read out loud just to save myself from the frustration.

[@jazzratoon]

Embrassing...

[@kittenchristmas4194]

This is so true. You should be breezing through the reading by the time you're in high school, yet some of the people read at the speed of a first grader. You're better off just having people read to themselves. At least it's not as obvious.

[@Simiocrates]

Too many parents think that it's the schools (state) responsibility to teach their kids everything. Some of my kids 4th grade peers can barely read too but since we encouraged reading from an early age, my kid had read multiple books a year, every year. By the time she was done with 3rd grade she had read 5 and a half Harry Potter books. She only stopped reading the 6th one because she got bored because it's too "teenage" and she not interested

[@jaazz90]

I remember when I got to school I basically learned nothing until 8th or 9th grade, thanks mom. The hilarious thing is she is really bad with actual science, math, etc. Which just goes to show that all you need is to actually give a shit about your child, and spend some time teaching them how to learn.

[@JackCrossSama]

always teach your kids when you start something finish it even boring books, it helps your kids in the long run not to give up.

[@ShibaTheWeeb]

As a Gen Z, can confirm my parents never interacted with me and let me grew up with my Ipad

[@masterjoda999]

Probably a good stopping point for those books anyway.

[@specialedclass2982]

The only reason I’m not fully regarded is because I lived to read and my parents luckily could buy me all the books I wanted. Other than that i sucked at school. Gen z

[@jasoncanty4109]

I remember not paying attention to the multiplication tables in like grade 3 or 4 and didn't know them. The teacher told my parents, and I was grounded all weekend to learn them. When I came back to school Monday I had them memorized and was one of the best kids in class with them. I will be 40 years old next month and still remember this.

[@Clickwrap]

My school did this ice cream party thing where you would get 1 part of an ice cream sundae on the board for each of the multiplication table tests you passed. So like X0, X1, X2, etc. The kids who didn’t get more than the spoon and the bowl had to sit at a little table and eat nothing while the rest of the class had their sundaes, which was humiliating lol.

[@mryellow6918]

I fail to believe theyd let you leave primary school without being able to do multiplication.

[@drthmik]

@@mryellow6918 dude, they have removed all academic requirements to get into HARVARD UNIVERSITY Let alone get out of Elementary School

[@crazypills88]

Tik Tok brains. They can't focus more than 10 minutes without any stimulation. That's the reason.

[@sfarsitulumi]

I was fortunate enough to be around my grandparents as a child. Nobody talks about this, but having more than your parents to teach you about the world is very valuable as a child. Kids these days see their grandparents for 1 day a month.

[@wyzkun]

yeah for real. i think with parents so busy nowadays with both of the parents working which cannot be helped. we have no choice but to try and rely on the grandparents. my grandma teach me english to help me playing video games, been very thankful to her ever since.

[@saltycarl6581]

my mom never finished the 9th grade, was a very dumb fentanyl addict who didnt even make it to 55. You can take your kids to see her but mine will never know she existed.

[@choke-]

More like 1 day a year

[@solitary200]

I think its partially because housing has exploded in cost, so parents are forced to move further from grandparents.

[@aneeshramaswamy6283]

I see that most of the parents in upper-middle class neighborhoods routinely have grandparents visit to help with taking care of children and in general passing on wisdom. Hot take, with all the talk today about nuclear families, single-parent and broken families- I feel that we have all forgotten that the standard for most of human history was extended multigenerational households. If you think about it, obviously you don't want new parents to just mess up, you want generational resources, wealth and wisdom passed down from elders who have made the same mistakes that new parents will be making and will have much more time to devote to their grandchildren. It just seems to me that the people who are dumber and less financially well off are told to compete and not extract wisdom from their family lineage while more successful and financially well off parents take every advantage they possibly can to ensure the success of their offspring. This is basically what the rich do. They form much stronger cooperative bonds, be it in families or business, than the majority of the working public do. And what did humans learn to do with early in our evolutionary history- distribute labour among members in our family unit to maximize offspring success. Wolves, dogs and most socially intelligent animals do this. It's depressing that humans as a species cannot understand this basic concept.

[@Muffindounut]

Also, the scariest part to me is that these kids are gonna grow up, and gonna be able to vote on important things while potentially being not much smarter than they are now.

[@Sasori_322]

yeah..

[@marcogenovesi8570]

meh the current adults are already not smart enough to vote on important matters. This is mostly a problem for the workforce. These glorified monkeys are entering the workforce in a moment where the easiest jobs are being automated by machines so guess where they all go? Gangs and crime

[@Liam-ke2hv]

That's basically the goal of society, self-reinforcing feedback loop. Voters create the society, society creates the voters. Make them stupid so that they will always think and vote the way you persuade them to. Oh and make them think it's all their own idea as well, no manipulation going on here guys you're just fighting the good fight!

[@Fiascodini]

​@@Liam-ke2hvtheir*

[@TheSpray96]

IF they are even bothered to go vote...

[@benmorin4162]

We had this whole discussion yesterday with a woman who is a retired teacher who now works at Santa's village about how kids aren't taught the same way they used to be. i.e. drawing leads to learning shapes and symbols which leads to coding, leads to print writing, leads to cursive writing, etc. You stack knowledge and habits onto each other and build from a base upwards. Alot of that gets skipped. Alot of kids also aren't diagnosed with things like ADHD and don't get additional support where needed. I have ADHD which presents with certain coding issues, though testing still places me above average when compared to peers. So my coding is bad compared to my other abilities, but I still outperform most people which is why my diagnosis was overlooked for 38 years. I was the smart quiet kid who was always daydreaming in the back of the class and never put any effort into school but always passed classes, made honor roll every year and only failed 1 test in his entire life due to being sick and missing a month of school in my last year. Education is in shambles.

[@keithsimonh]

okay .. what is "coding" in this case? it's clearly not computer programming

[@benmorin4162]

@@keithsimonh I'm not a neuropsychologist but my understanding is its basically the brains way of recognizing symbols and group them i.e. recognizing shapes and numbers and the brains ability to rapidly process and switch between the "codes". One of the tests they make you do to evaluate your 'coding' is to give you a page full of random text and then throwing in numbers randomly on the page. The task is to read the page and underline the numbers. You are timed on how many you can get. I think the other one was a series of shapes with symbols in them or partially colored in, and you have to identify the next one in the sequence or the one that doesn't belong. It's been about 3 years since I did the various diagnostics tests but it was 8 hours of different things to test memory (long term, short term and working), verbal comprehension, spacial recognition, coding, executive function, impulsivity, etc. I don't think my brain was ever more tired than after those tests.

[@williamnicholson8133]

There's also a problem with kids being prescribed powerful psycho active drugs when they are not needed and this stops their brain development as well.

[@codahampton8653]

“I didn’t know Billy was here” sent me through the moon

[@arikm8430]

It's definetly a culture thing. My parents raised me to respect educators and to take my education seriously. I didn't have access to social media or anything until i was 16. I still have ADHD, but i *wanted* to be successful in school because that's how i was raised. I could barely do 8th grade math but i still tried very hard.

