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Asmongold Reacts to Pro Choice Rally in Seattle just around 48 hours after Supreme Court decided to repeal Roe Vs. Wade.
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[@KingEdward365]

Let’s face it: part of the reason why people have very different views on this issue is because a lot of people fundamentally misunderstand the roles of government, specifically the roles of legislature and of the judiciary. The legislative branch of government has become so dysfunctional in the past 40-50 years that they’ve completely abdicated all responsibility to the courts so that they don’t have to face the consequences of the decisions they’ve been entrusted by their constituents to make

[@Ne0ge0X]

ikr, he's bald tho,lol.

[@epicurusstan3223]

Nah, it's religious people being idiots and ruining our country.

[@maxyboy9648]

The judiciary reigns supreme and should be feared as much as the presidency if not more

[@fallwrendeathwatcher1584]

Very True. And every time their constituents put enough pressure for them to need to be seen to be doing something, they craft the most outrageous thing they can so it gets killed in committee. Because even Dems can't stomach some of what's been proposed, which is according to plan. After all, the next debate is coming.

[@gardian06_85]

the people here like: "the supreme court is performing a coup" (you WUT) or "the supreme court passed a law" or "just a bunch of old white dudes" (have you seen the pictures of the judiciary?) I know that the 3 branches is taught in school (especially WA), the Supreme court does not write law, they arbitrate on the matters of a case with reference to the constitution and the laws as written. Roe way bad precedent, several Justices have stated this outright "it is just a matter of time before someone brings a case to call it into question"-RBG if it is a question of the morals, and ethics of the society then that is a matter of Congress/Senate not the courts (Justice is blind for a reason)

[@schpludoinkle]

I love how McConnell just pops up and I have no idea he’s even there 🤣 cracks me up every time

[@Ne0ge0X]

He's like the FBI AGENT meme, except he has 0 authority,

[@JeromeBakerSmoke]

@@Ne0ge0X and 0 entertainment value 99% of the time

[@shard4756]

@@Ne0ge0X And 0 intelligence

[@ocrapo9327]

@@JeromeBakerSmoke I disagree I think McConnell is awesome

[@FlCl3000]

@@JeromeBakerSmoke he can’t provide more than 1% of the entertainment if that’s the amount of time he’s heard.

[@EmoEmu]

I think the guy doing the interviews have the perfect style of letting people speak to get as much rationality and calmness as possible out of these people. He does a really good job, even though he's conducting interviews with a handheld lapel microphone. Looks a bit funny.

[@tyroy30]

might wanna check out the rest of Andrew Callaghan's work, awesome guy, amazing videos

[@prinstyrio0]

Unfiltered news from the direct source without the news-station's own perspective/opinion is the best out of his content. So often have I seen interviewers not ask general questions but more targeted, to fish out a narrative, and then tries to cut the people off when they talk too much to get as many interviews as possible, perhaps to cut the ones that didn't fit what they wanted. Let them talk and let it be open!

[@zetterburger]

Repeal the 19th amendment next

[@michaela6073]

Yea like when he cut off the group which he disagree…totally

[@DavePasta]

While i would usually agree and I really like him, i'm not going to lie this is one of his worst videos ever, he clearly has a very strong opinion on this and didn't give the opposite view any good representation

[@realvargr]

Kinda scary that one of them said that it's not a life until it's pushed out of the womb. Not so sure about that.

[@retrogressive8245]

When people say that it’s in reference to human rights and worth, how these concepts are abstract and not inherently tied to life or existence

[@CorporateG0th]

I think the recognition of when it is a person is arbitrary and done for emotional effect. The core issue is about bodily autonomy. You would argue that a woman can be compelled to carry it to term, because taking it out would mean it dies right? By that same logic, would you argue the state can compel you to donate blood so we can keep any number of the people needing it alive?

[@alexandervlaescu9901]

@@CorporateG0th Body autonomy is cool but this whole situation affects so much more (a father being denied to become a father and a human being denied existence). Like I don't like to work so should I complain about body autonomy? If I don't work, I will starve to death. Where is the body autonomy there. This is why the body autonomy rhetoric is disingenuous to me. It's completely arbitrary.

[@aurelio9102]

People have the misconception that the SCOTUS is supposed to be the voice of the people. NO, their role is to interpret the constitution. If it is the will of the people then it needs added to the constitution via amendment then the SCOTUS would account for the addition.

[@ericmckenzie1221]

Do you realize how impossible it is to get anything added to the Constitution in this hyper partisan environment? It is not going to happen

[@shabadabadabada5133]

If the will of a state was to bring back slavery, would that make it OK? If the will of a state was to outlaw same-sex relations, would that make it OK?

[@SerialDesignationN777]

People are just stupid nowadays, it doesnt matter what you tell them

[@aurelio9102]

@@shabadabadabada5133 Whether it is ok or not is not the question; everyone has different moral beliefs. My point is the SCOTUS role is not to listen to the people or determine what is morally right or wrong, it is strictly to define the constitution.

[@JunohProductions]

@@cronotriggered4314 It's not the court being broken if there's no amendment added to the constitution. It's the legislature that's broken. "An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification."

[@brunoverasferreira6263]

I didn't see anyone arguing the point of the supreme court. It's not the ban of abortions, it's just delegated to each state now. The federal government is getting uninvolved in this issue.

[@XionAvalonArcadia]

This right here is why our education system has failed us. I remember my government class in high school and understanding the purpose of each branch was taught. I feel like this is not explained correctly these days.

[@mikeoxlong3676]

The Supreme Court did their job. The tenth amendment makes very clear this is a states rights issue. These women are incredibly toxic and ignorant. And what's worse is they think they're saying things that have value. They're crazy and emotional.

[@ericstaples7220]

I would say most Americans don't even understand there is a difference between federal and state governments. Even though that's the foundation the country was built upon.

[@LordKilmir]

This is an anti-choice fud statement. Everyone is aware it is now put in the hands of states. And everyone knows half the states have trigger laws effectively banning abortions or restricting it so much it is effectively gone. Pro-choice advocates are well aware of the technicalities. But to give you a little counter example: if slavery was "put in the hands of states" most red states would happily enable it again. That's why rights need to be set at the federal level and not at state level.

[@Highway-Hobo]

Close. The original Roe ruling was that the right to abortion was IMPLIED by the 14th amendment. This court said that ruling was wrong and that the 14th says no such thing and the matter should be decided by the states and legislature.

[@ReynoldsGarrett]

“People of Quahog, I have something to say: now that we’ve freed ourselves from the terrible shackles of government, it’s time to replace it with something better. The first thing we need is a system of rules that everyone must live by. And since we can’t spend all our time making rules, I think that we should elect some people to represent us, and they should make rules and choices on our behalf. Now this may be kind of expensive, so I got a plan: everyone should have to give some money from their salaries each year. Poor people will give a little bit of money, and rich people will give a larger amount of money, and our representatives will use all that money to hire some people who will then provide us with social order and basic services. Now, it won’t be perfect. Some of our representatives may end up being bastards, but you know what? That’s okay because we’re gonna have more elections, and we can use those elections to get rid of the bad guys and replace them with good guys. And then the system will just keep going on and on just like that! So who’s with me? Will you join me in trying this crazy new thing? Then let’s do it! Yeah! And we did it all without government!” -Peter Griffin

[@TheNewblade1]

The funny thing is the system peter described is better than the one we currently have. He said poor ppl pay little taxes and Rich pay more.

[@ebbesan9051]

@@TheNewblade1 in "we" do you mean USA ?

[@joshanonline]

@@TheNewblade1 that's how it is, genius. poor ppl get more returns. look it up.

[@TheNewblade1]

@@joshanonline but they don't. Elon musk has received more in gov subsidies and tx breaks than me you and anyone that reads this all combined will have made in our life. There are children in elementary school with debt from not being able to pay for school lunch. Like wtf are you saying fam?

[@TheNewblade1]

@@ebbesan9051 yes. ?

[@johnnyandthepnuemoni]

The sheer misunderstanding of our government blows my mind.

[@jaredwhite9552]

I know right, I had a hard time watching this.

[@Seysande]

You can think the american education system for that one. People in our country are fucking clueless. Republicans have been complaining about gas prices. Biden is pushing legislation to crack down on them, but its the fucking republicans in the senate shutting it down as they always have. But who gets the blame? Ofc the president. Nobody in this country understands how the government works and a lot of it is intentional misunderstanding.

[@snappycenter7863]

The two reasons the subject of abortion is so contentious; 1) Different views on when life begins in the womb/the unborn are considered people 2) Different views on the roles of government.

[@ShadowCraft1195]

Yep, exactly.

[@hitthegoat]

@@gerbo8018 um… America has the in between already. We don’t allow abortions just whenever. The Republican talking point of “abortions up to 9 months” is complete nonsense.

