Most Hardcore WoW Moment

[@Meitti]

This video is a stellar example of why militaries have ranks and command structures. As soon as shotcaller dcs, they run around like headless chicken. You need multiple shot callers that take the role if things go wrong.

[@mggirard13]

This also goes against Asmond's self aggrandizing comments about how his own, successful guild just had the one raid leader talking and nobody else talked they just did what they were told. That *exactly* describes this guild and that is their problem. The raid leader DCs and nobody knows what to do because the single voice commanding them the entire time has gone silent.

[@samwarren6008]

@@mggirard13 No it doesn't, everyone in his guild knew what to do that's why they didn't need anyone else to talk. No one in this guild knew anything properly and it all fell apart.

[@DeionSC2]

​@mggirard13 which is why you have a second raid leader ready who doesn't talk unless the first one has an issue. :)

[@brickan2]

@@mggirard13 Everyone who has worked a job or been in a sports team or (actually) played co-operating video games knows this. There are leaderS, not A leader. And You yourself have to become one.

[@Steve_R418]

I mean most raids aren't going to plan for if the main tank and shotcaller dcs. Like obviously in hindsight and other people did take over but its too late.

[@cortesacrawford]

There really is something special about watching Asmon locked in providing classic WOW commentary. It's like watching an animal return to its natural habitat.

[@MrAleB305]

its nuts that they didn't have 1 other person that could lead the raid

[@Sam-es2gf]

If WoW has taught me anything it's that 95% of people won't lead and 99% of people shouldn't

[@phillipbrunhj9418]

u need nerves of steel to raid lead in HC - Seen one do it prober, and we got killed at Anub due to main tank failure

[@RobinBoris.]

Sounded like at least 5ppl where calling shots when it wasent needed. And when it's needed no one wanted to lead

[@andrewgrow5711]

clearly most of them didn't understand the mechanics of the fight and never practiced how to do it properly then expected to just first-try it without problems? idiotic makes me think they all thought the raid leader and maybe 2 other people were just gonna carry and orchestrate the whole thing great plan like why wouldn't u have another character in non HC so u could practice it?

[@noname-gp6hk]

Wild how accurately this game analogs real life situations

[@neverbeen5691]

Ana didn't die... Ana got Naturally Selected 😭😭😭

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

Playing wow with asmongold must be the most stressful experience known to mankind

[@unloyal4847]

@@pierluigiadreani2159 Not if you know what your doing which you should be in this scenario lol, it's HC afterall.

[@bofasofa9399]

Imagine bringing a female to a raid. It's almost as dangerous as having Asmon on your team.

[@curlyhairedgamer]

@@pierluigiadreani2159lol wut if you actually know how to play the game its not stressful at all

[@Drillur]

@@bofasofa9399 Why's it dangerous to bring a female when raiding?

[@Saufs0ldat]

28:43 Editor is saving that one.

[@nicknevco215]

turkey not rooster

[@lnz3257]

haha yes, good one!

[@badmonkey2468]

[@StandYourGround69]

I love playing a WoW mode where a random disconnect costs me days or weeks of my time. A truly magical experience.

[@deenman23]

exept the DC wasnt even close to being the main issue here,the main issue is literaly NO ONE has done this fight and has no clue what to do lol,the low,going bareback on hc on a fight notorious for wiping you was insane

[@purplefreedom1631]

Months, because even if you can get boosted back in weeks you spent months earning that

[@the__man]

all time gaming is wasted. its about enjoying your time

[@WhittaII]

@@the__man Nah I get where you're coming from but this is different. Combined that is tens of thousands of hours of work lost due to a tiny blip. Sure, the journey was still enjoyed etc. but this overshadows the whole process and puts a dampener on ever attempting again

[@colinbuchness]

No one asked you to play HC

[@RespireUnlimited]

people stacked up in lil circle be like: 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 Anna: 👁️👄👁️ “im 100% sure this is better spot”

[@abefroman2477]

My health seems to be going down while I'm in bubble. I'm sure it's nothing

[@RespireUnlimited]

@@abefroman2477 🙏😁😁

[@lnz3257]

@@abefroman2477 i would bet she didn´t even notice because 99% of the time you don´t take dmg in bubble and had a false sense of secure :D.

[@JustSomeChatter]

Where's our boy LittleViolin go.. I miss him 😣

[@Tetrathegod]

More like “damn I’m 38 and fat ugly and alone and no one doesn’t even look at me , what am I going to eat tonight”

[@brockly4443]

I love that no one would have watched this if they had killed the boss

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

Massively underrated comment

[@dominotrix]

It's logical though right? No one would see a drums cover to the Toxicity song by a 20yo guy. But if you put a 4 year old instead, now that's something that doesn't happen often. The song is the same, the drum sequence is the same. The only thing that "amazes" us apparently is the age of the player. There are tons of videos of guilds killing this boss, who cares. But when it's a wipe, it's something that doesn't happen everyday.

[@mark-dev-1]

@@dominotrixnot necessarily true. People would definitely watch perfectly executed raid, just as they would watch perfectly executed drum cover. The problem, though, is that the vast majority of drum covers are trash, so people just cope.