[@slamkam07]

I was raised to be successful in school but I didn't trust thst mentality since even back then I was surrounded by obvious proof thst you shouldn't trust the system. And if you can't trust the system why would I invest in it?

[@akindel6590]

My son is in 7th grade taking all accelerated or high school level courses including Mandarin. So many parents don't take the time to help children learn basic study habits or show interest in their child at all. I watched my sister take tiktok away from her 10year old and forced her to attend tutoring and all of a sudden she's not failing classes. Who could have guessed

[@Degeneracy420]

Careful you dont burn your kid out. I was in gifted and band etc all that fun shit and by the time i hit late highschool i was so burned out that anxiety and depression sunk any chances of me going to college.

[@akindel6590]

@@Degeneracy420 That is exactly what I went through in life! I didn't complete my degree until I was 26 and him being born was a huge motivator for me! We have talked to him about exactly this idea and encourage him to advocate for himself. He actually just stayed home from school yesterday for a mental health day. We focus on praising his work ethic and building good habits instead of easy success. He likes programming and builds games in Roblox. He's plays Trumpet in band and says when he is good enough he wants to travel and play music requests in public to create content. We don't care what grades he gets and will support him in anything, our only expectation is that he applies himself and doesn't sit on KZbin all day.

[@crazyhippo60]

Saw this problem personally. Asked for a dozen cookies at subway and dude looked at me straight in the eye and said "what is that?". Guy didn't even know what a "dozen" meant.

[@martinpadilla5224]

Yeah, I mean it is an antiquated way of measurement, but, it's use is so common, I had no choice but to learn it. At least where I grew up, you'd have to intentionally ignore it to not know what it was.

[@mintfloss15]

lmao who buys a dozen subway cookies

[@batatapalha1241]

"It's clearly 20, he's pretty dumb" lol

[@batatapalha1241]

​@@sigbartbart7832The Great State of Italy perhaps? Who knows?

[@samwelltarly8265]

@@sigbartbart7832 It was not the correct answer to your question, but let's be honest... In the bigger picture that answer is kinda right ;)

[@barneymiller4088]

If you look at successful schools and they are always in successful neighborhoods. They need to kick kids out who can’t keep up so parents have to pay attention or deal with their own kids.

[@shaifs5072]

I feel sad whenever Asmond talks about his mom now. It’s clear why he loved and why she was amazing. It must be a great loss for him.

[@KATSUvo]

That's what grief is. The loss of someone important. I feel for him.

[@Jamison2210]

Both of my parents struggled in high school, didn't go to college, worked all the time, but STILL taught me more than parents these days teach their kids.

[@millanferende6723]

Are you saying they did NOT teach you the 24 different genders and 74 different forms of "micro-aggression"?

[@powerzeus1322]

I am utterly curious how two people that struggle to learn simple thing manage outclass most parents these days. When I am talking about most parent I am talking about parents that are normal not ones that do stupid thing like teacher kids the new genders.

[@Jamison2210]

@@powerzeus1322 lots and lots of parenting books 😂 but seriously so many kids at my high school could barely *read* so it's not a high bar

[@LalaDepala_00]

​@@powerzeus1322Your comment is a grammatical crime.

[@powerzeus1322]

@@LalaDepala_00 And you point exactly? If you want to check people grammatical mistake work as an English teacher. This is youtube comment.

[@Absynthe12]

I teach 7th grade also. The students are not stupid. They are not being held accountable and then they are being passed to the next grade. Thankyou Asmongold for commenting on this.

[@madmatt2024]

This. The solution is so simple, FAIL THEM!!! Summer school and/or repeating a grade might make them take school more seriously. If in the end they still don't get it, then they don't get a diploma.

[@Absynthe12]

@@madmatt2024 We can do that,but they will still be passed to the next grade. That's why teachers feel powerless. I really don't know how to help the students any more.

[@madmatt2024]

@@Absynthe12 Do you not have some form of standardized testing where you teach? In NY, if the student doesn't pass the Regents exam every year then they get held back or have summer school. If they are passing students with failing grades then the school needs to be sued.

[@miguelbailey95]

​@@madmatt2024 i don't think you know how deep it goes. Schools just passing them along is not uncommon. I'm 28, when I was in school they still did this. It's a problem that's only getting worse.

[@MrJJandJim]

@@madmatt2024 If they don't meet the current standards, the most common fix is simply to *lower* the standards. Notice I said Most Common, not Best.

[@luna_soleil]

Bro I'm 33 now but when I was in middle school, I had to do the SPED program because of severe mental illness + skipping school. There was a "kid" aka full grown adult IN MY CLASS who was pushing 25/26 yo who COULD NOT READ. It was going to be his last year in the school system because he was *too old* and they were kicking him out. It was determined that he just refused to learn. Not that he was incapable - just refused.

[@bobhanson2449]

Parents are addicted to social media in the USA. So they let their kids consume social media as a free babysitter while they themselves veg out. Nobody has time to read or write anymore because we spend so much damn time online. It's actually crazy. I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else but at least I don't have kids 🤣

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Pretty much.

[@yosolo950]

100%. Social media has corrupted the youth and society as a whole. Student behavior is the root cause.

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

yeah its ridiculous, I have a son but I try to be very present and he's been advanced in pretty much every developmental milestone there is. walking and tlaking months and months before the average. my cousin has a kid who's about 2 years older than him, and my son can speak WAYYY better than he can, its actually really sad

[@b.j4348]

I mean, I was raised by absent parents - graduated in 2014. By absent I mean growing up was a nearly entirely solo experience filled with abuse and neglect. Spent it in front of computers gaming and shit yet somehow the current generations seem incredibly lost and so much "worse" off then what I experienced. It's mighty sad and interesting

[@bestieswithtesties]

@@b.j4348 I also had "absent" parents so I can relate, and I can tell you that you are correct that kids today are still worse off than we were. Me and you didn't have the literal Chinese government trying to rot our brains like kids do today with Tik tok. In China tik tok for kids is almost all educational and informative content. In America it is brain rot. This is intentional. Same reason why American politics have gotten so whacky in recent years. Russia China Iran NK etc. work relentlessly to try and make America eat itself alive and collapse under it's own weight. Kinda seems like they're succeeding too. Dumbing down our youth is just one part of a large and complex campaign to harm America.

[@rumpelstiltskin9729]

Asmon touched on exactly what we need in school, kids used to get laughed at for being stupid. He should check out the MDE teacher skit too

[@altectechy]

Link it? Was it in world peace or on youtube?

[@jacobs1060]

@@altectechy just search "MDE teacher skit" lmao, you are the kind of person this video is about

[@abishai3234]

Video games are a good motivator for learning. When I was in 6th grade, my dad bought me Deus Ex few days after release. At first I was mainly focused on gameplay and didn't pay much attention to all the lore, reading etc (english is not my first language). But eventually I craved to dig into the lore and all RGP elements, so I forced myself to learn english. I literally sat with paperback english-polish dictionary while playing Deus Ex, and lo and behold - I absorbed the language like a sponge, basically jumping several years above what was taught in school. I continued learning english from various media and eventually I passed the C1 certificate of advanced english before finishing high school. Lots of ways to instill curiosity in children.