[@Excentrix54]

@@hitthegoat but that's what is happening which is pretty disgusting

[@N1korasu]

@@hitthegoat except for the fact democrats have brought fourth legislation to allow 3rd trimester abortions. It's never passed but they have tried.

[@Caswagna93]

I’ve seen a good question posed - why is killing a pregnant woman considered double murder but abortion is not murder

[@a-arons4364]

The supreme court isn't supposed to support the people. The supreme court was formed to uphold and support the constitution regardless of who doesn't agree themselves included.

[@ayanonight7700]

These babys will end up inside garbage cans and teens will be in prison for murder. That world will be so full of love. Yeah, sure.

[@a-arons4364]

@@ayanonight7700 what does this have to do with my comment exactly?

[@a-arons4364]

@Mrs Snazzyjamm no it was never meant to be changed, they created a process to amend it when necessary but not change it, the whole point was to keep the core of the constitution intact until the end of time. Otherwise there'd have been no point creating it or the processes they put in place that are very strict in order to even amend it. Stop spreading false information based off some article you probably briefly looked through to support your opinion.

[@a-arons4364]

@Mrs Snazzyjamm they didn't

[@a-arons4364]

@Mrs Snazzyjamm bc google is 100% true got it

[@bytoadynolastname6149]

Channel 5 "Here is a bunch of people I interviewed that don't know how their own government works."

[@haiscore2614]

True lulw. People there actually think the SCOTUS just passed some national abortion ban

[@fordgtguy]

@@omensoffate You'd think Asmongold would at least take a step back to research why the Supreme Court made their decision before covering this topic. The Supreme Court did not make their decision because "abortion bad" they made it because they did not find it to be constitutional.

[@joshanonline]

@@fordgtguy Even macconell told Asmon to look up a 2 hour video cuz he's fcking ignorant about this. Well, ignorant is too strong. More like, his perspective is based on a slice of news and bits of information.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@fordgtguy which goes against the initial ruling that was made where they did find it constitutional based on how it was written about rights. They also said they wouldn't touch it and they did. Makes you wonder why it was removed anyway. If you think Roe v Wade isn't about the constitution you should probably not go around claiming that vaccine mandates are unconstitutional either., just saying.

[@justarandomuser8434]

@@MGC-XIII thing is that it never should have been found constitutional in the first place. it was bad law. everyone knew that. it had no ground to stand on. that supreme court was stupid and overstepped. this supreme court found it not to be constitutional after reviewing it. thats why Ginsburg said it was bad law and

[@mityakiselev]

"As soon as the fetus is conceived, it's sentient" Pepege :mega: OBJECTION! I know quite a few 20-year-olds who are not really very sentient

[@nickspencer9018]

There has never been a time in history where pysops and propaganda has been so efficient and effective. And some of these ppl ,like Yuri said, are too far gone and demoralized.

[@joshanonline]

Information age. I've been saying it for years. Internet will have negative side-effects to human mind.

[@SUBtRONiX213]

You are so right. Big story going around about how Russia bombed a shopping mall in Ukraine. I can't remember seeing more than 10 people in a mall here in the US. The economy in Ukraine must be booming for that many people to be shopping. I also noticed how in the pictures and videos there were no cars in the parking lot. Not to mention it does not make strategic sense for Russia to do this. So when I look at the 'evidence' and apply critical thinking I can only come to the conclusion that it is propaganda. Seems like the US is always beating some kind of war drum. Or maybe the Russians hacked my brain. LOL Free Julian Assange!!

[@MadMax-nr6si]

Propaganda had been around forever, it’s less effective now because of information sharing and that causes a rift in the people.

[@AnnihilateTheHeaven]

@@SUBtRONiX213 What in the fuck are you talking about bro, Its war overthere lmao. Strategic reason? They just want the ukrainians to suffer to the point its not worth it.

[@rahn45]

@@SUBtRONiX213 It's basically a repeat of the Syrian gas attack. There was zero reason for them to do a gas attack on their own people in a war they were already winning, when the direct consequence was for the international community to jump on the opportunity to become more involved in the conflict. Sides that, this isn't even the first time they've tried to pull this stunt: Hospitals/schools/daycares always have this tendency of being brutally attacked when they need a reup on public support.

[@tyman4651]

We do need to make it easier to adopt. 2 million families are literally waiting for adoptions but because they make it so hard and costly it takes forever to adopt babies.

[@boyankovachev7982]

Yes, definitely. I mean, this is really important, especially when the decision about abortions is up to the states. So, state X doesn't want abortions. Okay, now this is their decision, but they must make it easier for people to adopt, otherwise the kids that the state must take care about will just rise and rise. And, as OP said, there are millions of people who want to adopt and can't. If you knew that even if you don't abort this kid, it will have a chance, and it wouldn't be just left in an orphanage that will make his life a living hell.

[@FlCl3000]

I don’t know if taking legal custody of a child you don’t have any relationship to should be an easy thing to do at all.

[@boyankovachev7982]

@@FlCl3000 Not easy, easier. Not that hard, if you want to adopt a kid, and the CPS think that you will be a good parent, you should be able to do it, and it shouldn't take years and years, sorry. Edit: Okay, thought about it for a second and agreed that easier isn't such a great idea. But, imo, it should be easier for people who have problems with conceiving a child. I mean, with all the background checks and stuff, but they were ready for a kid, hopefully. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this could become a thing only if we had a system in order to keep people from becoming parents. Like, so many parents are bad parents and aren't ready to be ones. So, maybe they should have been allowed to become parents.

[@FlCl3000]

@@boyankovachev7982 my mother worked with cps and I can promise you I do not want those people taking any shortcuts that involve a child. The process takes a long time to make sure someone has a hard time being negligent with the child’s safety. Cps is awful and we don’t want some 9-5er getting to decide on a whim and a clean background check that someone is good enough for a child or not. I wish there was a better way for children to be adopted but unless we are ok with a few more child murders or molesters a week we should keep that process arduous and thorough. If two million people want to adopt how many of them do you think are actually fit and safe for a child to go to? Hypothetically speaking. I’m genuinely curious. Most biological parents aren’t really fit or ready to have children so what standard should be out on would be parents trying to take on that responsibility?

[@phantomninja904]

Flip side of that argument. If the process wasn't so hard to adopt, someone might adopt a kid and harm him/her in any number of ways, phycologically, physically or emotionally. It would be wonderful if that wasn't the case, but the threat of such things and the wellbeing of the children need to take precedence. Rather than adoption more people should look into being foster care parents to give children good homes and moral values as they await adoption or come of age given the system is as dysfunctional it is. They may not have children to claim as their own legally, but they would touch the lives of many more children for the better. Also, for some unknown reason becoming a foster caretaker is an easier process than actually adopting a child for some ungodly reason.

[@grimleader4836]

The thing I love about asmongold is he can talk about issues like this and give you a very good argument with a very clear point. Even when you disagree with him you can at least respect he does try to see your point of view when you make a decent argument. Thank you asmongold.

[@BiggieBig_]

@@woodcutta6461 what life?

[@killtyrant]

@@woodcutta6461 Is that really what you think his argument is really boiled down to? Did you even watch the video??

[@kuhaku9587]

@@woodcutta6461 if you are a few days or a week pregnant let's be honest there is no real life in there. The issue is those who go at 6month old and rip apart and dismember a living baby. I knew someone who was born at 6 months.

[@orkinho1]

@@kuhaku9587 Life is a switch, it either is or not. You don't get more alive when you move from a drooling toddler to a 6 year old kid.

[@profanemagic5671]

@@killtyrant apparently you did not watch the video, or are very bad at comprehending his intend (probably because you're not native english) , but he NEVER said "abortions are not a big deal"

[@PowerOfStrings]

The classic Asmongold "omg..." everytime a cringe moment happens is priceless. :D

[@DiamondOrPoor78]

There is no constitutional amendment for the right to an abortion, in fact, the 10th amendment states "All powers not specifically given to the federal government are given to the states." So pretty much, whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, you can't deny that this is a State Right.

[@Highway-Hobo]

You have to look at the original ruling in Roe. The argument was that the 14th amendment IMPLIED the right to abortion. This court said in their examination of the 14th they found no such right and abortion is a matter that should be settled by the legislatures and states.

[@yagxr]

9:03… well that escalated quickly. i did not expect that lmaoo. 😂

[@luisma8391]

abortion Rap, 😂

[@Darkvoidninja]

we found the commie

[@srduncanbyu]

man...people with the "destroy everything" stance...i cannot take these arguments seriously. these government concepts and institutions are not incidental. and so nice to hear asmon talk about percentages! that needs to be brought up with every abortion discussion.

[@franciscopereira5760]

be ready for a "most peaceful" protest from feminists this summer

[@Simiocrates]

if you are referring to the guy that was rapping, that's what happens when someone has no idea what they are talking about and can only escalate the argument

[@rG1vZ]

I kinda get them if they're in an emotionally charged state tho. In this case i think it's understandable ppl are pissed off seeing their rights taken away

[@gothicpando]

@@rG1vZ Killing babies is not a right? Obviously...