[@bengreen3716]

This comments so true. Petri on God (our guild) was lock step with Home Depot. We finally cleared KT two weeks prior to this for the first time and had less than 1k people even see the kill.

[@warmspell7562]

So true.

[@hibiscus779]

Never, ever issue a command by saying 'somebody' should do something. you must identify the minion, or nobody does anything.

[@lnz3257]

the minion xD thats also very important in a real life situation because no one will call an ambulance then. also identify the minion that just stands around and assigne the task :D

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

And its pretty much never helpful to say things like "What do we do now? Everyone is dying" or "repeating the last smart thing you heard but louder"

[@KRS_two]

The raid lead tank that disconnected was Drex, who was second in command of the guild Frontier that was the first to clear Naxx on HC Classic WoW.

[@squirlkingSUCKS]

Oh my god i miss playing with drex it was a true clown show

[@zephyrp8836]

WHO?

[@pivotaldisorder8126]

@@zephyrp8836 Ronnie Pickering

[@raphaelcardoso7927]

This is why raid leader and main tank should be different people

[@lkm-zd7zn]

@@squirlkingSUCKS LOL I love hearing Drex talk down to everyone like a total jerk for the entire raid. He's so bad, I have no idea why everyone listens to him, Home Depot have so many raid deaths, it's insanity.

[@Drizzle52693]

This captures the true essence of what made vanilla hard when it came out in 2004, getting through a 40 man raid without atleast 1 person dcing was a downright miracle

[@justanobody0]

I think in hardcore you'd probably be more careful that if someone dcs that you'd have a bit of redundancy so that if one or more main tanks dc, you have decent quality backups so the whole thing doesn't fall apart

[@lossless4129]

24:40 dude is so stressed haha like he on the battlefield!

[@justanobody0]

shellshock is real brah

[@LV426Survivor]

The moment the dude DC'D i swear the girl was about to start screaming

[@lnz3257]

yes, imagine beeing a tank there. they knew that they will die so other players maybe can escape. I also played hc for a little bit and it´s crazy how the adrenalin is pumping when you´re close to death and have to make fast decisions.

[@Dianbler]

Hardcore WoW is just a gift that keeps on giving.

[@Zii_Vii]

That priest was trying to keep the dc'd tank raid lead alive a little bit longer for him to get back and not lose his char I think. He was just spamming heals. He's a real one for that imo

[@TKGxCOD]

I think he couldve still be in the safe area and healed him from range no?

[@brandonmaximo8879]

​@@TKGxCODclearly you are clueless. You think heals have 100yard range? The tank was right smack in the corner

[@yummychips_]

@@brandonmaximo8879 damn, dont gotta be rude about it. Not everyone knows the max range of heals and max range of HM aura.

[@TKGxCOD]

@@brandonmaximo8879 i didnt really look that hard, now after re watching i see how far he actually was, didnt think he pulled it back much before he DC’d

[@Zii_Vii]

@@TKGxCOD yeah he didn't get it all the way in the corner and I think that's why the priest was so close to the group, but not close enough. Maybe he could have reached him from the safe middle, but it was all happening so fast, I imagine he was just thinking about trying to save his homie and process the mess of calls in comms.

[@bluemyst42]

Its always been funny to me that when people are told to stack up and theres always someone (or a few) that just has to scoot out of the stack so they can see their character. Theres no collision, you can all literally stand on the same square foot of space, but they refuse to.

[@fazilmuhayat8035]

they just have to always see their character on screen. it’s ingrained in these classic players

[@EthVortexShield]

The worst.

[@3EyeWand3r3r]

People defending the priest. It's not like she was alone. There was an entire group of people standing in safety healing back up. They had a clear visual signal of where to go to not take more damage.

[@Adepth7]

The priest that Asmon called out for standing far away? That positioning is safe. The only difference if he would have moved into the group would have been him missing out on 2~ heals on people. Would just be a missplay to move into the middle there. He did exactly what he should and healed people up and then moved.

[@Amatiel]

​@@Adepth7 She wasnt slowly moving and stoping to heal. She went closer and further away several times before she died. I actually am thinking the debuffs might have been an issue and she panicked. Im not sure what else it could have been.

[@prophet_3692]

@@Amatiel that was the pally. Not the priest. The priest was the dwarf priest that was supposedly maybe trying to heal the pally healer running around like a headless chicken (edit: maybe it was the tank that DC'd as per other comments). Case in point, second she dies, priest moves in to stack

[@Steve_R418]

Asmon is just milking views from people who don't play the game bro.

[@Dontaethefist]

This wipe and that scene from The Office where Dwight started a fire and everyone started going nuts are the same scene pretty much.

[@JackHehe]

They should make wow hardcore, but when you die, you should never be able to install wow on your computer again.

[@seecrit436]

yeeeeeeees

[@dontbelazy3136]

That's simply not possible.