[@Cyber-Rain]

I looked up words I saw in WoW when I was a kid. Words like miscellaneous, paroxysm, and stoic.

[@leon30517]

Deus Ex is awesome

[@syro2412]

Same. Learnt English and developed lots of skills though video games.

[@dorsia6938]

Video games are not good for education outside of reinforcing language and even then, a book is 10x more efficient.

[@leon30517]

@@dorsia6938 🤓 thanks

[@ericlewis7817]

I remeber coming home from elementary school and sitting down with my grandma who would sit me down with a text book and practically homeschool me when i got home from school. After i grinded with her i would play ONE hour of N64 or wii. I would help them chop wood, help my father work on cars, help my father with HVaC on the weekends. I can only imagine what its like now. I was reading at a high school level in 5th grade just because my grandma would sit me down and spend 1 hour a day with me. I see this as 100% a parental problem. Ill go to a restaurant and see literal todllers holding their parents cellphone watching youtube videos. It just blows my mind that people do these types of things and just expect their kids to grow. If my child was like this i would be spending every off hour i can to make sure theyre educated. Education and relationships are the best currency after all.

[@Zyphotis]

"But brawndo's got what plants crave, it's got electrolytes."

[@matthewwatkins512]

That was a good movie.

[@manguy01]

_"No child left behind."_ More like _"No child keeping up."_

[@postmodernmining]

That combined with Common Core destroyed so many children's minds.

[@l33tninja1]

Remember when our school had us assemble to announce this stuff and none of us cared or even really understood.

[@michaelwinfrey7705]

Someone losing Fucking ground here

[@charlesbomerschein9707]

I was in middle school when that campaign started. Even though I was struggling, I still knew it was gonna be a terrible idea long term.

[@magisterrleth3129]

The fear of the humiliation of being left behind is what motivated me to keep up.

[@CodyKonkle]

I had the same exact experience with a history teacher. He was ex military and everyone just respected him out of the box. He was never mean or anything and treated everyone fairly. What a good memory. There are very rarely teachers we remember and he was one of them.

[@edwardwarner8256]

It's a complicated problem, there are a lot of parents who for whatever reason either cannot or will not be as involved or as interested in their childrens education as the need to be (whether because they dont care or dont have time because of work or being a single parent or both.... whatever). Then the system is usually run by teachers unions who prioritize teachers benefits and job security over the ablility to actually educate the children that are placed in their classes (the unions protect them for being fired for failing at the job that taxpayers pay them for). And then of course there is the government that doesn't want schools to do well so that (take you pick, or pick them all) they can have dumb, docile, impressionable, and uninformed voters to blindly cast their ballots in whatever manner the politicians can sway them to do so, and or use the sad state of education in this country as a speaking point and rallying cry to their supporters during election years (of course it never gets fixed regardless who gets voted in because all sides of the political spectrum like this situation).

[@darklordbungus]

If I had kids, as soon as they were old enough to use a toilet and say a few words I'd be teaching them to play Yu-Gi-Oh and they'd have 1000 IQ.

[@bmack1708]

I don't play Yu-gi-oh, but i'ver seen the latest cards. Just being able to read those will bump them to a 9th grade reading level.

[@Bladehound83]

Even moreso with modern Yugioh. They gonna be doing a *lot* of reading.

[@22Arcana]

@@Bladehound83 Also the 1st step to being a lawyer.

[@hikarishini]

The biggest challenge will be to explain to them what does Pot of Greed do.

[@Nyloxmc]

Teaching a kid how to play D/D/D would raise a genius

[@suizokukan]

"Some teachers go that extra mile and some don't do that at all". That's very relatable. I had a class where the teacher really engaged with the students and paid attention to everyone. Once, after I had turned in an assignment, I learned that my grammar hadn't been the best, so a sentence could be totally misunderstood (like in first grade where we got the sentence "Mom got apples for the children that she mashed", meaning she mashed the kids. Not the same sentence here, but the same principle) and the teacher read that aloud to the entire class and everyone laughed. It was embarrassing, but I was never mad, because I learned a valuable lesson. On the other hand we had an English teacher (I'm from Sweden) who didn't do anything. The class was complete anarchy and the teacher just tried to educate to anyone who tried to listen in a surrounding with kids jumping on the desks, running around, screaming constantly and playing games instead. I never learned anything, yet she gave me a higher grade than I should have because "I know you know more than you show". I really didn't. I was around 14 at this time. I didn't start to properly learn English until I was 18 and that was by sitting in front of a computer with an English to Swedish dictionary and later, when I had some vocabulary, meeting English speaking people online who kindly helped me with the grammar. I have nothing to thank school for for my English today.

[@adamkaangambrill]

4:05 Well to be fair I don’t think the President knows who the President is.

[@TWP13]

Underrated comment lol.

[@LiLMARSLI]

When she talked about that, I said "Well, no wonder why the children of the people who elected a guy like that as the president are stupid".

[@grumpy_me5521]

I live in South Africa.When I was in school, we had to be able to speak 2 languages, write it, and read it. We all went to state schools. A lot has changed since. When my child went to school, they had dumbed down school so much compared to his private kindergarten. I was shocked. First term kids were taught to count up to 5. I mean 5! Come on, he could already count to 100. Then they were given a sticker with their names and surnames on it and practised to write it. He told the teacher it's cheating. She screamed at him. She never liked him after that. I took him out of that school and gave her a piece of my mind. My child preferred to be taught in English instead of his home language. So, in gr 3,we switched him to English. He is doing so well. There are not a lot of state schools that are still good. However, in our area there are but not in English. We are fortunate that we can afford for him to go to a private school. The classes are smaller and the teachers are great. We also have school choice.We've always had school choice. Just wrote his first test this term and got 100% I'm very hard on him as far as education and not giving up the first time he doesn't get something right. Have no sympathy for his self-pity. He will do it until he gets it right. I had ADD when I was a kid, and no one went soft on me. He has no excuse.

[@sircrittalotTV]

The biggest factor in a childs success is the base laid by their parents at an early age. Could they afford, or did they decide to play with them, read to them and take care of their needs properly etc.. But the truth is it is incredibly easy to just hand over a tablet with headphones and be glad for a moment of silence - and it is tempting.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

It is. Especially when both parents have to work to keep a roof over their heads and don't put forth the time to instill the importance of education into their children.

[@Rhodair]

it was quite damaging to families when it became normal/expected for _both_ parents to be full time workers I've no qualms with either parent being a worker or stay-at-home, but many kids simply aren't given enough affection & attention at early ages and parents are way too stressed

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Rhodair Blame Financialization for that.