[@gothicpando]

@@kevinweltje4604 as the dems used to say "safe legal and rare" now they have become so radicalized its "shout your abortion!" they don't see how far gone they are. they believe they are the only good.

[@remotecabinstudios]

The best interview style ever! Just smile and nod as people express themselves, that way they can't say they're being taken out of context.

[@thecomfytitan3813]

watched so many of these videos i might as well just watch asmongolds streams at this point

[@thunderrain789]

Only reason I don't is that I'm usually driving people around all day. Shame too, I really like listening to what he has to say about things.

[@mubblr]

DONT DO IT. then the balding STARTS 💧😔🪦❌❌

[@Aquadice502]

I watch his KZbin but I can't stand twitch.

[@Majin_Fuu]

Being involved with local legislation is more effective than whatever these ppl are doing/saying.

[@boblep0nge927]

"we should destroyed everything" lmao

[@franciscopereira5760]

be ready for a "most peaceful" protest from feminists this summer

[@joshanonline]

Well, they are working on it. Have you look around? Everything is falling apart.

[@npcnoticer]

Typical reddit/twitter commie lines he spews only

[@bodazaphfa]

Most of those fools think that it’s banned now. Nope, the USSC only stated that it’s not a federal issue. They stated that it’s a state by state issue.

[@DEichenberg]

If I buy a uterus in a jar and carry it with me, am I now a uterus haver?

[@CursdBirth]

The thing I hate about this whole topic is that ultimately it’s just an argument of semantics. When do YOU think life begins?

[@Red.Rabbit.Resistance]

on the outside it looks like that. On the inside its more so about compromised pregnancies being brought to term and mothers being forced to spend their life savings providing for an offspring that should never have been born. Its about money and recourses. More babies = more people spending money in the economy.

[@Red.Rabbit.Resistance]

@Allen im sure he is referring to what is considered sentient "life". which is arguable.

[@Red.Rabbit.Resistance]

@@GirthCheck they are not wrong. Humans get pregnant with human material. But thats what it is, its just material until its developed. If we take a cake out of an oven before we turn it on, is it a cake? Or is it a potential cake? Or is it just eggs and flour. thats the argument.

[@CursdBirth]

@@Red.Rabbit.Resistance Some people believe life begins at conception, some at 4 weeks, some at 24 weeks, some at birth. That's usually the factor into whether someone is "pro-life" or "pro-choice."

[@Red.Rabbit.Resistance]

@@CursdBirth Yes, well. Belief systems are personal and should be kept to yourselves. Facts are facts.

[@OokamiTsu]

The fact that people think religious BELIEFS are valid arguments in any situation its already stupid.

[@meireland7370]

Completely agree. It’s better to use logic and science. Life starts at conception per biology and embryology. Religion is not important to the debate. The debate becomes should a woman have the right to end a human life or not.

[@dylangreen4725]

@@meireland7370 and they do

[@undauntable6456]

@@dylangreen4725 No they clearly don't. How about woman take responsibility and practice safe sex and learn to keep their legs closed. That seems a more reasonable proposition don't you think?. But god forbid if you expect anyone to take even a ounce of responsibility these days. If you think its ok to take a life because you've made a bad decision they you are and will always be a pos

[@EldestZelot]

@@meireland7370 Life does not begin per conception, it is not considered alive until the native streak/primitive streak forms even by more extreme standards (2 weeks) and gestationally 9 weeks is when the embryo can be considered constitutionally becoming human, as until that point it is visually unidentifiable from any mammalian embryo.

[@orionfell]

@@meireland7370 if life begins at conception anyone who uses a condom is preemptively killing babies by preventing the sperm from reaching the egg

[@TaraSmallss]

This girl I know thinks it is illegal now to get her IUD changed. We were at Buffalo wild wings on the Fourth of July, and she stood up at the table and was like “ i’m not going to celebrate a country who will let me die if I have an epitopic pregnancy” I asked her if she was stupid, and told her that is not what this is. You were still able to have life-saving medical procedures. And abortion it’s only when you go to the doctor and your only intent is to terminate a healthy pregnancy. People just don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about

[@TheTexasSmoker]

Roe did not force any woman to do something they did not want to do. But the REVERSAL of Roe will force women to do something they do not want to do.

[@lennysmileyface]

No it doesn't. It leaves it up to the state and not the federal government. Some states will make it illegal and some will make it legal.

[@PuzzleBox83]

@@lennysmileyface And the states that will make it illegal will force women to do something they do not want to do. Do you not get that? It is the Supreme Court's job to protect our Rights. You know, like Body Autonomy.

[@lennysmileyface]

​@@PuzzleBox83 That is not the point of the Supreme Court. The point is to interpret the Constitution to make sure that the federal government is following the rules. They do not give you rights and they do not decide the law or rule on the moral rights people should have. They didn't use bodily autonomy as the reason for the right to abortion, they used privacy. If you want the right to abortion federally you need an amendment to the Constitution and not the Supreme Court to rule on it. Do you not see how having the Supreme Court pushing through things that people want regardless of what the Constitution allows could be incredibly dangerous?

[@extremesheep5986]

Yeah no this ain't a can of worms I'm gonna open 😂

[@JeromeBakerSmoke]

? not a can of worms. Its just simple human rights. no argument to be had really

[@metacube9913]

wat

[@arandomguardsmen]

@@JeromeBakerSmoke it’s not a right

[@Boxingdiehard]

@@JeromeBakerSmoke murdering your own unborn child is not a right lmao

[@marlonendri490]

@@Boxingdiehard fetus arnt alife nor sentient so no its not murder

[@yaggity]

The lady at 17:20 is kinda cool. I’m an atheist but there’s nothing wrong with believing in your feeling and it takes a lot of guts to go out into society dressed like that. Lots of confidence. Most people making fun of her are afraid of social interaction

[@zetterburger]

Yeah, no. Nobody’s afraid of that creature because of “social interaction”. Lmao.

[@leedy2773]

@@zetterburger copium

[@zetterburger]

@@leedy2773 right, that’s what you guys are huffing

[@yaggity]

@@zetterburger you live on the internet and your parents wish you were different. Maximum cope

[@laerendor793]

It doesn't take any guts to dress like that and go out in a GROUP. First time alone maybe.. But she didn't even pick the garments herself as it's a uniform. If people mock her style, she'll just pray for their souls and blame the churchs taste.

[@zman1234]

Bacteria is life on Mars but a heart beat isn’t life on earth weird. Tom macdonald

[@biropgrules]

the problem with basing your entire legal stance of precedence, is that its not enshrined in law. like... They had decades and decades to try and work to get this actually enshrined in law, and they never did it. This should have been top 1 priority after that trial so long ago, and get this officially and clearly stated in law, so that it would be much harder to repeal and avoid this very same thing. mind you, im pro choice, but frankly this should never have happened. the americans who wanted to have this right to remain should have done so much more to actually get this right into actual law, rather than being satisfied with it being a precedent based right. because laws based on precedents can be repealed very easily. just like what happened here.

[@capadociaash8003]

I’m pro life, but I do agree that it should’ve been a law or it shouldn’t have. Now that it’s repealed there’s a huge mess and legal confusion. If we had been decisive we would have avoided this whole mess.

[@fokare692]

There has never been a moment where a law like that would have passed. Even if Obama could have somehow managed it, we probably wouldn’t have had the ACA.

[@maybecole]

The guy rapping: "...I represent the unborn..." uh my guy lol

[@leritykay8911]

Purely based on the concepts alone, in a question of pro-life vs. pro-choice, I'm heavily leaning pro choice. Say what you will about abortion in terms of morality and such, but it at least must be an option for people. A hard choice is better then a hard forced situation

[@reedschadegg9023]

Still is....just live in a state that agrees

[@leritykay8911]

@@reedschadegg9023 Oh yeah definitely. I don't even live in the US, just shared my thought

[@DunningofKruger]

The point of democracy is that such moral quandaries are resolved by the legislature, not the judiciary. Reppealing Roe v Wade will allow certain states to outlaw abortion, but it’s the right of the governed to choose what they are governed by in democracy.

[@acejohnson81]

@@reedschadegg9023 This is the inane equivalent of "git gud."

[@stripes616]

I had a friend in high school who was 2 grades higher than me. I’m gonna call her K. One time we over heard these two girls who were talking about something dealing with abortion on the news. I wasn’t friends with the two girls but K was because they were in the same grade. When K heard what they were talking about she.went.off. about how horrible abortion was even though they weren’t even talking to us 😅 and I could tell the two girls were shocked by it and one of them literally got up and said something like “okay I’m gonna leave before she gets out of hand.” And the thing I find funny is, several years after that, K ended up getting an abortion. When she told me she got an abortion, I had to bite my tongue about the incident in high school because I found it so hypocritical. We fell out of touch a while ago but I always think about this whenever I see people fighting about abortion lol

[@TheAlex11880]

I mean, her views could have easily changed after highschool. Mine changed on plenty of things.