[@civierr2832]

Buy new hardware

[@McMTG]

@@dontbelazy3136 It's simply just a joke

[@astraastra4550]

i bet your journey would end at lvl 10-12

[@sonofsparta2693]

The few characters I made on hardcore wow were a blast tbh. I never made it past lvl 40 as Im not too experienced and can get sidetracked easily but the adrenaline rush you get when in a tight spot is incredible. Getting out of the tight spot or saving someone is the best when you know all your time on the character is on the line. Feels like shit when you die (especially to a stupid reason) but Id say it’s worth a go if the server is populated.

[@YashimaTameyoshi]

We need Pilav back

[@Loc123cool]

We need to let him go man

[@T_gin]

its peelove

[@jfklmk13447]

We do!

[@Burgerklauer]

Why he left?

[@Myhaay]

@@Burgerklauer because the game has been shit for over a decade besides legion lmao.

[@turgonnaish]

The masochism involved here is staggering. How can these people not see it coming?

[@andrewgrow5711]

clearly most of them didn't understand the mechanics of the fight and never practiced how to do it properly then expected to just first-try it without problems? idiotic makes me think they all thought the raid leader and maybe 2 other people were just gonna carry and orchestrate the whole thing great plan like why wouldn't u have another character in non HC so u could practice it?

[@nicknevco215]

Why they just learn fight on hardcore

[@patmacrotch5611]

@@andrewgrow5711why are you posting this same comment over and over 😂😂😂 of course we knew and practiced before hand.

[@Steve_R418]

@@andrewgrow5711 I mean the guy disconnected and when things dont go according to plan people make mistakes. This happens in basically everything. Is it hard to understand?

[@pigzy9807]

We did, we honestly thought it was going to happen the first time we did MC and were surprised every week

[@Gh7stx]

21:32 "HE'S NOT IN THE SAFEZONE, THATS WHY HE'S DEAD" sounds like asmon got PTSD from this fight

[@SchnauzerPower17]

“That’s the most pathetic death I’ve seen in my entire life” 😂😂😂

[@lm4hustla]

Lol

[@Shu1118]

quiting this game half year ago was the best decision, all my toons died except for paladin. had like 15k gold on account too lol the amount of stupidity is extra amplified because of death=delete. stress level to the roof, by end of my time I would not even group up for normal dungeons cause of the risk. only play on raid night, wasn't worth it anymore. it's sad

[@alyxgurr755]

22:02 oh God, I'm getting flash backs all the way to the MORE DOTS guy. In a way, that's a great representation of the dramatic stakes for the hardest wow raid. Great fkn content.

[@silv1860]

The difference between "Someone do something" and "{NAME} taunt and pull hm to the wall" is kind of hilarious

[@odarkeq]

The group was well equipped and high level, meaning they hadn't ever messed up and died before. It's wild that just a little bit of cocky, sloppy play can domino into this tragedy.

[@braddoty55]

Following up on the voter comment, these are also the people on the freeway next to you. That person that is standing in the fire is traveling next to you at 80 mph. Terrifying.

[@Imbalanxd]

you understand that lewis hamilton would die to hogger at level 30, right? like surely you can comprehend this?

[@NanoNaps]

Also, Asmon earlier in the stream talked about how he isn't good at games and that is why he doesn't like playing difficult games on stream since he gets mad. Now, some people make mistakes in a game he is good at, it somehow is reflecting on how smart they are at voting? Quite the glasshouse.

[@Ozymandias-ri6gz]

@@NanoNaps It's always hard to watch Asmon react to HC content for me, because of how insufferable and smug he acts about it, while refusing to play it himself. Everybody knows that he wouldn't even make it to 60 without dying, yet here he is, talking out of his ass and insulting other people who progressed further than he ever could and doing what he is too chicken to even try. A lot of the people he is making fun of for "being bad" are 10 times better players than he is. Don't get me wrong, it's fine if he doesn't want to waste his time with HC wow, but since he has never done it, he shouldn't act so high and mighty. Reminds me of 50 year old dads, who watch sports while drinking beer and eating chips, acting like they could have done better whenever an athlete makes a mistake.

[@isverchoon7760]

Taking my CDL test, one guy was blind in one eye and passed the eye exam. Just know theres a person hauling 80klbs in an 18 wheeler out there that can only see out of one eye...

[@laneysatm]

Car crash = didnt understand mechs

[@gustavo7074]

Side note: I was shocked by the war within trust dungeons. The npcs are way better than some players 😅😅😅. I saw the bots using their full kit and that was crazy.

[@silentsorrowbane]

14 player

[@nicknevco215]

loadout

[@sillyz5837]

The AI paladin tank for me used lay on hands to save my life and I was like damn this AI is a fuckin gamer

[@Kngofkngs]

“I need relief” In a raid of 40 people..

[@nolp2898]

Comms were just awful, that one girl called to rotate at the correct time and they talked over her and then made the wrong call for group 2 to rotate on stack 4 when they should have already had a rotation and been on group 3 for stack 4.