[@rudolfgernd8760]

And for this reason, many countries with welfare systems remove the parental factor and put the state in charge of raising children. Unfortunately, this is becoming less and less because states are cutting back on public preschools and more and more private schools are spreading like cancer. Parents are horrible tachers in most cases. So let it do the professionals.

[@unixtreme]

There’s a balance to strike, you need play, books, good nutrition, playing outside, good habits… and sometimes watching content curated by the parents is also ok.

[@grayavatar9766]

Imagine watching Asmongold and he is watching a video of your teacher saying how dumb her students are...

[@ZawaOnYoutube]

Maybe they would take it as the wake up call it should be?

[@Bazilisk_AU]

If I was a kid or a parent of one of those kids, it would be the biggest wake-up call

[@sykomaniax187]

​@@Bazilisk_AUno it's far easier to just be offended and have your mother sue the school for defamation

[@voldemort008]

Those students stopped paying attention 8 seconds into the video lol.

[@mezegg]

@@sykomaniax187 "defamation" of what? If they cant read as they should, if the cant wrote as they should and above all, if there are some form to demostrate it it will be, just put them to do it, Defamation is defined as spreading a false report or insinuation apt to cause harm to a person, or otherwise disparaging someone. If its a state true, then why it should be liable to be sued in a court?

[@DJTS1991]

I did my Masters in Education here in Australia. I passed all my classes and quit with one practical remaining. What I saw appalled me. Parents romanticised having kids without having the resources to raise them properly. Teachers not caring anymore and just wanting to get a paycheck. It was so sad.

[@thierryfaquet7405]

still quite dumb to not finish your master...

[@crazymonk27]

Sounds like the opposite of the US as teachers care but the parents don't

[@DJTS1991]

@@thierryfaquet7405 Long story. I was expelled. Family appealed with evidence of university incompetence. They refused to look at it. We sued. We won. It was emotionally exhausting. Didn't have the heart or the energy to go back for a repeat experience.

[@nicknedev8764]

​@@DJTS1991understandable, that freaking sucks man

[@reaperanon979]

Waiting until you "have the resources" is just playing into a population control scheme. Nobody had infinite money for every child in the past yet we still turned out well. In fact, I'd say we turned out better in the past than we do nowadays. The important resources that we are actually lacking are healthy and moral communities, social cohesion and homogeneity which are all exacerbated by the prevalence of social media and a continuous dysgenic breeding trend leading to a loss of average IQ.

[@GamerSmacks]

I was in AP European History in the 12th grade. The class was pretty much just read a section of the text book, write something about it, sometimes the teacher would give a presentation because he didn't think the textbook covered it well enough but it was overall pretty lax as we were the smart kids and the teacher was a grad student who didn't really care too much but he was still a good teacher. One day while we're just chilling, the teacher is just looking really annoyed at his computer, eventually someone bothered to ask him what's wrong and he's like "well I really can't show you guys this for legal reasons... but come over and look at this" and proceeds to show us some of the papers that people in the US history class had written (same grade just the normal class). These people literally were copying and pasting from multiple random websites, not even bothering to change the text color and size. If they did bother to write at all it was at like the 6th grade level. I think out off all of them only one or two were written at an appropriate level. Worse is that those were the second chances to turn it in, because he had the same thing happen the day before ,l literally told them to go back and just rewrite it in their own words, and all they did was shuffle the paragraphs around.

[@Drakoriyan]

I remember being pulled aside in 3rd grade for additional testing in reading and writing, and afterwards being told that I was reading and writing at a college level. 3 years after that, I was offered a partial scholarship based on my reading and writing skills. I wasn't some visionary, I wasn't special; I read a lot of books and understood how to competently read and write. I have friends in Norway, the Netherlands, Germany, ALL of whom can read and write in English better than virtually anyone I knew in high school. Like, the lacking literacy of US students is staggering. Now, I'm sure many people are perfectly good at reading and writing, but I've always found most people to be below average. It's seriously disappointing when you meet Europeans and it's thrown into perspective how far our education system has lagged behind and failed our youth.

[@jrfw96]

Yeah definitely not gifted, just what should be normal. You started a sentence with "like"😅

[@Supboi]

Whoa that is super surprising. I’m from Cali and I understand how many of the high school students here struggle to keep up with writing their essays and assignments. That’s why most of them are dumbed down to be a step by step process the teachers explain meticulously. Down to what words to use in order to have the best “product” But I know how privileged we over here are compared to the other states who have much less emphasis on teachers and school education They have less funding, less support and more students to work with at times due to the lack to rooms or programs So it’s so fascinating to see how little America cares about education as a whole. Rather than a state to state issue. We have no equal standards for the children from one state to another. I’ve heard stories about kids working part time jobs and begging their families for money for lunch and such. It’s a disgrace to treat our students as a secondary focus rather than our primary focus. No matter where you are born you deserve a well rounded education. The teachers deserve to have a living wage and more respect than what we currently treat them as. That being “glorified babysitters”. It’s an awful system we live in. I don’t have solutions but I know the problem and what could help remedy its issues. However, a band-aid doesn’t fix the scars built deeply in our system. We need to start at the root cause of this problem. We can’t solve an issue by hiding the symptoms of the disease. We need a cure. Clean cut and simple.

[@boristheamerican2938]

Its the phones and internet. Too many distractions. One has to be bored to learn.

[@luismiguel7256]

@@boristheamerican2938 other countrys have Internet aswell but they dont have such an issue with it

[@boristheamerican2938]

@@luismiguel7256 Yes but I dont believe many of the children have smartphones like here.

[@nrrdpanda]

That teacher probably did more for Billy in that moment than anyone has done for him up to that point. Constructive Embarrassment is a powerful tool.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

So does familial pressure.

[@GreatMisterE]

We'll know if he did him a favour or ruined his life when some years go by.

[@myst2212]

@@GreatMisterE yeah if Billy ruined his life it's obviously because of that ONE teacher who did that ONE thing to him ONCE 10 YEARS AGO. Typical excuse brought up by dropouts that can't find a job. Y'all needa get ur head out ur ass and take accountability for once.

[@GreatMisterE]

@@myst2212 is there anything I said that was defending the kid or offending the teacher? The message above is simply to point out that there is no telling how the kid took what was shown/said to him without seeing a proper layout of his individual psyche + knowing family background and how he was treated. Nothing more. Take a chill pill brother.

[@myst2212]

​@@GreatMisterE My bad I just know too many people around me who pull out that excuse whenever they get asked why they don't got a proper career. " Oh you know my teacher ruined me and dropped out, or the school system fucked me over" . When we live in the best city in the fuckin country with the best schools

[@vulgaritar48]

Middle/high school teacher here. American public education has been failing for decades and has only limped along this long because of teachers killing themselves working 16+ hour days and letting themselves get taken advantage of. Now with the new generation of teachers (called “lazy” by the older generation) coming in and demanding reasonable expectations and pay, coupled with parents letting iPads raise their children, the system is totally falling apart in all aspects. I had to teach my 10th graders comma rules and to capitalize the names of organizations last week!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Pretty much. The school system can't replace having parents at home when education and a love of learning are concerned.