[@dingdring6317]

It's funny how peoples moral convictions change when it affects them. I'm saying this as a pro lifer btw.

[@Cocytus127]

Remember, ladies. Your bodily autonomy doesn't begin with a pregnancy.

[@Dankmanuel]

Doesn't end there either.

[@Cocytus127]

@@Dankmanuel The way everyone is acting recently you'd think it was forgotten.

[@dukajoe]

It's 65% opposed for partial / near total ban, and actually 87 for total ban, so it depends on which state law to choose which number to cite

[@kabine1]

70% support access to abortion 70% support restrictions on abortion

[@Bradmhj]

Not one single kid in foster care when questioned “would u rather of been aborted or alive in foster care?” would answer “yes I’d rather not exist and not have my life”

[@filthyfrickenpig1757]

@@Bradmhj surprisingly not so true unfortunately

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

@@Bradmhj I'm not sure if that's true, but it's not really relevant either. The kids who are in foster care typically weren't put up for adoption at birth- rather they were put up for adoption at a later point in life after the parents died or messed up in some way.. Adoption at birth is in extremely high demand- there are more parents looking to adopt than there are babies who can be adopted. So, make no mistake, the majority of women who get abortions do so merely for their own convenience.

[@ZeroDoll]

There are medical time (first 3 or 4 months) restrictions for abortions. So no doctor would perform the abortion beyond those limits. The main Question is the right for the woman to deciede during that period of time if she wants to let the fetus grow inside her body or not. Those who decide that they want to keep being pregnant can do so, but those women who don't want to keep the pregnancy should have the right to decide for themselves. Nothing else matters: Not the future of the new born child or other aspects of this Question.

[@Kirinketsu_]

There are babies prematurely born at 4 months, and they survive and grow up to be normal You do know there are states that allow abortions until birth, even after birth?

[@Highway-Hobo]

"fathers have no parental rights because i say so"

[@R.E.E.D.]

Why couldn't she decide if she wanted to let the fetus grow inside her or not before performing the act that placed the fetus inside her? Are women mindless s*x addicted animals who can't say "no"?

[@erichooper2794]

You just argued for the killing of a human for another persons convenience

[@ghevisartor6005]

in the Us that limit is 22-24 weeks not 12-16.

[@primalzacama1867]

Don't like how he disregarded the hypothetical about a 15yo. The way he did it was very immature and he moved right on because he didn't want to think about it at that moment but that person had a point.

[@justamoogle5268]

"The government should just f away" Wait so are you pro roe v Wade overturn or not? Okey wtf, that guy is definitely crazy 😂

[@jerbaancap5244]

Haha people are stupid

[@hieatus1039]

Well hes referring to the state government as well. So your argument is invalid.

[@harrylong2796]

it's not a question of when life begins it is a question of when that life becomes sentient and aware - trees are life but they aren't sentient so there is no stigma in brutally dismembering them or killing them

[@BraveExcalibur]

The smartest comment here ^^

[@chenugent]

This is the best comment I think I’ve ever read

[@nieczshe]

theres a bunch of people on the streets that are barely sentient :D

[@spookshow6999]

At conception.

[@davyk515]

@@spookshow6999 do you have memories of when you were conceived?

[@prkchpsnaplsaws2322]

McConnell had me yelling and shouting in agreement

[@semperk1482]

Mcconnell isn't a soft shell of his former self like Asmon has become. Everything Asmon says will be criticized by thousands of hatewatchers and his fans, then posted on LSF untilhe apologizes. He used to be able to say his opinions without being beholden to whatever the majority of chat or Reddit agrees with. It's gotten so ridiculous people believe Asmon is a supporter of saudi arabia because he defended Mizkif taking a sponsorship to go play Fortnite at some stupid Esports tournament in their country.

[@justinmadrid8712]

This Supreme Court ruling actually is actually a neutral and fair ruling. They correctly recognized that the federal government has no ability to legalize abortion, but what people don't realize is that they are also recognizing that *the federal government does not have the power to ban abortion either.* The constitution clearly states that each individual state should decided upon this by voting. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg herself stated that the Roe v. Wade decision was weak and improper. If the Supreme Court was truly acting with "old, white Christian bias", they would have declared that abortion was violating the right to life of a baby, effectively banning abortion. Instead, they followed the constitution properly, and left the issue for each individual state to vote on. If you give the federal government undue power, _even if you agree with it,_ that undue power WILL be used against you someday. This is whole entire reason we have 50 individual states, so that no one entity has absolute power.

[@emilyschoener5441]

Appreciate McConnell dropping in to tell everyone to actually listen to the arguments. That’s what I do.

[@rightwingersexposed8800]

His arguments as always are the most uneducated , the reason why people are protesting the supreme court decision is not because the court is deciding something but because it was already decided on the supreme court level as precedent

[@snowyowl5556]

@@rightwingersexposed8800shocking that they overturned a ruling that even liberals admitted was sp poorly written lol

[@Babigoldfish]

That logic is dog shit. He does know about voter restriction right? And do you even know the policies of your candidate or only the good sides? There’s a tons of poor people in America, do they have the luxury of time to invest in their candidates?

[@rightwingersexposed8800]

@@andreytsybiskin6831 That's false u think that many people think that abortion is generally prohibited. What most people understand unlike you is that multiple senior GOP politicians like mike pence u remember him right? the vice president said they will aim to pass a law banning abortion nationally if they get in power 2022-2024

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@rightwingersexposed8800 Just that you cannot, since eliminating Roe delegated abortion policy to states. The purpose was to allow states to make their own abortion laws based on what their electorate believes it should be.

[@Teh_Duck]

I always view the abortion arguments as semantics, the whole thing is so emotionally/religion driven that people argue over what should be grounding points (such as when life starts). It seems like everyone has a differing opinion because there is not a lot of set in stone facts to go by for the whole argument. Im of the opinion that abortion is bad and sucks, it should not be used lightly, However making it illegal will just force it underground and unregulated. I don't think the states or government should be able to prevent people from getting abortions but I also don't know where lines should be drawn because there is no "right line" per say because its a moral argument. In a hypothetic situation I would rather have a fetus be aborted than to be brought into a family where A. The family couldn't sufficiently provide for the child thus poor living conditions B. The fetus developed a defect of some kind that the family doesn't want to deal with/force the child to live through, or C. The child simply isn't wanted and wouldn't be raised properly or would just be tossed into foster care. The topic sucks to talk about and I hate it due to people having it be such a heated argument when it really shouldn't be, and being hostile to anyone who disagrees with you wont solve anything and will just make things worse. I hope anyone who read through this has a nice (and hopefully peaceful) day because topics like this tend to make a whole day suck.

[@ericx6969]

People ignore fundamental right to kill and death like if it inhumane to abort is it inhumane to test animals etc lol

[@Kullerva171]

Unfortunately discussion about this topic will almost always be heated -- because people's lives are at stake. So, so many lives will be ruined in states that illegalize abortions, women that die from them (pregnancies forced to come to conclusion) and the children that cannot be provided for because they were forced births will all live completely ruined lives. It could be better, but the people voting to illegalize abortion wont vote for anything to help the kids after theyre out of the womb. Pro-life until the kid pops out the womb, then they're on their own, no more help from the "pro-lifer"s.

[@Kullerva171]

@@LooseHangNail It's insane to think that we're going so far back in time legally that we're copying Saudi Arabia's laws.

[@qapiojg]

Is there any reasonable answer for where life begins other than conception? After that point it has its own unique DNA, it's able to take in, process, and output nutrients. Is there really any question for anyone who isn't completely biased to argue that it isn't alive? Like it meets every scientific requirement for life, hell the entire genome is present you can screen for diseases and possible cancers or if we had the entire genome mapped you could see every feature they'll possess as they age barring external circumstance. I've never once heard a reasonable and objective argument for anywhere else being the beginning of life

[@rahn45]

My answer to the question is "Wait a few months". If the question remains the same, then what can you do?

[@BiggieBig_]

I love how when asmon agrees with the guy that said morals shouldn’t be made into laws and says he’s 95% right, there is people spamming murder, slavery, robbery, etc, like bitch what do you think the 5% is for?

[@SolaticSyot]

Yea but it seems like most law has some basis in morality, so I don't think you can just say morals shouldn't be made in to laws. Like maybe not all morals need to be codified into law, but saying morals shouldn't be made into law isn't even 95% right, more like 5% right.

[@PuzzleBox83]

@@SolaticSyot You missed the point. Most law has some basis in morality, but most MORALITY has no basis in Law. E.G. Lying. Lying is immoral, we all agree to this, but there are no laws against it unless it is a breech of contract or under oath. Cheating on your spouse is immoral, also not against the Law. Like he said 95% of immoral things we do as humans are lawful.