[@Steve_R418]

@@nolp2898 I mean the shotcaller dc's so its kinda inevitable whats going to happen

[@lnz3257]

@@Steve_R418 how about a second shotcaller? easy solution so nobody make those useless calls that just make everyone panic more. And need releave on (boss name) is a much better wording to use for tank swap then " IM DYING". also call to clear comms, no one should talk over a tank that is in trouble with useless informations.

[@Steve_R418]

@@lnz3257 Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. If shotcaller doesn't dc they clear boss and you never even know. Obviously they fucked up. I'm sure you just like Asmon have never been put in a pressure situation and made a mistake

[@lnz3257]

@@Steve_R418 everyone makes mistakes, but i dont crack like an egg in the first 5 seconds when lead isnt there. i know how to opperate under pressure in REAL situations and take responsability for other people in an emergency were a decision can decide between life or death. i would have taken over right when it was clear the raid leader has a dc , even when it still would result in a wipe but you lose every fight you dont take. would not be an option for me just to surrender and panic and hope someone else take action.

[@gordianknot5260]

You can tell from the calls that Oneforall had been the clutch warrior making plays for MONTHS, he tried so hard...

[@BigChungus-zg6zw]

To jump half way in to the video with no WOW experience is like listening to Asmon speak Chinese.

[@taigashizuma3556]

well next time maybe dont jump half the video xD and you might hear him speak Japanese xD

[@timsc125]

​@@taigashizuma3556 you've won the internet today!! What a comment!! You deserve this gold!! 😬😬🫡🫡😅😅😭😭😂😂😂😂

[@NicoleMarie.]

Not a player either. Basically, they all take the 4 bosses to the corner. Each boss has a different AOE curse or debuff. That debuff takes more damage overtime and upon death, has another. The center where everyone is standing is Switzerland. Move out of that position and take damage, then die. I’m sure it’s more complicated than that, but that’s my understanding of the fight and what he said. Keep in mind, these people have played for potentially years or months with these characters. It’s a potential of about 30k or more hours lost. I would guess it’s more, but just imagine you’ve been playing Halo or Skyrim since it came out at the same rate of play on release- that’s some WOW players. It’s people with 10k hours each, with the bonus of playing on hardcore so that characters or save file is deleted.

[@ye9945]

17:45 exactly

[@mitch4904]

Need 4 tanks for each of the 4 bosses, and the tank in the dwarf and the evil guy need to swap. The girl in the back needs to die first because her attacks get stronger and can’t be mitigated as easily. Once she’s dead the guys fighting her go split up between the dwarf and the evil guy. It doesn’t matter who dies first but people typically go for the dwarf first. Once both of them are dead, they go to the last guy in the back corner. He’s the worst of them all because he has an attack that can chain onto other players. If they’re too close to each other when he fires it and they get hit, it could bounce to other players and nuke the entire raid so melee needs to be super careful filtering in. A rule is to typically ban melee from entering the back corner and forcing ranged players to just deal with it, spread out wide of course. Thats basically the fight. The tank and the evil guy need to swap targets every so often so their attack doesn’t do too much damage to the tanks and kill them. Same with the evil girl and the not as evil guy in the back. The reason the girl and the not so evil guy are in the back and focused first is because they don’t move ever, they are spell casters whereas the dwarf and evil guy are melee and will run around.

[@moonjt9]

My guild back in the day would be chatting and bullshitting around during trash packs but when it was boss time everyone shut the hell up, cleared comms, and let the raid leaders call the shots. So much fun, glad to have been apart of that group. Vanilla WoW was a golden era.

[@brandonmaximo8879]

Vanilla wow? Clear what raids? You probably never made it past BWL.

[@VidyaMexican]

That's cool but fights are ten times harder in retail and we have a great time while downing bosses

[@kc-lz8gs]

​@@VidyaMexicanyou don't understand. reagents are amazing emergent gameplay and it's actually sueor epic to organize the schedules of 40 people

[@imtoogoodatpvp1252]

Didn’t even know what raids were until wotlk, locked in on slaying the Horde lol

[@teaj7839]

@@brandonmaximo8879 I mean you got to weed out all the people that aren't massive losers.

[@Sovereign12]

I thought it was funny at first they weren't using the Divine Intervention cheese then realized it's because the Paladins would have to really give that real sacrifice for it lmfao

[@RippDrive]

I see where this went wrong. They shouldn't have clicked 'hardcore' on the character creation screen.

[@Archivist42]

This is why I'd never get invested in hardcore when a DC can end it all

[@AcidGubba]

Most people don't die from disconnects but from their own mistakes. You use it as an excuse because you know you won't even make it to level 10.

[@industrialillusion2248]

⁠@@AcidGubba wtf

[@falgo1337]

That's some really hard copium​@@AcidGubba

[@nicknevco215]

Feel this on game system DC should not punish

[@Brimfarm]

@@AcidGubbaAcidGubba knows everyone who’s ever played wow and how they died and yet still no one wants to talk to him, crazy

[@theexpert758]

No, you see, he didnt kill them, it was just judgement day. It was just a thing that happened.

[@WinterMadness]

If [Judgement Day] how come am I [Griefing] ? It just doesn't make sense.