[@M_CFV]

There shouldn't be such a thing as government ran schools. Home schooling and local mom meetups to teach, only.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Parents can’t be home because they are too busy working.

[@jacquelineess1141]

Sir/Madam, I am so glad you're saying this because I've been wondering why Americans' english has deteriorated so much during the past 20 years. English is a third language in my case and having lived abroad, I've worked with people who couldn't read a simple text fluently, nor write basic words correctly, all from either the U.K or the U.S. Whenever I tried to comprehend why by politely asking some of them, they would always become defensive/passive aggressive and try to come up with baseless arguments which made no sense whatsoever. They don't recognize any issues or have any desire to improve themselves in that department at all. It's extremely depressing to observe even to someone like me. People deserve to be given the tools to express themselves fluently and eloquently, it's one of the things that separate us from beasts. I wish you all the best! Edit: typo

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Kaiserboo1871 That didn't stop our grandparents from doing it.

[@Gusta3691]

"What state are you in?" The student: "umm.. solid?"

[@diyagheith1]

I'm sub teacher. and stuck with ESL(English as a second language) for middle school, last semester. because of the teacher shortage. I was often with those same students. They did put me in other class rooms every now and then. So I've done math a couple times, and I'm good at math, at least algebra. So I have taught it to them while the teacher was absent a couple times. It's not only that these students have the math comprehension of 2nd grade. But so many of them have the attention span of a dog. You can't grab their attention for more than 5 minutes before they just end up dazing off. You can't entirely blame the teachers when they have to teach over 25 students at a time. Most of these students don't care. Which I understand, I'm a student in college, it could get boring, I daze off sometimes. The older I grow though, the more I grow to hate smart phones and technology in general. It's just turning everyone into idiots, including my generation and myself. When I was in 9th grade back in 2015 -2016. I heard my math teacher complain about the same thing, now I get it. I'm 23 now.

[@assassin8636]

Look I know it's your opinion but please don't use that "phones and technology is making us turn idiots" phrase that just feel like millennial talk right there so please just don't use that phrase to anyone else please?

[@assassin8636]

And be specific about what technology are you talking about it better not be video games

[@Jibbzz]

Man. This reinforces my desire to homeschool my kids, and keep em away from tech until they're 16-18 years old. I'm not going to raise children that are dumber than a bag of hammers.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

No dumb("smart")phone or tablet. Laptop at the max, 13" in size. Limit access to certain things via router. I used to be able to remember all sorts of phone numbers but now I can't remember my own - and that's for starters. Got younger co-workers that freak out if their phone is dead... and naturally there are rarely any payphones around at this time. Going to the movies or a friend's house wasn't a big deal, just had to call your parents. Also the idiom of "No news is good news".

[@youtubeuser9496]

Homeschooled students won't be any better if the parent who's teaching them puts zero effort. There are more than likely many kids out there who are "home schooled" who are actually not learning anything at all and stuck at a 2nd grade level when they're 16.

[@ashmoleproductions5407]

​@@youtubeuser9496Doubtful the statistics are significantly better for homeschooled kids. By a country mile.

[@dangerdan2592]

​@@youtubeuser9496It definitely does depend on the parent, but if you think about it, parents that want to homeschool their kids aren't usually going to be lazy people since it's a lot more work than just sending them to public school all day. My cousins were home schooled and one is a nurse anesthetist, and both are well spoken and intelligent. I know that is anecdotal, but still.

[@dangerdan2592]

​@@youtubeuser9496But they could be teaching them the wrong thing, so it is heavily dependent on the parent.

[@Gameboy-kl8br]

Asmond mentioning his mother teaching him to read by encouraging growth through his own interests and teaching him about mythology made me feel sudden extreme nostalgia.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

My dear old Dad read the whole of the Dr.Who Shada script that came with a vhs boxset. Years ago the bad parents were limited and used the VCR or a SNES or SEGA to raise their kids. Then when ADVDs came along 50% of parents were bad at their job. Now 90% of parents are atrocious and leave the iPad or the PS5 to raise their kids. We need to block these people from voting or jail them. This is the generation that will end all life on this planet.

[@UwUWarden]

thats actually wholesome

[@juiceboxbzrk]

Dude same interest in mythology as a kid really helped me grow as a person. I became a better reader and grew an interest in other cultures/languages. I didn't notice the difference it's made until later in public school when I realize how little the average person actually puts thought into anything

[@Tazdingoyahahahahaha]

Funnily enough since this is Asmon, my dad and mom would actually play WoW with me from ages 4-12(?) and would explain lore, classes, characters hell even their guilds and how that whole shenanigans worked out. My favorite character obviously ended up being Arthas since WOTLK was the current expac, so my dad convinced me to play WCIII and I loved it. I was about 7 years old when I had beat the Frozen Throne and bro when I first saw Arthas dawn the Helm my little kid boots were shook. I was reading novels, started reading about War of the Ancients when I was like 8, even hit up some of the Warcraft mangas they had in my school library. And by I think 5th grade I had a 8th grade reading level and my teacher would allow me to pick those big books off the shelves. One big rule while growing up and playing games was I couldn’t skip dialogue and that still holds up today when I play. I’ve read most books in Skyrim, read most of the BC-Cata quest logs and every Cyberpunk datashard. And I’m 19 now, and I’m still holding onto stuff I was taught while I was 4. Parents nowadays need to do better, 100%

[@MrRhysReviews]

Same here with my Mum, she'd buy me Books about Ancient Egypt and the Titanic etc. things that I'd just be super curious about. Even things like Physical Activities I showed an interest in she'd sign me up for, she walked in on me watching and following along/performing the moves in one of those "Attract Vids" that play when sitting on the Start Screen in Tekken 3... Got signed up for Taekwondo and did that for many years 😅 👍 Let's be real here, we all see the Parents of today, like brah 😑 🤣

[@MidnightDStroyer]

I grew up with the public school system in the 60's & 70's. I could see, first hand, how quickly the state of education was being degraded into an idiocracy. By the time I got to college to learn electronic engineering, the school had just started phasing out Robotics classes for Mandatory English classes...Because the businesses were getting tired of hiring people who couldn't communicate or write coherent reports well. Even during grade school the teacher might say something & I would think, "how can that be right?" so I'd go look it up in the library (this was before the surge in home computer purchases & public access to internet; yes, I'm *that* old) & find out that it was wrong. I became like Mark Twain, who said, "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." Year by year, we should be taking these words closer to our hearts. It's possible that lack of discipline & refusing to fail students back to repeat the grade they failed had a lot to do with it; Teachers for young students should be better trained in Crowd Control methods just so they can get the kids to frikkin' *pay attention* in class. Thank you for introducing "Common Core," President Bush. It seems to me that the businesses should have taken those specific concerns to the primary schools to fix because that's when the students are *supposed* to learn the primary language in use within this country! I mean, I could understand *additional* & advanced English for those who are intending to enter journalism or authorship careers of some kind but to make it mandatory for students who *should have* learned the basics years ago is just nonsensical. I saw entire curriculums devolve from "ingest, digest, excrete" into "ingest, regurgitate." Critical Thinking skills fell by the wayside; that's what we need to have again, Critical Thinking that teaches people *how* to think instead of what we have now, telling people *what* to think. Now realize that these people being deliberately taught idiocy are going to grow up & vote...Indeed, it's already been happening. Now I hear that the government is going to start cracking down on home schooling because they still teach subjects with the classical methods of teaching. Now that you know, what are you going to do about it, people?