[@PuzzleBox83]

@@christerjakobsen8107 That isn't a solely "Christian Moral Teaching." It is the basis of empathy and has been around long before Christianity. China has a very similar ancient philosophy "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."

[@SolaticSyot]

@@PuzzleBox83 The argument is that morals shouldn't be made into laws, yet as I said and you have agreed, most laws have a basis in morality. Of course some are largely derived from a commonly shared morality but that's neither here nor there. So I'm not sure what you're point is. I'm not under the impression that all morals are laws, and I'm not really of the opinion that all morality should be codified into law.

[@PuzzleBox83]

@@SolaticSyot The point of the comment is that 95% of our Morals are not made into Laws. You seem to agree with that, so I don't get what you are arguing. Yes, Laws are based on Morals. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything. Most Morals are not Laws, so something being Moral doesn't mean shit legally.

[@KeytarArgonian]

This entire thing is 2 debates. The religious/moral one, and the legal/political one. The problem is, the best outcomes of both those 2 debates get you opposite answers overall.

[@RealSkoolmaster]

and the scientific/ignorant one. Whether a cell dividing into a highly complex organism is life or not. Let a single celled self replicating organism be found in space. The debate over whether its life or not will change Very quickly.

[@rufrox9947]

@@RealSkoolmaster 1st stage of human development can't be compared to space bacteria.

[@RealSkoolmaster]

@@rufrox9947 why not? Bacteria are considered life, and they are single celled organisms that replicate only into themselves. The cells forming the baby are developing into a far more complex form of life. It is VERY comparable. It is cellular biology at its almost most basic. Its the entire debate about viruses and whether they are life not, since there is no self replication. There is no debate around whether the cells are replicating, changing, dividing, growing. We will classify everything else as life, but when the Exact Same Standards are applied to a human baby in development, its suddenly different? Thats cherry-picking your science.

[@KangMinseok]

@@rufrox9947 "Life... uh... finds a way." - Gordon Freeman, April 15th 1865

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

Funny how no scientific side ever shows up to these things, or at least was never on camera. I think a lot of people don't understand that alive doesn't automatically mean sentient. It's all semantics though because different people have a different idea on when the child becomes a person as this video shows.

[@grimmow187]

just stop having sex? or have it responsibly? its not only immoral to kill a child but also you're wasting tax payer dollars dealing with YOUR MISTAKE.

[@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ]

McConnell was the voice of reason in this video lol.

[@Alex-eq8km]

New drinking game: take a drink every time he says “what’s this here”

[@MrKommienezuspadt]

For me its about what is good for society and banning abortion is probably the number one way to cripple society almost immediately. Access to abortion doesn't exist on a whim, there are structural reasons why abortions exist and must continue to exist whether you ban it or not.

[@atanas-nikolov]

How is Poland crippled though? I hear this argument, but it sounds nonsensical to me. I mean, we can support abortion, but let's not pretend that lack of abortion will somehow destroy the world.

[@Allforthefunbaby]

Most aborted fetuses get used in medicine unfortunately. Its kinda sick. But I guess when your roots come from the mega racist Margaret Sanger, the fruits will be bitter too.

[@rahn45]

"What's the difference between a clump of cells and a baby?" "A few months?" "And that's worth killing over?" "YES!"

[@joshanonline]

After 22 weeks, a Fetus can be extracted and survive without the Mother. Abortion is the literal killing of said Fetus, even up to 8 months in California. They CHOOSE to have it killed. Not everyone is okay with that. I don't like the genocide Chinese are doing. Most people don't care and just keep buying their phones.

[@bandit6272]

A fully grown human is just a larger clump of cells. There's no rational line. How large a clump is too large to abort?

[@mdrago2098]

@@bandit6272 '' A fully grown human is just a larger clump of cells'' Bro that's you most humans are sentient not brain dead

[@bandit6272]

@@mdrago2098 You, and all humans are nothing more than a relatively large clump of cells. That's called a eukaryotic life form. You and me. Now whether one of us is "braindead" that depends, but it doesn't change or alter the fact that we (unless you're a bot) are both a large clump of cells. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[@mdrago2098]

@@bandit6272 Animals are also a clump of cells however we differentiate between Humans and animals (Also yes I know humans are animals however the point is they're different)

[@andrews7975]

I mean I'm pro choice but a lot of these arguments suck and are just feeling based on both sides. Truly wish any of them were aware of the socio economic benefits to safe legal abortions as well as the crime rate/safety issues. Also overturning roe didn't outlaw it it just made it so states determine everyone's medical rights. Not even just women's in regards to abortion. Makes me sad that the restricted discourse leaves only room for feelings to butt heads. I dislike abortions but to make them unavailable to the people who need them because you want some others to "deal with the repercussions of their choices" is truly an inhumane stance. Theres so many cases.

[@milansovilj1247]

I mean not everyone's a scholar. People feel what they feel, and that's the point. That's why choice is so crucial in this.

[@jakeshively5092]

But also the pro choice side doesn’t want people to be informed on the development process inside the womb.. because if they really knew.. they could see that this is wrong. A fetus (baby) feels pain at least at 20 weeks (most likely even earlier than that). We know because in cases that require surgery in the womb, the baby winces and pulls away in response to the prodding of surgical instruments. If that baby feels pain and has the ability to pull away in response, than is it not a human life capable of dissent? Implying sentience and consciousness? I don’t see how you can arrive at any other explanation

[@ayanonight7700]

These babys will end up inside garbage cans and teens will be in prison for murder. That world will be so full of love. Yeah, sure.

[@snappycenter7863]

Another relevant is what the most common reasons women get abortions is... and it's not rape, incest or life-threatening medical conditions. Score one for the pro-life side there.

[@LordKilmir]

@@snappycenter7863 Most common is women who already have multiple children and can't handle more but still got pregnant. I don't see how this is a pro-life "win".

[@vickygraham2444]

"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

[@tendatonda1634]

The perfect target "demographic" for ben shapiro, advocate for the unborn then forget about the people that actually currently exist.

[@iii_kuzan981]

the fact that in the US if a woman got raped she is not allowed to abort the child and has to live with the child of her rapist or the fact that if the birth of the child can harm the woman and still can't abort is so crazy to me I'm not from the USA so please someone tell me that I misunderstood something

[@fataliecatalie899]

You did- there are exclusions to the law- if someone is raped/victim of incest or the mother’s life is in danger, then they can make the choice to have an abortion.

[@ivodijkman137]

6:45 McConnel speaking straight facts there-

[@Jet-ij9zc]

13:00 when the dude accidentally argues for overturning the law

[@Chihiro-Kikuchi]

“If it jeopardises the life of the mother…” the numbers thats the case is .o65% according to statistics 🤣

[@metamon2704]

Nonsense, giving birth is ALWAYS a medical emergency.

[@emarskineel]

I also don’t think anyone but the most insane nuts would oppose abortion in that case.

[@ShinyFood]

im sure people who get abortions aren't pogging out either its a difficult and sad choice they make. but they should be able to make it

[@pg3973]

They should be able to make the choice to kill their baby because they just don’t want it? 🤔 We could have a discussion on the small percentage that is from SA and r@pe, abortion would make more sense in these cases. And obviously any medical emergency, ectopic pregnancy, etc the women will always be able to end the pregnancy in those cases, as it’s always been even before roe vs wade.

[@Yedsaid]

Lol rapping dude said “I do this for the unborn children.” While he at a pro abortion rally. Um all the unborn babies wanna say thanks for helping keep them unborn 😭🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[@kilzor7025]

Thats a great way of missing the point. Being born to parents who dont want you isnt really a good start to any life. They grow up to parents who neglect /hate them, or are abandoned, also thats only thinking about the child. The parents have to endure a child they dont want, the woman has to go through a painful birth of a child she does'nt want, which can have a lot of different consequences.

[@kilzor7025]

@@oriculom did you know that contraceptives are not 100% safe?

[@darkrager872]

@@oriculom And what about the case of contraception failure? Or rape?

[@NIN_Mase]

@@kilzor7025 dems are so funny. They throw out a huge small percentage of abortions while wanting all guns banned based on a TINY percentage shooting deaths. Hilarious.

[@kilzor7025]

@@NIN_Mase So abortions are really about womens rights, and ofc. to not have babies that are unwanted, because in most cases they wont have a good upbringing. So there are no repercussion for banning abortions, unless you argue that fetuses are equal to humans, which at most stages of pregnancy is just not true. There are repercussion of not restrictring guns with gun laws. People buy automatic weapons with 0 background checks. Obviously this will result in some very bad circumstances, which could be easily regulated with simple laws and background checks. I dont think its about major or minor percentages, just really easy stuff to implement to make it be safer, and also for people to feel more safe, which is actually a huge bonus on its own

[@bhackaa]

I wanted think McConnell was saying something dumb, but then it became ingenious.