[@ioiindelibles5692]

39 people just useless without that raid leader

[@TheRushfx]

"You have no idea" doesn't play hardcore himself

[@Proxy-0]

"Clear com" = they start talking, "move to the safe zone" = some of them stay outside. Remember that this fight came out mid-2006, almost 20 years ago, today they have in-depth guide with timers, numbers and everything for a smooth raid. And finally, bosses have 3 abilities. I'm starting to understand why "purists" shit on retail, they just don't have the brain for it, all they had to do was to stand in a safe zone, deal damage and press the heal button, and they failed

[@Werkzeug-100]

Asmon is right when he said WoW just got too hard for people

[@ginjaedgy49]

i think problem with WoW and other large type of raids with 20+ people. is it only takes one fuck up (if they arent dps) to mess everything up

[@FreshFowkz]

now imagine how pvp'ers think about pve'ers 😂 its that times a million

[@csguy3223]

Yeah, dude classic wow guilds are so shit at raiding it’s crazy. I was in a ZG guild where people were dying on pulls with half the group just looting trash instead of fighting. I told the guild officers and raid leaders they need to crack down on that or people like me will not play with them. They gkicked me. They never cleared ZG.

[@grilledIeeks6514]

Ah the good ol' days

[@crovax17]

I can watch these all day. As someone that played classic back in the day and was in a nax raiding guild. It blows my mind how these people even made it here without dying. It's actually insane.The more you have in group the probability just increases for wipes like this too.

[@pearlina09]

This^ Feels like it was fucked from the start .. position was off with the first 5s, don't understand how they made it this far.

[@slXD100]

@@pearlina09 they probably just play safe, dont take risks.. kill extra mobs to gain a couple more levels and then have an easier time questing while doing quests 1-3 levels beneath them. it isn't that hard. also, we don't know how many times they failed prior

[@DJDekgit]

30:33 This. It is a unspoken rule, even since OG WoW. If you are a *tank* in a *raid* you *have to know what you need to do for every fight* and don't get to just wing it, especially in *hardcore* .

[@donaldadams3301]

It’s like in Batman, The Dark Knight Rises, when Bane kills the only doctor who knows how to disable the nuclear bomb. Soon as the Tank/RL disconnected, no one else was able to clearly lead the raid. RIP

[@Basada79]

I really miss the hardcore wow compilation videos Asmon used to watch. They were so good.

[@nakano15]

Sadly, the channel haven't been posting new videos for months. There's a second one that does such compilations, though.

[@patmacrotch5611]

There is a new channel posting on the regular.

[@ryanziolkowski6743]

24:40 LOL really worry and panick

[@Sovereign12]

REMEMBER this is even a subset of players who managed to make it to 60 on hardcore lol, for those who think that's a real achievement outside of the tedium of it. edit: idk how I literally paused and made this comment 3 seconds before asmon shit happens all the time

[@justanobody0]

so this is the best of the best if 40 of the best wow players can't win a raid without 1 of the 40 players, then it sounds like raid difficulty is too high

[@vendelinvomacka7559]

@@justanobody0 40 of the best wow players are currently doing race to world first on whatever is the current raid tier. These clowns only throw time at the game and eventually get to 60.

[@cattysplat]

Darkest Dungeon Narrator: "Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."

[@heyitszp]

no wonder classic andys think it's the hardest version of wow with players like this

[@davidsantiago7808]

U think this is bad u should see the pre naxx raids in Era.

[@Brimfarm]

It is easily the hardest version of wow and I haven’t played it since it came out lmao, what’s harder, Wrath? Retail? 😂

[@joachimgundersen5387]

Maybe consider the situation that makes them play bad here? I think we all would play crap in this situation when ppl start dying and you know there is no way out lol

[@Sunless1337]

Yeah, try hardcore raiding and M+ in Retail. 😂​@@Brimfarm

[@alienstales]

​@@Brimfarm "hardest version of wow" kekw

[@CursiveS]

This is the problem when people rely wholly on callouts. In a perfect world, everything is executed almost perfectly and you can work relatively mechanically. You need to be ready to adapt at raiding of this level because you never know what will go wrong

[@austinmaxie3096]

This is a great example of why raid lead, main tank, and guild lead should be separate people

[@marloncebo242]

In this situation, yes.

[@bipolarkeyboard]

@@marloncebo242 nope, most if not all.

[@silentsorrowbane]

and sadly in many cases all the 3 are the same

[@rhytmikdrow8125]

never played WoW but in Lineage 2 i was all three. i always pretend that players are NPCs whenever we're doing bosses or clan war. the moment they start showing human traits, something is bound to go wrong. but like Asmon said, there should always be a contingency when the tank DC or the leader DC so that the raid doesnt fail. a secondary lead/tank is supposed to take charge of the situation immediately and in Lineage 2, boss agro can switch in a heartbeat if not maintained properly.

[@nicknevco215]

That does sound stupid to be all three

[@bl4cksh0t117]

i don't understand why they didn't just petri and hearth'd out, someone DC just hearth and come back you lost roughly 20 min instead of months. Granted i may be wrong abt how it works but.. ?