[@six-gunsound1145]

Mark Twain is one of my heroes.

[@Wanderer77777]

Oh my god, the government is cracking down on Homeschooling. Our country is worse than i thought. Homeschooling is already being pushed as a stereotypical Christian thing, even though our Family did the later stages of it without religion included. And that was before we switched to an Online school just because of the sake of convenience, which, by the way, we still consider homeschool. but yes, i see public school as a way to get dumber, not smarter. I hope American Colleges are somewhat better.

[@Marryjanesbud]

Well to answer your question, nothing. The answer is nothing. Those of us that are smart enough to identify the prblm are collectively ostracized by society whenever we suggest we take any form of action. Nothing will change because the majority of ppl alive today in the USA would rather stand in the rain & complain that it’s wet. They don’t care as long as they can get there Xanax prescription filled so they can spend there life in an ignorant bliss while the world around them goes to hell in a hand basket. Those of us that see the writing on the wall have either given up entirely or have decided to cut our losses altogether & move to another country. I’m 26 & I already have plans to be in Thailand by next year. I’ll visit my friends & fam here occasionally but I refuse to live in a country where kids getting shot in school is normalized. Like, what if I want kids some day? I’m supposed to just roll the dice on there safety every day for 18 years straight? And what’s more is that’s only “what if’s” when it comes to “what is” its even worse. Like, have you seen what it’s like trying to date these days? I’m sorry but 9/10 ppl I’ve met aren’t even loyal & that’s literally the bare minimum when it comes to dating. My buddy just had a kid 8 months ago & the mother of his child CHEATED on him ONE MONTH after giving birth. One month. That’s the kind of character you’ll find instilled in 9/10 men & women alive today in America. It’s a dying country run by a ppl that can’t even be bothered to atleast pretend that they care about eachother. So why should I even waste my time helping a group of ppl that don’t even want to help themselves? I shouldn’t & I won’t. I’ll watch this country and it’s ppl tear itself apart from the comfort of my soon to be apartment in Bangkok. An apartment that’s only gonna be running me 250$ a month btw. It’s Not even comparable to my current living condition here in Illinois where I’m paying 1,800$ a month.

[@TheSorcerer1]

Absolutely nothing. I don't live in the USA, and even though my school classes had their fair share of dumb kids, there weren't any that couldn't tell you the region they were in, or who the president at the time was. I'm pretty sure things have deteriorated nowadays, but nowhere near the American level. It is an absolute disgrace that the majority of students in schools are underperforming, but it is what is encouraged by the system you live in. Tik-Tok is so overwhelmingly popular because it's just short videos meant to grab your attention quickly, and then let you keep scrolling. Give that to kids and you get attention spans that make your bedroom performance look like a feat of endurance.

[@Wanderer77777]

@@TheSorcerer1 Man, when i was in public school i hated seeing the kids around me to stupid stuff all day long. Who thought giving this stuff to young children was a good idea anyways?

[@omgwat]

One of the other contributing factors is that lots of parents who care about their kid's education are not putting their kids in public schools. This has a ripple effect which causes the public schools to worsen because both the students and the parents no longer care about a quality education. And obviously these teachers don't see it because they don't talk to parents who put their kids in private schools.

[@nightc0red]

It's no secret that there have always been students who do not/did not get the help they needed in school. Personally, I believe it is from teachers (not all, but a few) telling kids they can't do it because they're not smart enough in the first place. Additionally, most of my family are teachers. My mom, dad, and step-father were high school and college professors - and that's not counting the teachers in my husband's family. There is increasingly little funding, no housing in many areas, stress, terrible benefits now, and too much emphasis on testing that doesn't prove anything other than who can memorize and regurgitate information better. Math concepts are being taught to students whose brains are not developed enough to understand those concepts. Books are extremely out of date - they're still teaching Linnaeus when Biology has moved on to phylogenetics and has done so since the 80s, iirc. Once these kids reach college level classes, they have to completely relearn *how* to learn because schools cannot or will not give them the tools they need to succeed in college. That said, it's also no secret that students have struggled considerably since the pandemic. I was in college for my second bachelor's in the sciences during it. I grew close with my professors (TA'd and did research under them) and the sheer discouragement and frustration from them due to their students' inability to follow basic instruction (when the only thing that had changed was the pandemic) was so disheartening. I think we're in for a ride the next decade as we try to get these pandemic kids through school.

[@StumbleBoy]

I had a similar experience with class mates acting out in high school. Had this Swedish teacher who just had enough with 2 dudes sitting in the back of the class talking during his lecture. He stopped what he was doing and said; "You two in the back. If you do not stop talking right now, I will personally strangle you". After that, whenever we had a new session with him, everyone took their seat in the classroom before it started and talked about whatever. Whenever he closed the door, ALL discussions stopped right away and everyone was focused on the teacher. He was also one of the most liked and best teachers we had during those 3 years. That's how little it took to change the attitude. Nowadays you can't do shit or you get fired.

[@Methos_]

Yeah, it's pretty bad now. When I was in school, we had some ghetto transfer student basically threatening a teacher. I basically had to clown on him and try to make him see how ridiculous he was being to get him to stop. Like bro, nobody thinks you're "cool" or "hard" for fucking with somebody at their job. Especially when you know they're in a position where they legally can't do anything to you. It makes you a pussy.

[@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028]

@@Methos_we need to give students like you a stipend lol. Actions like that mean everything to a teacher and also benefits the other students. When I used to teach older students, the only reason I got respect is because I was a coach at the school. I saw my peers get tormented, both verbally and physically.

[@chestbuster1987]

There is definitely a certain level of anti-teacher rhetoric coming from homes. I remember that by high school, some kids had an active hatred for teachers and would do anything in there power to make the class unbearable for everybody. I myself wasn't the greatest student or teacher's pet but I had respect for the teachers, even if I didn't like them.

[@SwordKingsTV]

I’ll never forget when the school system gave up on me. I had no motivation and had issues focusing in the class room and my adhd would always detract from the lessons. I eventually just put my head down and fall asleep and my teachers never bothered to wake me up or talk to my parents about it or even attempt to figure out how they can get me back on track. I just got sent to detention and got suspended over and over every week. Till I eventually refused to go back and dropped out in 8th grade and didn’t do anything till I was 18 and understood my adhd and how to focus better and managed to go to night classes to study for my GED and got it done in a month. I wasted my entire school years only to get the equivalent in a month.