[@fordgtguy]

@@DreamingVoid They didn't because they construed and twisted the constitution to make it a right when it was never in the constitution to begin with. So, any progress or attempt towards adding it to the constitution or changing state laws on abortion stopped in the 70s.

[@robcosta4186]

What he said was dumb. The guy was saying they should be able to vote whos in the supreme court, not have every state vote.

[@bhackaa]

@@robcosta4186 Well, you can't vote for Supreme Court appointment, so if you're saying they shouldn't decide because you couldn't vote for them then that's exactly what happened.

[@robcosta4186]

@@bhackaa you missed the assignment my guy.

[@bhackaa]

@@robcosta4186 So original bro. No, you're just upset about something you can't change like most Americans rather than trying to actually understand how the system works. You've missed the entirety of reality. If it upsets you then get your shit together, and get in a position to make change.

[@Matt561]

It's nice that the people in chat that say just don't have sex then or close your legs have completely forgotten rape exists.

[@ManCheat2]

pretty sure only like 5% of abortions is rape buddy.

[@ericmiller9522]

"it does work, just not for you." BRO IF I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING MORE TRUE IN MY ENTIRE 30 YEARS OF LIFE. It's gross to watch how much this country has regressed

[@peytonalexander5300]

Abortion is the one topic that will always be an absolute dumpster fire. It's impossible to come to anything resembling a true consensus, because both sides have a differing opinion of what "humanity" means, and where it begins. This isn't a scientific question, it's a philosophical one. Both sides just misrepresent each other's ideas endlessly until one gets a victory over the other, then the mud-smearing and fear-mongering continues, until a few years later, things swing back the other way. It's always going to be that way, because nobody can objectively define the nature of humanity.

[@beany119]

and everyone will always try to define what humanity is, not realising that there is no one way to define what makes someone or something ‘human’

[@franciscopereira5760]

be ready for a "most peaceful" protest from feminists this summer

[@rG1vZ]

I think personhood shouldn't rly matter that much. The issue here is bodily autonomy. Let's say i grant that the fetus is a person, would a person normally have rights to use another's body without consent? Ultimately anti choice aren't arguing for equal rights for the fetus, they're arguing for special rights.

[@root6572]

A fetus is by biological definition: 1. Alive. 2. Human. You can open any biology text book and pick any "life" definition you want, a fetus will conform to that and I hope I don't need to tell you that anything that has human DNA is in fact a human. Anything else is just you drawing an arbitrary line you think you can defend. Obviously when I say "you" I don't mean you personally. Just imagine how evil that comment you wrote sounds if said about people debating on if we should kill retarded and handicapped people cause "who can define what humanity is".

[@gothicpando]

@@rG1vZ Would a landlord be able to murder their renter? It's a responsiblity issue. the woman and man both know how a baby is made. once a baby is made it is now the babys body. period.

[@mattgolds9226]

This subject doesn’t concern Zack 💯% because he plans on never having intercorce again 😇

[@DriveCancelDC]

OBJECTION! Speculation

[@mintymus]

So if you don't have sex you can't have an opinion?

[@emred4653]

"uterus havers" lmao not even a minute in

[@TheWheelman298]

so a woman....

[@AegisRick]

I feel sorry for that guy's mom too, but not for the same reason.

[@whiteytallfoo]

Can we hear from a logical non evangelical pro life person or a non-super woke pro abortion person because he literally spoke to crazies the whole time with no logical arguments. We live in the world of Idiocracy.

[@dixen9116]

There are no logical non-evangelical pro-life people.

[@cronotriggered4314]

It’s a pro choice rally and you’re expecting non radical opinions? Most of these peoples opinions were pretty logical, but people who are more moderate on the issue aren’t going to take to the streets.

[@thekittykarate]

Those kind of people are the only kind that the "Channel 5" guy talks to.

[@whiteytallfoo]

I guess y'all are right... The only people who might have a logical stance likely have jobs and responsibilities to take care of. Too bad these are the same people that scream the most on Twitter and all the politicians in office think are the "voices of the people"

[@meireland7370]

I mean, biologically life begins at conception. It’s difficult that that new human life shares the same space with the mother. But it’s a separate life scientifically speaking. Open any biology or embryology book and it will say that when the gametes combine a new, separate human life begins. It’s literally the first stage of human development. So the question isn’t about “my body my choice”. It’s a case of “is it legal for a woman to end a human life”

[@hotstankygarbage788]

I'm not left or right or whatever but I think it should be up to individual states to decide if abortion is legal or not in their state.

[@franciscopereira5760]

yep, its not even a constituional right to have an abortion, people think it is, and are being violent cuz of it

[@ivansciacca7810]

This is what IS GONNA HAPPEN NOW... Litteraly.

[@donavyn6326]

I just don’t like the state thing bc it’s like okay let me drive 2 hours to another state for it

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

@@franciscopereira5760 I mean, it was law that it was a protected right until the other week so like >_>

[@ShadowTasos]

That's the right wing position, an inherently cowardly fence-sitty position since you know that multiple states will decide that it's not legal. So you're saying that it's ok for abortion to be illegal in parts of the country, with extra steps. You're ok with Christian extremism.

[@ashlerstanley2]

I think the point when taken the decision when the abortion is done is the most important part. After a certain points it becomes very very morbid

[@PuzzleBox83]

After a certain point it is only done for the safety of the Mother. 99.9% of Late term abortions are done for medical reasons. 90% of them are done at or before 12 weeks.

[@Crowski]

Yeah. I currently know a woman who’s 25 weeks pregnant, her baby is having non stop seizures. Doctors are forcing her to wait for her baby to die inside of her or dies after she gives birth…. It’s so messed up and I’m crying for her.

[@TemmiePlays]

does this woman live in a third world country, or in your dreams? Even states that banned it added and addendum that overrides the law when it comes to health and safety. I literally can't believe you

[@Crowski]

@@TemmiePlays America seems to be turning into a third world country. :( She’s from Arizona. Luckily her go fund me got her enough money to travel and get the abortion done. ($17k procedure) plus $8000 for a place to stay…. So horrible she even has to do that. Why be called the United States if they aren’t United. :((

[@DellikkilleD]

@@TemmiePlays then you arent paying attention, like at all. states like texas for example, will let you die first out of fear of prosecution

[@fokare692]

@@TemmiePlaysWell well well. This is exactly the story playing out in Texas right now, the “health overrides” are bullshit because Republicans don’t actually give a fuck.

[@near--zero]

my body my choice except when its vaccines

[@asteria9963]

people like you will always make this dumb comparison because all you can think of is your own, self-centered self. whether or not you are vaccinated affects mutation and infection rates, which correlates to the amount of people dying. you always have the choice to skip the vaccine and stay at home, but no, you want to do absolutely nothing (because you're an egotist) and STILL get to mingle with the rest of us (who don't even want you around because of how insufferable you are). get fucked.

[@Xornicus]

False equivalency

[@enragedares5992]

​@@Xornicus how ?

[@Brejamlyn]

False equivalency

[@Dragonfire2505]

Makeing abortions illegal just leads to one thing. Pain. Who would suffer more? A child that gets aborted before it can feel anything or a child that gets born into a family that cant/dont want to care for it?

[@chatter4427]

Those people don’t care lol it’s just a team sport

[@user-jx5dt4mp9y]

They dont care. As long as it gets born to make the mother “take responsibility for her actions” then its fine in their eyes. The child can not be fed enough, live in unhealthy conditions/environment, be resented by the family. In their eyes thats great! Just as long as its born. When it grows up to not go to college and work thru highschool to pay bills due to their family being poor theyll just tell that child theyre lazy for working a low end job and should just go to college instead while having sympathy or understanding for their situation. So when that child has a baby they cant afford the cycle can repeat. Kinda outlandish so ill seperate it, but theres also a belief that the right (because they support the wealthy over the average person) want these poor families to have children that wont have a future. They need bottomline workers to do the manual labor / minimum wage jobs so their company can profit. Best way to ensure you have minimum wage workers is to make sure poor people have as many babies as possible.

[@Biophotogenesis]

"We gotta give the choice back"...That's exacly what was done.

[@alchemi8085]

Wrong. The choice is up to the state now, not the individual.

[@sparklenutafgo5312]

yeah, except the 14th amendment (on which Roe v. Wade was settled) is in place to prevent states from having individual authority to make decisions that can infringe upon bodily autonomy.

[@ManCheat2]

@@alchemi8085 And who controls the state? Thats right, the people.....

[@Laroac]

@@GrooveSpaceArk The whole point is that the individual should have that choice and now it was taken away in many states.

[@BasedVeteran]

the lack of education in this country is scary.

[@AeonAdam]

As a pro-life liberal every conversation about this has been a headache, especially since my friend group is mainly liberal.