[@IgotDis14]

Yeah this encounter specifically is probably the only time in WoW where petri wouldnt work... Did you see how Annastasia died even though she bubble'd? Yeah, that dmg debuff goes through immunity, even petri immunity.

[@bl4cksh0t117]

@@IgotDis14 alr thanks 4 the info, but isnt there an aggro range tanks couldve gone to with 1 of the knights to reset the fight ?

[@patmacrotch5611]

@@bl4cksh0t117 No. The door shuts behind you when you start the fight. What needed to happen was a mage drop a port so if something went wrong we could have all ported and maybe only lost a few tanks/heals. 4-5 ppl would have still died.

[@wickedcheeseburger7427]

@@IgotDis14 Couldn't they have hearthed out in the safe zone during the downtime? Get everyone except the dced shot caller out.

[@IgotDis14]

@wickedcheeseburger7427 they could have. But they thought they could kill the boss. And by the time they made the call to run it was too late.

[@nitroexsplosion]

One big egg in the basket and the handle broke lmao

[@Tzhz]

The hardest thing about hardcore wow is finding 39 other players that aren't braindead. Even in world first guilds 20% are getting carried.

[@TheBiscuitFactory]

Who was the 2nd in command? As an MT, my OT knows EXACTLY what he needs to do and how to take over the captains seat if I ever DC during a raid. This was just a group that thought they were prepared. *insert Illidan quote here*

[@patmacrotch5611]

The whole problem is the calls had to be made in those first 30-40 seconds. It takes that long to confirm a player has DC. By then the heater rotation is already scuffed. It doesn’t matter if someone steps in at that moment. We had plenty of people who know the fight and started making calls. The problem is people started dying and tanks started not getting heals because rotation was scuffed.

[@HeruCap]

​@@patmacrotch5611if it takes 30-40 seconds for the OT to notice the MT is just standing still and take over, your OT is either shit or the RL is fostering a bad raid culture of blind obedience, and lack of decision making.

[@Ujara]

If it was me leading this raid, I would make everyone take a quiz before they can join. It's not worth losing your character over someone's incompetence.

[@bat__bat]

Yea 15 seconds before even acknowledging the boss is out of position is unacceptable. Maybe Infinity Nikki: Kozy Korner DLC allows leeway like that, but not hardcore wow.

[@franklinrichards8851]

Someone should have screamed "That's it, man! Game over, man! Game over!" from the movie Aliens

[@FatalisReigns]

the tank who dced wasnt the problem, it was just the straw that broke the camels back. Their deaths were inevitable. If anything, that tank was the only thing keeping them from the real danger: themselves.

[@Calx9]

It was FFXIV that taught me how effective raids actually work. Every person has to know precisely what their job is. Otherwise they will drag you down with them. I would force my raid to do the entire fight without doing a single attack. That they are forced to pay attention to the actual mechanics of the fight rather than what their rotation is. If they still couldn't perform they were removed from the primary raid.

[@ClaudioAguileraMunoz]

I would never play hardcore, I cannot stand depending of other human beings with the risk of losing everything. It's utterly ridiculous.

[@FacelessGladiator]

Natural selection at its finest!

[@Avenge_HiiPower]

I have never played WoW in my life, but I always watch these hardcore death reaction vids. Just Asmon's game knowledge, saying all these made-up terms I don't understand just roasting these people is so entertaining to me for some reason 😂

[@Kakyoin489]

Pll dying to a 20 year old raid what a surprise. It’s honestly deserved, everyone panicking for no reason and having zero awareness. This is why raids shouldn’t be hard at all. Literal mouth breathers here drolling on themselves

[@justanobody0]

maybe they faked it for a video to go viral

[@isaacgame7304]

@@justanobody0 brain dead take.

[@Brimfarm]

@@justanobody0eww kids who think views = success are the epitome of cringe

[@Brimfarm]

Comment doesn’t make much sense, “this is why raids shouldnt be hard at all, literal mouth breathers here drolling on themselves” that’s redundant lol, Raids should be hard, they’re the top tier of PvE content in the game, and it makes perfect sense that people would wipe to the most notorious boss in the game, especially with complications like a dc that’s out of anyone’s control, I don’t really understand the toxicity towards random people dying in their own guild run of a game none of us are willing to play lol

[@lenzp4133]

the gamechat tearing into them more and more with each death is the best. after all, we are just here to watch people suffer

[@Spade57527]

Babe wake up judgement day 5 came out

[@ceabo4u]

reminds me of asmon playing retail

[@stylereline4457]

It all went downhill when Garrosh died.

[@MootPotato]

As someone who has barely touched WoW but did raids like this in Wildstar back in the day, I find your analysis videos on WoW raids and hardcore deaths incredibly fascinating. I've also never played a game in a hardcore mode and now I want to play on a hardcore server.

[@Deadpooln2b]

Recently did Bane of the Fallen King, solo tank solo heal, pug raid, we didnt use discord, and we oneshot every boss. The game is old and not that hard, if everyone does their job its so easy, but unfortunately every 10 man has at least 1 idiot, and every 25 man has at least 3.