[@pdpgb]

Because school is just glorified daycare. You didn't actually need to sit in class for 7 hours a day for 12 years or however long your schooling is.

[@trulsnilsen2658]

Had to change school for our kid, it was a gamechanger. From zero to hero. The way it works is that not every kid is the same. Some need to teach in more practical manners, while other can sit still and learn all day long. Some need smaller classes, while other want larger.

[@CLASSiv04]

One of the biggest things I saw teachers fail to realize growing up was that when no one speaks up in class, it's not always because no one knows the answer. Most of the time, especially in the lower level classes, the kids don't want to willingly answer the question and seem like a loser to their classmates. This would even pervade into the higher level courses, where a number of students guaranteeably knew the answer and chose not to answer to avoid being "that kid." The only between those two scenarios was that the kids in higher level courses had parents REQUIRED them to get high grades, whereas the kids in the lower level courses almost always had a terrible home life. Always falls back on the parents.

[@phitc4242]

I am that kid lol. I am also 22 bruh

[@acturusgarcia6027]

I used to be like that. Afraid to speak up answers in case it is wrong and I look stupid. It wasn't until I come across a teacher that encourages active participation (give bonus points), if you ask questions that sound stupid he won't mock you and instead say "great question" and answer in a fun way. Saying the wrong answer is not bad, but instead a good thing so that we can learn from that mistake. Really helps me get out and actually ask the teacher some questions I don't understand that I used to be afraid of asking. ...And then there are those teachers that tell you to look it up yourself whenever you ask a question.

[@Olivernight09]

I was ALWAYS that kid who raised his hands whenever the teacher asked questions.... mind you i never study outside school... i only wanted average grades, but the teachers love me because of it. I got above average grades without studying.

[@dr1flush]

IDK why he's laughing. This isn't funny

[@higherlearning9386]

Teachers shouldn’t even teach like that. No need to have one kid answer a question when you can have all kids write it on a paper. No clue why they do it like that, I was always picked on for always raising my hand to answer, Unlike most I never gave a crap though

[@Гагель]

I remember one kid about ten years old who said to his friend, “Well, I’m still small and stupid, but then I’ll definitely understand this in future.” I don’t remember what exactly he was talking about, but I know for sure that this is one of the smartest kids I’ve ever met in my life.

[@NotLikeUs17]

Someone told me that their place of employment had to remove all the analog clocks and replace them with digital clocks because all the 20 y.o. employees never learned to tell time on an analog clock. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@matasa7463]

@@NotLikeUs17 That might not be so much an issue of education, as it is an issue of the fact that kids these days don't get exposed to much analog clocks. If they wear a watch, most of them have digital display options or they just use their phone's clock, which is displayed digitally. Unless you grew up with a dial type analog clock and watch, or uses them as a matter of preference (watch enthusiast), then you won't really even have to learn about it. That said, I feel like analog clocks aren't necessarily better than digital.

[@CrackedRatthew]

That kid certainly wasn’t stupid if he said that

[@ancientgamer3645]

If the parents are lazy then the children are more likely to also be lazy. Some people are self-directed while others require someone to point to the direction they need to go. My father had to drop out of high school because his father deserted his family, and my father and his brothers had to support the family. My mother dropped out of the fourth grade to go to work to help support her family also. During WW2 my father was turned Active Army (he was a reservist) and stayed in the Army until he retired as a CWO 5. He earned a college degree attending night classes. My mother did not go back to school but constantly work at improving her reading and math skills. She managed a retail store. We had a large family of 3 boys and 3 girls and all of us were hard workers and were successful at what we did. Thanks to a mom and dad who led the way.

[@lizardy2867]

I have taken care of a child just like this. Sheltered with 6 other children in their home, rarely going outside, given technology to distract them while their parent works, cooks for them, and gives them what they want. This is negligence worse than most orphanages I've seen, and this is a case that is still salvageable. Imagine the ones that end up in highschool while living a life like that.

[@DuncanUhlmansiek]

The story Asmon tells is what some teachers should do with students who have bad behavior that effects the class, catch the bad behavior early on and fix the problem before it grows to be a bigger problem in the class. ( while also, following the schools rules in that area)

[@lenia272]

that's the problem, you as much as look at your student wrong nowadays and you end up fired and blacklisted. hard to stop early bad behavior when there's no viable punishment anymore.

[@saltycarl6581]

why bother? not like they will make more money doing this. might as well just ignore them and just move on. If the parents already failed you are just wasting time and energy.

[@benia1908]

@saltycarl6581 This is the mentality that led us here

[@Naturalrice]

​@@benia1908then what? The teachers that care are paying for supplies out of their salaries and burning themselves out while their pension is being swallowed up by the stock market and senators/governors are saying the teachers are making the children gay/lefties. Asmon had a very educated family that clearly was involved in his life lmao.

[@frikabg]

bro fix the behavior how? its not the teachers job to raise a child properly... he can make a note and inform the parents but what can a teacher do exactly?! Raise a child for someone else?! He can't do so even if he wants because they don't have such rights or power on top of that you are talking about the USA over here and if you don't know let me open your eyes for you... the teacher complains to a parent -> The parent goes to a doctor -> The doctor prescribes head meds to a child because he/she is too wild in class -> Blows my freaking mind 10/10 times but lets be honest... those meds aren't gonna consume themselves! And drugs are one of the biggest industries in the USA for a reason... if you want to expand the market you better hook up your clients while they are still young! Seriously the US is so broken... on so many levels at this point wiping the sleeve clean will be showing a huge compassion and mercy toward the suffering.

[@T1625-w7d]

My father teaches journalism at a University. He has said several times we are doomed. He had to teach them how a bill becomes law. These are students who want to be reporters. He has asked several times what the hell are high schools teaching. I have always seen education as a three legged stool one leg the teachers, one the students and one the parents. If one of the legs does not do their job the stool collapses. It is the same with education.

[@Kova4a]

At 6, I was already reading perfectly and had read a ton of books. When I was 12, I barely knew any English (it's my second language) but Baldur's Gate 2 came out, so I started learning English on my own in order to comprehend the story, guide and D&D rules. Parents need to find what their kids like besides tiktok and fortnite or get them invested into something more meaningful that the kids can be inspired to explore and learn more about on their ow.

[@stephanellenberg2871]

Exactly! When my cousin gave me a stack of British choose your own adventure magazines I started to teach myself to read English with the help of a dictionary so I could play through them.

[@acutelilmint8035]

People actually learn better when they have passion for something. Japanese kids learn English on their own watching movies n games. They spoke better English than adults

[@ZOMBIEo07]

@@acutelilmint8035 Arent japanese famous for their extreamly bad english skills?

[@oldsoulbiz3526]

My nephew learned how to read when he was 5. It was fascinating watching him learn. He struggled so hard initially, and then no joke, one sudden week, he was reading as if he's been reading for a few months/a year. It's as if it just suddenly clicked with him, and was reading without any major issues. Obviously he struggles with more advanced words. Still, the human mind is very impressive.