[@RoundBaguette]

You don't get a say on this if you're a guy

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

@@Eureka2003 in all fairness if a guy dictates how a woman should handle their own bodies that's sexist in and of itself right?

[@nemanjanika2984]

How about making abortion legal and then allowing all conservative/hardcore religious types to just decline the abortion? Who cares.

[@Keldor1152]

@@SnailSnail-lo4pm A pro-lifer doesn't view it as a matter of bodily autonomy but about the life of their child. It's easy to argue that a guy should have a say when it's their own child that's getting murdered. Especially if they really want to keep it but can do nothing. They have no say.

[@Simiocrates]

@@RoundBaguette Should only men decide if a man is financially responsible for an unwanted baby? Or should women get an opinion on that?

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

I like how during covid when people used this argument for not having the jab they didn't care

[@Aquadice502]

Which arguement is that?

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

@@Aquadice502 my body my choice ,respect personal autonomy etc.

[@Aquadice502]

@@fistimusmaximus6576 Do you believe all choices in life should be free from consequence?

[@dannydude6]

@@Aquadice502 if the consequence is taking away their rights, then no

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

@@Aquadice502 well if your talking about pro choice im undecided at the moment. I feel too uninformed to have a set position and would been to research and hear information for and against.

[@zack6192]

Roe vs wade used the liberty clause to decide the case. Instead they should have used the 9th amendment argument. Short of a constitutional amendment or revision of an existing constitutional amendment this will stand.

[@neuuser7071]

There’s no authority for the federal government to intervene in how a state deals with abortion.

[@neuuser7071]

@SealTeamPepega ya, no. I’m just asserting my rights as a citizen.

[@Highway-Hobo]

Roe was based on the 14th amendment. The argument was that the 14th provides an implied right to privacy, and that right to privacy provides a right to abortion.

[@DunkCanzGaming]

19:10 the problem is that nobody is forcing anybody to do anything in this case

[@Prominexus]

Honestly this is 100% a moral issue. The way I see it is "Does it have a heartbeat?" If you can determine if someone's dead by the absence of a heartbeat the logical next step is life begins at a heartbeat.

[@caiburrows4317]

No bro, people are legally dead when they are registered "brain dead" which means it no longer has signs of consciousness which is exactly what a fetus doesn't have?

[@Pottan23]

The left will argue that a heartbeat is not enough because it's not a fully formed human. Ironic because we're born "not fully formed".

[@mintymus]

True. Also people who murder pregnant women are charged with 2 murders, not 1.

[@romofin]

@@Pottan23 Yeah it always feels like pure copium, the takes people will bring up to justify killing a baby. Yeah sure, the baby doesn't have conscious thought or awareness of existence in the womb. But IT WILL if you fucking give it a chance, IT WILL grow into a human being if you allow it to. It's one my main issues with their arguments, they want the convenience of not having to deal with an unwanted child but they won't concede that the thing in their womb IS a living human being. Hearing that woman say that a baby isn't alive until the second after it's pushed through a vagina is insanity to me.

[@Moncrom]

@@Pottan23 The baby is not even sentient in the third month of the pregancy. It's at that point just a complex lumb of cells without any capacity of thought, feeling or suffering.

[@KazaarLotha]

The generation before boomers was called the silent generation.

[@matheus5556661]

It's sad to see that despite having so much knowledge about human biology, so many people still have no idea about the process of fertilization and development of the fetus, which leads to absurdly stupid comments and opinions. I'm a Christian but I'm also a university student in biological sciences and I was sad to see so much lack of understanding. My OPINION is that in the first stages of embryonic development there is no "life" as much as we don't consider a sperm, or a blood cell a living being, they have their cellular functions and work but it ends there, there is no consciousness, just like the blastula e grastula does not have a complex system to be called life, but when the embrio enters the fetus stage it is another story and there are already notable formations of limbs and organs and signs of consciousness, but until reaching this stage it takes weeks or months that could be taking into account the pregnant woman's opinion whether she wants an abortion or not. again just an opinion and a little bit of science.

[@fordgtguy]

This is why most states are more in the middle ground on abortion. Look at Glenn Youngkin of Virginia, a republican governor, has called for only banning abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy unless there are special circumstances.

[@qapiojg]

We don't consider sperm of a blood cell a living being because they're PART of a living being. They share their genetic code with every other cell produced by said living being. That isn't the case for a fetus. As soon as both haploids combine to form a new and unique human genome, it is alive. Consciousness is not required for life, complex systems are not required for life, organs and limbs are not required for life. The only thing required for life is for something to be able to take in and process nutrients. The added requirement for being human life is to have a unique human genome. There's no other reasonable way to look at it.

[@MrRavellon]

If this is what you've been taught then your college really fucking sucks. Every cell is a living entity. Not a discrete living being but it is life. A self-replicating RNA strand would be considered life. Viruses aren't considered life only because they don't grow or replicate on their own, they need external entity to facilitate that. Without it they are completely dormant. A zygote does. As it exists within its environment, it has internal processes that cause it to grow and replicate for as long as there are resources available for it. Any judgment as to at what stage a zygote become a human is arbitrary. The only objective measure is that it is a new human being at the moment of egg cell fertilization. I am not against abortion in principle. I just want people to be honest: they are killing a human by performing it. Under what circumstances such a killing is justified is the matter of the debate around abortion.

[@TheBackwardsLegsMan]

@@qapiojg It doesn't matter if something is alive or not. People with total brain death are also 'alive' but we are okay with killing them because the things that make them human - their thoughts, feelings, personality, memories - all of that is gone. A fetus in the early stages of development doesn't even have the physical ability to possess any of this, since it doesn't have a brain. And no, rudimentary nerves don't count, since you don't have thoughts, feelings, personality or memories embedded in your spinal cord. Why should you even care about an arbitrary cluster of cells with none of that? Who cares if it has the potential to develop all that. It doesn't have it now and if you terminate the pregnancy before any of that develops it never begins to exist in the first place. Who cares if something has the 'human genome'? That's such an arbitrary requirement since, again, a person who experiences complete brain death also has the 'human genome' but nobody cares about that, so you can't really use that for the basis of what constitutes a 'human' unless you're also going to require the state to keep brain dead patients alive as well.

[@stillwellstillhere1374]

Uh biochem grad with emphasis on micro here. I studies developmental Bio and Pathogenic Micro. Heavily disagree. Where the hell did you learn about the difference between haploid and diploid cells? The sperm/egg/skin cell argument is a poor argument because they are completely different cells. Also we know pregnancy, it's a natural metabolic process once conception starts. We are not "forcing" anything more than forcing a woman to breathe oxygen. It's the natural state. Most women don't know they are pregnant until weeks, and some months (there are rare cases they do not know until labor). By that time the 2 chamber prelude to the 4 chamber heart has begun and is already beating. It's a living being, I'm sorry. You cannot be scientific and be pro choice. Pro choice is the 100% emotional (im)moral argument. There is no scenario where it is not a unique, living human that will naturally develop through normal metabolism. Abortion is horrific but I agree, pragmatic. At least be honest. It's murder but convenient murder.

[@TheNiteNinja19]

Thing is though, RVW also prohibited third trimester abortions, so abolishing RVW, in states with more lenient abortion laws, actually has better access to abortion.

[@shazam6690]

That was a pro life rap lol

[@drwalka10]

HAHAHAHA it was

[@thestandardbarber1708]

In his desperation to find words that rhymed He left his argument completely undermined

[@esquebee]

Would the straw man argument regarding adoption be dismissed if the adoption restrictions be lessened? It’s expensive to go through the adoption process and very complicated, should we limit that to an extent via legislation? I know tons of folks that actually want to adopt (rather than have more kids) but cannot because they cannot afford it.

[@arcadeslum5882]

mandates others to get medical procedure to "protect others" - MY BODY MY CHOICE!

[@dredgenyor2498]

lmao this just shows that most people dont pay attention. the scotus decision was them saying they cant tell woman what they can and cant do with their body. it was in no way meant to make it illegal.

[@windyrockbell3814]

It is interesting getting to see an example of normie gamer reactions to everything that's going on with Roe overturning

[@darksky7507]

Coming from a very leftist position it is very enlightening how people on the other side of the spectrum think. But it's sad also.

[@bigbirdmusic8199]

Baby killer above me

[@Misdetection]

I wish some pro choicers could have a good conversation with a well spoken pro life advocate who's familiar with their side of the arguement that doesn't use religion. I feel it's much stronger then the one that does use religion.

[@captainuseless2120]

Agreed. Appealing to an authority that people don't recognize does precisely nothing. There are plenty of good arguments that don't require you to invoke God.