[@wradBrad]

four horseman is such a great fight that it maintains this idea thats its recoverable, that once the fear sets in, you can tighten up and pull through. but the fear is their greatest weapon, because once it infects the raid and a few people make bad decisions, it all begins to fall apart and people start falling dead in droves.

[@v.k.healthlongevity9807]

This made me physically cringe. You definitely own a trench coat and a few fedoras..

[@Radical1777]

I like to imagine someone in this raid had friends the invited them out to hang out, and they said no. I have raid tonight, and its the final raid of classic, so many hours of prep, sweat, stress has all lead up to this moment. And their friend was like okay have fun And then this happens lol WHAT A BAD DAY TO LOG ON

[@CineGoodog]

judgement day FIVE? At this point if you raid with this guy you want your character to die

[@thelightwielder]

I thought the most Hardcore Wow moment was a level 60 trying to cross a bridge and falling through a crack to their death

[@bcross15]

when i see 4 horseman.... i already know what happens

[@rosco3163]

Love the good old days talk.

[@seganofficial]

I’m Tentoo, one of the mages who died here. In retrospect we could have done a lot differently- mage port in the beginning, made specific calls to get to the safe zone and hearth or just full send Mograine, but ultimately our raid lead dcing on the most important moment in the most intense fight of classic where most of us had never played vanilla/era ever created a massive problem. Our raid leader opted to create the same raid environment you described in your raids- he talks and leads while we don’t say anything. This usually works out, but it is HC and especially this fight it creates a single point of failure which snowballed out of control. Since our raid lead dced and he was the one making the healer calls, our healer rotations were botched and since we throttled Thane we got an extra stack or two. Could we have done some things differently, sure. But no one wanted to jump ship early or make the call to safe zone and hearth, so it created a lot of issues. I ended up full sending it on mograine in the end as I knew we were going down with the ship. RIPBOZO! Asmon you should play Hardcore, would love to see how far you get

[@yungwallzy]

a lot of the comments are so hateful i don't get it. it is sad but keep at it o7.

[@noderen]

Still really impressive work, very sad circumstances; DCs are still the most unfortunate thing about hardcore. Don't take the people ripping on HC deaths here too seriously, you know how it is. GL if you go agane

[@azureth9544]

Asmond literally cannot play HC. The swarm known as Asmonhorde would first gift him five thousand gold and then mobtag to get him killed. You try playing with few hundres ppl streamsniping you "for the lulz".

[@SylviaBrown-c7t]

Hey Tentoo, let’s break down what you said. Many of us have never played ……. And created a massive problem. Hmmm, so maybe…. Play it. Learn it. What happened here is something you do when stuff doesn’t really matter. This was completely unorganized. I’d like to see how far you get if you played as well. From what you say here , the majority of you don’t play the game. You’re just human bots. So you check out of real life to…. Not be in control as well? Choose how to be controlled? Lol. Like this is fkn Enders game and y’all are just letting someone dictate everything.

[@SylviaBrown-c7t]

Hey Tentoo, let’s break down what you said. Many of us have never played ……. And created a massive problem. Hmmm, so maybe…. Play it. Learn it. What happened here is something you do when stuff doesn’t really matter. This was completely unorganized. I’d like to see how far you get if you played as well. From what you say here , the majority of you don’t play the game. You’re just human bots. So you check out of real life to…. Not be in control as well? Choose how to be controlled? Lol. Like this is fkn Enders game and y’all are just letting someone dictate everything.

[@richardfeynman7491]

It's always so astonishing to me how much time these people put into classic to get this far on hardcore, and yet how bad they still are.

[@YGO_Renaissance]

Can't improve if you petri out of inconveniences :^)

[@meadowbloom5230]

itll never cease to amaze me how these people reach level 60 and farm all the gear and never learn how to handle stressful situations. one brick falls over and its complete downhill from there in all these videos.

[@YGO_Renaissance]

It's simple. If they petri out when something goes wrong they can't possibly handle tight situations like that.

[@Cdanto95]

They buy boosts. I always would see people from this guild doing zg boosts

[@SagaraUrz]

Such an important raid and they don't assign a second in command...

[@ineedcoffee2575]

This entire pov is a warrior. So not only are they a brainless rat for not doing a single taunt to correct anything, they roached out lol.

[@ntall123]

The best thing about ventrilo was its difficulty to setup. This prevented near 100% of morons from logging into your server. Discord with its user friendly one click join ruined VOIP for gaming.

[@MrDSheppy]

you would be surprised how many people still struggle with discord UI

[@marloncebo242]

Ventrilo was never hard to set up. Gtfo. Lol. You may be thinking of Mumble.

[@ntall123]

@@marloncebo242 I knew I was gonna get this comment, and I agree. It was never hard to setup. Having said that... If you've ever hosted a vent server, you become extremely aware of just how many ppl can't comprehend menus and tutorials.