[@matasa7463]

This happened to me when I learned English after immigrating to the West. I went from struggling and not being able to speak, to be able to understand classes and chat with classmates. I just watched a ton of English TV for a summer. Absorption via exposure.

[@americankid7782]

I learned to read as a kid with those DOT books and they were amazing. Come to think of it I should start sending those book sets to family friends that have young kids.

[@krolirtheekroller4147]

Part of the problem i noticed, at least with my niece, is the new way they are teaching math is really fucking unintuitive. My niece was learning multiplication and couldn't figure it out at all so I had her show me how she was taught and I looked at her school book, and couldn't comprehend it. So I taught her how I was taught and within 30 minutes she could do basic multiplication on her own. A lot of the problems simply are that there are a lot of teachers who simply fucking suck at teaching, or teach in such a dead tone that you couldn't care less about what is being taught.

[@asdilar]

What happens is, teachers try to oversimplify math by teaching "easy step by step methods" that need to be memorized instead of explaining what is going on. When I was a kid first learning algebra I was struggling, until my brother told me "an equation means everything on the left is equal to everything on the right, you can perform calculations on the left as long as you do the same on the right" and that's it, it made total sense, and I was top of the class in math since 6th grade until my last year at college.

[@Gilthwixt1]

If you're talking about common core then I know what you're talking about. The crazy thing is, that's actually how I was doing math in my head all throughout the 90s and 2000s as a kid, and I usually had the highest test scores in my grade. But that's the fucked up part - they probably looked at how all the "smart kids" did math and said "we should make every kid do math this way", as if it were that easy. Not every kid learns the same way or responds to the same teaching styles equally, this has been well understood for decades. But some asshole looking to make money convinced school boards this was the answer to raising test scores, and because test scores are what school funding is tied to, that's what kids got.

[@_Dovar_]

Equality kills competence.

[@zachwashtub2250]

Without exaggeration I grew up in the same time period as Asmon in FL and what he says is entirely true. Special (disabled) kids and kids who spoke English as a second language (ESL) were literally lumped together. I learned how to read at home 1st-2nd grade using hooked on Phonics and my parent's help. The school wanted me to repeat 1st grade twice because I was "slow" but my parents were able to teach me at home. I mean, i was actually stupider than the other kids, but I was also determined, so I caught up by 3rd grade. I went on to learn to read more via video games like Warcraft 2 and Starcraft (the BETA!) at my uncle's house, or by reading game manuals like for Creatures 3 or by playing Pokemon (red/blue cus thats all that existed). By 5th grade I was reading High School level, possibly due to the fact that as a Preacher's kid I got exposed to endless hours of talk and that good ole' 16th century King James English (came in clutch during Romeo and Juliet, like I was the only motherfucker who knew thee from thou)

[@southerncyan4098]

lmao, its kinda true about being able to comprehend Shakespeare from having listened to hours of debate over diction about a KJV🤣. I was a deacon's grand-kid, so I was subjected to a good deal of the same.

[@zachwashtub2250]

@@southerncyan4098 It's virtually the exact same English

[@prism223]

Imagine being a baker showing up for the weekend shift and there's supposed to be a fridge full of croissant dough that's already been folded and chilling before baking, which was your job. You open the fridge, and there's no croissant dough to be seen. Instead there are a bunch of bags of gluten-free flour, which is unusable for baking croissants. So there's no time to actually fulfill your orders, and you complain to the boss about the situation. The boss says to stop blaming everyone else for your problems and get to work! So you whip up some garbage tier biscuits and sell them as "croissants". To your complete surprise, people buy up all of these "croissants" and complain the entire time while eating them, but they just keep eating them and paying full price for them. So, you come to a decision: Should you quit this obviously fraudulent, garbage bakery and go open your own, or should you stay and hope you can fix this bakery from the inside because you want people to have good food to eat? This is public school teaching. You can quit and go private, but you'll be getting a different clientele of people with means. If you stay in public schools, you will be serving garbage tier education because you can't actually address the real problems students have that block them from learning, but you hope you can make some difference despite mounting evidence to the contrary.

[@danielmorris7648]

That's a pretty gold way of putting it but the difference is that you left out the bakers union and department of baking both of which have huge influence over the quality of goods and are made up of bakers. It's also the bakers fault for allowing this to happen and in many cases also supporting selling those horrible croissant biscuit things

[@prism223]

@@danielmorris7648 Excellent points. Unions are monopolies of labor, and combined with government it is ironically fascism in practice by the people who whine the most about fascists.

[@jimenez2403]

My mom's a teacher and the amount of "work" she brings home is crazy. Creating lesson plans, making the worksheets from scratch, the parents have her phone number like she's a CEO that needs to update them asap, grading, and setting things up. It's crazy

[@RantKid]

As a teacher ive stopped doing work for free at home and while i get rest, i am behind. We’re being robbed.

[@lollylula6399]

I used to work in the mental health sector. I remember getting teachers through that we were meant to help with their mental health. I specifically remember this one older lady, her work hours spent at school amounted to about between 50-60 hours a week, on top of that she was doing marking and lesson plans etc at home 5/6 days a week, and then she was supporting her teenage children and caring for her elderly mother. It's not a mental health issue, humans aren't designed to be doing this much.

[@jimenez2403]

@@lollylula6399 she minimizes the stress by binge watching shows while she works but still it's hrs of her off time spent "working" and sue still has to buy some stuff for the class with her own money. She gets stiffed from the free OT and still pays more.

[@QueenBoudicca125]

​@lollylula6399 mental health and social care worker here. The amount of people we get where it's less a case of managing a mental health issue, and more life management issues(often not their fault) is so sad. Like yes you're depressed and no bloody wonder! You're literally handling 3 people's worth of responsibilities.

[@Baditow]

2:13 how is that possible you ask? because almost every modern school system in the world, especially america, is more akin to a prison than a sophisticated learning environment.

[@jordancobb7553]

You can thank covid for that, literally everybody fell for something that is real but blown wayyyyyy up to test control

[@hindumuninc]

But it was like that in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s and the kids weren't this stupid. So something different is going on

[@MonkofVibes]

The education system should have been reformed in the early 2000s and you cannot convince me otherwise

[@alfonsklapa3353]

we are still using the victorian era schooling system so yes it needs to be reformed big time.

[@Wolfspane]

It was. Just in the opposite direction. A lot of public schools took the no child left behind policy to heart and ran with it.

[@RenegadeVash]

The problem is some schools will move up students regardless of grades. You also have home and culture affecting their academic attitude. Redneck and ghetto areas suffer a lot because they simply think school is a waste of time and it shows.

[@YoungDeathWish]

yeah but Obama was the one who really ruined it. so no. it couldn't have been reformed in the early 00's because the issue wasn't as big yet. A combination of George W Bush, and Obama policy. Really are what killed it.

[@Agrinddandi]

Not sure if its this system at foult. It might just be cultural by now