[@ravador]

@@beo3828 Give me one cold, rational, emotionless argument why shouldn't murder of homeless people be legal. You can't. Why? Because the entire point of the topic is emotional. You can't have an emotionless argument about an emotional topic. Stop being stupid.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@beo3828 For the same reason murder is illegal, because human beings have rights, and to violate someone else's for your own personal gain is an act of moral evil deemed punishable by law in every state. Abortion is the destruction of a separate human life simply because it is not convenient to the mother. Once you conceive a child through consensual sex, people should deal with the consequences of their own actions. Rape ought to be left up to the mother because that's an entirely different ball game, but only makes up .01% of abortions. Everything else is based on a mom simply not wanting to take care of a kid. If it's not ideal, that's unfortunate, but gives no justification to kill the child, whether it is 6 months old, 2 years old, or still in the womb. You don't have a right to kill, just like you don't have a right to steal, force yourself on others, defame, and otherwise harm innocent people. That's the entire basis for our legal system, but for some reason people refuse to apply it to children. See? No moralistic BS, just application of the principles that motivate existing laws.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@beo3828 And if you consider that to be emotional, then please give me a reason to ban theft or murder of an adult without any appeal to the concept of human rights.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@beo3828 It’s literally the argument that is the basis for our entire judicial system. If we can regulate literally everything else based on that logic, abortion should be no different.

[@retrobros9684]

Your body - Your choice - Your Consequences

[@x265_hevc5]

Why is the "small government", "don't tell me what to do" crowd clamoring for more govt. influence on personal choice?

[@Neffenare]

If you view children as "consequences," tell me how you're pro-life exactly?

[@joshanonline]

@@x265_hevc5 Because there is a line on murdering babies? Why do you pro-choice folk that want to save grandma suddenly don't consider babies that can survive without the mother, a human being?

[@retrobros9684]

I'm sorry to hurt any feelings. All this stems from "belief." No one can ever tell anyone your wrong if its what you believe. Even saying I believe cancels any argument- simply because you and I can't comprehend what someone else believes. Consequences of abortion is trauma for the person whether they admit it or not. They can block it out if they want but subconsciously they'll hate themselves. They'll hear crying babies in their dreams, it'll haunt them forever. Ignorance is what some thrive on. The rest belief. I can understand for others why they need to at least have the choice for themselves. My experiences with abortion and everyone involved has ALWAYS lead to regret. And yes, even having children is a consequence. It's is the result of s choice. The consequence is having a life long child or ending a life before it even opens its eyes. Good or bad consequence, all based on belief. We can't stand in others shoes and tell them how exactly to live. I can make thousands of arguments, more than you'll ever keep up with. What do you believe? I have no right nor any to say your wrong. Either side. Either way. Consequences.

[@Rh-bb1xc]

@@x265_hevc5 I love to help but this small government is currently taking my taxmoney to subsedize your degeneracy.

[@igovaldez7949]

10:18 bruh that guy on the skateboard circling around with that expression after the rap had me in stitches

[@MarieCrossbow]

Even though I might like the outcome of the laws that resulted due to it, is correct to overturn Roe vs Wade. The legal argument the SC used in the original ruling was very flimsy.

[@PuzzleBox83]

Then you believe all Legal Arguments of Body Autonomy are very flimsy. Because it is the same argument. Evidently Forced Medical Procedures are now allowed by States.

[@ManCheat2]

@@PuzzleBox83 Please read the sloppy ruling on roe vs wade. it stated dumb stuff like it was a privacy issue for some reason only during 1-2 term, but then it suddenly became a state issue after like the 3rd term.

[@thanksbutnothanks5822]

I like how the guy saying destroy capitalism is standing there in his expensive Nikes. Oh and the woman who said they passed a law without the other branches of government is just wrong. The didn't pass any law they overturned a law that actually was created without Congress and are giving states the opportunity to pass laws themselves. So I don't see how it's subverting the process or going around other branches of government. That's what happened in the first place and how we ended up here.

[@zdog058]

Roe v Wade was bad law, thats it. Most of these people haven't thought about these ideas for more than 5 seconds.

[@zdog058]

@@DarthBane-zf8wv The ruling was made using bad legal logic, which essentially created a law preventing states from determining if they wanted to outlaw abortions or not. Which I would call "law"

[@zdog058]

@@DarthBane-zf8wv you are aware that SCOTUS rulings in effect create law right? Roe v Wade restricted legislation that states could pass. Which was essentially legislation in favor of abortion. Just because we don't call judicial review a "law" doesn't mean it doesn't have the same function

[@michaelquire7940]

A lot of people who werent aborted in their mothers womb chiming on this topic here

[@lucasdarianschwendlervieir3714]

Zack, I don't really think you have thought this through, when you talk about the limited resources line of thinking. This is a version of utilitarianism, and is not at all new. It was adopted by malthusians and eugenicists. I think the fundamental problem is coming to terms with the implication of these ideas, and their implementation in practice. If someone is better off dead because of lack of resources, which will create human suffering either for themselves or for others, this necessarily implies it is morally right to kill certain people. This means taking them out and shooting them. You'd only be doing them a favor after all, if there is no resources to improve their life of misery.

[@masterhodir890]

Ah so classism gets to dictate if you should live or die, sounds lovely. Gotta be part of a certain social class before you're allowed to have children because they might "have it rough" otherwise. Eugenics at its finest here folks

[@googleandsusansucks]

Yes. Funny how most supporters of utilitarianism don't really understand it. I blame schools for this.

[@a.o.skurtt]

Yeah, but he posed it as a hypothetical to make a statement

[@cobra7282]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

[@morbidsparrow]

I think that most women are going to have a passionate response to this. It would be hard for me to separate myself from something that’s affected me so personally. I really enjoyed hearing a level headed response to this.

[@Long-Horse]

There are so many contraception's out there, abortion is not a contraception, if you like getting nailed bareback then that's good for you, buy if you get knocked up because of it then tough shit.

[@morbidsparrow]

@@Long-Horse your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m not sure why you’re replying to me in particular with this.

[@Long-Horse]

@@morbidsparrow I'm actually not sure, I think I've replied on the wrong comment, my apologies haha

[@i_want_to_be_sunshine]

​@@Long-Horse you know that contraception does not always work right?

[@Long-Horse]

@vera well you know it works a lot better than using none right?

[@Corvusstorage]

Let's look at this problem from the point of view of biology, what is homo sapiens sapiens? First of all, it is a living being with a certain number of genes and chromosomes. A human has from 46-47 chromosomes, sperm has 23 chromosomes, conclusion, sperm cannot be human. It's the same with the ovum of the uterus, it has the remaining 23 chromosomes, if we combine these two things we get a living organism. Now we draw conclusions, when a living creature has 46-47 chromosomes from the conception of homo sapiens sapiens, then he is a human. From the moment that sperm and ovum "become one thing" he is human. (I wrote the text through translation, so I don’t need to write that I made a mistake somewhere in terminology or names)

[@TheAsigmaOfNone]

I think you make a interesting argument, but I would like to challenge you; does this logic apply in the sentience of other animals? I know that we can definitively conclude that we ourselves are "sentient" because we as "homo sapiens" created that definition. We cannot outright prove or disprove the sentience of say, elephants or dolphins or any another animal known for intelligence, but we can also objectively conclude that virus or bacteria are not sentient. Elephants, dolphins and many others have eggs and sperm and come together to make a another Elephant or dolphin similarly to homo sapiens. Of course, they are not homo sapiens. Homo Sapiens are NOT somehow MORE special then those other animals, Biologically and scientifically we are not unique. The ONLY thing we can say that makes us as homo sapiens as more special is the complexity of our brain in comparison to other animals. (There is a great TED talk on this subject call "What is so special about the human brain?") Lets take another example, are HeLa cells sentient? They have the 46-47 chromosomes and are definitively homo sapiens, then are they "sentient"? I don't know the answer and I won't pretend too. I cannot prove or disprove this, at least with the currently accepted scientific knowledge of today. My .02 cents.

[@Corvusstorage]

@@TheAsigmaOfNone Well, first of all, it was not an argument, it was just a biological point of view. This is not an argument for or against abortion, I'm just pointing out the fact that human is primarily genes, like any other animal, we can't call human not human just because he hasn't grown up yet. As for sentient, why is it generally important for us to consider a person as a person according to the sentient factor, sentient is a fiction that was invented to separate us from other animals, like we are special. In my message, I'm just saying that you should at least admit that you are killing a person, according to our law, murder is prohibited, so abortion should be prohibited. Our legislation does not prohibit the killing of microbes, so it is fashionable to kill them. If your child brings you direct harm, he can be killed as it is self-defense. If you think it's acceptable to kill a person at his early stages of development for no important reason, I don't give a fuck, do what you want, but the main thing is not to break the law. I'm just trying to say that biologically this is a human and all sorts of speculations and fictions about the sentient are irrelevant. Because the definition can always be changed, but you can never change the fact that a person is always a person, even if he has not yet grown up, even if he is in its infancy. I don't give a shit if the organism is intelligent or not, the most important thing is that it belongs to my biological species,

[@anthonyfreeman2992]

It's not even federally illegal its just up to the states if they want to allow it or not