[@owenswabi]

@@marloncebo242you’re missing his point

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

replace ventrilo with 'the internet'

[@chrisnguyen1720]

8:52 you kno what we call that? Natural selection lmao

[@owlenYT]

Peak toxicity in this video, damn. Asmon talking like a classic player killed his mom.

[@JohnSmith-pn2ts]

I love how quickly everyone panicked and talked about roaching out

[@narth3222]

Actually F result for the raid, They should've all died.

[@Pepper777-y6f]

I don't even enjoy watching asmon play wow as someone who was never interested it in or played it seriously. But there's something about watching other people die in hardcore wow that just hits different.

[@Kings_Crossing]

How does this guy go "my internets down" while still talking on discord?

[@justanobody0]

is there a discord app for phones? (I honestly don't know) is it possible his router reset or crashed lost power temporarily or whatever, but he still had cell service

[@mathewnoel7696]

as one of the member of the guild he log on he's cellphone

[@patmacrotch5611]

Do you guys not have phones?

[@mikehenkelman2111]

Illidan tried to tell them....."You Are NOT Prepared!"

[@TheKnightmarechaos]

So all those skeletons in dungeons are not just for show?

[@wessredd7237]

As someone who quit playing WoW the day the wow token was released...this warms my hearts 😂

[@deathbob091]

can confirm , classic healers are in fact one synapse away from being bots.

[@JR_AFC]

Imagine Tiny Violin releases a POV of him DCing the raid lead killing half this raid group... Judgement Day p3 😂

[@lewdacario]

at 17:05 the person starts teleporting and glitching for no reason

[@docdemandshow]

Hot damn, I could watch nerds getting their time wasted all day. Unironically.

[@andyramirez4293]

Me to bro seeing these losers wipe after wasting time doing something meaningless will always be hilarious to me hardcore is so stupid when you can d/c and die to something stupid

[@kwando472]

@@andyramirez4293 What's your hobby?

[@ClassicHardcoreMoments]

hey lol

[@josephpugh1331]

Cringe

[@andyramirez4293]

@@kwando472 boxing, hunting, fishing, pool, gaming, spending time with my family? Literally anything that I can put down or fail and then I can pick it up later not lose my progress or something cuz of a stupid disconnect, hardcore is a joke playing wow ight that’s cool raiding that’s fine and fun but hardcore truly is the epitome of wasting your time 😂

[@7justin34]

That’s just so unfortunate. Raid leader DC’s, healer fucks up positioning, everyone panics

[@kwerby3285]

Ah fuck here we go again

[@Robert-l6g8i]

I never raided beyond MC in vanilla. I've watched videos of these fails and already understand you don't stand anywhere but that spot on that fight.

[@kingofthejungle5338]

We're so back

[@archologyzero]

27:26 Asmon and his guild didn't do this in Hardcore. Totally different world. Asmon wouldn't last.

[@Blightknight1337roflkoppturz]

like a missle.. it gets a burst boost before hitting the target.. if the fuel isnt burned from its potential energy to kinetic.. the highest point of conversion is at the shortest time from release point

[@lekrieg8618]

What makes this even better is that ANYONE else could have DC'd and the outcome would have been different. The ONE KEY person that would have caused a kill, was the one that DC'd. It also goes to prove that classic is the easiest expansion if 39/40 people dont know what they are doing, and still reach the 3rd final boss of the expansion.

[@justanobody0]

why do so many people say classic is the best

[@AcidGubba]

These comments always come from people who never played Classic back then. Do you think there was anywhere near as much information as there is today? All the classes weren't even like they were in Classic a few years ago.

[@lekrieg8618]

@@AcidGubba ... and that somehow means its not easy now? How many expansions do you kill a raid boss 2 levels BELOW the intended level? How many expansions do you kill a raid boss... naked? How many expansions do you kill a raid boss with less than HALF the intended people? I may not have played it when i was 6 years old, but that doesnt mean I didnt play it when it released again. Some parts were hard, absolutely, but raiding is not hard at all. Most bosses have 2 or 3 mechanics, if that (that the individual has to pay attention to).

[@lekrieg8618]

@@justanobody0 I think its a mixture between how the game world is actually alive and how the game evolved from day one release. modern day expansions is: Hit max, get high ilvl, raid/m+, wait for next expansion. in classic you actually interact with the world much more than in retail and world pvp adds a lot more than people think, combined with events like scarab lord, world buff farming, consumable/gold farming etc. that is always relevent despite not being absolutely required to be able to down bosses. That and the fact that leveling is like playing an entirely different game (early release, before all the botting).

[@AcidGubba]

@@lekrieg8618 But it wasn't the same game. All the classes were constantly being changed one after the other and they were much weaker. Scholomance had 10 people and ubrs had 15. It was a completely different game and you won't be able to reproduce it anymore. There weren't as many mods telling you what was going to happen when. I was raiding naxx back then and most people had never seen naxx or aq40 in classic times. Why do you think so few guilds cleared naxx before bc? Do you think the people were all bad? I was in the horde guild progenis infernalis as an orc hunter on aegwynn and that was not a casual guild.